Thursday 17 November 2011

DEAR SUE - OH HOW I HATE TO WRITE

If you neglect the electrical component in weather, you will not make sense of the current tendency to local 'deluge'.

I am persuaded: Just as electricity 'drives' the Cosmos (a paradigm resisted by orthodoxy) Planet Earth 'runs' on electricity, and the charge on a cloud influences its capacity either to hold or release water.

So: Not so much 'Climate Change' as Cosmic Change.

I don't think that anybody who actively participates and interacts with the Newsnight blog actually takes anything Susan Watts say's seriously any more, and she wont be referring to the real expert in this field Piers Corbyn either. Perhaps the result of her report tonight will be yet another desperate episode of warmist propaganda before the latest IPCC report comes out and gets closer to the scientific truth about climate change in that there is no proven link to CO2 man made or otherwise !

I wonder if the CIA and its associates have mobilised any regional "assets" in Syria? History does have a tendency to rhyme, somewhat:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

And could this just be a ruse to draw in / intimidate Iran ?

Go long on false-flag manufacturers!

'Susan Watts is looking at the role of climate change in extreme weather events and whether it is possible to pin point which events are man-made and which not.

This should be good.

Will we again be in Ethical Man's kitchen, with a Lord, a rocket scientist, a climate change Minister and a carefully selected public calling out 'events' to put in the 'is' or 'isn't' box, to solve with a washing up bottle and sticky back plastic?

Not sure this is adding to the cred rating much, guys.

'we are looking at the Occupy protests two months after they began in New York'

The obsession with this, given the 300,000,000 to 500 numbers being toyed with is, of course, still chugging along on the last thread.

Maybe Laurie Penny is again available?

"IN ETHICAL MAN'S KITCHEN" Tune: Mother Kelly's Doorstep. (#4)

Oh good grief Junkk! I had managed to forget that unspeakable travesty of 'science' broadcasting. Isn't there a law against re-using materials to be recycled?

Can't stop - must rush out and buy shares in False Flag makers.

Whistling all the way . . .

VIRGIN TERRITORY

Wasn't Virgin behind the 'London Energy' mis-selling?

I suppose "that was then" like Nick Clegg's signature on a pledge?

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legalise drugs campaign.

an ex spook high as a kite?

alcohol is legal yet there is still massive organised crime smuggling it in and or selling toxic fake ones. Put that in yer bong and smoke it.

bbc talking about climate is always a depressing sight as real science is steamrollered under pseudo science, sound bites and trendy images.

has the worm turned? or will it be another punch in the same place on the bruised arm? i can hardly bare to watch?

"Transparency" - most of the time that you will see or hear this word being used it will be disingenuous and here's the reason why.
Politicians have picked up a buzzword from what little they've heard or learned from Modern Philosophy (which focuses upon how we talk about and manage the world via languages because that is the medium through which we manage our way in the world).

The kicker is that our Natural Languages (English, french, Russian etc) unlike scientific or programming languages, are NOT transparent or truth-functional, in fact they are known to be inherently opaque because of the verbs and poorly quantified nouns which defines them. This is why we avoid them in engineering and science.

So, the next time anyone sees or hears a politicians abusing the term "transparent", just remember, they are not behaving truth-functionally, and if they know this, one can't trust them, and if they don't, it's even worse, as they probably don't know what they are talking about.

“Plus as Fifa President Sepp Blatter denies that football has a problem with on field racism, prompting Professional Footballers' Association chief Gordon Taylor to call for him to resign, we ask how racist is English football?”

Anyone who listened to Radio 4’s Today programme this morning would have clearly heard to the sports presenter PROMPTING/CALLING Gordon Taylor to AGREE that Sepp Blatter should resign. He was AMBUSHED.

Their is an agenda to all this.

"Plus as Fifa President Sepp Blatter denies that football has a problem with on field racism, prompting Professional Footballers' Association chief Gordon Taylor to call for him to resign, we ask how racist is English football?"

Just WHO is playing the race card in this story?

Which trio in the England World Cup bid team were scorned, if not humiliated, during the 2018 World Cup award ceremony late last year?

Especially as the UK MSM were led to believe that the England bid was 'in the bag'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_2018_FIFA_World_Cup_bid

By the way, Iran's Ahmadinejad backed Qatar's winning bid for the 2022 World Cup bid that was declared successful on the same night that the England bid failed.

Trust me, Blatter's days as FIFA president are numbered.

MuseV lined to a right wing article on Krugman which contained the
following: "Oh, and Canada, which has universal health care and much more generous aid to the poor than the United States, has weathered the crisis better than we have. The euro crisis, then, says nothing about the sustainability of the welfare state."

This is quite a misleading article in many ways as the Telegraph author is attacking Big Government whilst Krugman talks of "Liberalism" in the US sense of pseudo-socialism as if it was socialist. Such economists have no time for true Command Economies, they peddle Social Democracy (Left-Wing Communism as Lenin pejoratively called it). This has long been the devious tactic of the New Left.

Two points to bear in mind as you read the article. First, Sweden has limited immigration and so is till a homogeneous gene pool like Finland and Norway. Second, Canada has very tight immigration controls and is a new country. The PIIGS have born the brunt of USA post-war Libertarianism (Social Democracy) and are the geographic gates into Europe for migrants. Immigration is abused to break statism.

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Baron Layard's wife heads the Lords committee on decriminalising drugs.
She was a social worker in the 80s. Today, Baron Layard is a happiness economist.

"Recently, Layard has shifted his attention to the study of what has since come to be known as Happiness economics."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Layard,_Baron_Layard

Note, this is NOT Behavioural Economics (which is all about impulsive, addictive behaviour and its risks and management). Even Nudge is NOT Behavioural Economics. Those peddling "Nudge" just nicked it and re-spun it in Libertarian language!

Behavioural Economics is intolerant of this Libertarian nonsense. Beware of gatherers aka foragers for they are venally acquisitive and largely unregulated (uncivilized).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15771029

Scared Libertarian?


Ed Miliband calls for 'more responsible' capitalism in attack on bankers' pay

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8897055/Ed-Miliband-calls-for-more-responsible-capitalism-in-attack-on-bankers-pay.html

He may be just a tad too late.

nautonier wrote: "For every eugenic type theory there are always examples of those who having had it all against them from their birth - climb a mountain and achieve when just about everyone else has written them off."

There are no credible examples of people being able to do things which their biology did not determine, at least, not without external technological substitution/support.

"That is why most of this 'cognitive type' pigeon holing twaddle really is absolute bunkum."

Everything you don't believe is bunkum it seems. What are your criteria for deciding that though? Cognitive talk is indeed often twaddle precisely because it is solipsistic. You need to *discriminate* the difference between egocentric referenced judgments and allocentric referenced behaviours. At present it all may seem the same to you, perhaps because you don't know when to listen carefully, or look.

Language is public, we all learn it publicly, so anyone who tells others not to tell them how to think or what to believe, misunderstands how they socially behave. Imagine students saying the sorts of things which you are saying (and some do). What would they go to school or university for? After a while teachers give up on such people as incorrigible as they just argue Oppositionally Defiantly. They throw tantrums when they don't have their own way, even when their own ways don't work.

As an elaboration on "transparency", listen carefully to BBC reporters like Flanders and Peston. Listen out to how much of their own personal views they articulate and how little they actually report which is factual.

As I listen to them I note them commenting on what other people allegedly "believed" and why they did what they did based on what they "thought" etc. Once one spots this one begins to see how they don't report, but make the news by making material up, and they're encouraged to do so by their anchor woman or man and readers too.

It's theatre, and it's part of an epidemic of nonsense which has had dire consequences as this is what people call "the market". These people don't care about that, as they keep getting attention and they get paid for it too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Peston

They don't see what's wrong with it and say so, that does not mean there isn't anything wrong. It just means they don't see anything wrong.
That's why they have so much confidence. They are rewarded for confidence, just as Greenspan was. See The Warning. Another term for it is gall or charm.

This story released today in the MSM was a leader story...

Chinese man sets himself on fire in Tiananmen Square
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8893337/Chinese-man-sets-himself-on-fire-in-Tiananmen-Square.html

Yet this story about an American father self immolating in front of a court house earlier this year barely scratched the MSM surface...
https://www.ibtimes.com/articles/164827/20110617/thomas-ball-self-immolate-child-support.htm

Strange days we live in...eh?

"On Wednesday a group of renegade Syrian soldiers from the so-called Free Syrian Army targeted a compound run by air force intelligence in the Damascus suburb of Harasta.

The deadly pre-dawn raid, along with other ambushes, has prompted Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to claim that the situation in Syria is beginning to resemble civil war."

As another statist nation is illegally subjected to Libertarian regime change, Russia and China stand aside showcasing this to their populations and allies.

Matters can only get worse for those contriving all this, as the rest of the world watches with growing disrespect. The clever players will let it develop so the predators hoist themselves with their own petards....

I was just speculating about the proposed public sector strikes at the end of this month. It just shows the ten bob fat cats all up that the average turnout in all the strike ballots has only been around 33%, and even if three to one did back strike action, its hardly a sound mandate. I suspect that the government will make political mincemeat of the Unions, and take an ample opportunity to introduce legislation to ban strikes if less than 50% of the membership actually turn out to vote ?

JunkkMale wrote: "This should be good.

Will we again be in Ethical Man's kitchen, with a Lord, a rocket scientist, a climate change Minister and a carefully selected public calling out 'events' to put in the 'is' or 'isn't' box, to solve with a washing up bottle and sticky back plastic?"

This is happening largely because many of the people at the BBC now have inflated qualifications and so they can't see the problem with what they present, and how they go about sourcing it. If one tries to point out what's wrong, they'll dismiss it as unfamiliar which they take to be grounds for dismissing it. This is now a major problem, and it's everywhere across the Libertarian democracies. Older people can see this better than the young.

Arrivistist wrote: "The huge problem for anyone with an investment in world peace is that the Zionists have had so much power over the global media and economy and politics for so long now that they are in a collective delusional state.(It would happen to us if we had silenced any viewpoint we didn`t want to hear for over sixty years.) They are in great danger from their neighbours but the proof that they are now delusional comes from their paranoid and violent reaction to outsiders expressing concern and suggesting they come back to the West!"

TOWIZ coming to Channel 5 etc soon? More vulgar than TOWIE entitlement, will there will be phosphorus and M107 shelling of all who "dictatorially" thwart their Libertarian ways?

They never seem to see the harm. They're always just defending themselves against imagined persecution which seems to amount to anyone thwarting their entitlement and expansionist having their own way. It's classic.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2011/11/17/towie-s-lauren-pope-definitely-didn-t-wear-underwear-with-revealing-split-dress-at-twilight-premiere-115875-23567863/

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Taking #24 into account it would appear that perhaps only 20% of public servants are now in a position where they can afford to lose a days pay, with the rest effectively slaves to the banks and their overdraft limit. Taking this into consideration it may be reasonable to believe that widespread corruption is occurring in the civil service in that the Banks may now effectively control people making front line policy decisions. Banks may now be able to effectively control functions like planning etc to be made in the interest of corporate finance, overriding any theoretical political policy and any democratic representations from members of the public ?

museV wrote: ""Plus as Fifa President Sepp Blatter denies that football has a problem with on field racism, prompting Professional Footballers'
Association chief Gordon Taylor to call for him to resign, we ask how racist is English football?"

Just WHO is playing the race card in this story?"

Exactly - it's an very dirty game.

First someone in Europe asserts that "anti-Semitism" (racism) is on the rise (usually when Israel is about to clobber some neighbour).

Next, someone then queries this (note the recent Stephen Lawrence case in the news too), effectively "denying" it.

Next said person is oddly branded a racist (for allegedly condoning racism), and hence one step away from being a holocaust-denier.

This gives Israel a get out of jail free card when it clobbers a neighbour.

Sadly, it's almost become routine. This is politics not racism.

Arrivistist wrote: "My guess is that transparency would throw up so many dilemmas and possibilities that society would grind to a halt.The powerful probably have an investment in avoiding too much examination of the underpinnings of our cultural mythology"

We could all do with some brakes could we not? We could do with more:

R E G U L A T I O N

less spin (anarchism).

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Us losing out again.....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8898044/Germanys-secret-plans-to-derail-a-British-referendum-on-the-EU.html

@30 "Many more Israeli/Jewish people just seem (possibly through long-term
endogamy) to be very self-centred (which crosses in terms of
brain-gender) than is the case in other groups. Many more of their males seem to be brain-feminised, and many more of their females appear to be androgenised."

Stupid racist ordure dressed up in pseudo-scientific and pseudo-psychological jargon. Also no evidence at all. It's just "Achtung Juden" again. I would have referred you to the moderators, but I prefer to make my disgust public. This is why most of your previous identities and sockpuppets have been banned!

#4 JM

"The obsession with this, given the 300,000,000 to 500 numbers being toyed with is, of course, still chugging along on the last thread."

If there's only 500 people protesting, then how come the NYPD is deploying so many police in riot gear?

Also, is it not biased statistics to quote the ratio of New York protesters against total US population? Surely there are many thousands, if not tens of thousands of protesters throughout the US.

And is the quantity of protesters a valid method for dismissing the validity of a group's grievance? Quantum hominum, surely?

Aside from the flawed statistics you quote, do you also think violent arrests and suppression of civil liberties is a non-news event?

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P.S. Richard "this was a crisis of profligate Gvts" Sharp needs to look at this chart and explain his way out of it:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article_images/articledir_10752/5376401/1_fullsize.jpg

Where did Emily get the idea from that the Public are bored with the 99% protestors? I don't recall reading anywhere that the Public by and large are bored or offended by the protestors. Where did that come from?

Everyone I know in the real World are in full support of the protestors and very, very angry against not just the bankers but against the political establishment as well.

Well done Paul Mason for linking it all together.

Thank goodness this is not 1940 with Newsnight on the air.

"Mr Churchill, what do you think you are achieving? Don't you realise that most of us are bored by now with all your anti-Nazi rhetoric? Anti-Hitler this, anti-Hitler that!?"

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#33 Addendum

Here's another little chart for Richard Sharp to bluster his way out of:

https://www.acting-man.com/blog/media/2010/06/UK-debt.jpg

Of course, Mr Sharp, banks are just the poor innocent victims in all this:

https://forensicstatistician.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/banks-victims-or-perpetrators/

Because banks never asked to be de-regulated, did they? Shame they were pretty muted in complaining about all that de-regulation that enabled them to lend lend lend lend to sub-prime home-owners and sub-prime Gvts!

Where's barrie?

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What makes a scientist? It's not just a qualification, no matter how good: it's an honest approach to evidence and a respect for the truth. Some people (perhaps most of us actutally) are scientists with part of their minds, but completely irrational with other parts. I know a biologist who is a "Young Earth Creationist": very nice but totally nuts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

Also, a researcher who doesn't have published papers peer reviewed, or state sources of funding is immediately suspect. Peer review has problems, but is essential to ensure that data is genuine, and that quoted sources are used honestly. Misuse of Data is a serious charge which if proven can destroy a career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Hauser

That does not mean that established science is always right. I've seen enough controversy, even within the rules, not to believe things because "A Scientist" has said so. However, the rules are there as a sort of quality control. I'm sorry to say, but there is no way that Piers Corbyn could be accepted as an "expert" by any academic department or reputable authority. His own style and modus-operandi make that impossible. Some of his conclusions may be true, but unless he makes his methods public and submits to peer review, he has the same credibility as a young earth creationist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Corbyn

NO SOCK PUPPETS WERE HARMED IN THE UPLOADING OF THIS POST

Susan did not let 'them' down - did she!

Differencism only occurs when overtly different human manifestations MIX.
When this epoch was young, while travel was limited to a few loonies (most of whom got eaten or killed) there was no problem. Differencism is not the fault of the visceral 'practitioner', but of the infernal inventor-man who made mixing possible, and the infernal politician who exacerbated it for ideological/commercial reasons. As for the PC infected bullies, who deceitfully jump on the band-wagon: put them in a scanner and show them some relevant images.

DIFFERENCISM IS INNATE. THIS IS THE AGE OF PERVERSITY.

#38 Arrivistist wrote:

"@32 Sasha...what in the name of pity is this "sock puppet" stuff you keep weaving into your posts?"

Have you ever read their personal website?

https://livemind.co.uk/index.html

Narcissism or just self publicity?

(me, me, me, it's all about me!)

"Occupation: Mathematician. Teacher (retired due to ill health)"

https://junkscience.com/2011/11/17/junk-science-war-fracking-quakes-and-dirty-faces/

IF CORBYN IS SMARTER THAN THE AVERAGE BEAR, HE IS NOT GOING TO TELL. (#39)

That's an odd line Sasha. I have no letters, but I beat the big firms in technology. Also, I invented all sorts of kit that I could have patented, but that would have blown some of my advantage.

Surely you accept that one aspect of scientific proof is accurate prediction, based on theory? Corbyn is doing well there isn't he?

How does one prove the creationists wrong? We are INSIDE creation. There could be any number of 11 dimensional 'gods' who got 'Creation 2.1 for Eonmass.

#33 Hawkeye_Pierce wrote:

"#4 JM

"The obsession with this, given the 300,000,000 to 500 numbers being toyed with is, of course, still chugging along on the last thread."

If there's only 500 people protesting, then how come the NYPD is deploying so many police in riot gear?

Also, is it not biased statistics to quote the ratio of New York protesters against total US population? Surely there are many thousands, if not tens of thousands of protesters throughout the US."


Remember this post? (apologies to b-d if it was you) Ref post #5 in link below - note: no refutations to-date!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/2007/09/wednesday_19_september_2007.html

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Looks like I was right with #2 but the debate after made it obvious that any any evidence of man made climate change or extreme weather events is inconclusive !

THAT DEBATE (#46)

It did my 'ed in Bro. If I heard correctly, they had no reason to believe now, but believed they could well believe some time in the future.

That is the sort of science that NewsyNighty loves.

#45 Arrivi...

Yes, it was pointless ad hominem...but some just don't seem to get it!

i.e. play the ball not the man.

Some on here (seemingly intelligent), seem completely incapable of understanding this simple basic concept on these blogs. They try to personalise arguments against completely anonymous posters...how daft is that?

Sue Lloyd-Roberts seemed to have interviewed some clearly unhinged people asserting that they're the legitimate government of the streets and that the Baaathist Government wasn't, just because.. well..they said so. If any group behaved this way in Britain whilst rushing around the streets with guns, they'd be shot too!

why was the camera footage so shoddy and shown through a mask too?

Next Emily has a couple of women from some Syrian self-appointed opposition groups (in self-exile where it's safe) explaining what exactly?

Where was the representative of the official Syrian Government?

Is this what the BBC now considers balanced reporting?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_National_Council

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#49

Something similar happened on Radio 4 this morning!

Another Syrian WOMAN (in exile) was blurting out that 10,000 to 25,000 troops (you can't beat accuracy) in Syria had deserted since thousands of families had been wiped out if they were known to be against the regime. When challenged by the Today presenter to confirm where these figures had come from, she merely stated it was "from accounts of doctors".

In the next sentence she said that a regime of crime has established in Syria where people's organs are being sold. Again, when asked to clarify where the evidence of this practice had come from she changed the subject by then saying that families are being blackmailed for money in return for their sons not to be tortured in detention cells.

Balanced reporting it aint!....more like make it up as they go along.

33. At 23:07 17th Nov 2011, Hawkeye_Pierce

I must be careful in response here so as not to contravene some rules that often see replies to such posts modded to avoid 'disruption'. Ironically.

There are of course, lies, damned lies, flawed/biased statistics and, apparently, 'good ones'. As one is sure 99% or 1%, depending on take, will agree.

I would invite you to pop over to the relevant exchanges to see the context. It's not far to go.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2011/11/wednesday_16_november_2011.html?postId=110907120

'If there's only 500 people protesting, then how come the NYPD is deploying so many police in riot gear?'

Another question, and a fair one. All I can say is the handling of protest often does not go well for police, either logistically or in PR terms. Protestors know this, especially with media focus often in limited directions for their own purposes.

I have found the numbers arguments deployed by other sets of critics often contradictory, as under-manning seems to result in every bit as much of a negative response as over. The latter does cost more, but seems more likely to reduce the likelihood of pitched battles, at least for protracted durations.

Quantum hominum, surely?

Not familiar with that precise phrase, but if what I think it means, if that was what was done, possibly. But as you decided to respond only to what you chose to read, maybe an accusation worth reflecting upon again?

'do you also think violent arrests and suppression of civil liberties is a non-news event?'

Nope.

Ironically, the actual discussion you failed to consider before reacting was on the very topic of what IS considered news by some... and where it suddenly does not if it doesn't suit.

Which moved into areas of propaganda control, free speech and democracy.

I value all sides of any issue. Though some seem rather keen on only one. Aggressively so. And where one set of rights appear unilaterally the only ones deemed relevant if personally committed, when others may well exist but are deemed secondary, possibly to a doctrinaire extent.

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Sasha Clarkson wrote: "Stupid racist ordure dressed up in pseudo-scientific and pseudo-psychological jargon. Also no evidence at all."

Perhaps you wrote that because you were surprised and without looking it up? A lot of people do that. They dismiss what they don't already know by comparing what they see and hear with their own prior knowledge (these are known as prejudices) and the greater the discrepancy, the more the emotion. That's quite "odd" behaviour if one thinks about it for a moment, as one has to ask where they learned those "prejudices" from other than through encountering material which was at one time unfamiliar, i.e which they also did not know at one time. Surprise is a pre-condition for learning, sometimes surprises are shocking. What would happen if we sheltered people from surprises?

It is factual, as anyone can confirm if they look into it. It's also a major area of important research (the HPA/G-Axis and stress), with this isolate group understandably serving a model group because of its endogamy as a gene-barrier.

One has to ask why it now considered insulting (and even racist) to describe facts of genetic human diversity as a function of gene-barriers such as endogamy and group isolation, as this was a worrying policy which was implemented in the USSR in the 1930s during the purges and Moscow Trials.

I suggest you give this some serious thought as if people like yourself censor and censure others for doing research and communicating it, it won't be long before less of such research is done and/or shared with the General Public. Such attacks on science (especially where it reveals truths which are unwelcome) have in fact become quite common in recent decades, and this has been remarked upon by many with some concern at a time when we need to encourage innovation in precisely this area. Such attacks would appear to be consistent with our genetically dumbing down as populations, and with our taking our collective eye off credible explanations which might resolve many old problems in ways we have never considered. Research requires courage as it always means innovation.

I suggest to you that it is precisely your outrage which holds back advances in your own knowledge and in science and rational analysis/ management by the wider public. I therefore suggest that you Google "Non Classic Adrenal Hyperplasia" to start with, and that you look at the prevalence rates of the autosomal polymorphism CYP21, which hormones are affected, in what part of the HPA/G-Axis, and when this happens in development. It might be an idea to watch the first episode of the Borgias (and then dig out a recent paper by Maria New which has a table going back to the original Tribes). Google "Brain Gender" too.

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There are those on these threads I may agree with. And those I may not.

Often the same folk.

Opinions, as with topics, can vary.

But while I may sample their posts for the purposes of clarity, I'd hope that in addressing issues I restrict myself to what was written.

Though a perceived transgressor, aggrieved appellant and often critic of the many, vague rules that exist on these threads, I accept these are mostly designed to 'police' the tonality in reasonable enough ways.

It is therefore interesting to note what can be allowed through that frankly rather surprises me if the intent is to avoid such as disruption or offence, etc.

MASTERS OF THE EUROZONE

What price the new democracy? Goldman Sachs conquers Europe
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/what-price-the-new-democracy-goldman-sachs-conquers-europe-6264091.html

As Syria has an embassy in London (as one might expect) why was nobody invited to speak for the Syrian Government? Do any on the BBC Newsnight Team have any conflicts of interests when it comes to the Middle East - if so, should these not be declared?

https://syremb.com/

Syrian Embassy
8 Belgrave Square
London - SW1X 8PH

Meanwhile, Iran continues to be surrounded by USA and NATO forces whilst its regional supporters are encouraged to liberate themselves form their Command Economies and become Libertarian (anarchistic). If Iran encourages its neighbours to adopt its political-economic values it's charged with exporting terrorism - note the hypocrisy, the ethnocentricism or more simply - the politics.

The rally cry of anti-racism is really just a get out of jail free card which is peddled by right-wing anarchists who foment predatory consumerism for profit. Think of who the liars loans targeted. It lays to preach equality as it is then much easier to exploit the vulnerable, the illiterate, innumerate etc.

People have fought this predatory behaviour for centuries. Who are the bad guys? Personally, all I ask for from the BBC is fair and balanced reporting.

It appears to be no longer doing that.

"POLICING THE TONALITY" (#56)

That's it! That is what we have to do to rein-in the lawlessness of PMs. Just think (about it) No involvement in Iraq; no Afghanistan adventure; JUST BY POLICING THE TONALITY of Tony Blair.

Now we must POLICE THE TONALITY of Dodgy Dave. So far he has connived at the Liar flyer, vilified his Coalition co-conspirator, and posted a £half-million false image.

CONSTRAIN PRIME MINISTERS - POLICE THE TONALITY

59. At 10:03 18th Nov 2011, barriesingleton

Three's the charm. And a magic number... and...

Nuff's 'ed?:)

Arrivistist wrote: "Anyone with an exotic family history is now pressured to "celebrate their ethnicity" and become a part of mainstream British culture at the same time........Yes it`s BONKERS...but because we now have a great industry in multiculturalism we are all supposed to keep our blatters shut and do what Aunty BBC tells us to think say and do .....until the next Hitler frees us from the whole stupid pantomime!"

It certainly doesn't reinforce communitarianism that's for sure. On the contrary, such self-centred individualism is used as part of an armoury to *erode* the state (Public Sector) as shown in the news everyday. Bits of it are being sold off at knockdown prices (near half price) with only the larger toxic bits of the Private Sector held onto in order to exacerbate the national debt!

Why don't more people see that it was these Private and Third Sector
(NPISH) toxic "assets" which were moved off the Private/Third sector balance sheets (80% of the workforce is in the Private Sector) onto the Public Sector IN ORDER TO THEN JUSTIFY WHY THE PUBLIC SECTOR HAS TO BE CUT BACK?

That is classic Libertarianism sleight of hand at work, and Mr Osborne (and all the right wing anti-racists and feminist anarchists etc) should know this.

It's classic, it's mendacious, it's double-dealing by wreckers of the Public Sector (state). It really doesn't matter what one calls them, just think Public Sector = Governance = regulation = protection_of_the_vulnerable ("mentally" young and the elderly) from exploitation/scammers to see what's basically going on in the name of *both* New Labour and Con-Dems. They are anarchists.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1937/03/03.htm

They are Social Democrats (Left Communists) which oddly enough are just anarchists or free-marketers (Lenin branded them an "Infantile Disorder"
naming Rosa Luxemburg in Germany and Sylvia Pankhurst in Britain). This is what the USSR (and China in the 80s) were trying to deal with long ago. When China finds people exploiting people as some people have in Wall Street and The City, they execute them:-

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-11/09/content_14061161.htm

If one looks back to 1920s Germany, when it was crippled by this Libertarian anarchism, one better appreciates why Germany today is so concerned about the direction which trends are pointing. Here are just two of the 1920s 25 Points

"Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery."

"We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

This was a LEFT WING socialist party like China's today. It's enemy has been naked (unregulated) capitalism (Libertarianism) - not lending per se (fiat money supply is here to stay, it just needs better regulation, and slowing trade down would massively help - problems have largely arisen through technology overheating the system and making regulation all but impossible because of the speed of trades). Those who did well by Libertarianism in the 1920s were inevitably most at risk of "persecution" by the authorities, and so most likely to want to thwart them. It is the same today. It is NOT, at heart, racial - but it does target a class of behaviours which may be more common in some groups than others. It is not all ALL quantifier, it is a SOME quantifier.

As to the BBC being always on the side of political correctness - listen to Nelson's song on "Mongrels" this week (BBC THREE). It's set on the Isle of Dogs (where most of the banks now are).

@54 ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz!

To the moderators: I'm not in favour of the new blogging format, but perhaps we could have a system similar to that on the social networks; whereby only, say, the first four lines of a comment are displayed, but with the option to click to view more. It would make the blog much more useful, as we could then skip the unfortunate individuals who pen thousands of words for therapy.

Perhaps there should be a facebook-style block function too: then the narcissists and solipsist could happily have conversations with themselves and not bother anybody else?

95 words, 556 characters.

:o) I am stunned (in a good way!) to find that a number of the regulars here tune into BBC3's Mongrels.

Sasha Clarkson calling for a censorship system wrote: "@54 ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz!"

This MAY be classic (incorrigible), Axis II Cluster B behaviour I suggest. It's precisely why, throughout the centuries, some of the more serious high-frequency emitters of such behaviours have repeatedly (and I suggest unwittingly) come into conflict with the prevailing status quo where they have settled and aggregated into enclaves, and then been treated as subversives, rounded up for preying upon the larger group, and either shipped out or encouraged to migrate and seek asylum in more liberal (Libertarian) parts of the world, where, as Non-Conformists (anarchists) they go on to re-create the problems anew as their numbers grow and concentrate in some areas (think NYC). It's just how this political cycle operates I suggest, and there is no helping some of the perpetrators, as it's invariably seen by many as someone else being to blame, not themselves.

Why?

Perhaps it's because, whilst very able in some areas, they can't/don't/won't look closely at some of their other emitted behaviours carefully and self-critically enough? In a sense, they are somewhat "locked in" (in a sensory-motor modular sense). and because of this, they don't/can't see the CONSEQUENCES of some of their behaviours. So, they can't learn from their errors. For them, all learning which does not reinforce their own literally SELF-centred ways, is perceived as a personal attack from others. One sees this emerge in adolescence as they start to acquire a sense of identity (personality). If one listens to many self-centred people (this is more common amongst human females who are understandably genetically designed to be more local in their interests - think hens and chicks/nests - and to look good in order to attract - think flowers), one will hears them say this quite frequently.

They want you to talk about THEM not the world. The latter is "boring".
This is no secret. It's so common in fact that most of us take it for granted, and so we don't notice, it's tat obvious. We DO treat females differently from males, for the simple reason that we are biologically programmed to behave differently. That's why there are TWO sexes, except, it isn't a dichotomy and the sexes are not what one thinks. .

All one has to understand is that brain-gender is under genetic-hormonal control, and that as with the Prader Scale, this is not a dichotomy but a continuum. Endogamy makes this natural anomaly of human (and it is not just human) behaviour more common in some groups relative to others, that's all.

Why does anyone have a problem with that? It's just a point of human biological diversity which has been openly discussed and even sung about of late. It's the subject of many TV programmes and even "reality" TV shows.

Is there some competitive advantage to these behaviours which some do not want others to see? Might any of that be related to criminogenic behaviour?

Whilst Equality legislation is about genetic diversity behaviour needs to be better managed, openly discussed, not censored/censured.

SASHA! DO NOT CALL FOR TRUNCATION OF INCORRIGIBLE BROWN-DOG ET AL (#62)

His revealing outpourings are meat and drink to the student of human nature.

Nuff sed

sasha @62:

Do you work for Barry Obama (the Wall St sock puppet) by any chance. The right to freedom of expression/speech - however big, tedious or unpleasant is a right we like to have in a democracy. Calling for curtailment of that is a worry...and which leads to fascist dictators and Google China practices. The Newsnight blog is a democracy and a community, albeit we have to jump through hoops and spin plates whilst singing a nursery rhyme to get ourselves posted on here. If I didn't get to read ecolizzy at least 3 times a week, I'd think I was all alone in the world with my thoughts (even though we are a majority). The communist banana republic you want is only gonna give us bitter lemons and red bandana wearing execution squad at every corner with only your words on bill boards across the land. Thats how Stalin started, and look how he turned out.

We all have the potential to be a dictator...but mostly it always comes from the well meaning leftists and former school teacher 'knows best' types...oh and the Libs, lets not forget the sanctimonious Cleggites types. New World Order mob so they are.

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20.At 20:40 17th Nov 2011, brown-dog wrote:
nautonier wrote: "For every eugenic type theory there are always examples of those who having had it all against them from their birth - climb a mountain and achieve when just about everyone else has written them off."

There are no credible examples of people being able to do things which their biology did not determine, at least, not without external technological substitution/support.

"That is why most of this 'cognitive type' pigeon holing twaddle really is absolute bunkum."

Everything you don't believe is bunkum it seems. What are your criteria for deciding that though? Cognitive talk is indeed often twaddle precisely because it is solipsistic. You need to *discriminate* the difference between egocentric referenced judgments and allocentric referenced behaviours. At present it all may seem the same to you, perhaps because you don't know when to listen carefully, or look.

Language is public, we all learn it publicly, so anyone who tells others not to tell them how to think or what to believe, misunderstands how they socially behave. Imagine students saying the sorts of things which you are saying (and some do). What would they go to school or university for? After a while teachers give up on such people as incorrigible as they just argue Oppositionally Defiantly. They throw tantrums when they don't have their own way, even when their own ways don't work.

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I don't know what you're trying to say & I don't think you do either.
Eugenics and genetic pigeon holing has never solved a single political, social or economic problem - because its 'bunkum', twaddle & for the pontification of those who have never had a real job.

barriesingleton wrote: "His revealing outpourings are meat and drink to the student of human nature.

Nuff sed"

It may well be food and drink to some, but as there's been very little observable change to your behaviour here, it surely adds weight to what you've stated elsewhere, namely that you're not a good student of human nature? It also endorses what's been said with respect to the non anonymous being more prone to incorrigibility given that they're too wedded to their own identity.

As some further food for thought for others: Don't Play Party Games.

"TOO WEDDED TO THEIR OWN IDENTITY" (#69)

You see Sasha - let him talk: he reveals all. I shall treasure that phrase.

Nuff sed

#57 "Goldman Sachs conquers Europe"

There is much spin and mis-drection on Europe. Here is one thesis on what is happening behind the scenes:

The US is playing the “divide and conquer” game with Europe, picking off weaker countries one at a time with it’s Hedge Fund & Rating Agency tag team assaults. Installation of GS puppet masters is to ensure that defaults do not happen, liquidity is injected and the repayment of the onerous debt is met through Austerity (the classic IMF riot).

Therefore Germany’s stance of considering periphery default, refusing to inject liquidity through the ECB and a push for more European centralisation (e.g. fiscal unity & the “super state”) is actually their best hope for being able to stave off these assaults and ultimately to square up to US dollar hegemony.

#71 Cont...

Therefore, the PIIGS are actually just pawns stuck in the middle between a US v. Germany scrap for who leads the European economic protectorate zone. It’s just that Germany’s (Governmental) Fiscal Unity play is so much more overt & obvious than the US’s covert (Free Market) financial tag team play.

There is probably a White House comms office Powerpoint slide with this headline:

"Goldman Technocrat=Good , Berlin Bureaucrat=Bad"

Dodgy Dave is in Berlin today to remind Merkel that this mantra is winning the PR war.

71.At 14:14 18th Nov 2011, Hawkeye_Pierce wrote:
#57 "Goldman Sachs conquers Europe"

If I could print a couple of trillion euros - I wouldn't save the eurozone by buying out sovereign debt - I'd take a controllong interest buying a majority stake in a major vulture & prevent it from attacking the Euro

I'd also stop vulture speculators raising/using capital in Europe to attack the Euro as likely will cripple the european economy.

I'd also put the currency speculation spivs in jail.

If that didn't work I'd line them all up a against a wall & shoot them with my water pistol.

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The Loaded climate change dice

so bbc science is about 'odds'? which means guessing?

science creates models that predict. gamblers bet on odds.

so IPCC to now say its going to be decades before co2 is proved? hahaha so its currently a belief.

so can we have our carbon tax money back? will china give them back? will those who own the carbon exchanges give the money back.

all i see is people gaming the system using a false belief in co2 as a tin opener trying to get at public money.

brossen99 wrote: "Perhaps the type of person you refer to in said post could be a direct descendent of a family who acted as Nazi collaborators inside the invaded USSR during the occupation and escaped to the UK as "
asylum seekers " at the end of WW2 ?"

A lot of us here have our classes mixed up, and I think that has been done by design to keep us disorganised. I'll quote the preface form a book published in 1977 entitled "An Infantile Disorder? The Crisis and Decline of The New Left" as it might make some people here re-think what they find distasteful and highlight how they have been induced to shoot themselves in their own feet.

"Shortly after the Russian revolution, Lenin wrote a stern attack on those who identified either the 1917 events, or the process of 'socialist transformation' elsewhere, with expressive spontaneity and freedom, which he identified as a 'children's disease' - in particular he selected the libertarian socialist oppositionists - both with Russia itself, and outside, where the Communist organisations were forming, as 'left-wing communists', engaging in romantic, extra-parliamentary, revolutionism - an 'infantile disorder', preventing disciplined party action. Lenin's organisational discipline and doctrinal severity survived as the major legacy of 1917, and stamped itself on the international left movements for nearly fifty years. But less than a half century later, latter-day Leninists were confronting what they perceived as a renewal of infantile leftism.

This new 'Infantile Disorder', a NEW left, in many ways a counterpart to the earlier oppositional communists, was radical, extra-parliamentary, and libertarian - both young and disordered - and often, too, incurably romantic. But this time, whilst the influence of Leninism (to which in part the new radicalism had initially reacted) had a hand in the new movement's crisis and destruction, it had no chance of channelling its increasingly chaotic energies, or organising its disparate constituencies, into new parties as it had largely succeeded in doing in 1920."

Nigel Young (1977)

Then, in 1979, after a lot of anarchism, we got Keith Joseph and Margaret Thatcher, and then a made-over clone as New Left, New Labour fronted by Blair and Brown. It's no different today. We have new faces but the same Social Democratic (Libertarian i.e anarchistic) policies.
This is not socialism as socialism is verboten, Wall Street says so.
Those to which you refer are anarchists. Right wing Libertarians. What you (I think misleadingly but I see your point) call "Corporate Nazis".
The danger is you may be led to believe that 1930s and 30s Germany and Stalinsit USSR, like modern China, are the enemy rather than those trying to bring so order and protection to the vulnerable whilst limiting the (often unwitting) self-centred predatory behaviours of others.

barriesingleton wrote: "You see Sasha - let him talk: he reveals all. I shall treasure that phrase.

Nuff sed"

But do you see the ambiguity and the irony? We shall have to wait and see, but I suspect we won't observe any changes, as this is what's meant by the behaviour being incorrigible, and what lies behind that, is a scotoma.

This is indeed a matter of language and confusion, but the tragic key there is one of Natural Language and its intensional/referential opacity.

Try to avoid the psychological and look instead to behaviour, as these are quite different domains. One is truth functional and the other is not.

Politicians and the unscrupulous prey upon the psychological whilst trying to render analysis of behaviour opaque.

Hawkeye_Pierce wrote: "Therefore Germany’s stance of considering periphery default, refusing to inject liquidity through the ECB and a push for more European centralisation (e.g. fiscal unity & the “super
state”) is actually their best hope for being able to stave off these assaults and ultimately to square up to US dollar hegemony."

Except, as Germany has been the USA's big girl in Europe since 1945, surely they are dancing to Wall Street's and Washington's tune?

How much independence can they have? They are Constitutionally bound not to have a truly left wing Government. They were the USA's Libertarian front line against the Warsaw Pact much as Israel still is in the Middle East.

Capitalist England has fought alongside us, but they can only find a single traitor - Lord Haw Haw -whilst we have millions of traitors in the socialist motherland Russia.*

Such are the mysteries of life and death.

* Todays fragment from the Gulag Archipelago.

wonderfulbbc wrote: "We can tune out the party games and the Zzzz Factor medical/biological details if the censors among us allow them to be posted for all to read in the first place ....as and if we wish!"

Indeed. I rather count on anyone who is genuinely interested going to look up the points which I make and finding out for themselves. After all, they'd just a look a bit daft if they went around saying that "Brown-dog said X", wouldn't they? The point about allo-centric (vs ego-centric) relations is that the former are "out-there", i.e they are not related to the emitter. This is where some of the critics here make big mistakes. They do so because they are not familiar with the alternative. They want to LOOK good. Hence their behaviour is feminised-brained. This is not so of many others, e.g. Hawkeye_Pierce.

Our culture has gone too much in the direction of ego-centricism and the cost is competitive productivity. We have become an economy of gatherers, which is close to being thieves. In many cultures, females do not work, they rear and tend the home. Where they do work, they are in the Service Sector (which includes aspects of health care and teaching which is derivative of grooming).

jauntycyclist wrote: "all i see is people gaming the system using a false belief in co2 as a tin opener trying to get at public money."

Yes, but do you REALLY want to see it change? That's the radical question Most people here don't, and they don't even see why that's so, because they really don't see how many of their core values are in fact Libertarian.

Across the Libertarian economies, those who get on in politics (as in business which is integral to Libertarianism) tend to be self-serving, and they tend to abuse people in order to get on just as you say. But that behaviour is intrinsic to the entire Libertarian system. There are indeed those who go into politics in order to serve, but they tend NOT to get on you will find. It isn't so in other systems, but most people here don't want any of those systems. They want the impossible, and those abusing them know this, and exploit it. Think about the values which you defend, and try to criticise them instead.

Just to illustrate the almost Sisyphean nature of this problem, here's an extract from a Reuters report published today entitled "Insight: Why Wall Street still doesn't get it".

The same can and must be said to many reading and posting here - they just don't see it because what matters is themselves and that is what this system has encouraged for them to get on. Anything unfamiliar or critical is "wrong"...anathema to them looking and sounding good...and only those who LOOK and SOUND good, get on, they have been told.

"David Mooney, chief executive officer of Alliant Credit Union in Chicago, one of the nation's larger credit unions, used to work at a one of Wall Street's top banks, JPMorgan Chase. There's a vast cultural gap between Wall Street and his new world, he says: Old friends from the Street, he says, now jokingly refer to him as a "socialist." A credit union is supposed to be run in the interests of all members, he says, while commercial bankers tend to see consumers as customers who can be "exploited" by layering on more fees.

Says Mooney: "I don't say this lightly, but the consumer is simply an income stream and exploiting that is the purpose of the banking organization."

https://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/18/us-wallst-disconnect-idUSTRE7AH0Z620111118

It gets worse....apparently Britain WILL adopt the Euro
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063103/Wolfgang-Sch-uble-says-UK-join-euro-Germany-plans-block-EU-referendum.html

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#79

A fair point, but much evidence leads me to suspect that France has been the US's mainland European lap dog:

- French IMF chiefs (not a sop to France / Europe, but in fact the reverse, a toe-in for US influence over Europe)
- Fench banks as most over-leveraged and exposed to investments in weaker Sovereigns
- US banks most vulnerable to French bank defaults
- Germany still retaining a decentralised / mutual basis banking model and consequent production powerhouse (not very Neo-Liberal)

Perhaps the US has been using the UK and France as counterweights to German anti-Neoliberalism in Europe, and perhaps the German's are now getting fed up with this:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/instead-relenting-demands-let-ecb-print-germany-preparing-kick-countries-out-eurozone

Hello moderators - Richard Branson in his own autobiography, which followed the Tom Bowers revelation in his (Bowers) unauthorised version, admitted that he committed Purchase Tax fraud early on in his business career.

If something is factually correct then it should be allowed to be published (PCC guidelines).

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JohnConstable wrote: "Capitalist England has fought alongside us, but they can only find a single traitor - Lord Haw Haw -whilst we have millions of traitors in the socialist motherland Russia.*

Such are the mysteries of life and death.

* Todays fragment from the Gulag Archipelago."

Libertarians are taught/groomed (and rewarded via "getting on") for analysing what they read in terms of how it hangs together internally and aesthetically (i.e how it looks and sounds as persuasive political rhetoric), rather than with respect to what it refers to and whether what's said or written is true, false or meaningless.

We have selected, and promoted the sort of people who can not sustain a long term, viable, society, and we have vilified what does.

Look back to who the original eugenicists were in Britain, and what even some of those today still say. Most people don't understand any of this as the original (British) eugenicists were socialists, and Germany and the rest of Europe took their cue from us..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3321686/EU-law-on-eugenics-attacks-our-freedom.html

Then look up what happened to David Coleman the demographer, recently.
eugenics became genetics and demography.

Don't want folks to think I've got it in for Richard Branson - far from it, England could do with more of his ilk, although it would be helpful if they stayed in England and paid their taxes like the rest of of us.

It was just that I bridled at the thought of Vince Cable and Lord Oakshott being able, on a national platform, to question Branson's suitability to be running a bank in England when I appeared not to be able to put my five penny worth in on this obscure little Beeb forum.

PS. Wealthy people such as RB will employ 'image consultants', part of whose remit will be to police the Web and attempt to get 'controversial' items removed asap.

RACISM ON THE PITCH IS DISCRIMINATORY

We used to abuse bald heads, ginger hair, buck teeth and any other DIFFERENCE on the pitch. The blatant 'side-lining' of these traditional British attributes, in favour of novelty skin colour, is DISCRIMINATION.

Of course, the Ref is a special case . . .

88.At 17:06 18th Nov 2011, wonderfulbbc wrote:

Can you comment on what you think of the mindset attitude of those who think it is acceptable for British workers to be continually replaced, en masse by migrant workers?

How is this reconciled as to how those who claim to be pro human rights and much of this emanating from the EU - find this acceptable , particularly in relation to effects on e.g. British working class?

My view is that this discrimination is level 1 of ethnic cleansing as incorporating mass & foced migration against the democratic wishes of the majority of the UK population.

I would be interested to hear if you have a view on this in terms of your own way of explaining things?

Is it really any surprise that so many people are now behaving more irrationally and self destructively?

If one censors what people don't like (which is nevertheless true and meant to be helpful), the inevitable consequence is that more people will start to only tell people what they want to hear, i.e what looks and sounds good, regardless of its truth, and in many contexts, that's the slippery, and very dangerous, path towards doing people harm. Think doctors.

Hawkeye_Pierce wrote: "A fair point, but much evidence leads me to suspect that France has been the US's mainland European lap dog"

France has long tried to beat the drum for socialism in Europe against all odds (although its Resistance was Left-Communist). Think French Indo-China. France is where their leaders trained, France blocked the Constitution with Holland in 2005 remember, and that's the main reason why I say it's doubtful.

However, what you go on to say perhaps pertains to how things have changed since Sarkozy's elevation to power at the expense of the socialists? I see France as the thorn in the EU Project's side now, so they are surely in the US Wall Street firing line as is Holland, so in that respect you may well be right. In the past, Germany was definitely the poodle and nothing has fundamentally changed there, except to the extent that the USA may be wounded. They are bound by their USA written Constitution which neutered them politically. But if they recover their losses at Europe's expense could they save Europe?.

I don't have much faith in Zerohedge, as like some of the rants on RT, it's a bit biased and sensational.

There's one SERIOUS long-term problem with Libertarianism, and that's the demographic indicators. This is mainly the below replacement birth-rate and the skewed distribution in cognitive ability which seems to be a consequence of the system. It is thus biologically unfit - literally. This needs much wider appreciation here, as it is terminal, as far as I can tell.

This is not so much an argument FOR socialism, as one AGAINST extinction. It is a conclusion based on a study of outcome measures It is not an analysis that I like, but one which I have been driven to by the data. I truly want to be wrong. But for that to be so, the data needs to show it. Alas, it doesn't.

wonderfulbbc wrote: "So in terms of your powers of persuasion...you have a LOT to learn!"

persuasion doesn't come into what I am doing here. Sadly, like many others (thousands) who have failed before me (and that's just from Galton to Fisher in 1930) it won't make any difference to the outcome, as people are either receptive or they aren't. This is a matter of Natural Selection not "learning". Learning is not what most people think it is.

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96.At 19:25 18th Nov 2011, wonderfulbbc wrote:
@92 Heavens yes Nautonier!

Thanks for that.

I am aghast at the assualt on ordinary working class people that has been unleashed on them in the form of mass migartion to the UK.

Some Brits are lazy but many decent people who want to work cannot now find employment - and now under persistent attack from complex bigots preaching human rights and calling ordinary people racist for complaining.

I can see the situation getting out of hand and at some point a back-lash is inevitable as ordinary people protest at the assult on them by EU nutter nazi-crat pro immigrationists of every political persuasion.

Cheers!

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