Animals and Anthropomorphism, Nadine Gordimer Tribute, Prison

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Matthew Sweet looks at humans and animals. Novelist Karen Joy Fowler talks about her book We Are All Completely Beside Ourselves which looks at the consequences of introducing a primate into the family and Matthew discusses the human tendency to anthropomorphise with animal studies experts Susan McHugh and Giovanni Aloi. From Cape Town the South African man of the theatre Athol Fugard pays tribute to his late friend and fellow activist the author Nadine Gordimer. And Matthew asks David Wilson and Gerard Lemos, commentators on the penal system, whether there is an alternative to prison or if prison is the alternative.