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Sounds,04 Jun 2025,40 mins,

SeriesHow to Be in Love

Stephen Fry: From 15 years of celibacy to finding love

Rylan: How to Be...
Contains strong language and some scenes of a sexual nature.

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Rylan sits down with actor, writer and President of Mind, Stephen Fry, who discusses how love has helped shaped his life. From the impossibly high standards set by his parents’ relationship, to the impact of living through the AIDS crisis, and a self-imposed 15-year stretch of celibacy. Plus, having recently celebrated 10 years of marriage, Stephen shares how being in an age-gap relationship has unexpectedly introduced him to the worlds of wrestling and rap. How to Be in Love – Rylan has loved passionately, lost messily, and is now ready to rediscover what ‘love’ is. But does he need to look at love differently before he can find it again? Host: Rylan Assistant Producer: Ben Johns Producer: Katie Grant Production Manager: Francesca Bassett Executive Producers: Barnaby Coughlin and Arron Fellows Music: Miguel d'Oliveira Assistant Commissioner: Will Drysdale Commissioning Editor: Rhian Roberts A Mindhouse production for BBC Sounds

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