Welcome to the BBC Television blog

Would love to know more about what BBC is doing with its audience, rather than for. There seem to be some interesting programmes for younger people - First Time Voters - for instance. BBC Trust reported that BBC was reaching the 16-34 year olds with mainstream programming but that BBC Switch could have been more effective, and interactivity was rather expensive. That was in late 2008. What has happened now?

I would just like to know if there has been a third series of Survivors commissioned - i hope so!

Reactive moderation is good for this blog. Saying that I seen alot of blogs appearing lately on this BBC site. Are you thinking of doing a blog for BBC4?

The BBC TV blog - blimey that's a huge scope - will watch this one develop with interest

Bookmarked the #bbctv blog

Television shows like Survivors are all about fantasy. You ask me to imagine a world with 99% of the population dead and the other 1% trying to find a way to survive. While watching the show I get to know the characters and suspend my perception of reality from commerical to commercial for an hour, maybe even for a whole week until the next episode. Thanks to your writers, directors, actors, and production staff, I and other viewers are able to do this week after week. And trust me, you want us to do that...you want us to relate to the characters 110%. No TV show can be successful unless its audience becomes entrenched maybe even enmeshed, if only for that hour.



So why then do your moronic marketing and advertising people force me to face the fact that all of this is completely unreal...it's all pretend...by having the actors come out of character and discuss their characters in a commercial for the show during the show?!!!! They break the 'spell' that the entire cast and crew has worked so hard to weave. And when they do it smack dab in the middle of the show, they put the actors in a position of delivering the message to their fans "Hey, this is all a game...."



Your marketeers have done it with other shows...shows that have been short-lived. Hmmmm, wonder why. It's as if you sabotage your own shows!?!!!!!!????!!??



Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

It would be good to have some clarity about what this blog is really about.



It is really just going to be about programmes? It seems to be so far.



The "about" says

"Get the views of BBC bosses, presenters, scriptwriters and cast from the inside of the shows. Read reviews and opinions and share yours on all things TV - your favourite episodes, live programmes, digital channels, the schedule and everything else."



That last bit seems a bit open ended. Is that really going to be the case?



For example, by far the main topic of discussion with regard to BBC HD on the BBC Internet Blog as been about the Picture Quality of BBC HD, and technical issues surrounding that. It seems inappropriate to dicuss that under "internet", so I do assume future debates on that topic would move here?

Thank you Jana, as you've not mentioned it (and there are no links to it), can I flag up the Points Of View Television boards?



We've been discussing television there for a few years now. It would be great if you and your colleagues were to contribute to the discussions about television there too. It's all the BBC after all.



The board can be found here:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview/F1951566



Faye

Ha ha! I just got a message saying I had said the same thing as Faye in message eight - even though I can't see it, and I'm a different poster!



So that's how the blog differs from the board - more censorship here!



Seriously, are the years-old board and this new blog going to be linked?

New member? How am I a new member?



This blog mirrors the TV Board where I've been posting for years, and I've posted to a plethora of BBC blogs, largely thanks to that very same TV Board!

Does this blog mark the death knell of the POV messageboards? They are much more user friendly than the blog format.

Faye Tsar said:

"can I flag up the Points Of View Television boards?

We've been discussing television there for a few years now. It would be great if you and your colleagues were to contribute to the discussions about television there too."





Points of View is not relevant in any serious discussion about the BBC, it's just a messageboard for people that have nothing better to do in their life than complain about insignificant things. You couldn't possibly have a serious debate there about the direction the BBC is going, the programmes they're making. In these times of austerity and cost-cutting, POV should be the first thing to go.



Blogs with input from programme makers are the way forward, the opportunity for all people to get involved and participate in the debate. I look forward to reading more.

Points of View is not relevant in any serious discussion about the BBC, it's just a messageboard for people that have nothing better to do in their life than complain about insignificant things. You couldn't possibly have a serious debate there about the direction the BBC is going, the programmes they're making.



There's nothing POVers would like more than for BBC employees and programme-makers to engage with us on the boards.



Instead of doing that, they set up a blog whose remit seems to be what the POV boards have been doing for years !



Why start from scratch, when there are already many people talkimg about these things on this very site!?



Blogs with input from programme makers are the way forward, the opportunity for all people to get involved and participate in the debate.



From what I've seen of the BBC blogs, they really only move when the bloggers are involved, otherwise the blog stalls or ends up in an embarrassing "where are they?" conversation between a few optimists. Usually they peter out into nothing or get shut down.



Messageboards, on the other hand, are vibrant, lively places that do not rely on a couple of individuals to get a conversation going.



Why is this blog not linked to POV?

message12:

Points of View is not relevant in any serious discussion about the BBC, it's just a messageboard for people that have nothing better to do in their life than complain about insignificant things. You couldn't possibly have a serious debate there about the direction the BBC is going, the programmes they're making. In these times of austerity and cost-cutting, POV should be the first thing to go.>>





whereas on a blog that no-one visits and the original blogger doesn't reply it is better?

12. At 2:27pm on 03 Mar 2010, Esperanto wrote:

Blogs with input from programme makers are the way forward, the opportunity for all people to get involved and participate in the debate. I look forward to reading more.>



esperanto, can you point out these blogs where programme makers have engaged with the audience? I have not seen any blogs where there is a DIALOGUE, and most are merely fire and forget blogs with maybe 3 or 4 comments from us.

Hello Jana, I contribute to the Points of View TV board as well, it would be nice if you could come and talk to us sometime.



The message boards are much easier to navigate than blogs, and also easier to find !

12. At 2:27pm on 03 Mar 2010, Esperanto wrote:

"Points of View is not relevant in any serious discussion about the BBC, it's just a messageboard for people that have nothing better to do in their life than complain about insignificant things."

That you believe this, is your loss and probably the POV messageboard's gain.

That most of the few contributions on this introductory blog appear to be from escapees from POV making a temporary visit, speaks volumes about the popularity of the blog format as a means of useful communication. One wonders if the aim is to stifle debate - surely not!

I'm afraid I don't really see the point of having a TV blog either when we have a dedicated message board already - could someone explain the rationale behind this move, please?

Thank you for your reply Esperanto, once again a first time user has a go at POV users - we're getting used to it.



On POV you get a mix of people, from all walks of life, discussing all sorts of programmes - is it representative, probably not but more than blogs I'd say.



If you can't be bothered to find "any serious discussion about the BBC" on the POV boards, frankly I can't be bothered to show you any.



Can you point me to some of the superior discussions on the blogs, and particularly discussions you have contributed to? If you have indeed made any.



Look forward to your second post.

Is it just me, or is the layout of this blog worse than the others?



PS. Does pre-mod last forever on this blog?

Is it just me, or is the layout of this blog worse than the others?



PS. Does pre-mod last forever on this blog?

"Points of View is not relevant in any serious discussion about the BBC, it's just a messageboard for people that have nothing better to do in their life than complain about insignificant things. You couldn't possibly have a serious debate there about the direction the BBC is going, the programmes they're making."



Pity you feel that way Esparanto, because over on The BBC section, there are plenty of posters who welcome serious debate.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview/F1951574

Jana, are you hosting this blog? Will there be a dialogue? Can we engage with you about BBC vision output? Will you be replying to our comments and suggestions? What is the scope of this blog and the TV Blog?



It does appear to have the potential to be a free for all. Good job it isn't publicized anywhere! If the Dr Who fans find it they'll swamp the blog with posts - it will then render the blog like a gearbox full of treacle - no hope for engagement.

LOL Officer Dibble

Is there going to be any feedback at all? Any questions that have been asked going to be answered?

While we wait (comment 25) this has just come to mind from Anil's comment 4 about the huge scope of this blog.



At the risk of seeming a party-pooper, I do foresee issues of 'user-friendliness' arising as and if the blog develops with people commenting on all the different programmes available. Of course, on a message board, there are separate and identifiable threads for that - but on here, will it not turn into a mish-mash of unrelated comments which will prove harder and harder to plough through as the blog grows? How will readers even start to locate the comments that are relevant to the programme/issue they want to discuss out of, say, one thousand comments in this format?



This is not a criticism of blogging in itself, there is a place for these. I just think the scope of this particular one IS actually too big for the way blogs are set up, and would be better served by what we have in place now - the message boards!

Thanks for your comprehensive and friendly response Fiona. :)

Hi Fiona,



Thanks for your replies - much appreciated.



another good point - I've added a link to the Points Of View boards from the right hand side of the TV blog.



Thanks for that.



It might be worthwhile putting a link to this blog on the POV main menu under the two boards. You'll get some grief at first (we've had a few bad blog experiences ... ;-)), but maybe the teo cam work alongside each other ...?

Thanks Fiona, for your reply.



As Cricket says it would be good if we could have a link to here on the POV boards. To get things going, a post on the main "BBC Television" page from a member of BBC staff who posts here would encourage POV users to contribute here.

Sorry, spelling mistakes galore in my last post!



Should have read: maybe the two can work alongside each other .

Just testing - I seem to be having a few problems viewing all the comments on blogs at the moment. :)

With reference to Earlybird's comments at message 12.



"Points of View is not relevant in any serious discussion about the BBC, it's just a messageboard for people that have nothing better to do in their life than complain about insignificant things. You couldn't possibly have a serious debate there about the direction the BBC is going, the programmes they're making. In these times of austerity and cost-cutting, POV should be the first thing to go.



Blogs with input from programme makers are the way forward, the opportunity for all people to get involved and participate in the debate. I look forward to reading more."



Several points arise....



1. The POV message board would not be irrelevant if the BBC were to actually take notice of comments from viewers concerned enough to make posts.

2. It is a broad generalisation to say that complaints made on the POV board are insignificant. To the people who make them, they are not.

3. There are many serious debates about where the BBC is going - the pity is that there is NEVER any informed comment or response from the BBC . Why not?

4. In austere times the LAST thing that should be chopped is the POV board as from its postings, the BBC might actually get a clue as to where OUR money is being wasted and why their viewing figures are rubbish compared with only a few years ago.

5. The Blog format is not conducive to debate and can only hold one topic at a time. The POV board is a far better, user friendly, multi-subject communication system far better than this blog format.



Finally, the POV board is there for BBC viewers (who are the funding source for the Corporation) to communicate their likes and dislikes. Wake up BBC. These are your CUSTOMERS. Take note of what they are saying or you will lose out to the commercial channels who do listen to their audience. Get your heads out of whatever orrifice they are currently buried in and take note before you wither on the vine.

Another BBC blog I have found from a non BBC site - what is it with you at the BBC??? Do you never advertise your 'services'.

POV Board is actually quite difficult to find.

I've been searching for some place to post messages for BBC programmes for a while and I was never aware of it, until a friend of mine told me about it.

I used to write on DigitalSpy.

I think the POV board should be advertised a bit better

and of course the key advantage of the POV boards is that you have a listing of the threads you have contributed to, and when they have been replied to. Blogs have no mechanism for keeping you informed of any dialogue.

Sopt on there Officer Dibble - it's very difficult to follow blogs.

BBC1 Sunday,7th March, The Age of Money; I was very surprised that there was no mention of Sir Isac Newton. His formidable work at the Mint from the late 17th. century. He rescued the monetary system and recommended the use of Paper Bills as an addition to coins. His keen analytical mind saw solutions and solved problems which paved the way to England's future success. I am indebted to Thomas Levenson's book "Newton and the Counterfeiter" which opened my eyes to this,equally impressive, period in the great man's life.

A few minutes ago I posted a serious Blog about a recent BBC TV Programme which was shown as under moderation.

It has now disappeared, Why ? I am an infrequent Blogger so this is discouraging. It would be nice to know what the moderator dislikes about my blogs.

Caretarious

I think everyone is going through pre-mod on some of the blogs at the moment Caretarious. Probably something to do with the new log-in system. Your posting will only disappear if the Moderator or Host thinks that it broke the House Rules.

I appreciate that 'Question Time' with an all woman audience was broadcast to commemorate International Women's Day but didn't anyone appreciate how patronising this was of women and insulting to men. To my mind it was a gimmick which added nothing to the progamme.

I was sad to hear of the death of Peter Graves. I recall his pre-Mission Impossible days.



This was when he starred in Fury and Whiplash.

Re:39 I had a similar problem with the One Show blog.

Certain invidviduals could take the mickey, insult and disparage as much as they like. A surreal satire answering the disparagement came under the banner of swearing, racism and that liable to cause offence.



I am new to this blog, so accept the wait for moderation. I expect your infrequency did not help, but I cannot explain complete disappearance. There seems to be bewildering double standards.

Message 12, esperanto, sorry now earlybird, any answer to the responses you've had to your post?



Look forward to a link to one of your 'serious debates', they do exist don't they?

I know it was a repeat last night, but nevertheless it was interesting

to note that in Eggheads CJ had not heard of certain science fiction authors.



One, Michael Moorcock, used to be a honorary member of Hawkwind.

Never been on here before, and thought I'd have a look in. It doesn't actually seem as though a lot of tv chat is going on. More discussing the pros and cons of the blog itself.

I'd be interested to know if the PTB think that the Television blogs are of benefit to them? It's just that there's not many comments on any of the blogs.

Amy pond is great - what is the fuss about!!



My mum who is 80 thought Amy was great the same as we did - and if she doesn't think Amy is too sexy or tarty I can assure you she isn't.



Carry on Amy you are a great companion to a super new Doctor

I feel I'm in the wrong place,what are you all on about! all I want to do is complain about certain programmes that I feel are a waste of time and money. Please point me in the right direction.

If someone actually read the comments on some POV threads, they might get an idea of our viepoints. There is a wealth of opinion on there.