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Political Thinking with Nick Robinson

Jordan Bardella: The 30-year-old populist hoping to be France's next president

13 December 2025

47 minutes

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An exclusive interview on immigration, racism, Russia, Farage and Trump.

Jordan Bardella is the leader of National Rally in France, and currently leading the polls to become president in 2027 if his mentor, Marine Le Pen fails to overturn a conviction that bars her from running for office.

In the meantime, he is on a mission to persuade people that his party has changed since its history as the National Front, founded in the 1970s by Jean-Marie Le Pen, a convicted racist and Holocaust-denier.

Can he succeed?

In this interview, Bardella responds to Donald Trump's criticism of Europe, rejects challenges on racism and explains why he is in London to meet with Nigel Farage

Producers: Daniel Kraemer and Leela Padmanabhan

Research: Lisa Louis

Translation: Pierre-Antoine Denis

Additional translation: Merlyn Thomas, Erwan Rivault

Sound editing: Craig Kingham

Editor: Giles Edwards