A BNP ruse on the Barking campaign trail

I think the BBC should keep its opinions to itself especially during an election.

I couldn't believe I was reading such a biased report on the BBC,although I suppose that just shows how naive I am.The BBC is extremely biased on anything to do with race,immigraton,Nationalism.
Is there some law that candidates can't campaign in other parts of the country?Perhaps you should tell Brown,Cameron etc as they will be criss crossing the country.The guy in the cammo gear used to be in the Army,I think that entitles him to wear it.More importantly,it makes clear the BNP support the troops,but want to bring them home alive,and not dead or maimed.The Lib-Lab-Con all want our troops to stay in Afghanistan,which is far more offensive than a bloke in Army uniform.

Anyone who wishes to accuse the BBC of bias might want to read the post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/04/what_would_be_your_manifesto.html?page=4 at post 1649

where a line has been crossed: yes, a BNP member really did make the comment: "If Hitler where alive today, he would get my vote".

This goes beyond being a Nazi sypathiser: this is being a Nazi and all that that entails. BNP members post here in an attempt to appear mainstream, but posts like this show they are anything except mainstream.

@ Phosgene

I know the anti-BNP people and the MSM go into hysterical overdrive in an approaching election and hype, or completely fabricate, stories about that particular party, but you've scrapped through the barrel and into the dirt when you start linking to what a supposed "member of the BNP" has said online.

Those comments could be by ANYONE, and were more than likely made by a anti-BNP provocateur wanting to smear the party.

The complexion of this blog matches the complexion of its blogger.

Noonday, please click on this blogger's name. It's clear that he is
* a BNP member: he says so himself
* a BNP member: he says so himself and he has a history of posting nakedly party-political postings on HYS
* prone to making comments that do not follow the BNP line on how-to-appear-mainstream
* prone to making comments that get complained about and removed

Frankly, you accusing me of scraping anything is laughable.

His comment "If Hitler where alive today, he would get my vote" IS scraping the bottom of the barrel. If anything needed commenting upon, it is his statement.

Why would I need to invent anything when a senior BNP member has recently been bailed for threats to murder the party leader and the BNP is under investigation for financial irregularities going back to 2008?

Phosgene wrote "Noonday, please click on this blogger's name. It's clear that he is a BNP member: he says so himself."

Well of course he says he is, that's the whole point of cyber sockpuppetry, pretending to be someone online to smear them.

As for Barling's piece, compared to the BBC's past reporting on the BNP (Toynbee, etc) I thought it was pretty objective and a fair criticism.

If any other party had pulled a silly gimmick like that the BBC would have pounced on them also, and their policies aside, if the BNP want to be taken seriously as a political party, they need to tone down the hyperbole and start behaving like one - like the quasi ethno-Celtic nationalist parties, for instance.

There was a time when Labour, LibDem and Conservative Party members would never give more than a shrug to the BNP – far less see it as their job to ensure votes don't elect Nick Griffin, BNP.
I look at the picture (in your BBC article) and I cannot help but see something that reminds me very much of Hitler and the Brown Shirts.
Perhaps, this is the effect that both Nick Griffin and Adam Walker wanted to convey.
Should PPCs be joining in other people's campaigns dressed in battle fatigues?
Why not? Is it not better that the MoD remains uninvolved, rather than blowing this situation out of all proportion?
Barking is a working class constituency. Is this not the type of constituency to which Nazism first made its appeal in Germany?
What it is about the BNP that makes them think it is acceptable to hoodwink potential voters by dressing up in army attire?
Is the hoodwinking about army attire, support of the military, or a subliminal connection with Hitler and the Brown Shirts?

NoonDay100, while you might not be a BNP cyberwarrior yourself, I am sure you can see that unbiased observers might think that you are.

NoonDay100, would you like us to believe that someone posting BNP-prop on this site for *years* is, in reality, a plant to smear the BNP?

NoonDay100, would you like to condemn the sentiment "If Hitler where alive today, he would get my vote" which was expressed in https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/04/what_would_be_your_manifesto.html?page=4 at post 1649? It looks like you would like to avoid the issue and make the BNP look like a normal party and not a hate politics outfit.

It is very sad that the only party talking about getting our troops out of Afganistan and Iraq is the BNP. If there was a referendum on the issue what would be the outcome be - leave them there or get them out? The fact is there is a large muslim community in the UK and this is provoking them, all the London suicide bombers were born in this country and grew up here. When the Russians went into Afganistan it was described as their "Vietnam" and they were stupid to get involved because these people had constantly been at war for hundreds of years, and simply did not care.The invasion of Iraq was based on "Weapons of Mass Destruction" lies. The money that is being wasted should be spent on life not death

"If there was a referendum on the issue what would be the outcome be" is why there will never be any referendum.

If we had had a referendum in 1939, the chances are we would be speaking German now.

Some people (see post 6) would be very happy with this, but most of us owe our whole way of life to the decision to draw a line in the sand and defend it.

To compare this situation with 1939 is Nonsense "but most of us owe our whole way of life to the decision to draw a line in the sand and defend it"? The outcome of the 2nd World War in europe was decided in the Soviet Union. Thats where the Nazi war machine was broken at the Battle
of Kirsk.

The chances are we may be speaking urdu here in the future, but it will not be down to Iraqis or Afgans invading us.Our whole way of life? You may not have noticed but our society has become rather "fragmented"

What has 1939 got to do with being "Uncle Sams Poodle"? And for the record Hitler declared War on the USA - a lot of Americans would have been happy to stay out of the european war and concentrate their efforts against Japan. And they way they treated us at the end of the war shows just what friends they are.

JTW, it's not nonsense. Britain was the Western Front and held off Nazi invasion: you'll know that if you like levels of detail like the battle of Kirsk.

The chances of us speaking Urdu are unlikely: Urdu-speakers and their children learn English. When you say "fragmented" with quotes what do you mean?

I ask because it sounds like it might be the dog whistle politics of skin colour.

IT IS NONSENSE The Britain of 1939 or 1945 was completely different from the Britain of 2010 it is now multi-racial and multi-cultural. The problem is different cultures have different values.So you have a fragmented society. Groups of different people wanting different things. A television newsreader was recently in trouble for wearing a crucifix on a chain around her neck,because it may offend muslims. Would that of happened in 1946? Do not compare Kirsk with anything that happened in Western Europe, it was the largest Tank battle of all time. Stalingrad, The Siege of Leningrad etc it was in these battles that the Nazis lost all their troops and tanks.After Kirsk they were on the retreat."Held off the Nazi Invasion"? Hitler was not interested in invading Britain he wanted to attack the Soviet Union. Thats why Rudolf Hess came over, and why the Russians insisted that he spent the rest of his life in captivity. If people like you had your way in the 1960s we would have had troops in Vietnam.

Country Military Civilian Total

Soviet Union* 8,668,000 16,900,000 25,568,000

Germany 3,250,000 3,810,000 7,060,000

Great Britain 326,000 62,000 388,000

USA 295,000 295,000

https://www.secondworldwar.co.uk/casualty.html


Here are the facts although Stalin was responsable for many of the Soviet Deaths it is clear that the war in europe was decided in the Soviet Union. It also needs to be taken into account that some of the UKs and many of the USAs military casualties were in the east fighting Japan. No civilian casualties in the USA and they doubled their national wealth - the only real winners.

#7, the complexion of the blogger shouldn't have any relevance to editorial judgement of the BBC, and the policies of a political party should not effect the BBC's rules of unbiased reporting, but I am affaid that when it comes to the BNP, the BBC rule book goes out of the window.

Don't mention Barking - you could come to hate the word after May 6th.

JTW wrote some real nonsense here.

Some facts for you, JTW:
* Britain's Jewish community can be traced back to the very early middle ages, if not before. "fragmented"? I'd say not.
* Britain's Romany community can be traced back to the middle ages. "fragmented"? I'd say not. They are the origin of steak and kidneys being eaten together.
* Britain's Asian community can be traced back to 1604. "fragmented"? I'd say not.
* Women in Britain got the vote because of an immigrant called Nancy Astor. "fragmented"? I'd say that is good: women should get a vote.
* Huguenots came here in their thosands upon thousands. In 1700, 1 percent of the UK population was a French-speaking Huguenot. "fragmented"? I'd say not.

By the way, I know that WWII turned because of the ground war undertaken by the Soviets. If you reread my post, you'll see you're trying to correct me on a point I NEVER made. I can correct you on the point "Hitler was not interested in invading Britain" which is a patent absurdity: the Battle of Britain was an attempt to down the RAF to pave the way for a blitzkrieg attack.

Returning to the point you ignored about your use of fragmented being used to mean skin colour... It seems an obvious conclusion that you are another BNP stooge selling a massacred and partial version of Britishness.

Let me ask you again:
* Is "fragmented" your term for "has people with different skin colour"?
* Do you support or condemn the sentiment "If Hitler where alive today, he would get my vote"?

And a final question:
* Isn't it ironic that the BNP uses the image of Winston Churchill, himself the son of an immigrant and also the man who allowed post-war immigration, in order to try to appear patriotic?

So, bankingballs, how is Mr Barling being biased? Please explain. If you can provide any examples of other parties having ex-servicemen in uniform, that would be good to know about.

Shows how much you know. Edward the First(Longshanks)expelled all of the Jews in England in 1290. Some of them were drowned in the Thames at Queensborough. He took their money to finance his invasion of Wales.The Nazis did not invent the yellow star badges of identification he did. It was the 1st instance anywhere of ethnic cleansing. Asian community going back to 1604? There was not many here before 1954 let alone 1604. A lot of them came here when Kenya and Uganda kicked them out. You have got a thing about skin colour. When Salman Rushdie brought out Satanic Verses muslims went on marches in protest in the UK. It wasn't alright for Nazi Germany to tell us which books we can or cannot read. But its alright for them to? Do you consider the London Suicide Bombers to be normal citizens? If so you are very much in a minority.

JTW, what's the irrelevant history lesson for? None of that shows me to be wrong.

Let me ask you again:
* Is "fragmented" your term for "has people with different skin colour"?
* Do you support or condemn the sentiment "If Hitler where alive today, he would get my vote"? It's the one at https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/04/what_would_be_your_manifesto.html?page=4 at post 1649 made by a BNP member.

By the way check this out sad case https://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/ww2/handzar/handzar.htm
Himmlers Muslim Regiment. How little you know

JTW, I did happen to know that. What do you think the folks at home are now making of your continued attempts to dodge two questions?

Let me ask you again (this is the third time):
* Is "fragmented" your term for "has people with different skin colour"?
* Do you support or condemn the sentiment "If Hitler where alive today, he would get my vote"?

The only thing that is irrelevant is your opinions. As I pointed out the London Suicide Bombers were all born in this country and grew up here if that is not an example of fragmentation what is. Hardly the actions of people happy to live in a democracy.
Do you support or condemn the sentiment "If Hitler where alive today, he would get my vote"? I am not anti-semetic and I am not a German Citizen so how would he get my vote? No one is getting my Vote New Labour/Conservative whats the difference?
Maybe Hitler would get your vote, you approve of this country having a military presence in other peoples countries - just like he did!

Every serious crime can be an "example of fragmentation". We've had serious crimes for centuries. That is not proof of anything. We are still here.

It's good to hear that you're here in a personal and not a political capacity and that you finally cleared up one of these two questions.

Do you know it's now the fourth time you have claimed I said something I did not?

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

Serious crime? No serious crime is someone robbing a Bank. The London Suicide Bombers comes under TERRORISM. They were on a completely different wavelength to most people, they beleived what they were doing was heroic and Allah would welcome them into paradise.Terrorism has only been around for decades not centuries. You stated Britains Jewish community can be traced back to the middle ages, traced back to where The Tower of London? Most of the jewish people in Britain came here around the turn of the century from eastern europe to escape persecution in Csarist Russia etc.

JTW, terrorism is politically motivated crime intended to cause terror. That is why it is serious.

I don't understand what the Tower of London has to do with this. Care to explain? It seems beside the point.

It's odd, isn't it... You seem to dislike "fragmentation" but there you are doing your bit to help "fragmentation" by coming out with stuff that sounds like the BNP's anti-Muslim propaganda.

Edward the First (Longshanks) put the Jews he borrowed money from to finance his conquest of Wales in the Tower of London, it was more economical to dispose of them than pay them.

Himmler: "Muslims responded to the call of Muslim heads and joined our side because of their hatred of our joint Jewish-English-Bolshevik enemies, and because of their belief and respect for the one we place above all -- towards Fuhrer."

For the second time, you seem to dislike "fragmentation" but there you are doing your bit to help "fragmentation" by coming out with stuff that sounds like the BNP's anti-Muslim propaganda.

I think you are a BNP supporter or member.

Maybe the folks at home do too. You've certainly given them cause to.

Reminder to all: the comment "If Hitler where alive today, he would get my vote" is at
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/04/what_would_be_your_manifesto.html?page=4 at post 1649
where someone who has posted pro-BNP comments for years decides to share this lovely thought.

You are indeed a very sad case, you make the BNP out to be a lot more important than they are.

The suicide bombers and 9/11 are a lot more extreme than any previous forms of terrorism. Did the IRA have suicide bombers...NO. They would plant a bomb set it off but did not deliberately kill themselfs in the process. Do not understand how fanatical these people are? they are in a different league to the IRA etc. While this country has troops in Iraq and Afganistan they may react at any time with no warning. The London Suicide bombers were born here, grew up here and went to school here. Because of this someone like you may consider them to be UK citizens ...BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY DID NOT - They considered UK citizens who had done them no harm, travelling to work as legitimate targets. Draw a line in the sand? you talk nonsense "Weapons of Mass Destruction" LIES!

There were demonstations in London and Madrid after the invasion of Iraq, the Spanish then withdrew their troops. Could it be that Spain is more of a democracy than the UK?

JTW, I still think you are a BNP supporter or member.

For your next comment, maybe you would like to give some serious thought as to how terrorism can be anything except a crime that is politically motivated crime intended to cause terror.

For your next comment, maybe you would like to give some serious thought as to how your inability to address points raised here and what you then say makes you look like a BNP stooge.

Oh, and that is your FIFTH attempt to put words in my mouth. It's a bad habit you seem to have.

You still do not get it do you? To them it is not a crime it is the will of ALLAH they are prepared to sacrifice themselves because they believe they are going to paradise, as a reward for their act of supreme heroism. Criminals know what they do is illegal. These people think what they are doing is the right thing and that all non-beleivers are criminals. You really have not got a clue have you? Not all muslims are like that but whenever you have a lot of them, there will always be a number of them that are.

JTW, you are absolutely impossible to reason with because you are incapable of reading what is written and incapable of understanding that someone else gets a point.

Or, it is deliberate on your part ...

This seems like further proof, if anyone needs it, that you are a BNP cyber activist. Normal people are certainly very careful not to give the impression they support this idiot-party. Normal people take offence at the suggestion they would vote for these losers. You do not seem to care and come out with demented BNP-level replies.

It is why I see no point in replying further.

I probably will not because I get more sense and better reasoning from my relatives under the age of 10 than I ever have from a BNP cyber activist.

Here's a challenge: see if you can discredit yourself and the BNP even more in your reply.

Only children under 10 would take any notice of what you have got to say. You think anyone who is not interested in your views is a BNP cyber activist. Nick Clegg talks sense in bring the tax threshold up to £10K, it is obscene that people pay tax after they earn £6K. But in everything else is similar to the 2 others.There is talk of NHS cuts etc but they are happy to waste so much money with a military presence in Iraq and Afganistan.
IT IS BETTER TO SPEND MONEY ON LIFE THAN ON DEATH.

C'mon, JTW. That's like something from a school playground.

Nobody will ever accuse you of adult politics if you say stuff like that. They might even call you an appeaser.

If the BBC simply reported the news instead of wading into it, it wouldn’t get itself into so much trouble.

37. At 5:36pm on 30 Apr 2010, KennethM wrote:
"If the BBC simply reported the news instead of wading into it, it wouldn’t get itself into so much trouble."

If you read the bit at the top of this page, you would know it is not news, but where Kurt discusses "some of the big topical issues which have an impact on Londoners' lives and share stories which remind us of our rich cultural heritage."

The oddity of the uniformed candidate was reported as news in many media outlets: it seemed odd to all.

38 Phosgene

Then why didn't he simply report it instead of making a comment about it?

KennethM, you do realise that this is NOT a news page, right?

It's reporting. Topical but not really the same thing as news.

I'll draw your attention to the top of this page, where it says the journalist discusses "some of the big topical issues which have an impact on Londoners' lives and share stories which remind us of our rich cultural heritage."

#40 Phosgene

If it is not the same things as news why is he working for BBC News?

On 27th April 2010 at about 9:30am on BBC Radio Five Live the BBC stated that it wanted the government to employ more social workers. Some people may agree and some may not. However, this is a matter for voters and not the BBC

I object to organisations I haven't voted for interfering in the democratic process and in this case mis-using the medium to broadcast their own views, especially in election time.

KennethM, it seems a bit surprising that you have reached the age of adulthood without ever having realised that journalists do more than just report news.

Every local radio station, TV station as well as local and national newspaper employs journalists who report, not just do the news.

If you object to organisations you have not voted for reporting editorially acceptable views of their employees, you can start writing letters about this. There are so many organisations that I suggest you buy a crate of stamps.

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

The election on May 6th, 2010 saw the BNP lose all of its council seats and decrease its share of the vote. The sitting Labour MP, Margaret Hodge, increased her majority and she now has the largest majority of any Labour MP in this election.

"The election on May 6th, 2010 saw the BNP lose all of its council seats and decrease its share of the vote. The sitting Labour MP, Margaret Hodge, increased her majority and she now has the largest majority of any Labour MP in this election" WHO CARES? There are now more Conservative MPs (306) than Labour MPs (258)

As usual you place a lot of importance on the BNP. There was no way they or any extreme left party would get any MPs. What people do care about is a resolution to this General Election, to find who Clegg is going to side with.
Could it be that those sympathetic with the BNP decided to vote Conservative? Cameron has stated that Immigration is a problem that needs to be addressed and that he did not agree with Cleggs idea to "legalize" illegal immigrants that have been here for over 10 years.

JTW wrote:
"As usual you place a lot of importance on the BNP."

You're funny! If you hadn't noticed, JTW, this page is about a BNP campaigning ruse. The campaigning ruse failed.

You sound like you care deeply and you're trying to get one over on me. You will continue to sound like you care and you're trying to get one over on me until you stop trying to get one over on me.

"You're funny!" ? That's rich coming from someone that socializes
with 10 year olds.

47. At 8:48pm on 11 May 2010, JTW wrote:
'"You're funny!" ? That's rich coming from someone that socializes
with 10 year olds.'
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An insult? You know you've lost ... and so does everyone else.