26 July 2023

28 minutes

Available for over a year

Three different women, who lead three very different lives, but all became villains...or did they?

In this episode of Sideways, Matthew Syed explores what happens when we indulge in the darker, supposedly more "villainous" parts of ourselves. He looks at the TikTok trend for embracing your so-called villain era and what might happen when we shake off expectations and niceties.

With comedian Chelsea Birkby, musician Mala Waldron, Amanda Lovett who became part of the hit TV show Traitors, Dr Margrethe Brun Vaage, and author and executive coach Rachel Simmons.

Presenter: Matthew Syed

Producer: Leigh Meyer

Series Editor: Katherine Godfrey

Sound design and mix: Rob Speight

Theme tune by Ioana Selaru.

A Novel production for BBC Radio 4