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Friday, 23 August, 2002, 06:38 GMT 07:38 UK
Is change on the way in North Korea?
North and South Korea have indicated that progress is being made in the first cabinet-level talks between the two for nine months.

Kim Ryong-song, leader of the North Korean delegation emerged from Monday's 70-minute session, telling reporters: "You may think optimistically."

A South Korean spokesman said he expected progress to be made in the remaining two days of talks.

High on the agenda at the Seoul talks are moves to reconnect a cross-border railway and to set a date for further reunions between family members separated since the Korean War ended 50 years ago.

The talks came after a recent increase in North Korean diplomatic activity, with the government of Kim Jong-il saying it also wants to resume high-level contacts with the US and Japan.

What do you hope to see achieved at the Seoul talks? Is change on the way in North Korea? Can relations be eased between the country and the international community?


This Talking Point has now closed. Read a selection of your comments below.

North Korea has been playing these games for many years. They are smart enough to throw carrots to the international community to show signs of change when in reality, it's all an illusion to get more aid. It's silly to think any developments in North Korea as positive. Fact of the matter is, until North Korea gets a new leader, elected by the people, we are being fooled by their empty gestures.
Steve, USA

Reunification of the Koreas will remain an unattainable goal until the regime in Pyongyang collapses. In light of recent talks, it is important to keep this fact in mind. "Binding infrastructure" such opening rail and road routes, however, is an attainable and necessary goal. Such developments are necessary to avoid the economic catastrophe that looms for both Koreas in the not too distant future, when Kim Jong-il et al lose this game of "survivor".
Sam, Canada


Seoul will determine how it deals with the North, not Washington

Kenn Lett, USA
It would seem from reading a majority of the responses, your readers think that the US is running a puppet government in Seoul. I can assure that this is not the case. South Korea is no longer the obedient client state that it once was. Seoul will determine how it deals with the North, not Washington. Since the economic boom of the last decade, Seoul only takes counsel from Washington, not orders. Why? Because they no longer need us as they once did. They are both economically and militarily superior than the North. They no longer worry about the Chinese because they know the Chinese now see no profit in backing the dying regime in North Korea. Given enough time, North Korea will eventually implode.
Kenn Lett, USA

I believe that eventually North Korea will fade away just like East Germany did. I think that if the south and the UN continue negotiations with the north, allow free trade to start with the north, continue to allow family members to see one another, eventually things will start to change for the people in the north. It would be in both countries' interest for them to unite. It would help stabilise the area, Korea could become a powerhouse of Asia thus thwarting China's movements in Asia. The Korean economy could eventually surpass Japan as the dominant trading partner in Asia.
David Wolford, USA

North Korea's economy is in serious trouble. The Korean people in general are very pleasant but they have had a difficult regime for a long time. Now that they are trying to reform the west should welcome it and try to help them. The American president, in my view, mistakenly called them the "axis of evil" but he should try to make this enemy his friend. The Korean people need some goodwill.
Jonsson, Iceland


It would be fabulous to see the Koreas united but they are just pawns in the game of global politics

Simon, Canada
Change in North Korea will not happen without any bold steps from the USA and China. The US is eager to keep a presence in Northeast Asia in order to contain China. So any thought of having the Koreas reunited and easing the tension would give those who favour a reduction of US troops in South Korea a valid point. On the other hand, China is eager to use North Korea as a buffer zone between itself and Japan. It would be fabulous to see the Koreas united but they are just pawns in the game of global politics.
Simon, Canada

I am guessing N Korea will invade the South before 2010. Slow economic recovery and repeated food shortages, will make it reach out and grab the South in surprise. What better way to engage a surprise attack than at a time when the North is opening up more talks, adhering to concessions, and playing nice guy for a while. I just hope they don't use nuclear weapons.
Wong Fei Hong, Korea


The regime is finally buckling under the pressure brought on by years of economic decline

Byung-Moon Cho, South Korean in London
Changes are already occurring in the North. They have scrapped food rationing and started to pay salaries. These are first significant changes, with the Northern regime, showing signs of "embracing" the market ideal. I think that the regime is finally buckling under the pressure brought on by years of economic decline and recent natural disasters.
Byung-Moon Cho, South Korean in London

For better or for worse, they are being starved into submission - by their own doing. I wouldn't hold my breath for real change for quite some time until Kim's government is ready to admit abject failure.
Brian Rosen, USA

The one thing Kim Jong-il et. al. are interested in doing is preserving their powers, and that means the status quo. In their minds, change = capitulation, and they would lose their privileges. They offer just enough so-called concessions to keep the South and the US interested. That's carefully balanced by naval incursions and anti-US rhetoric. Wouldn't want to appear too keen now, would we?
Richard Selby, UK


The country has remained completely oblivious to the changes that have taken place in Eastern Europe, China and Russia

Miguel Jonsson, Andalucia, Spain
The status quo in North Korea is fully capable of remaining the same as long as Kim Jong Il remains in power. The country has remained completely oblivious to the changes that have taken place in Eastern Europe, China and Russia. Having visited the DPRK on two occasions and seen the God-like indoctrination of the great and the dear leaders that all citizens are subjected to from birth, it is hard to imagine any kind of uprising similar to what happened in Eastern Europe. You have a country of 23 million people with barely any other skills than plentiful knowledge of the lives and history Of Kim Snr. and Jr. No real change will take place in North Korea as long as "the dear leader" remains in power.
Miguel Jonsson, Andalucia, Spain

I think that change in Korea will be inevitable. Nothing stays the same, and this Cold War Relic [North Korea] will have to change and eventually reunify with South Korea. I would hope for a peaceful resolution, but I think it is impossible
Roberto, Florida USA


North Korea's international relations can only be held back by one force

Shawn McLeod, Canada
North Korea's international relations can only be held back by one force. The USA. They have always had a dislike for anything Communist and I see the government headed by George W as being the first sign of open mindedness towards North Korea. Either be open minded or have them remain as an "axis of evil", and the USA chose the right option. From what I know, the Koreas have wanted to hang out with each other for years... who put that border there anyways, oh yeah, the USA...
Shawn McLeod, Canada

Stop talking to these extortionists North Koreans. Put them on notice that they've got to embrace democracy, a market-based economy and demonstrate a desire to live peacefully with her neighbours before we show them any good will. They are not entitled to anything.
Sam, USA


If North Korea is willing to talk, we must give them some credit

Suresh Gnasegarah, Malaysia
If North Korea is showing the willingness to talk, we must give them some respect and credit. Change is not only going to come from inside North Korea, but also from acceptance in the international community.
Suresh Gnasegarah, Malaysia

Since there is no way North Korea can get economic help under its present guise, it needs to pretend it is changing to receive aid. I cannot see it working.
Seji Yim, South Korea

In my opinion the North Korean government is hoping to get more aid while staying in power and deceiving its people. Change will come only when people the present government is ousted by the people, as happened in Eastern European countries more than 10 years ago.
Enomis, USA

I actually have more hope of some type of peaceful negotiated reform in Korea than in Iraq. I think the hard line that President Bush has taken has actually stimulated these talks but I know many would not want to give him any credit.
Tom, USA

Change is coming whether the North Korean government wills it or not. Perhaps the government is hoping to emulate the Chinese model, i.e. allowing economic liberalization without letting go the reins of power. I don't personally think such a formula will work very well in North Korea because the people have been suppressed much longer than the Chinese and their country is much more destitute than was China when Deng began the transformation about 20 years ago. Ultimately the North and South will be re-united, in my opinion. The real question is whether the North will be absorbed by the South, as happened in Germany, or remain somewhat autonomous.
Marten King, USA

I don't think that change is on the way. When North Korea regains its strength it will close its doors again. Unless the North Koreans realise that democracy is needed change will never come.
Anthony Martin, UK


It is deeply divided between numerous factions

Joseph Steinberg, South Korea
In the absence of any hard data, the only safe hypothesis about North Korea's government is that it is deeply divided between numerous factions. North Korea seems to recognise the value of public relations, and uses these foreign meetings, festivals, and Kim Jong-il, to advertise its new attitude. Without consistent policy improvements, this looks like just another plea for economic handouts.
Joseph Steinberg, South Korea

In the absence of any hard data, the only safe hypothesis about North Korea's government is that it is deeply divided between numerous factions. North Korea seems to recognise the value of public relations, and uses these foreign meetings, festivals, and Kim Jong-il, to advertise its new attitude. Without consistent policy improvements, this looks like just another plea for economic handouts.
Joseph Steinberg, South Korea

My father was stationed in South Korea many times from the 70s and early 80s. Having accompanied him twice as a dependent child I still remember the constant threats that North Korea made towards the South. It seemed like every other week everyone was on alert expecting an attack. Flash forward to today and talking to friends currently stationed there, North Korea is still doing the same.
Sam, USA

Labelling North Korea as part of an "axis of evil" was undiplomatic and extremely dangerous. Comments of this kind give rise to anti-American feeling, fuelling resentment and creating the conditions that encourage terrorism. The Secretary of State is no doubt trying to calm the situation down, and one can only hope he succeeds in doing so.
Mark Schofield, France

The two Koreas are surrounded by the four major superpowers, namely, USA, China, Japan and Russia. As a Korean, I'm just wondering which one of them really wants the two Koreas to be reunified irrespective of the expected one or two political or economic systems, in the name of one country.
Myung-Jun Lee, Korea


No government wants to cower on the world stage

Chris, USA
So they want more aid? Give it to them. They are people too, and any kindness shown might be seen by the North Koreans as compassion rather than weakness. As for the North's comments about the US being the "kingpin of evil", who can blame them when Bush placed them in the "axis of evil"? North Korea merely wants to show that it can give as good as it gets. What country wouldn't want to defy the bully? No government wants to cower on the world stage.
Chris, USA

There are two parties to a relationship. North Korea has changed somewhat over the last decade, the USA has not. If anything, the USA has become ever more belligerent, bossy and unaccommodating. It is true that North Korea has a long way to go before it merits normal relations, but every time they offer a finger, the USA asks for an arm and a leg. In such an environment, I do not see how we are going to achieve normalisation. It seems to me that the USA thrives on having enemies and is reluctant to let go of this enemy by making peace with them.
Tony, USA

The naval battle not too long ago shows that North Korea has a long way to go. There are still too many of the older generation that want to still see the two sides divided. I see the North just seeking the aid and as soon as they feel comfortable with their situation, they will close their borders to the world again. The curtain that separates North and South is slowly opening, but it will take a long time. Hopefully in my lifetime.
Russ, USA


We should not reward their communist policies by pretending a change is coming

Shaun Thomas, Ohio, USA
North Korea just wants to obtain more US aid and has no commitment to change. While the US should not have antagonised an already "chilled feeling" in relations with North Korea, we should not reward their communist policies by pretending a change is coming. If we commit to saying they are part of an "axis of evil" I don't want my tax dollars going to support a government we openly do not agree with. Another classic example of say one thing, do another from our government.
Shaun Thomas, Ohio, USA

I don't think that great changes are on the way, especially considering that the Great Leader Kim Il Sung is still technically the figurehead in charge of the DPRK despite being dead. It is possible that the moves are related to aid, but other reasons may include part of the effort to reduce tensions with the south after the recent maritime clash, and to distance the DPRK from the "axis of evil" tag, particularly at a time when speculation about military action against Iraq is running high.
Nigel, Australia

Real change will only come about when the inevitable happens and this dinosaur of a state implodes. When the end comes we can only hope it's a relatively peaceful transition. The prospect of a North in its death throes, lashing out with weapons of mass destruction are frightening. Either way the reconstruction that will have to be carried out largely by South Korea will be immense. It's fortunate that the Korean people collectively are up to the job.
Steve M, UK

Why must we prolong the Cold war in this region.We failed to prevent the union of Vietnam and now we are trying to stop the Koreans unite as a nation.
Khalid Rahim, Canada


The Bush administration rejected these positive developments when it capriciously named N Korea as a member of the mythical "axis of evil" states earlier this year

Ralph Sato, USA
It is generally not appreciated that the Clinton administration made considerable progress in diplomatic negotiations with N Korea to stop its nuclear weapons program after tensions in 1994 nearly resulted in a second Korean war. Progress to reduce tensions between S Korea and N Korea also got a boost in the summer of 2000 when the two presidents held a summit in Pyongyang. The Bush administration rejected these positive developments when it capriciously named N Korea as a member of the mythical "axis of evil" states earlier this year.
Ralph Sato, USA


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