Friday 18 November 2011

DC has done the 'Chamberlain bit' very well - now is time for something 'Churchillian'.

DC is not really looking at the big picture re UK politics here - Uk economy is in decline and EU situation needs to be resolved in terms of what is best for Britain?

IF the view is that the EU crisis position is too uncertain & it is better for UK national interest to sit things out & wait & see - well can someone in govt say that.

At the moment - Coalition govt has poison chalice of applying austerity measures to a declining UK economic position - this can only make DC look weak as a 'ditherer' in terms of baulking, twice now, at EU referendum.

Surely, UK referendum on EU is absolute necessity so that the matter of UK participation is settled by all of UK having a say as is also vital re Scottish Independence for a nation expecting to be Independent but still keep the British pound as is quite absurd?

Perhaps answer is to have a preliminary referendum on Britain's EU membership as an accurate opinion poll and in relation to what questions need to be asked on main EU referendum as events in EU twist and turn on the edge of the Alpine abyss?

EU referendum is essential as clarity is required for UK position.

...whether the tensions are likely to be overcome with our Economics editor Paul Mason and studio guests.'

Which may well be a factor of, and down to the guests. On past evidence, breath not being held. Especially anyone preferring a Friday not having fun but 'in the studio'. Has Ms. Penney got a discount on the 'Red Eye'?

'...whether Mr Blatter's apology is sufficient.'

As a non-footballist, but still savouring Barrie's point on what is still OK by being outside the offence community zone, though Mr. B is obviously too old (darn, ageism) for purpose, the guage of what is 'sufficient', and to the satisfaction of whom, will be a treat to hear.

'...looks at the controversial US attack programme.'

Well, on matters ME and right a bit, that makes sense as Syria is only exploding, with possibly 3k topped by the ruling guys. So with Israel failing to deliver on that front it makes sense to 'look at' further afield.

WHAT IS LEFT TO SELL OUT?

UK involvement in the EU fiasco has been a chain of EVER GREATER SELL-OUT. At every step, we were duped or denied voice. That said, Despot Dave has all the right credentials to continue the trend.

Prepare to weep.

"Fifa chief Sepp Blatter has told the BBC he is sorry for causing offence with his statements on racism but says he will not resign - we talk to Sol Campbell about racism in football and whether Mr Blatter's apology is sufficient."

Did he not just mean that it was not a problem anymore and that if and when people behaved badly they should make up and forget? If there is racism of course it should be discouraged, but as I see it, all he was doing was saying was that it is no longer a problem in football. Racism isn't a big issue anymore simply because most people aren't racist. Some people seem to want there to be a racism issue so that they can play the race card to their advantage. There's a law against that too, and so perhaps it's time that some of those playing the race card are prosecuted for inciting racial hatred, disturbing the peace, libel, slander and anything else to shut them up and encourage them behave properly?

Anything new in Gaza?

"Tonight we report on the meeting, the state of Anglo-British relations and whether the tensions are likely to be overcome with our Economics editor Paul Mason and studio guests."

Yes, are the English allowed to abuse the Welsh and Scots and the Welsh the English etc, or is that "racist"? How about those up North and those down South; the South-East NUTS vs the South West NUTS? Are we allowed to tell anyone that we don't like anything about them anymore? If one don't want to mate with a Golden Retriever, does that make one a racist?

Don't you just love Libertartians (Left Communists)?

Their right-wing Social-Democratic rally call is: "Your money or your life!"

WHEN BLACK FOOTBALLERS GROW OLD

Will they find themselves in nursing homes that practice professional neglect, without discrimination? Equality at last! At least we get THAT right.

If UK is so vehemently against discrimination, why do we only bomb foreigners? If Salmond declared unilateral independence, would we bomb Scotland? Get Jack Straw in - he'll have 'the answer'.

Does anyone else have the feeling we are into hysterical déjà vu - again?

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racialism exists in Britain....BIGTIME... we still have the colonial attitude, it's them and us, always has been, how many times does a black person ever make the last four in Strictly? How many reach the last four in The Apprentice? Next year we are to be enthralled by the Olympics in London of which 95 per cent of us will be excluded and in these times of toxic obesity who are the biggest sponsors? Step up....Macdonalds and Coca Cola the biggest contributors to obesity on the planet and yet we applaud them as saviours....what wimps we are.....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063265/Its-getting-crowded-90-immigrants-UK-settle-England.html

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DIFFERENCISM EXISTS GLOBALLY BIGTIME (#7)

Charcoal is black, Sulphur is yellow, Saltpetre is white and Wood is brown. Combine them, and you have a keg of gunpowder. It matters not where on the planet you do the dumb deed. It CAN be OK until stress sparks the fuse.

No one has yet set up commercial, MIXED cat and dog kennels.

Nuff sed

7.At 20:11 18th Nov 2011, stevie wrote:
racialism exists in Britain....BIGTIME...

Yes - well said

Racism or racialism is a complex matter & gets extremely complex when mixed with other forms of discrimination and some even go further with eugenics.

The colonial attitude is now largely a myth as some immigrants have entered Britain with racist attitudes against some sections of British people - particularly against the British low income working class section and immigrants are still flooding into UK, taking our jobs & calling British people racist & lazy in the process.

Most British born people now know nothing of colonialism and the stereotype of racist home grown lazy colonialists is as dangerous and divisive as any other form of discrimination.

Some of the worst racists are the complex bigot EU nutter nazi-crats that force millions of immigrants on the UK against the democratic wish of the oppressed silent majority - as calling them racist if they complain - a silent majority having superior birth and other rights through their British nationality & family associations, culture, religion & attitudes & legions of war graves for their ancestors' defence of this country.

I have been shocked at many racist comments & attitudes held by some immigrants towards people in their own country and in the UK.

Better to be open minded as the complex bigots are poisoning our minds with sterotypes?

A matter of 'stones' and 'glass-houses'?

Better for many immigrant hypocrites not to come to the UK calling the British/Britain racist?

Racism is not a British disease - it is a truly global phenomenon - we all need to stop apologising for being British & say it as it is.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01756jy

Tell them about the Bull!

You couldn't 'make it up'!

ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF DIFFERENCISM - EVEN IF REDUCED TO 'THEM AND US' (#12)

No real difference between oppression of 'them' through control of money, and simply bombing Johnnie Foreigner. The Ape Confused by Language is fundamentally unpleasant. He requires enlightened cultural restraint. Paradox: the most demon-driven strive for control, and upon attainment, install a culture of nastiness. Welcome to "BRITISH DEMOCRACY UNDER THE RULE OF LAW".

@10 Barrie: "No one has yet set up commercial, MIXED cat and dog kennels. "

Hmm. Cats and dogs are not only different species, but different genera.

You do have Alsatians, Chihuahuas and mongrels in the same kennels. Mongrels are generally regarded as the best natured, most intelligent and better adapted for survival. But I would say that, wouldn't I? ;-D

"Differencism" is the truth, but not the whole truth. Janus-faced humanity looks both ways:

".....For Mercy has a human heart,
Pity, a human face,
And Love, the human form divine,
And Peace, the human dress.

....And all must love the human form,
In heathen, Turk, or Jew;
Where Mercy, Love, and Pity dwell
There God is dwelling too."

YET

" Cruelty has a human heart,
And Jealousy a human face;
Terror the human form divine,
And Secresy the human dress.

The human dress is forged iron,
The human form a fiery forge,
The human face a furnace sealed,
The human heart its hungry gorge."

William Blake: Songs of Innocence and Experience.

We can (at least aspire to) choose!

#7 I think you are worrying about race difference when it is not going to be a problem. I don't know how old you are, and I won't see it, but in 50 years the english will be around 25% of the population, then racism will be extinct won't it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-15738876

The German chap on tonight does not mince his words 'the BoE helps the British Government by printing money'.

And as he says, the ECB will eventually sort out the current crisis, probably by similar means.

PS. Rats, Fawlty, rats!

Cameron, please don't mention the Panzerfaust (bazooka).

#16 I'm going to revise my figure of 50 years it will be around 35 before the english are a tiny minority, so I might just see it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063265/Its-getting-crowded-90-immigrants-UK-settle-England.html

NAUGHTY SASHA - YOU TOOK THE WRONG ASPECT OF MY ANALOGY (#14)

But I would never suspect you of perversity.

Who else noticed last night that all the biggest cheers on Question Time were going to members of the audience? Looks like the people are finally waking up.

@19 Never mind cats and dogs Barrie - the worst thing you could do with some people is lock them in with themselves! :-D

I SHALL SAY THIS ONLY WERNCE - AGAIN (#15)

It seems evident that, during the epoch of physiological differentiation, man was isolated in various parts of the globe, and each group adapted to their environment. This gave us a set of VISIBLY different types.

As a general rule, organisms do not develop traits that they don't need, so I hypothesise that TOLERANCE OF DIFFERENCE would not have been selected for. IF YOU ONLY EVER MEET PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE YOU, WHY DEVELOP TOLERANCE ?

There is another layer that, as far as I know, not even Professor Winston has investigated (I have some first hand indicators). Babies born into a mono-appearance society, will easily programme a single reality into their un-organised brain. Those confronted with mixed signals, might make all sorts of false starts, some to be modified as late as 15 (or so) months, when mirror image is recognised as self. I have a feeling that is not the 'end of it'.

In short: I am persuaded that Nature did not prepare for rapid mixing of disparate groups of DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE.

At birth we are required to construct reality from such inputs as impinge; no handbook and (probably) little sophisticated reasoning power. Even within a single-appearance group, immense damage can be done by chaotic inputs. . .

Over to you Professor W.

THE OLD SILASTIC ARMORFIEND PLOY! (#21)

Best thing - for Dave.

I think worthy though it is, the campaign for better-off over 60s to donate their winter fuel allowance to the less well-off misses the real point.

Surely it is a reflection on the paucity of our society that many elderly people should live in fuel poverty and freeze (sometimes to death) in the first place.

Doesn't the basic responsibility fall on government to prevent this from happening? And also tackling the excessive energy prices?

Asking people who are reasonably well-off to donate their winter fuel allowance is surely 'sticking plaster' on the problem, and if anything distracts from the root cause of such a disgraceful state of affairs in a so-called civilised society.

Publicity by high profile personalities to address the real issues would go further in tackling the problem, than what in essence would be a drop in the ocean from winter fuel allowance donations, welcome though they may be in the absence of a proper solution.

Come on Ms Lumley. You did a great job for the Ghurkas. How about campaigning for this most important of issues?

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@23 LOL!

Back to differencism: I think you're wrong on this one Barrie. In healthy communities there has always been tolerance for exogamy and some immigration, SO LONG AS IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BECOME DISPLACEMENT! The native English are certainly not pure-blooded.

I live in a vibrant community, well known for old blood being leavened with new. This is in contrast with a small town about ten miles away, notorious in the county, "where even the dog has a club foot", and the locals are renowned for their feuds with each other.

Meanwhile, somewhere else, club-footed squirrels are helped by new blood:

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/6441707.stm

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AWARENESS IS A POWERFUL TOOL (#26)

I wish neither to promote nor "stamp out" (a favourite PC term) differencism; I simply wish to bring about AWARENESS of its ever-presence in The Ape Confused by Language (or to be proved wrong).

Unfortunately, in this Age of Perversity, there is far more nihilistic 'mileage' for the meeja (including NewsyNighty) and for those led, nosewise, BY meeja, than there is in promoting awareness of this visceral reality.

Awareness of how we interact with 'self and other', immunises against much of the harm that perversity in politics, advertising, media, schooling, merchandising, and the rest, can do to us. Since mass immigration was instigated, differencism is exacerbated.

LET'S TALK ABOUT DIFFERENCISM.

LONG-DURATION UNIFORMITY HABITUATES TOLERANCE OF DIFFERENCE (#27)

You and Darwin eh Sasha? What are you like? Any club-footed Finches in your neck of the woods? (:o)

Might you have an alternative (inner) persuasion to hold that (counterintuitive) view?

Basil D’Oliveira, the England cricket great and worldwide symbol of the fight against sporting apartheid, has died at the age of 80. May he RIP.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/8900908/Former-England-cricketer-Basil-DOliveira-dies.html

@30 Barrie - you have a valid point, but I feel you tend to overstate it. :-)

People often tolerate and even welcome some new blood INTO their communities (as Mistress' post @31 shows). What they won't tolerate happily is what they perceive as colonisation - especially if there seems to be a tendency to apartheid.

There's no doubt in my mind that mass immigration into the UK has been mismanaged. We now have a less than ideal situation which we have to deal with. The clock cannot be turned back except by methods which are totally repugnant, and would destroy anything worthwhile about our culture.

Here is an alternative view I watched a few weeks ago. It isn't fair, and it isn't balanced: but it IS honest.

https://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/aljazeeraworld/2011/10/20111020111540885675.html

Britain is at a cross-roads. We have to choose between the civilised way and the barbarous way: Mercy versus Cruelty, Pity versus Jealousy, etc (@15 above).

Whenever we talk about "THEM", remember - "Prick me, do I not bleed?"

JohnConstable wrote: "Don't want folks to think I've got it in for Richard Branson - far from it, England could do with more of his ilk, although it would be helpful if they stayed in England and paid their taxes like the rest of of us.

It was just that I bridled at the thought of Vince Cable and Lord Oakshott being able, on a national platform, to question Branson's suitability to be running a bank in England when I appeared not to be able to put my five penny worth in on this obscure little Beeb forum."

Surely you don't really expect any of these people to tell anyone the truth about what they do? They see consumers as sources of revenue, not as people. If they saw them as people it would be much harder for them to be rich or to behave as politicians.

Compare Public Sector services today to those of forty years ago. Today, politicians abuse their electorates, they see them as saps, you can tell by the way they treat them. The most recent case being the Northern Rock fiasco, which should finally make it clear to people what's going on, as it's just like what was done to Russians in the 90s.

Branson gets the good bits for a song, the electorate gets the toxic bits and ends up paying for that increased public debt by job losses in the Public Sector, as well as asset-stripping.

Surely you can see the process? They talk as if the Public Sector across Europe was responsible for the credit crunch when they have in fact just moved Private Sector and Third sector (NPISH) toxic debt onto the Public Sector balance sheets in order to bail out those who put them there. 80% of the workers in Britain are in the Private sector, it is greater in the USA, So where was most of the borrowing?

It's predatory behaviour, and most of the population is just too dumb to see it. That has been contrived by skewing the birth rate via sending the brighter ones into education for longer and the girls into the workforce so they delay having kids bright like them, and, to make matters worse, they import even more low-skilled (not very bright) workers from outside Europe which hastens the sell-off of the Public Sector as the state rapidly becomes unsustainable given taxes revenue falls. Think long-term loop. It's cannibalistic.

"According to people involved in the deal, Virgin believes it can extract up to £250m of “excess capital” from Northern Rock – as well as a further £150m or so from Virgin Money – leaving the combined business with a thinner capital cushion.
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Virgin Group is injecting only £50m of cash alongside a similar amount from little-known Abu Dhabi fund Stanhope Investments, and close to £260m from US financier Wilbur Ross. The rest is set to come from release of the nearly £400m in “excess capital” from Northern Rock and Virgin Money.
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Lord Oakeshott, the Liberal Democrat peer, said he was concerned whether Sir Richard Branson and his overseas backers might be planning an “asset strip” before the deal was formally completed.

“If he is going to do an asset strip for £250m of capital it could mean that if things go wrong again we would have to rescue them again.”"

FT 18 November 2011
https://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7a955536-1215-11e1-8ab1-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=rss

What is going on?

I think some are missing the point here - immigration/emigration is a natural occurence and can be organic but in the history of mankind it is has largely been the by product of forced invasion/war and oppression.

The fact that England & other parts of the UK have a non-homogenous & diverse genetic origins is not to say that those communities develop a sense of community values & nationality through culture, language, religion, social institutions which can be manifested in their chosen identity as e.g Welsh, Scottish or Japanese or Polish or Indian etc. At some point, forced migration leads to loss of cohesion, in the host country, cohesion that in the past has e.g. delivered soldiers to go & fight & die for their country that has kept our independence & liberty - How many are willing to make that sacrifice now? How many have come to the UK on medium-long term basis & refused to learn English language, show their faces or otherwise integrate in a cohesive society without emphasizing e.g. their racial, religious or other national identies.

That's one issue apart - the other issue is forced migration on communities/families that are under serious economic pressure at a time of falling incomes & rising unemployment.

Speaking as a father of mixed race children who love England & study English history with a passion & call themselves 'English' - I do fear for the future of a country that is becoming increasingly ghettoised and fractious as is a dangerous experiment that had always led to problems in other parts of the world as due to enforced mass migration.

We now have racial enclaves that only employ & associate with persons who identify with their own identity but repeatedly complain about e.g. British colonialism & racism. In some examples, some are complaining about some calling themselves or things English - in England - that is how screwed up and perverse the situation is becoming. I am frequently looking at/filling in forms asking for our race & colour and having to write down English as 'other'.

Many of us are or may indeed be a complex mix of different ancestral origins but we don't need the example pre-medieval genocidal mass migration as any justification for mass, undemocratic, forced migration in 21st century Britain.

The Blair/Labour govt are still saying, even now, that one of their main achievements in govt. was in 'changing the fabric of Britain' - mass unemployment of British people (9 million + now economically inactive?) is one of the consequences of their mismanagement & hate filled agenda.

It is time for our politicians to come out and say why our unemployment in Britain is so high and not to keep hiding behind the mantra of the 'EUropa Bull'.

The point being is why do immigrants come, on a long term basis, to e.g. England & not want or show any inclination either for themsleves or their children to be 'English' and have loyalty and allegiance to most things English, as is the ultimate insult to any national identity?

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OVERSTATEMENT? MOI?? (#32)

I would prefer you to point to the (effective) UNDERSTATEMENT of the perverse multiculture lobby. A double whammy, in fact, as WILFULLY BLIND ESPOUSAL doubles the distance from reality.

As a response to club-footed Squirrels, I offer Lion-tamers who get eaten; especially the ones who never shut up about harmony between man and beast. It looks SO VERY TRUE until it goes awry.

You DO INDEED bleed Sasha. And your blood group might tell of your ancestry, and even an area on the planet where LONG ISOLATION AND DIFFERENTIATION OCCURRED.

Let's call the whole thing off.

"IMMIGRATION/EMIGRATION IS A NATURAL OCCURRENCE" (#35)

OK - I take that as your hypothesis. How, then, is it that we find SHARP LINES OF PHYSIOLOGICAL DIFFERENCE, 'drawn' on the globe? Indeed, textbooks name the DIFFERENT groups after their nominal areas of GENERATION.

My synthesis of available info is @ post 22.

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Nautonier @35
Just like to say that was an excellent post.

38.At 13:01 19th Nov 2011, barriesingleton wrote:
"IMMIGRATION/EMIGRATION IS A NATURAL OCCURRENCE" (#35)

OK - I take that as your hypothesis. How, then, is it that we find SHARP LINES OF PHYSIOLOGICAL DIFFERENCE, 'drawn' on the globe? Indeed, textbooks name the DIFFERENT groups after their nominal areas of GENERATION.

My synthesis of available info is @ post 22.
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The world changed through technology, transport, evolution - etc - natural distaters famine, wars, economic migration all caused people to move & frequently over time.

We have a global community that is split into countries, language & religion that generally have identity.

Identity is what we call ourselves - not what other people call us - we have to get beyond genetic pigeon holing and physiological differences to see how willing we are to live together.

My concern is those arriving in the UK who have no desire or intention to share the identity of the host nation or to even recognise that identity.

39.At 13:05 19th Nov 2011, wonderfulbbc wrote:
@35 A brilliant post Nautonier...may your mixed-race children live long happy and fulfilling lives in the British Isles.

Immigrants don`t wish to "integrate" because the indigenous culture is now low caste and undesirable to embrace.

Go out into your town centre this evening and observe the youthful cream of our "civilisation" staggering in drink and acting like whores and thugs.Acting out all the "education" they have received through watching Grange Hill and Eastenders.

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Thank you for your comments - the image of drunken Brits is an unfortunate stereotype (not helped by govt policies encouraging eg 24 hour drinking & cheap booze) but all countries, races & identities have their problems - as some of the immigrants have their own undesirable national stereotypes also. But, if some don't like some elements of some of our national behaviour - why keep coming here to call names & criticise?

40.At 13:10 19th Nov 2011, kevseywevsey wrote:
Nautonier @35
Just like to say that was an excellent post.
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Cheers!

THE APE CONFUSED BY LANGUAGE - OH NO, NOT AGAIN! (#41)

I have no hidden agenda. After much life and thought I arrived at the conclusion: we are a 'vehicle Ape' concerned with reproduction/continuation, carrying a veneer of cerebral complexity that damns as often (more often) as it elevates.

I have concluded that The Ape, is fundamentally DIFFERENCIST (animal brain) - problem enough of itself, but in modern times (Age of Perversity) wisdom - a property of cerebral function - has lost out to pernicious cleverness, and this is in the hands of perverse power.

We can put our heads in the 'sand of niceness' for as long as social stability holds, but until we acknowledge the latent power of the Ape, and make every effort not to wind him up, 'nice' will be trampled, just as it was in the Balkans, when society is stressed to breaking by coming pressures.

As always, I am willing to be proved wrong.

44.At 13:52 19th Nov 2011, barriesingleton wrote:
THE APE CONFUSED BY LANGUAGE -

Yes - The human ape does or does try to differentiate everything - we do seem to 'pigeon hole' as is how we generally make sense of the world.

I just hope that those human apes allowing /coming & trying to come to e.g. England, differentiate by having respect for being 'English' and as to how many jobs we can differentiate, especially for e.g. young English people as they must have absolute priority, in their own country.

@35 nautonier You make your point passionately and well. The problems we have in Britain today are not to do with genes, but with culture.

My mother was a WWII refugee from the Soviet Union who earned her citizenship by dirty work. She never forgot her Russianness, but she loved the English language and culture. She continued to make Borshch, but she learned to make Yorkshire puddings. Her loyalty to her adopted country was passionate and absolute.

Many native Brits like curry: one of my totally English cousins likes making borshch. There is nothing wrong with a bit of cross fertilisation of cultures, so long as one is sure where one's loyalties lie. The problem we have is to integrate subcultures into the mainstream - and combat alienation: we have to make sure that we don't let the uglier parts of our society push them out totally.

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@47 Amen to that! :-)

46.At 14:19 19th Nov 2011, Sasha Clarkson wrote:
@35 nautonier The problems we have in Britain today are not to do with genes, but with culture.
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Yes - I agree entirely - sub-cultures are not only tolerable but essential for integration & to avoid rigidity along e.g. physiological or religious traits - but the main problems are when some refuse to accept/reject the main values & culture & do not respect them in others.

Forcing mass immigration on a section of the population with economic & social problems is bound to lead to severe problems both now & in future?

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Even The Telegraph comments on how a smiling Mr Branson is helping "the nation" by buying its good assets (and not its bad), and doing so in ways which some may not fully have approved of.

"Richard Branson’s Virgin Money has been accused of “asset stripping” following leaked details about the structure of Northern Rock’s sale.
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"Before the bank was sold Northern Rock’s tier 1 capital ratio was 30pc – significantly above what other high street banks have on their books.

The combined group under Virgin money will still retain a 15pc tier 1 capital ratio. Sources suggest that without the £250m helping hand from the bank’s own balance sheet, no deal would have been possible."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/8900863/Virgin-Money-to-take-250m-cash-in-Northern-Rock-deal.html

Remember that the contrived Credit Crunch came about because of profligate lending in the PRIVATE and THIRD Sectors (cf. property developers in declining populations) where 80% of the nation works.

Ask yourself why the PUBLIC sectors of Europe are used as cesspits for PRIVATE SECTOR toxic assets, and how the custodians of the PUBLIC sector (Libertarian politicians) then allow the PUBLIC sector to be sold off, asset-stripped and generally reduced in staffing by these anarchists whilst in some nations across the EU, having the chutzaph to blame PUBLIC Sector workers for the behaviour of their crooked politicians who had said that bailing out the PRIVATE sector banks and property developers was the only way to save the "nation" (which they are going about breaking up!

Millions across Europe are being had by conmen and women..

DAVE OF THE DESERT CROWS OVER SAIF CAPTURE - TERRIBLE TONY STILL AT LARGE

Still open season on Johnnie Foreigner "in his own country". (Perhaps that's why they come here?)

But the only Briton to gain from gratuitous aggression in Iraq, remains uncaptured.

More discrimination?

Yes - I know too many are too 'PC' to read Daily Mail but it does print the stories that other dailies are too 'PC' too print

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063552/Kingsbury-stabbing-4-police-officers-injured-man-goes-berserk-butchers-knife.html

Saying no more about this until full story comes out - but you can guess and make your bets?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063439/Child-rapist-used-human-rights-fight-deportation--struck-again.html

Only the Europa Bull stopping this 'beat.' from being deported.

Extreme ... perverse - England in 2011.

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brits fighting abroad

we don't know how many people are fighting abroad for islam but can can easily find out how many brits are or have fought for the IDF [perhaps committing war crimes and crimes against humanity] by just asking the israelis?

why won't the FO or Cameron just ask the israelis how many brits have fought for them so they can be arrested and prosecuted along with those in the uk who falsely tell brits its ok for brits to join the idf?

with this idf story the ball is on the on the line in an empty goal. Will NN watson tap the ball in? don't hold your breath.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-philip/8901985/Wind-farms-are-useless-says-Duke.html

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SUBSIDISED - NEEDS BACKUP - UNATTRACTIVE - KILLS BIRDS (#59 link)

Nuff sed (:o)

given the massive daily road kill of nature [never mind people] by cars one wonders why cars are not 'evil' like windfarms?

how many people a day do windfarms chop up a day? if less than cars then, according to the 'logic', cars should go first?

PUZZLED ABOUT THE WHOLE GOOD/BAD THING: ON SHORE WIND

For renewable energy, I favour tidal stream. But I am also rather fond of rational thought.

Subsidy is a SEPARATE ISSUE - all sorts of things get subsidised, from bus travel to monarchy.

Wind is free energy, but the supply is variable and hard to predict. Miners and tanker drivers used to go on strike, and gas/oil is politically jaundiced fuel. So let's be sensible - unpredictability of supply is not confined to wind.

British wind is ours for the taking and ours to rule. If a turbine can be installed, connected to the grid, maintained, and removed (recycled) at the end of its life, and works out COST-EFFECTIVE in energy production, it is a TECHNOLOGICAL NET GOOD. (If it wipes out vast numbers of birds, and/or makes many people miserable, we must take due account. Another matter entirely.)

ALL electricity from wind is, as things stand, electricity NOT PRODUCED from costly fossil fuel. THIS IS A NET GOOD (except for the fossil fuel industry and its employees).

As turbines get more efficient and have longer reliable life (no gearbox - electronic control - higher efficiency at low wind speed) their cost effectiveness will rise. What is missing in the subsidy/backup hysteria, is a FACTUAL cost-benefit analysis of the actual generation genre - stripped of all obfuscating nonsense.

In passing, as government chose to push wind, rather than tidal stream, I have absolutely NO DOUBT THEY ARE UP TO SOMETHING. Probably a nuclear panic-rush. (How could they have predicted Fukushima - UNCERTAINTY IS ALL AROUND!) We shall see. Meanwhile, where are the untarnished FACTS to be found, about on shore wind, in the terms I lay down above?

Oh dear! I am out of heating oil and they don't deliver on Sunday. I shall have to rip the whole unreliable system out, or fit costly backup. Nuff sed

I've just been doing some good old fashioned investigatative journalism by going down the pub to page the oracle on the proposed cut back in production at our local cement works and the possibility of up to 30 jobs being lost there. It would appear that the current recession in construction has reduced cement consumption to a point where it is no longer viable to use Hanson Cement's three manufacturing sites to their full potential. The obvious business plan would be to mothball production at one of the three sites, which probably means Padeswood ( just on the north North Wales border near Chester ) and concentrate on Ketton ( Nr Peterborough ) and Ribblesdale at Clitheroe ( north east Lancs ) which incidentally produces the best /strongest cement in Europe if not the world due to its unique Chatburn blue limestone. Clitheroe cement was specified for the London Olympic project and the works send a full train load every weekday to Coatbridge in central Scotland.

However, due to the fact that under EU carbon trading rules Padeswood would permanently lose all its carbon credits if it was mothballed, so to avoid having to buy new carbon credits if business picks up Hanson must keep all three plants in production even though working at far less than optimum energy efficiency. Perhaps quite what the eco-fascists planned all along, totally cripple the efficiency of our cement industry and attempt to put costs up and make the recession a permanent feature. Furthermore the plan involves road trucking cement from Padeswood to Clitheroe ( an 160 mile round trip ) in order to fill the train to Scotland every weekday, are these the alleged green jobs we have all been promised ?

Whilst I exhibit local bias as far as mothballing Padeswood and the potential jobs lost there its fair to point out that I am informed that its Clitheroe expertise running the kiln there at the moment, the locals just can't handle it.

https://www.bgs.ac.uk/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?pub=CHL

https://www.kabrna.com/cpgs/craven/chadian_bg.htm

@63 I agree entirely Barrie: the question is - again - whom can we trust? I am also sure that storage methods will get better: we need them for all renewables. I too am at a loss as to why we are not harnessing the tides - especially in the Severn estuary. After all, the water is also there in-situ to be electrolysed to produce hydrogen if there were a surplus.

There is one wind source which there are, as yet, no plans to harness: If horizontal turbines were fitted in chimneys in the Palace of Westminster, the hot air rising might be put to some practical use - even if it would be the most expensive electricity on Earth!

G'night! ;-D

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A TALE OF TWO ENTITIES (#68-72)

"...if I had the power".

Throughout recorded history, never more so that today, men who gain phenomenal power are generally driven by inner 'demons' and a NEED for such power. This also applies to the odd WoeMan.

As I often repeat: school has been established in the public mind, reinforced over many generations, as a GIVEN GOOD. But school delivers institutionalised Mammon-fodder or dross. The dross make work for social services from rehab to prisons, and the fodder are eaten up and spat out by social enterprise and commerce.

A diminishing few survive education with any sense of self, and with ONE FOOT OUTSIDE THE LIE. This link is well worth 11 minutes of anyone's time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U

Individuals DO have power, but most have been stripped of it by the schooling PROCESS. Those obeying their demons, sometimes break free to do ill, but 'angelic forces' - those engendering a wish to see a better world, rather than one PERSONALLY DOMINATED - tend to be more judicious and circumspect. Therein lies the problem.

We have had a string of demon-driven PMs. We have one now.

Nuff sed

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@73 Thanks for the link Barrie - I just posted it on Facebook.

Quotes:

"Is the most important thing about kids their date of manufacture?"
"We are getting our children through education by anaesthetising them."

Another brilliant, thought-provoking and inspiring RSA vid, which put a smile on what stared as a bad day!

"THERE IS ROOM IN MY HEART FOR THEE" (#75)

Hi Revelationist. It is desirable that you use some ingenuity to prove you are not JJ - sorry about that, but it's a sad fact of this blog.

While busy defending your right (to tell me I am misguided) to the death, I can report that I am monitoring the globe for shape-shifting lizards, through all intermediary power structures, to the passive male-ising of Planet Earth (probably as a function of 'brain drift' - see 'The Master and his Emissary'.

Meanwhile, I work to the hypothesis that "Small is Do-able". Hence (to be glib) I have a go at the small politicians of Westminster. Well: I am a retired experimental chemist with a life-long interest in the 'human condition'. I don't do crossword, Sudoku, play cards or chess, so seeing just what one man CAN do, against the odds, is keeping me from more serious mischief - until the brain goes.

QUITE CHUFFED ACTUALLY SASHA (#79)

In my writings over a decade or so, I would seem to have been quite prescient, where education is concerned. (IMNVHO of course.)

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"QUITE STRONG" (#87 link)

By "quite strong" (balance sheet) does Mr Cridland (CBI) mean "trading in the black"? I doubt it. That would put a different slant on firms 'nervous about investment'. In reality, already running an overdraft, they are: 'scared of borrowing more'.

In all my years in business, I only knew one company trading in the black and expanding with its own capital - it was us.

If the CRIMINAL law penalised BOTH PARTIES when credit terms beyond a viable minimum - defined in law - were AGREED, many more firms could be in the black; there would be far fewer bad-debt induced failures; far fewer trading insolvent, prior to going bust, and ruining others, AND THE BANKS WOULD LOSE A LOT OF EASY, SECURED, INTEREST.

I wonder why Dynastic Westminster has never seen fit to pass such legislation? (There is a clue above.)

Does Mr Cridland (CBI) not know?

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8901365/The-BBCs-hidden-warmist-agenda-is-rapidly-unravelling.html

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Gu8eDE2otX0C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/debate/columnists/bill_carmichael_more_mean_than_green_1_3981240

NOW HE TELLS US!

Osborne had to sell Northern Rock because of LABOUR DEADLINE already in place. So why did he not make that plain when the announcement was made? Is the ghost of James (he that is called Gordon) walking among us? He used to get a thrill from a cheap stunt to wrong-foot opponents. New Labour-Old Tricks.

Weep Britain.

The media arm of the Socialist Labour party -the BBC - supported the original uprising in Egypt. As well as the blatent support of the arab uprising by the BBC, there were warnings that this would turn bad...which it has. Can I suggest the BBC stop supporting revolutions with the simplistic view that demoracy can take hold in these arab countries and just report the news..and not try and steer it from its own child-like naiveity.

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'COURSE YOU CAN KEV (#96)

I'll even lend you my bucket to shout in.

We HAVE to bring democracy, under the rule of law, to Johnnie Foreigner; it is never going to be established here!

Anyone know the legal status of a UK political party?

I'll get me placard.

Re Tidal power, from an unlevereged perspective I never understood (rationaly) why more was not made of this opportunity, especially in the UK, the plans always seem to be scuppered on a 'technicality', usually in the form of an ecological objection, which are easy to come up, push to the fore and get popular public empathy for and difficult to disprove without looking like an insensitive greedy oaf who hates nature.

Quite a useful thing that ......

Interestingly which 'green' energy system gets built seems to be dictated by an inverse relationship to its efficiency and impact on corporate energy interests.

It is quite easy to manipulate the planning approvals process by selective political and media emphasis on the ecological aspects of some and not other types of schemes.

It does look like the schemes which benefit the existing corporate energy interests the most are the ones which go ahead. A good example of this is the proposed 'carbon capture' schemes which, at great expense (to the bill payer) carbon is captured piped and stored underground. An entirely pointless white elephant of an exercise.. but a great little money spinner for existing power generation and energy interests.

Meanwhile even modest tidal capture schemes ... which have no benefit to existing corporate power and have no carbon impact at all never get off the ground because of the unproven 'potential' inteference with the breeding ground of the lesser spotted green bearded pluver of zanzibar.

Meanwhile, the expansion of Drax and the trashing of countryside to build carbon pipelines or deep sea drilling for oil pass without so much as a whisper in the media.

Funny that eh?

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