ADDITIONAL SCENE: The Dark Poet
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At 22:47 19th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEJfJK6Pitw&feature=g-all-u&context=G2f79010FAAAAAAAAAAA
Imagery.
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At 22:49 19th Feb 2012, Weekoony wrote:Da Fuq?! She seriously creeps me out.
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At 22:50 19th Feb 2012, ott wrote:Well done there Ewan!
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At 22:50 19th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:Must say even if she doesn't appear again in series 4 It would be fun to see her in series 5
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At 22:53 19th Feb 2012, HAz152 wrote:Creepy? I like her do you think we will see her again, maybe returning with Regus. Oh and for some reason I think Michaela and Dewi would get along, don't know why.
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At 22:54 19th Feb 2012, ott wrote:In this additional scene the Newport Transporter bridge is outside, but it wasn't in Ep 3 was it? I know in RL the bridge isn't outside the cafe.
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At 23:00 19th Feb 2012, lycan666 wrote:"Theres a dead Dog in the oven!" Aren't Vampire the worst liarS? lol
Loved Tom and Hal total horror/disgust at the Nuts magazine -
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At 23:02 19th Feb 2012, RealMitchell wrote:'like a flower' with arm movements! lol.
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At 23:03 19th Feb 2012, yekim_mikey wrote:I miss Dewi. That's all I have to say on this one!
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At 23:05 19th Feb 2012, RealMitchell wrote:@yekim_mikey I miss Seth....and Herrick
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At 23:05 19th Feb 2012, Seren Fach wrote:I read a few non-spoiler reviews online about this episode before it aired, which commented on the fact that Michaela's character was played too over the top.
Unfortunately (for me) I went to school and university with *a lot* of girls (and some guys) exactly like her. Still friends with some of them now. So they got her pretty much perfect in my mind ;)
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At 23:18 19th Feb 2012, yekim_mikey wrote:10 - *sigh*
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At 23:22 19th Feb 2012, Min wrote:Ahhh I loved this episode. Laughed out loud so much with the right amount of darker stuff going on. Brilliant. Also The Real Hustle has now been replaced with what? Antiques Roadshow? If it was, then I doubt that bowl was two grand :P
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At 23:25 19th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:£1,250
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At 23:30 19th Feb 2012, Min wrote:I think you'd better get your disguised disappointment face ready...£47.50!
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At 23:41 19th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:Burt Arm? still trying to work out another translation.
Who is it Nina's ex did they burn themselves burning her or did she fight back and Burn him?
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At 23:44 19th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:Night catch up tomorrow.
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At 23:44 19th Feb 2012, a0k666 wrote:Well, Kirby (assuming that's him who just barged through some smiling old woman's door) is a 70s ghost so not Nina's ex. Maybe a Gatekeeper? Why do I get the feeling that both he and Hal will have burnt arms? (Have we seen Hal's arm?)
This proves that Kemp and Mr Roe could come back one day - though Kemp would be confused by the lineup change long enough for Tom to bash him.
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At 00:00 20th Feb 2012, a0k666 wrote:I wonder why Michaela's hair stuck up like that? And why they left the knife in the bannister? Loved the little electricity crackles as she tried to get her eyes working. And I think Hal broke the record for longest vampire snarl!
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At 00:57 20th Feb 2012, zoe wrote:I'm not sure if anyone will agree with me, though it doesn't matter if they don't, but I think this was the funniest episode yet, especially because of the Tom & Hal scenes. Plus, I really loved Annie's character branching out- she really makes a wonderful motherly figure. One of my favourite episodes, if not the favourite. I look forward to the rest of the series. Well done to all.
I just hope strong competition from the other channels hasn't affected it's outreach. A very over saturated night of brilliant television. Sunday night is the place to be.
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At 01:12 20th Feb 2012, Dr Spoons wrote:Found link to chinese symbols that almost exactly matches the symbols on the wall of the 'recorder'
https://www.ancientscripts.com/chinese.html
No mention of 'past tense' or 'arm' or 'fire' that I've seen yet, tho...
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At 04:35 20th Feb 2012, SunnyFLA wrote:Thoroughly enjoying Tom and Hal and the relationship that's developing. Great humor and delivery of lines - MS gets better each week, and DM is amazing.
Fergus, ah well. You were very bad while you were here. Wonder if he still pointed at planes? Perhaps not, but all the same, he did seem to gurgle a bit at the end....and yes, what does his unexpected departure do for Cutler?
Liked Regus, Michaela was - well, lets just say, they suit each other.
Annie: hmmmm. Did she make the knife fly out of the vampire's hand and into the wall? Or was it Hal? Another trick of an Old One? Seemed like
Annie didn't quite know.....Hmmmmmm.....
A final note - Hal: Funny, smart, 21st century naive, adaptable, and Terrifying - all at the same time. Turning into an amazing character and incredible portrayal. Very much looking forward to seeing just who Lord Hal is, what is his history, and which side he'll be on when the rest of the OOs arrive....will be Greet them, or fight them? nice Freudian slip....
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At 06:18 20th Feb 2012, Fleem wrote:Hi, blog. What a great episode! I wanted to stand up and cheer for Lenora. Great, funny, knowing. She was so cool. Yay! And wow, Damien & Michael, you really brought the bromance back. Everyone else too, there was so much fun and spark. Thanks to Jamie Mathieson for the wonderful, layered, hilarious script, sweet nods to continuity (byebye, Real Hustle, *sob*), and OMG, Regus, Annie and whatshisface in the tent! Freaking genius. It never let up. Kisses to all of you.
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At 08:08 20th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:When Kirby walks out through the Door look at the TV screen and you will see it's someone pointing a lamp at the camera.
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At 08:15 20th Feb 2012, sasha wrote:Good Morning Bloggers! Good Morning Mods! How good was that then? Fantastic! I think it's Kirby coming through the door and I don't think he will be a nice ghost. As I said, I think he'll be our nasty ghost. I think Mr Gatiss will be Mr Snow - head honcho of the OOs.
What happened to getting some Chinese food and sitting next to your recruit until they turned, then. Michaela didn't hang about, did she?
Excellent episode all round I'd say and a huge thumbs up for our *new trio*!
And now begins the long wait until next Sunday at 9pm! I will, of course, have a re-watch or two before then. In fact, might have one now (just to check for the lamp pointing person, you understand Ewan) :-)
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At 08:18 20th Feb 2012, BigBadDog wrote:Good morning Bloggers, Good morning Rebecca!
I thought last nights episode was great! Plenty of laughs, just enough suspense and action and a nod to our friends (gone but not forgotten).
Oh and that sneering little twerp Fergus was swiftly dealt with, by Lord Hal.
Now that we have two Lords to deal with, Lord Hal and the original and best Lord Toby, perhaps it's time to promote LT to Sir Toby!
And then we have Kirby, who seems too slippery to be true. Just as Tom and Hal are starting to get along it looks like he's thrown a spanner in the works.
Surely Nina wouldn't inflict him upon Annie? We'll need to wait and see his real intentions.
Oh and one last thought, the door the Woman from the future uses is the door to HH. I already thought it was but last night confirmed it for me. The letterbox is in the same place and looking back at eps 1&2, there's a sticker on the door which is there when Tom sneaks in on ep 2. The same sticker is there on the bottom left of future womans door.
Which can mean only one thing: The future Woman is Eve!!!!
Dun, dun, duhhhhh......
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At 08:24 20th Feb 2012, BigBadDog wrote:25. Hi sasha, btw Mark Gatiss is Mr Snow.
He's credited as such on his agents web page. I found it last night when i typed 'Mr Snow, Being Human' into google!
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At 08:34 20th Feb 2012, sasha wrote:27 - Morning BBD! Sterling job, sir! You're a spy, aren't you? :-)
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At 08:35 20th Feb 2012, vampsrule wrote:Good morning,
22- not to mention hot, did everyone not notice our lovely Lord Hal 'shirtless' at the start in one of his past memories, now all we need is to see our lovely Tom shirtless!
24- never noticed that, im just about to watch the episode again so i'll look out...
I really loved this episode, it was funny and brilliant and the scenes with Tom and Hal were hilarious, especially when they showed off their best pick up lines and when they were both discusted by the magazine and Hal had to use his glove to pick it up. I was alittle worried about Annie because she's really struggling with the loss of Nina, George and Mitchell but I think she's ok now because she's got her boys.
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At 08:38 20th Feb 2012, sasha wrote:29 - Get the DVD of S3 if you don't already have it, vampsrule. Tom is there in the deleted scenes. I think it's become known as *Tom's Shower Scene* and he's more than shirtless. Phwooaaar! :-)
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At 09:08 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:Antique Roadshow
A wonderful show and fully stamped and approved by me.
Lord Hal or is it Lord Harry.
1855 scene: we knew the fangs would be bared at one point; yet the most frightening part was before HAL's eyes turned black. It was the once over he gave to that poor housemaid, like he was looking for something that was not there and having verified that:non, decidedly this is not what I am looking for...I'll go for second best>>> feeeding time.
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At 09:11 20th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:31 - Either or
some like Hal some Harry
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At 10:00 20th Feb 2012, C Billington wrote:Why is Laura Patch playing Lily Loveless playing Michaela Thompson?
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At 10:16 20th Feb 2012, Leanneloveschoc wrote:ewan you mentioned someone called jacob in the last blog. do you think it could be cutler? jacob cutler. at the end of last nights episode we saw eve poorly and her having no medical record. the next episode might clear up any questions that people have regarding her birth registration etc. i need Annies kiwi and strawberry tea! love this lord Harry story btw.
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At 10:20 20th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:Jacob in the opener was mentioned by Fergus along with other Old Ones So could be an old one.
Who might be annoyed at Regis's T-Shirt.
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At 10:25 20th Feb 2012, yekim_mikey wrote:Mornin' all!
I assume the blonde Regus is saving in his comic is Michaela!
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At 10:38 20th Feb 2012, oleta wrote:Bigbad dog @26, perhaps Lord hal should be the one knighted...cos he had a horse and a sword and a shield, a red one! That scene definitely set me giggling. I am so impressed with MS and DM, I love how direct and just honest Tom is and it's the perfect foil for all of Hal's tightly buttoned secrets and complicated backstory. And can someone tell me how DM can play Hal as vulnerable, dangerous, irritating yet strangely sweet, all at the same time, and believably too. My one fear about DM is that he's too good and if we're not careful we could lose our vamp again!
Oh and sorry I missed some of the blog for ep 1 and my steam age Sky+ box ate the episode, but did Fergus or the chief inspector say something to Cutler like; 'they won't care who your dad was'? And if that was said and I didn't completely imagine it, does anyone want to speculate on who or what Cutler's dad might be? Forgive me if it's already been discussed at length. I'm a bit slow on the blogging etiquette.
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At 11:10 20th Feb 2012, sasha wrote:37 - Hello oletaolyta. I don't think we have discussed Cutler's dad - if we have I've missed it too. Griffin said to Cutler 'I don't care who you are or who your maker was - he's gone now'.
So Herrick, Mitchell, Ivan or Wyndham? Mmm.... need to think about that one...twirls moustache (doing a lot of that lately). It's a knotty one!
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At 11:26 20th Feb 2012, aquamarine_jo wrote:Morning all!
Loved last nights episode – just wish I wasn’t at work and was watching it again :-(
Anyway...
Cutler’s dad is an interesting one – Hetty has form for creating baddies. Although maybe it’s Hal? That could be fun! We don’t know how old he is yet – or do we? (did I miss it?)
I missed Cutler this week – I needed a dose of his special brand of sarcasm to get me through the week! He’d better be back next week...
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At 11:32 20th Feb 2012, timeandtide wrote:Well, absolutely loved last night's episode, will need to do a re-watch. Really liked the glimpse of Regus' house (reminded me of so many people I met in house shares!) The characters are all so beautifully drawn and Regus' collection of t-shirts cracked me up (Team Edward!). And of course, Hal.
Are we still expecting to meet Cutler's wife (or have I made it up that there will be a new female character with Cutler as a surname???)?
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At 11:34 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:@aqua
we know Hal was made after the battle of Orsha which was fought in 1514
Hettie is younger- she says her age in the Ivan and Daisy prequel
and she is younger than Hal by some 20-30years
could have been made by Hal though
Hal is Henry Tudor 7th, Hettie is Queen Bess
Jacob Cutler, name has an old ring to it
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At 11:38 20th Feb 2012, Leanneloveschoc wrote:40. that would be really good to have a female vamp. have they done that yet? i dont mean lauren, i mean a really tough strong kick bottom one. im not a fangbanger but my t shirt would say team Eric!
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At 11:40 20th Feb 2012, KT wrote:Does Hal remind anyone else a bit of Mr Darcy?
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At 11:45 20th Feb 2012, ott wrote:Last night's ep was brilliant. The hoover did it for me!
40 Yes- we know there's a character called Rachel Cutler and she's a similar age to look at to Cutler. But we don't know if or how they're related
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At 11:47 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:@time and tide
the female character is reported as ths sister , not the wife
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At 11:59 20th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:I'm just going to say it the last two lines of The King of Death.
Just going to say...........
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At 12:31 20th Feb 2012, ott wrote:Bigbad - good point about the woman's door. Seems like it is Eve then.
Did someone mention the knife in the bar? I think it will stay there and come in handy another day. Like when M dropped the knife in the attic and H picked it up and bided his time...
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At 12:33 20th Feb 2012, sasha wrote:Re Cutler's maker. Griffin definitely says 'he's gone now' so I don't think it'll be Hetty. But Hal - now that would be interesting. I think it's more likely to be Wyndham - an OO who has recently *gone*. Cutler could be his heir and then bring him back for S5?
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At 12:40 20th Feb 2012, ott wrote:Hi Sasha - I'm inclined to think it's Wyndham. I think Cutler is relatively new vamp who is tolerated because of his maker. But he does seem a modern boy with his focus groups and social networking. So, tho' it could be Hal - perhaps the last person he turned? - I tend to think it's Wyndham. The story would be great if it were Hal though, and might explain some of Cutler's attitude. If it's Wyndham, Cutler was orphaned but if it's Hal, he was abandoned.
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At 12:58 20th Feb 2012, Saffz wrote:"Were both quite dark in our own little ways"
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At 13:01 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:@sea
Bearing in mind Hal has been dry these past 55ys
Cutler has had 55years to get over 'being abandoned'
but the modern attitude
now it makes sense
and as for Jacob, name does not fit in for 1945 and the Nazi insign given to the miniature circus
but can imagine Hal in Russia 1917
cinema, cars, planes it is thrilling imaginative times 1917 - not Stalinism naturally Picasso etc jazz
life was exciting
so can imagine a 'modern' thinking vamp issued from a time wheer being modern wa sthe right thing
a lot more modern than Fergus pipe smoking
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At 13:06 20th Feb 2012, Gingernut wrote:I've had no internet or TV since Thursday (Virgin Media) but was fortunately reconnected this morning (someone had vandalised the cable box - grrrr).
Anyway I've just watched last night's episode on iPlayer - how fab was that?!!! Off to watch it again now!
BTW iPlayer keeps cutting the end off programmes, so I didn't see all of the trailer for next week - I'll have a hunt on YT for it.
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At 13:29 20th Feb 2012, Leanneloveschoc wrote:regarding saints comment @41 about hal being Henry tudor i dont know if you were joking but he could be. he was around tudor time and he mentioned he had a red shield . could he mean the tudor rose? cos that was red. im prob way off! oh and you were right saint- the blue things were gloves (hats off sir)
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At 13:32 20th Feb 2012, Leanneloveschoc wrote:p.s dont think he is henry tudor now..... its a bit much.
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At 13:39 20th Feb 2012, Thelonia wrote:Hello
I´m new to the Blog, but I have been a silent reader for a while now.
I think it is interesting how often Hal is connected with eastern Europe. In the Prequel he said he fought in the battle of Orsha. In the flashback we are in the year 1855 and Fergus said, the war have messed things up. We´ve also learned from him, that they are on leave. So it might be possible, that he and Hal are soldiers who fought in the crimean war.
Hal also says that peasants have been flayed for looking funny at him. That reminded me on serfdom, which existed in Eastern Europe and Central Europe till the 19th century, while it ended in England in 1574.
So he might have lived in Eastern Europe for a long time.
I also asked myself, why he is called Lord? Does it refer to his role with the old ones. Mitchell has never called Ivan Lord although he was an old one. Or does it refer only to the relation between Fergus and Hal, because Fergus is the only one calling Hal Lord. Or does it refer to a position Hal held in the human world? Vampires can be police officers, so it might be possible that they were Lords in earlier centuries. May be in Eastern Europe?
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At 13:39 20th Feb 2012, sasha wrote:49 - Hi Sea. I agree with you - Hal is too *modern* I think he's relatively *new* so it'll be either Wynham or Mitchell. Herrick was about out there as far as the OOs were concerned, wasn't he? Mitchell was the poster boy and Wyndham was an OO. So my cupcakes would go on Mitchell or Wyndham.
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At 13:58 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:Hal and the Tudors
Aside of being born in a brothel where 6 ladies of scantily clad virtue lived- yes Mods, I am being good, 6 ladies, Henry VIII had six wives and hal is called Henry
but since Henry Bolingbroke, the name has been quite fashionable. But I draw the line at becoming Lord Hal as in human. The era was fraught with casts. Not knowing who your mother was , was bad. Not knowing who your father was, was worse. One of my ancestors in the ealy 18th had only his father mentioned. Whilst doing the family tree some 200ys later, his direct descendant learnt that it meant our female ancestress was bound either to have been a maid as 'unmarried' or worse, 'married to someone else'. A boy could make do if Dad was there. Dad was a lot less likely to be there if it was a girl. My ancestor was a boy...
Hettie is it Henrietta, Harriet and Esther
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At 14:04 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:@sasha
if it is Mitchell it is still before 1955... so between 1917 and 1955.
Eastern Europe history is very complicated and add to the fact the Ottoman Empire was a player. well, I suppose if you killed a few Janissaries , you might be given an equirry then climg up socially while having removed more Turks along the way or Tatars or Turcomans. Ivan Grozny was not exactly very 'nice' but he certainly unified Russia... If we have to give Hal a back history, we must not forget the absence of mirrors.
Transylvania in the 16th, 17th century must not have been loaded with mirrors.
Then the war? which war 1812? 1855 and the Charge of the light brigade might have allowed Hal and Fergus to resume contact with the Western chapters?
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At 14:08 20th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:Lord Hal - could be a reference to who he was, trying to distance himself from his past he might put on airs as if to hide from his lowly origins.
The fact when he 'dies' he is so far away from that small brothel of his birth. He is who he made himself after all he is dying at the time due to a lance and being treated by a surgeon and not left to die on the battle field might suggest that he had a place of importance.
He made himself a Lord, as Herrick made himself more than a Clerk. Now the adult vampires with shorter names Edgar, Ivan, Jacob etc. Could have come from a high place in the world before their recruitment.
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At 14:09 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:@leanneloveschoc
My poorly turned sentence meant that HENRY, as first name was very tudorish. Hal died in 1514 , was 25? hence born in 1489.
Hettie a bit younger born under a Tudor Queen or King with a similar cognomen. Henrietta.
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At 14:11 20th Feb 2012, billybunter wrote:Am i wrong in assuming that Hals full name is (Lord) Harry Snow ?
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At 14:16 20th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:Mr Snow is the Old One on the ship.
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At 14:24 20th Feb 2012, Min wrote:Off topic but I'm just about to dash off to work and I had a thought about Future Woman.
Remember the poster? WE ARE HUMAN. I'm even more convinced that they are about a future alliance between humans and werewolves (and maybe ghosts, who knows). When she dies the guy who killed her could see her. So either she's a very clever ghost from the get go, or he's a supernatural?
This is the very thing that Cutler is working towards destroying any possibility of happening...he wants to show werewolves as the "something worse".
*disappears to make money*
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At 14:30 20th Feb 2012, Leanneloveschoc wrote:saint what would we do without you! you know your stuff. thanks x
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At 14:31 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:@ewan
if you care to look, about all the first name sof the six century are simply way complicated to write and pronounced regardless of one's social background... Though I must say all the names we have are the ones of the elite
I shall add that we- as in my country- have more archives the dark ages seemingly more dusky than dark and even the salves and low born had very fancy names
Do not rule out vampires altering their names to fit the times
aethelbehrt may be known in 2012 as 'Al' because it evolved into Albert. Plus so far, we have only met 'WASP' vampires as leading roles. The Pilot Herrick had more international flavour.
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At 14:32 20th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:I was referring to why he was "Lord" Hal not why he was called Hal.
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At 14:36 20th Feb 2012, Fleem wrote:63 - There was never any doubt in my mind that the person who kills future woman is a werewolf.
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At 14:36 20th Feb 2012, billybunter wrote:@Ewan
Then who is Jacob,i`m confused
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At 14:39 20th Feb 2012, Susan wrote:Morning all, looks like the weekend was busy..just stopping by before I go to work..haven't seen the espisode yet, so I'll catch up later..
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At 14:39 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:@min
it would appear that the man who killed Future Eve is a werewolf , he has scratches I have been told and met her at a 'werewolf recruitment event'
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At 14:40 20th Feb 2012, rubyrosettared wrote:Henry has been a name used in British royalty since way before Henry Tudor. Henry I was the son of William the Conqueror. His son was the husband of Eleanor of Aquitaine so it goes back to the 11th, 12th Century.
Harry/Hal is a family name of the Percy family (Earls and Dukes of Northumberland), the most famous being Harry Hotspur and his father was known as Hal. Through them Henry Bolingbroke became Henry IV over Richard II (who was overthrown) so a common name.
Ewan: i could buy the theory that the 'Lord' moniker is kind of a thumbed nose to his less than humble origins, as he wouldn't have the title outright unless he was of noble blood or married noble blood (thinking outloud here)
I had the thought about Cutler being Jacob Cutler...would be quite interesting given we know nothing about him apart from his surname and that he's annoying and curious about werewolves. If that were indeed the case, perhaps the only vampire who could identify him as such would be Hal himself given the rest are dead or elsewhere.
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At 14:40 20th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:In the 1855 opening Fergus refers to the Old Ones who are scared of Hal. Ivan, Wyndmn Jacob even Hettie Not Mr Snow though.
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At 14:44 20th Feb 2012, rubyrosettared wrote:61. I don't think so, as Ewan has mentioned, the 'Mr Snow' is the Old One on his way on the ship. Don't know Hal's surname just yet.
Another thought as to how Hal could've become 'Lord' and that is to be adopted by a member of the nobility either legally or informally or he just lied about his beginnings in life and only ever told Leo the truth.
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At 14:50 20th Feb 2012, oleta wrote:Not sure I buy into the Hal as Henry Tudor, but it's an interesting thought. Another tangent would come from the fact that it was the custom then to name your illegitimate sons after your legitimate ones. I suppose if we really stretched the story, we could imagine he was an illegitimate Tudor son fathered on the (how should I say this) concubines and later claimed by his father? But it is a bit of a reach. Plus I have to say I don't really like it when vamps turn out to be famous people from the past, I prefer it when they're famous within the story's own mythology. And Hal was a fairly common abbreviation of Henry or Harry at that time. In fact in 'Henry V', Henry is referred to as Hal, Henry and Harry.
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At 14:56 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:@ewan
Lord Hal? You have to remember that it was not given to everybody to own a shield
In the dark ages, warriors would carry shields; certainly legionnaries had shields, but later on when the army recruitment stopped being 'uniformized', shields became personal, like an escutcheon and family badge. Only an equerry and above could have a shield.. plus the cost of a shield. I quote.
"...it is difficult to translate historical monetary value into modern terms. It is clear, however, that the value of armor ranged from low-quality or outdated second-hand items quite affordable to citizens and mercenaries, to the cost of an entire armory of an English knight, the contents of which were valued in 1374 at over £16. This was equivalent to about five to eight years of rent for a London merchant's house, or over three years' worth of wages for a skilled laborer, a single helmet (a bascinet, probably with eventail) being worth the purchase price of a cow.
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At 15:04 20th Feb 2012, rubyrosettared wrote:There was a story of Henry VIII's illegitimate son the Duke of Richmond being a vampire and yes, he was a Henry (and the story itself was expanded upon and used as 'fact' for the TV show 'Blood Ties' with Kyle Schmid), he married the Duke of Norfolk's daughter i seem to remember reading somewhere but he died in i think mysterious circumstances and that was how the vampirism rumour began (i can't remember off the top of my head....i'd have to look it up and i don't have time right now)
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At 15:10 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:@ruby
yes, yes
Henry Beauclerc, thanks .
regarding being called Lord Hal or Lord Harry, somewhere in that memory of mine lurks the notion that calling yourself by a tirle when you had none could end you to a quick meeting with Tyburn tree?
Being adopted and being a child of illegitimate origin could only end up with you missing the requisite quarters of nobility
and having aristocratic family up to both sides of your great grandparents was a pass or fail in these days
I can imagine Hal getting some advancement during wars and being mercenary like well all those condottieri who raised from being illegitimate sons to being dukes etc
Lord Hal may indeed be Lord Hal , yet not in Britain...
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At 15:10 20th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:Further news on that Kyle Schmid is now in the US BEING HUMAN as a vampire called Henry.
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At 15:15 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_FitzRoy,_1st_Duke_of_Richmond_and_Somerset
@RUBY
found the mystery resolved...
Richmond's death was deemed mysterious - for the time and poison, TB, some type of hantavirus - la suette, the sweating disease were discussed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweating_sickness
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At 15:15 20th Feb 2012, timeandtide wrote:Hello! I think Henry/Harry/Hal was a very popular name (the name of the king was always a popular choice for boys during their reign). I did some family history research a while ago and the family tree is literally full of William and George (Georgian/regency/William IV) period.
I suppose Hal could have acquired the title of 'Lord' through nefarious means (I'm thinking here along the lines of dining on a 'real' lord and then taking possession of the title, lands, etc (a bit like in the original version of Puss in boots!).
Thanks for the info on Rachel Cutler, didn't realise that she was Cutler's sister. Definitely looking forward to more Cutler and his sarcasm. A little pop culture reference, in the first episode when Cutler asked if they had enough crossbows and catapults, this is actually the name of a boardgame...
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At 15:20 20th Feb 2012, oleta wrote:@ewan78: oh god tell me it isn't some hackneyed crossover episodes from Blood Ties. Urghhh. :o(
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At 15:34 20th Feb 2012, ewan wrote:just the name
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At 15:59 20th Feb 2012, oleta wrote:Phew.
The more I think about the Lord thing, the more I think it might just be a Vampire heirarchy thing, in some of the articles Mr Snow has been called the 'Vampire King'. They might have their own aristocracy, purer bloodlines in terms of who is turned by whom. Perhaps. Maybe. I think I need sleep now. Just worked the graveyard shift myself.
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At 16:43 20th Feb 2012, BigBadDog wrote:83. Yip
Mark Gatiss = Mr Snow = King of the Vampires
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At 16:44 20th Feb 2012, sasha wrote:Hal's speech in the cafe when he's getting the money thrown at him -
'I used to ride a horse once, I had a sword. I was respected, better than that I was feared. Peasants had their backs flayed for looking at me funny. It was brutal but it worked. We had order, we had respect.......'
I think he was a man of wealth at some point - he also made reference to the number of servantsa house should have - depending on it's size. Of course, that does't mean his wealth was obtained, shall we say, legally.
Anyone else having problems posting - not displaying comments all afternoon?
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At 16:46 20th Feb 2012, BigBadDog wrote:85 @ sasha
Yeah, blog has been playing funny buggers with me too!
Think it's all better now though.
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At 16:46 20th Feb 2012, lozzie_lo wrote:Sasha, yeah ive had problems posting. When i logged in it wouldn't let me see the comments people had posted. Ive only just been able to post
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At 16:49 20th Feb 2012, YummyMum wrote:Hello all!
Have now seen E3 and I liked most of it. Annie is good doing something other than trying to get a laugh from the audience. She still was funny when needed but she had a real purpose.
I did love Regus with her in the tent. Dirty old man got what he rightly deserved. Was surprised that Annie's first time was in the woods though....
She was good with Fergus and loved her making her second kill with such precision after she disarmed the vampire. That's the Annie I like. Multi-dimensions are much more entertaining. Anything else makes her well...Michela.
I really really really really didn't like her AT ALL. Not one thing about her appealed to me. I did like the bit about her dying. That was short lived as she apparently lives on forever... Just my opinion which I am happy to own by myself. Not trying to recruit anyone to dislike her.
I do like Hal. I loved him telling Tom to kill him as he was staring at the grill. I can imagine having the very same reaction and being just as OCD about sanitation. Tom asking if he was counting the rubbish was a really good line too. So many things I found funny in last night's episode... None of them were Michela.
The hoovering made me sad. I hate to think that Mitchell was just hoovered up like that. so unceremoniously. I like to think they got a new bag just for his ashes, and it's in a nicely sewn satchel with his initials on it...
It is good that Hal and Tom found their own show to watch. I figured Tom to be a fan of some sort of sport though.
All in all I would say a good episode for me.
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At 16:52 20th Feb 2012, Leanneloveschoc wrote:i cant post either. i think hal could be a member of the house of lords or something like that within the vampire community a long time ago. mabe he is a judge, they get called my lord.
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At 16:56 20th Feb 2012, BigBadDog wrote:86 @ Myself
Correction, the blog isn't all better now.
The dreaded green box is back!
I'm sure Rebecca is all over it, i have faith that order will be restored in due course.
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At 16:56 20th Feb 2012, Leanneloveschoc wrote:just burnt my onions running in and out of the rooms trying to blog! i ment that if he was some sort of judge in a house of parliment set up he could make decisions and decide punishments for other vampires.
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At 16:57 20th Feb 2012, lozzie_lo wrote:Hi bloggers
How are we today?
Loved the ep last night, it was brilliant! I was in stitches all the way through the ep, especially with Hals speech which ended in 'i had a shield...a red one' and the seen with Annie and Regus in the tent. DM and MS bromance is just brilliant!
THERE WAS ANOTHER SUPERMAN REFERENCE IN THE EP! It cant be a coinsidence, theres been superman references in all 3 eps of this series.
Loving the conversation about our Lord Harry. I think that the Vampire 'royal family' (OO) so Mr Snow is our 'King Vampire'. Hal could be a Lord, like in our royal family there Lords and Ladies, maybe Mr Snow anoints OOs as Lords
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At 17:03 20th Feb 2012, lozzie_lo wrote:Also loved seeing a topless Hal, Damien had tweeted just before the show saying that he was showing a bit of flesh and that he regreted all the 'early morning fry ups' hahaha. I dont think that he needed to worry about that. The only criticism I have about that scene was that DM moustache was slightly wonky on the right side. Apart from that I loved it! I hope to see more of 'evil' Hal
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At 17:11 20th Feb 2012, Leanneloveschoc wrote:93. lozzie im with you on that one! he was lovely. eapecially as we didnt have to wait long for it. but lets not mention it this time, look what happened last blog- it was toplesshalgate! (is that one word or not?) :0
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At 17:11 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:reviews
https://www.denofgeek.com/television/1251918/being_human_series_4_episode_3_review_the_graveyard_shift.html
https://www.cultbox.co.uk/reviews/episodes/3034-being-human-series-4-episode-3-review
questions regarding vampires once staked
I do not remember ashes being properly shown before last night
do good vampires- the ones who begged to be staked- get into puff and smoke
do bad vamps - the ones who do not ask get into old ash and dust like
Lauren has no ash to speak of!
I do not remember Cara turned into ash?
worse are Vampires deprived of AFterLife
as the original vampires sold their soul to the devil
do vampires skip Purgatory and go directly to... Hell- well heaven and vamps are seldom connected
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At 17:13 20th Feb 2012, Thelonia wrote:@Saint
I agree with you. The most probable possibility for Hal gaining a title is by achievements in war. It must be much easier, when you actually can´t die. Another opportunity might be that there was already a noble vampire who helped other vampires gaining titles.
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At 17:15 20th Feb 2012, ShoePigeon wrote:listening to Mistress Denton on the Being Human Cast :)
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At 17:17 20th Feb 2012, Holly_207 wrote:Hello all, hope you all enjoyed the episode (I know I did!)
I think the title lord Hal could be referring to a position he had in the OOs so perhaps he had more power than some of the other OOs which could explain why some of them were scared of him. Mr Snow could also hold a position of high power hence he was not scared of him. Just a thought and probably way off as usual.
Loved the episode last night. Tom made me laugh so much trying to chat up Michaela and I'm really starting to love Hal. Next Sunday can't come quick enough!
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At 17:31 20th Feb 2012, ShoePigeon wrote:I don't think that the title 'Lord Hal' was something that he had when he was alive because he said in his prequel that he was born in a brothel which would not give him very much social standing. I think it is a title that he has earned since he was recruited, perhaps something he demanded of the others, he did seem to like the attention when he was talking about his horse and sword and shield.
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At 17:32 20th Feb 2012, SAINTIXE56 wrote:********SPOILERS***********************************************
https://cultfix.co.uk/being-human-a-spectre-calls-details-16430.htm
flaying peasants?
Marcantonio Bragadin, last Venetian governor of Cyprus, was flayed alive after the Conquest of Famagusta by the Turks. After Lepanto battle. 1571.
Krokodeilos Kladas, a military leader flayed by the Turks. In medieval Turkey, convicted pirates were slowly tortured to death by being flayed alive. In 1404 or 1417, the Hurufi Imad ud-Din Nesîmî, an Islamic poet of Turkic extraction, was flayed alive, apparently on orders of a Timurid governor, and for heresy. The Polish Jesuit Saint Andrew Bobola was burned, half strangled, partly flayed alive and killed by a sabre stroke by Eastern Orthodox Cossacks
which could possibly indicate a long sejourn in the balkans...
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