Regime Change (with Natalie Haynes)

New Year, and Venezuela is under new management.

The fallout from the "extraction" of Maduro has thrown up some interesting political language. Why aren't the US calling it 'regime change'? Why is Starmer damned if he does or doesn't say anything? and is Trump the first politician to use the word 'literally' correctly?

In the extended version, we also look at Natalie's pedometer, Armando as the Elder of Taskmaster, and why a 'mild zombie apocalypse' has been described as 'encouraging'.

Sound editing: Chris Maclean

Production Coordinator: Jodie Charman and Giulia Mazzu

Executive Producer: Richard Morris

Recorded at The Sound Company

Produced by Gwyn Rhys Davies. A BBC Studios production for Radio 4.