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Derek BatemanDerek Bateman|16:30 UK time, Friday, 8 July 2011

We have two strong Scottish stories to tell this week which I hope will keep you hooked. We return to the bank bail-out question which has produced a kind of mantra in some political quarters which goes:

In an independent Scotland, Edinburgh would have faced the bill for the whole Scottish banking bail-out (circa £470b - although not in cash) and as a result would have been bankrupted like Ireland, Greece and Iceland. Our interview with the professor of economics at St Andrews University Andrew Hughes Hallett (on a rather scratchy line from Western Australia) indicated that was far from the case. He said the convention was that bail-outs were proportionate to the amount of business done in each country... so Scotland would pay 10 per cent and England 90 per cent because that's where most of the RBS and HBOS business is done.

We have been seeking other views from banking experts and made contact with two eminent professors of international banking. They don't agree on all points but they do share the Hughes Hallett doctrine that the bail-out would be divided between countries, probably through inter-governmental negotiation. After all, the impact of sending all the bills to a brass plaque in Edinburgh would be the collapse of RBS which is precisely what the bail-out was designed to avoid. The knock-on effect would have been ruinous to the rest of the UK which any case, has been in receipt of tens of billions in Scottish bank corporation tax over the years.

And didn't David Cameron give the game away this week when he said the reason Britain helped bail-out the Irish banks was because our economy is so deeply integrated with theirs? That is self-interest. And isn't Scotland's economy even more tied into England's than is Ireland's? So we hear from the big brains of banking and the man who was the Treasury helm during the bail-out, Alistair Darling.

Also we remember the 1999 annexation of Scottish fisheries waters off the east coast, a strange affair which seemed to take everyone by surprise and has never been fully explained to the critics. We ask if moving the maritime line for fishing also gives England the oil rights. Was it all a canny move to deprive a future independent Scotland some of the vast undersea reserves? Or is that more conspiracy, baloney, that gives the cybernats a bad name? We hear from an expert in maritime law. Join me tomorrow at 8.



Last week we invited the Secretary of State, Michael Moore to come on the programme to respond to Professor Andrew Hughes Hallett. He wasn't available. But his office did send a statement which was read out in part on last week's programme. Here it is in full.

STATEMENT FROM THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE RECEIVED FRIDAY 1ST JULY.

The Secretary of State was simply pointing out that a Scottish annual budget of around £30 billion a year could not cope with a £470 billion banking crisis package on its own (Source: Scottish Parliament SPICe briefing).

The scale of that crisis was so great that it could only be effectively dealt with by the resources of the United Kingdom as a whole. The idea that the Royal Bank of Scotland is primarily an English institution as far as the allocation of that debt is concerned is simply wrong - the UK as a whole shares and spreads economic risk, as it does rewards.

The GERS figures simply assign a population share of the bail out to Scotland - around 10 per cent - on the basis that the whole of the UK has benefited equally from the stabilisation of the UK financial system. That does not address the issue of whether an independent Scotland would have been able to save the banks.

The same GERS figures published recently also showed that Scotland had a £9 billion deficit including all of the oil revenue.

One of the lessons of the crisis was that smaller states with banks with big balance sheets failed to cope with significant consequences for their citizens (Iceland/Ireland).

We would contest the suggestion that state boundaries would have isolated any country from the consequences of the crisis or of the failure of one of its banks, especially one more than 15 times the size of that country's budget.

This was an international crisis with examples of the trading arms and subsidiaries of banks around the world contributing to their collapse in their home state - at which point the state had to step in at the expense of their citizens.



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  • Comment number 1.

    Derek, your last paragraph particularly interests me, I believe this is part of the answer



    THE North East is at the dawn of a new “green” industrial era which has the potential to create thousands of jobs after a newly-created business unveiled plans to recover the North Sea’s untapped coal reserves.



    Newcastle-based business Five-Quarter says there is enough coal left under the sea to “power the world for five years” using a process known as underground coal gasification.



    London-based investment bank Numis Securities has been appointed to help raise an initial £30m to launch the production process.



    Five-Quarter hopes to be producing energy within two years. Within a decade, with the operation in full production, it believes it will be employing thousands of people directly and indirectly.



    And with one eye on the region’s mining heritage Five-Quarter says it will establish a trust, using a proportion of its profits to fund improvements and economic regeneration work in the region’s rundown former mining communities.



    Scientists at Newcastle University have been working on underground coal gasification for over five years and have now teamed up with finance experts to unlock the energy potential of the region’s remaining coal seams.



    Newcastle University Professor of Practice Harry Bradbury, a director of Five-Quarter, said: “This is a very exciting project for the region which has the potential to create thousands of jobs in the recovery of gas, the construction and operation of the power plants, but also downstream in engineering, manufacturing and support services.”



    Last month Five-Quarter secured approval from the UK Coal Authority to recover reserves in a 400sq km area of the North Sea, stretching from the mouth of the Tyne up to Alnmouth.



    It paid over £10,000, with the Coal Authority allowed to take royalties as the two billion tonnes of coal reserves are recovered.



    Prof Bradbury said: “This has been cooking for four years using our own resources and support from One North East.



    “We are now at the stage where we need major investment which will come through a flotation or private equity investment or a combination of both.



    “We have advised Numis Securities to draw up a strategy with a view to floating on the market by the end of the year.



    “This is a decade-plus project which will involves significant investment. We are also hopeful of receiving cash assistance from Brussels.”







    Read More https://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-news/2011/07/02/plans-unveiled-for-a-new-green-industrial-era-61634-28980566/



    There can be little or no doubt that this theft of Scotland's waters was designed to be the thin end of the wedge!

    How so you may ask... simple, look at the coalfields of Fife, Midlothian and Northumbria, look also at the work of britishcoalgasification.co.uk and finally gaze ye mighty upon .......YEROSTIGAZ!!!

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