EXTENDED SCENE: DOES A BEAR...?

extended nice term deficate one of the politer terms for twilight





Molly

dreams (can come true) - Gabrielle

Lucy

Faith - George Michael

Hmmmmm change and change about. Can Lucy be the Hand of God? Can Kemp be sold to the devil?

Mitchell and George need to find Annie and bring her back but how?

Role on S3 ...

*polite

Not sure this changes my view of the original scene, seems to get the same message across but just use more words....perhaps Lucy is a little more adamant that Mitchell can change but I got that impression from the scene in the version included.

I wanted to be the first comment but everyone beat me :L I'm new to the comments...but I've been around since the pilot as a fan of this amazing show. That's Mr P for this! It makes Lucy seem a whole lot nicer :D

She seems to me to be regarding him as a science project rather than a person to be saved, in this clip.

I can see why we got the shorter version the crazy ideas about demonic spirits were saved for the ep 7 when Kemp has killed the vampires and dragged Lucy into the decision to kill them the whole extra bit when stating that she will prove he's capable of change might have cast her in a still darker light to the blog and been harder to explain what we had to begin with was less definite and made the her actions and Kemp's manipulations more believable.



still No Nina and two day's left maybe 3?

I think that the more Lucy says nice things about Mitchell, the more it makes her a terrible person, because she went ahead and said 'do it' DESPITE her feelings for him. If she'd done it because she had no doubt in her beliefs, I can understand that. But she knew he was capable of change and still she tried to kill him. That's what makes her the monster, in my eyes.

@8 - agreed, it all just makes the betrayal that much worse.

I feel a bit torn by this scene. I sort of agree with thesinginggirl about how saying all these nice things about Mitchell makes Lucy more 'evil' by agreeing to go ahead and kill the vampires... but... it shoes the leadership in Kemp and Lucy's relationship, and still believe that there was some kind of 'brainwashing' involved. Obviously Lucy is/was a weak woman, who genuinely believed she was doing God's work, but I do really think she did care about Mitchell in her own little way.

shows* not shoes! sorry! and thanks BHP :) xx

8 - agreed she seems to care for him and knows he can change, yet she is still prepared to try and blow him up! still a good scene

Thanks for this Mr P but I personally found the deleted scenes much more interesting than this 'extended' scene....as far as I can make out, extended only by Kemp's dialgue towards the end of the clip.



Agree with the comments above...

ewan and singinggirl.....yes, the more that Lucy claimed that she was interested in supporting Mitchell in his 'change', the worse it made her eventual betrayal.

lurve_BH..yes the power dynamics between Kemp and Lucy seemed to keep shifting...the final scene in series 1 when Kemp phoned Prof Jaggat ( " we've found them") certainly seemed to imply that she was dominant in their project...this clearly altered once she actually started to get to know Mitchell. Everything changed once she had sex with Mitchelll as it showed her to be weak in Kemp's eyes..and she becamme increasingly confused between feelings and faith....ultimately handing power over to Kemp.



On a different note...thanks to annette, lurve_BH, eagle eyes, Deadlysecret, celticgrace, silverdragon, DeadlyFurniture and mitchellinmarigolds for their response to my comments on the last blog. The Being Human blog of course is for everyone...the consensus seems to be that everyone wants to keep the Being Human blog focused on ..Being Human chat. ..which does of course include discussions on the fabulous actors and what we might want to do with them....given half a chance....

I agree...if Lucy had a misguided perception of what vampires were in the first place, it would be more forgivable for her to carry out her mission, but the fact that she believed they were capable of redemption/change makes her that much more of a coward for carrying through with it (and makes Mitchell that much more justified in jumping off the wagon and seeking revenge).

Also... in the alternative script for opening scene of episode 7, it showed Lucy as being the dominate one almost, didn't it? With the werewolves. Her and Kemp's relationship really does move in swings and roundabouts doesn't it....

Thanks BHP! X

Whats this crack about? What aren't we allowed to talk about...?

the way I see the relationship is that in the beginning Kemp always too the lead with Lucy when it came to vampires but the scientific method it was Lucy both were playing to their strengths also it could be that by acting less dominant at the start and letting Lucy get into trouble by her self he knew when that happened it would be easier for him to take full control.

Laurar: hello....in reply to ( 17) if you have the time....read all the posts on the last blog and you'll understand what 'this crack' is all about.

Yayy :)

memory like a sieve - is this before or after Mitchell has killed the police chief?? was thinking that, for Lucy, seeing Mitchell covered in blood and obviously not clean in any sense of the word was where she began to be swayed by Kemp. If you think about all that Kemp said about Vampires seducing people, literally and with words - from the outside it could have looked like Mitchell was saying all the right things, then turning up all vulnerable and 'help me, i've fallen off the wagon'. doesn't look good! Still not justification for blowing them up though!



love Lucy's sarcasm coming through in this clip.

21 - before this was towards the end of ep 4 the chief got throated at the end of ep 5

Hey Laurar, hope you're okay :)



MRT - it is before Mitchell kills the police chief... I think its when Lucy and Mitchell go to the pub for a drink but barely speak to each other

I think that most folks have said it, the fact that Lucy thought vampires could be changed and then goes ahead with the killing of the vampires shows that she has become the monster.

23 nope the pub is ep3 this is after he told her about the meetings during the make up 20 questions

A thought on the Off Topic blog comments.



How about BHP gives us our Sunday night rewatch blog post (no clip, no new material) and after the rewatching is done it becomes the home of food fantasies and other seriously OT material for the following week? That way the new blogs with extended/deleted scenes and other material and news from BHP can remain clear. Win win? No pressure to cut back on the social, hanging out posts, but no need for occasional visitors or those who don't enjoy such stuff to wade through it?



Yeah, this IS me continuing to lobby for a dedicated rewatch blog, but see, I've got another good reason :-)

oh, I'm definitely in the hugely minor minority of feeling a tiny bit sorry for Lucy aren't I? Oh dear!

little bit of info the last two clips are on you tube but not this one yet

@ lurve_BH - yup, certainly looks that way :-)

Ashe..hello...agree with your point on Lucy (14) but can't see any justification for the Mitchell onslaught on the Box20 crowd......ok he was devastated and a TAD angry when he heard that Lucy had been involved in the vampire massacre, but it was she, Kemp and CenSAA he should have saved his rage for ...not the humans he had worked so hard to protect. Having said that...I did sort of understand him tearing the throat of the Chief Constable...nasty piece of work!

26 - personally, I like this idea, a lot. I wonder how other will feel.



Am still thinking about this last clip... I did like it, but if it had been in there and then was taken out, I dont think I would have missed it. I think we got an idea of Lucy's 'feelings' for Mitchell through other conversations, and we always knew how Kemp felt... was good though

Evening bloggers!



Thankyou once again to Barry and the rest of BHProduction team for another video to keep us going!

I really feel the need to go back and watch episodes 1-4 of this series. It seems like ages ago they were on. Even though I've seen them all at least 3 times, I've forgotten so much!



So, this extended scene, if I remember correctly, there's not a whole lot extra here....is there?



I think Lucy always did have feelings for Mitchell (and let's face it, who wouldn't? lol). She was very heavily influenced/brainwashed by Kemp though.



Dorina (hi): Just read the comments from the last blog post....I agree with what you've said.....

Evening...



I remember the shortened version of this in S2...didn't find it the best thing but it did highlight that, at one point, Lucy at least thought Mitchell could change but Kemp was doing his best to ensure that he kept her on side as it were...it was only after Kemp came to her flat and said he thought there was an attraction with her and Mitchell that she seemed to start to falter, then once she'd had sex with him, she became a bit of a victim of Kemp's psychological bullying of her and of her own guilt at being what she perceived as weak and choosing the 'wrong' side...and sold Mitchell off...



Thesinginggirl (8) I agree...it put me right off her...and, as I've mentioned a lot before, she pretty knew which side her bread was buttered from the false sobs in the unisex loo when she I think engineered her meeting with Mitchell, or at least took full advantage of it when it happened, right up to the last...she at least tried to do something towards the end at the cottage, but I'm wondering if that was because she wanted to die at that point, not because she wanted to necessarily save Mitchell or the others...



Dorina: Also agree...Lucy was definitely in on the whole thing from the beginning otherwise why would Kemp have rung her at the end of S1? She was obviously an important character involved in this aspect of the danger.

Firebird2110..sorry...don't really want this discussion to go on and on ..but...it's called the BEING HUMAN blog for a reason...it's not called drink/food fantasies/ let's talk about anything and everything blog...there are plenty of social interaction sites out there if that's what you're really after. Perhaps you, or someone , could set up an off- shoot site where you can have all those off topic discussions/banter ?..but if you do please come back to this blog when you want to have BH chats.

Lucy reminds me of the old saying "there's no woman more self-righteous than a reformed whore." She obviously has demons of her own and her obsession with supernaturals and yet her attraction to one shows her own conflict. She is drawn to that otherness and wants to be a part of it in some real way, not just clinically. At the end of Ep8 she goes to Mitchell, not off on her own to repent or recover, and shares the blood on her hands with him. She tries to self-identify as part of the otherness. That attempt to control her imbalances between science and experience (or longing) has been there all along I've noticed in re-watching the episodes. It doesn't make what she's done any less evil, but maybe Mitchell somehow saw a struggle in her and that drew him to her. It would help explain an otherwise inexplicable pairing...



I never liked her with him and can't get my head around her as a character, so thinking aloud!

wow shohga (35) ..please carry on having those 'thinking aloud' posts....very interesting ideas and I wish i could have expressed my thought half as well as did.



I'm agreeing with ewan that Nina seems to have slipped by the wayside recently....she's the only main character who doesn't have a prequel..in some ways understandable because she was the only one non- supernatural prior to George meeting Mitchell etc. But..Nina does have an interesting history...and if Toby is looking into the blog at the moment i'm still hoping for a prequel on how she gained her stomach scars ..and...of course...some follow up to what happens if/when she meets the individuals responsible for causing that disfigurement.



Failing that...some deleted scenes/outtakes with Nina/Sinead please!

Hope still hate Lucy and thank goodness she's gone =D

36 - yes I completely agree - a Nina prequel would be amazing would love to know more about her background, or just anything with her, pretty please? Am missing Nina this week :(

Just so I'm clear - we can talk about BH, BH characters, BH actors. Are we allowed to talk about other things the cast have been in?



I dont really see what all the fuss is about to be honest. Sorry if I've just restarted an old argument, but I really dont get it.

Shohga, Dorina: Nina is a bit left out....I'd love to have seen her in a prequel but am hoping that Uncle Toby is keeping the reason for her abdominal scars under wraps until all is revealed so to speak in S3, which I hope it will be...so perhaps her not having a prequel will be explained in about 10 months time...



We definitely need more of Nina!

@ Dorina - did you notice me taking part in that conversation? No, you didn't!



I was simply suggesting a way to keep both 'sides' happy. I've been through this whole OT vs no OT debate as a moderator and just saying NO OT doesn't work because someone has to be the topic police. That's bad enough coming from a moderator but from someone who just happens to post comments on a blog it's guaranteed bad feelings all round.

I would've loved to have had a good close look at all the photographs on that wall - they looked fascinating. Maybe one of the BH team could put them together as a gallery....just a thought Barry

Oh yeah, hi LBH!! Just incase its frowned upon and so I dont get in trouble for saying it later - do that thing that you said you were going to do asap!

we have a possible appearance for Nina in ep's 5 and 6 where she was left out questions are filling my mind could there be a uncomfortable Nina Lloyd scene when her senses are on full, or how do they keep her believing and away from the coffins? there had to be at least the idea of these scenes even if they failed to work as a whole after filming I would love to see them or failing that see a script

43 - hi lovey! Had lots of work today, am free all day saturday, will do it then lmao... make sure you are around on saturday though!

45 - eeek. I wont be around until verrry late on sat as I am also a busy girl that day. But I will probs be on for a drunken viewing of a new blog - I hope!

Sorry didn't wanna post I can't actually watch the video yet :-( booo! But just to say YES to more Sinead/Nina stuff please :-D



Oh and as much as I hate the * thing...erm *ducks out of the confrontation and goes back to watching Gavin and Stacey and eating shreddies*

@ Laurar - well exactly. This is a blog on a BBC web site. There are standard BBC House Rules and that is all. When people who post comments start trying to tell other people who post comments what they should and should not post comments about there's really no way it's going to end well. Seems to be a natural evolutionary thing in online communities but it would be nice if just this once we could avoid bad feelings and find a solution which allows everyone to feel welcome.

46 - if not saturday, then be around sunday!

Lucy......has been described as a monster, betrayer, evil etc.

But to really understand her we have to remember that just before she meets Kemp and Mitchell her life has been turned upside down.

She has an accident, a head injury but makes an apparently complete recovery ....except for the fact that her religion neurones go way off the guage! Religion, faith and science get mixed up and she writes a wacky book about creationism (intelligent design) and the evil gene. She gets totally dissed by her colleagues and peers - they even draw a dick on the back of her white coat - she looses her job and her long term partner. Inevitably her self-esteem hits rock bottom, she does not belong anywhere, she has no friends, no support systems .....then she meets Kemp and her wacky ideas are validated and suddenly there is a purpose again.

I guess I feel sorry for Lucy she is in completely uncharted territory at a time when she is incredibly vulnerable. Then she meets and I think genuinely falls for Mitchell.



I think the majority of power in the Lucy/Kemp relationship has always been with Kemp (he is driven to the point of obsession). The only time I remember Lucy really standing up to him was when Nina was in the chamber when she yelled at him to turn the pressure down - I think her compassion as a doctor showed through then.

The rest of the time she doubts herself immensley - until she meets Mitchell and then he inspires her because he wants to change, is changing the other vampires is showing that there is another path instead of the continual trail of carnage. Thats when she presses her case with Kemp.

However when Mitch turns up covered in blood and begging for forgiveness and help - her belief in him and herself is severely shaken. This is further undermined by Kemps snidey digs when he guesses that she has slept with Mitchell.

How many people out there can honestly say that they would not do something to stop their partner if they thought they were a serial killer (and remember Lucy has recently seen the bodies of several children that have been killed by vamires).

So I dont hate Lucy, I dont think she is evil or a monster, but I dont agree with what she did - she was incredibly weak and should have stood up to Kemp and pushed for another way - but she was (as I said before in a pretty messed up state herself).

So all you Mitchell lovers, think again about Lucy ... put yourself in her place (not just thinking about the bedroom scene here) and wonder 'would I have been strong enough to stand up to Kemp, Pinky, and the mission to stop the killing'....

firebird2110...none is policing this blog...I have nothing more to add to the keeping this blog BH related discussion than my comments on the previous blog ( did u read those?) and the ones I've posted on this blog.

@Ewan #44 - makes sense that there would have been more scenes in the facility that they ended up not using. Lloyd's 'tissue scene' and Kemp collecting Lucy's stuff in his draw both came a bit out of the blue IMO so I'd expect there to have been some hints earlier.

On the subject of Lucy....I dont think she is dead. I think we will see her again in Series 3....what does everyone else think?

52 - let's hope to see those hints soon

dorina you are welcome just got back from work to find your message to me and the rest of us. like i said i totally agree with us keeping the chat on BH and not wondering off on facebook chat.

however shall we all agree that now and again we can have a laugh and keep the chat a little light hearted because im sure being human creators and actors wouldnt want us to have our feet on the ground all the time surely thats why they created such an amazing programme by creating a little fantasy and making us all feel very pasionate about it!

firebird2110 - thanks!



I didnt actually mind Lucy tbh, the person I dislike the most ( I cant even say hate as that isn't the right word) is Daisy. She practically raped the lovely George!

50 - thank you!! you put that so much better than I ever could!! I think I share the same views as you, and have put comments on previous blogs about it, just not as clearly as you!! :)

Laurar - SUNDAY!! lol :)



I can't say I adored Lucy, and I can understand why many of you really dislike her, but I do feel sorry for her

#51 - only enough to see what the 'dig' was about because I skip OT comments. I suggested a possible solution and was a bit put out at your response.

53 - there are three Lucy options

1, Dead, dead, dead a stake through the chest will do that you know

2, Ghost, we see a door we see Annie drag Kemp to hell we don't see Lucy and the posibility of Lucy having 'unfinished business' is high

3, Vampire when Mitchell is over Lucy we cut to George trying to convince Kemp not to kill Nina when we see Mitchell again he hasn't changed position



in the end it's up to you what you believe

I can't honestly say I remember the final version of this scene - how much of this clip had they cut out for it? I guess it makes Lucy seem a tad nicer/more sympathetic to the Vampire kind, but it still doesn't make me like her. I don't know *why* I don't like her, even in the end - she just seemed to be two-faced in her intentions.



Thanks for the clip, BHProd!



(40) 10 months! That makes it sound so long! :(

annette..thanks..and people have only to read blogs from before Xmas and Jan to see that all bloggers have always had a laugh on the blog as well as having more in depth discussions....we just used to be able to do that without losing completely the connection with the show, its characters , storylines or actors.

@Josie #53 - I think she's dead and passed on. I think at the end she welcomed death. My money is definitely on no more Lucy.



@Laurar #57 - I didn't like Daisy at first, but she grew on me. Really almost all of the characters did, except maybe that police CE, he was a slimball!

Evening!Thanks BHP!



Lots of good points about this clip, I agree with it all really.



I still don't like her, but it's a difficult one, cos you do have to imagine everything she's been through and her thoughts on the world. However, if she really loved Mitchell, she wouldn't have done that!

LBH - yes ok SUNDAY.

Oh no! What blog will I have to write in...(phhhhffftt)





sorry.

Josie (50) great post...very thoughtful and yeh...of course if I'd been lucy I'd have fallen for Mitchell and ended up in such a turmoil which could only result in a downward spiral.



I loved Daisy!...she was/is such a fiesty character....I think she will figure in BH3 in some way and may very well be part of the 'threat' that Nina. George and Mitchell bring upon themselves or have to face.

Dorina: (51) Well put...no-one is policing anyone it's just that this blog is supposed to be slightly more about Being Human and related stuff...we've thoroughly enjoyed it in the past and it's been a blast chatting about things but we've tried to keep it mainly in context....



And I have tried having sympathy with Lucy, but ultimately she had the choice...she was OK at the beginning, really thought Mitchell could give up and even slept with the guy...she was right, it made him vulnerable...then arranged to have him murdered...it made her as bad as he used to be...how sensitive was she to that when he reminded her of it during their confrontation in the room at the laboratory/old bank...she didn't like being reminded of the comparisons he was making for her behaviour at all...



She never went through any door....now, what would happen there? Would she become another Annie?

Really don't believe Lucy is a vampire, must be dead. She couldn't cope with the 4 werewolfes she killed, how could she live immortily?

(50) Josie - You have a good point! Maybe I should watch the series again to pick up more clues, now we know how it all ends. Having to watch BH again, what a hardship! ;)

Laurar - we will find a way - there is no way im not having a conversation about it with you, after your forcing me to do it!! lol!!



I don't think I was overly struck on Daisy at the beginning, by the end I was slightly more enamoured, but she isn't a favourite of mine, but I think that's just because George slept with her... I know, I know....

Firebird2110 - You see the thing is most of us aren't really used to the whole "online community" as you put it - I for one was a normal (stop it - I was once! LOL!) person before Being Human came along - never did the whole geeky internet chatty thing and I know most of the original bloggers were the same you know :-S so to you who's obviously used to fansites/blogs/social whatsits etc its a different thing...we just know that the majority of being human fans seem to be in the same boat as us and as I mentioned before feel uncomfortable and reluctant to comment etc.



It really is quite sad - back in the day the blog had a lovely atmosphere we all used to chat and get on really well and even Toby and Mr P used to say that they liked the atmosphere on here how we all get on and half the time when people asked questions for Toby one of us would end up answering :-P



Whether or not you want to acknowledge it things have changed and a lot of the people who had been on here since the pilot/the start of series 1 (myself included lets face it I've been here the longest lol) have stopped coming on becuase its too much like hard work! Which at the end of the day none of us need most of us have jobs to do and lives (yes yes I do have one lol) I for one don't need the hassle when I come on here!



So yes I do think Dorina has a point and she's by no means the only one just the only one brave enough to say anything! So can we not be quie so childish about it please

The script they gave us with the more evily empowered Lucy is totally confusing me. The Lucy we know, wasn't really like that (just a tad more in the last episode I thought).

on the important subject of this extended clip the utter betrayel in this clip is heart wrenching you can obviously see how lucy is fighting with her lust for mitchell (not love) as a religious person she was finding it exciting and disturbing that she also had a dark side to have feelings for such an opposition of god and in a way its kind of excitied her she wanted him but knew she couldnt have him so made herself believe she could change him. its so hard to digest that mitchell looked on her as another josie someone who knew who he was and loved him but she could never feel for him as josie did. the betrayel shows in that, for me this is when you really see that mitchell does have his humanity when you see the pain in is anger and frustration that the person he loved betrayed him but in the end forgave her. even after all that i cannot forgive lucy but do believe we will see her again in series 3 probably as a ghost. she still has unfinshed business because she wanted to show them that she could make up for what she did but didnt get the chance as kemp killed her, i think she should help them get annie back its the least she could do now. kemp wasnt the baddy in all of this he was just the deluded follower of lucy who went insane after losing his family to vampires.

68. I agree , if Lucy became a vampire then Mitchell at some point would have to let some of his blood drip into her before she died. She died and the door appeared, there was no sign of Mitchell cutting himself in anyway to recruit her--that we could see. I think she is dead, as a dodo.

Hmm I dunno about Lucy - I think thats the best thing about Toby he rarely ties up the loose ends lol and even when you think he has (like with Herrick) he suprises us!! Mitchell was out there with her a while before he came inside though? And he had blood on him when he did - of course it could just be because he was holding her :-( but who knows? Its always good to speculate :-D hehe



I dunno I can't hate her as much as I try...at the end of the day she could've killed Mitchell and she didn't - at least we know she was conflicted and not completely 100% evil...and even Kemp well he had his reasons :-( and I think initially he thought he was doing it for the best...he just lost his way

Annette (73) Do you think it's possible that Lucy, if she is a ghost, will try and make reparation for her behaviour by agreeing to help with Annie's situation? I had a notion of Lucy finding out about the television link with the cottage and using it to contact Mitchell to say sorry!

But doesn't Mitchell have to let his blood drip into her before she dies not after death, it's too late once they are dead.

Yeah the blog has changed quite abit.... I thought maybe it was just me "abandoning" it in favour of twitter, lol... Cos most of us original bloggers (I do count don't I... I know I arrived a little bit late, lol) are on twitter and Mr P and BHP so all the chat there took over, lol.



Didn't seen yesterdays blog (cor blimey they are REALLY treating us with these daily blogs!! he he)so can't say much about it.



Loving these new vids tho... so ace!

LBH you make me sound like a weirdo.

I like the idea of Lucy somehow helping resolve the Annie issue though. I hadn't even thought of that, and it would (maybe) make ammends for her terrible choices whilst she was alive

77 - the point is when she said Mitchell she hadn't died only lost consciousness and like with Bernie you don't have to be awake to be turned the question therefore still stands

(80) Fair enough, but I *really* hope she doesn't come back as a vampire! I guess a ghost wouldn't be too bad, so long as it wasn't for long - though I do like the idea of her helping to get Annie back...

I thought she died Ewan isn't that why the door appeared when they were all outside?

79 - u do that all by yourself luvvy!



I personally don't think Lucy will be in next series, though it would be interesting if she was!

Right, well I'm a bit late to all this tonight, so here goes.....



Well I like the clip. It's nice to see Lucy standing up to Kemp. But I just can't make my mind up about her! I've felt sorry for her at times & at other times I have absolutely hated her! She seems to be battling with herself constantly. Part of me feels sorry for her, but then she play her part in killing four werewolves. She hasn't always seemed to feel that guilty about it...



On the whole "off topic" thing & yes I'll say it, before anybody else does, I'm a repeat offender on that one. I agree with most of the comments made by Dorina & others, that is unfair to have to wade through 300 comments to read 100 related to the topic in hand. I agree with you Firebird, that a separate blog for our S1 rewatch may give us daft newbies somewhere a little less formal to chat.



I think that oiginally some of us newbies felt the same a little excluded from the blog by the "old ones" as you seem to like to call yourselves. It would be nice to feel we could all use the blog without feeling excluded, after all we are all on here because we love BH! & perhaps us newbies would feel a little more included if you didn't feel the need to talk about our use of text speak & our spelling.... I'm sure you can work that out.....! :( I'm know I'm not the only one who feels like this!

God I hope that Lucy's not back as a vampire....agree that Toby loves springing characters back in different guises but I'm thinking thta maybe we've had enough of that!...although..liking the idea that somehow, behind the door, Lucy redeems herslf by helping with Annie's rescue.



I'm also remembering that in Nottingham, in October..Matt ( producer) said that they might be bringing Bernie back into series 3...!

82 - the door's the sticker for the vampire theory but I had a laughable thought with about that and it is so out there it needs to be pointed out that I don't ascribe to it just thought it.



Was Kemp at the farmhouse a ghost?

now I know crazy talk right but it was near to the change in the farmhouse so Nina should have been strong enough to smell him or stop him attacking. failing that quick enough to get away.

then there's the fact he saw the Door before it opened and Annie appeared. the fact the men with sticks and rope don't like what she did is because they aren't as powerful as Annie is and it scares them remember they said they could drag her to hell but if Annie can literally do what they only boast about? there wouldn't be a form for that.

Oh, my! Leave the blog for a few days and thousands of posts appear and, yes, some are more pertinent than others. I've skimmed through and it seems that because many bloggers don't have time to read all the posts, the same comments and questions are repeated making the blog even longer and more time-consuming to read. How Catch-22 is that?



So, at risk of yet more repetition/irrelevance...I accept that BH2 needed to be different from BH1 but I found it increasingly hard to ignore the inconsistencies and lack of cohesion. I think there needs to be some 'rules' and a good script editor for the next series and though I realise that people are keen to see BH3 ASAP, I'd rather wait for well-written, considered episodes than a 'get it out the door' rush job.



Liking these latest vids, though!

@eagle-eyes #71 - see you were doing OK until that last line.



Yes, I've been part of online communities for a long time, over 20 years in fact and I've seen the same pattern repeat again and again and again. See right here in this post you are drawing a line between those who've been here since the pilot/the start of series 1 and everyone else. Think about what that implies, what you're saying to everyone not in 'your' camp.



What the heck, I tried to offer a constructive suggestion. Now I'll just do an Ivan, sit back and watch the nice warm community feeling vanish as the factions solidify and snipe at each other and people leave in a huff. Just don't say nobody warned you.

This extended scene is a wierd one because on the face of it only a few lines have been added but it does make Lucy more sympathetic as a character.



It makes it clear how she didn't just give in to what Kemp said at first, she gave Mitchell the chance, and looking at it from her perspective he blew it.



He killed someone and turned up on her doorstep, she didn't know the reality of the situation, how much of a struggle it is for Mitchell and how he almost had to kill the Chief Constable to stop the vampires becoming his private army.



It doesn't make her right but it makes her side of the story more believable, like her line about the situation with Mitchell being them getting sidetracked. Wonder why they cut it? More mystery to Lucy perhaps?





Anyway enough serious on topic-ness, where is todays "If the cast were biscuit what biscuit would they be?" discussion?



:D

She could well be a ghost. I'm still 50/50 whether the door Annie appeared from was for was for Lucy, or was Annie interacting.



All in all, there surely is no way Lucy could have survived that injury?

88 - it's not their fault maybe no is the time it should happen there's nothing good on TV

87 - I know what you mean I will put forward an idea that can vary from great through to passable to STFU crazy and a few blogs later it's repeated by someone else

76 anglo.... most definately i think someone somewhere has to help to get annie back, george and mitchell cant do it as they are on the other side. the only one who can really help them now is lucy she wont rest until she has forgiveness anyone who is religious believes that and she was. she will get annie back for them to get the forgiveness of all of them then she can rest. we never saw a door appear for her only the door that annie appeared from to take kemp. mitchell wouldnt of done the same lucy as he did to laura he couldnt live with the guilt of turning her into a vampire.

GR - I love the way everyone is so up and down about this whole Lucy thing - it just goes to prove once again how brilliant the writing is on the show!



I also agree with much of what Dorina and others have said about needless daft comments, as I said earlier, though I know we just get caught up in the moment. Maybe a little bit of self restraint is needed!! :P



And, I also agree with your last comment, I know some of us did feel slightly excluded when we first started blogging - it's kind of difficult to acquaint yourself in a website that has so many established members in it already. Due to that, I guess the 'newbies' have instinctively drifted towards one another. With the comments of use of text speak and so on and so forth, I think that just adds to feeling excluded. So, while I can understand where the 'original bloggers' are coming from when they say they find it difficult at times to feel comfortable blogging, us newbies feel the same!



Oh dear, it's been quite ... erm... strange tonite... I think I need a lie down soon! :P

Hey DF, I'm feeling a bit bashfull now cause I was part of the buscuit debacle.



Ewan - you know what, I defo think there was something up with Kemp. And yeah, I never thought about Annie being more powerful than the others. That makes sense. It would be funny if the trio took months to get Annie back and she realises she could've done it herself.

(85) Bringing Bernie back would be quite good and a great storyline for Mitchell, but surely the actor would have grown up a bit since we last saw him? That's the problem with playing immortal characters, they have to stay the same age ;)

@Ewan #91 - LOL!



I wonder just how long a vampire realistically can live. Do they all end up like Ivan, having seen just so much death and destruction that it's hard to feel any more? We've been told that ghosts just get tired and go through the door because the endless days of spectating become too much. Do vampires have a similar built-in self destruct, Ivan mentions them having long lives, but it seems they're not really immortals at all.

95 - in all fairness most of us were part of that debate last nite so dont worry :)

86 Ewan , hmmm that needs a lot of thinking about, I will need to scratch head on that one.

96 - dose that mean no Hetty?



95 - well someone listens to my weird ideas shame about my serious ones.



one thing I've wondered whether it's been discussed is what dose your door say about you of all the door's we've seen the most stately or formal has to be Annie's is there a reason for this dose it denote power character fate or something else?