Monday 01 March 2010

ASHCROFT - TIME FOR A ROYAL COUP.

What a gift to Brown. The sleaze-spots on the Tory Leopard have re-appeared! if ever there were a better reason to hang Parliament - together or separately, I don't care - this is it.

Your Majesty: gather your Generals, call back the troops from the political wars of Blair/IDS, AND MARCH ON WESTMINSTER!

Perhaps talking about links between mental illnesses and violence would be too close to the bone for some of those who walk the corridors of power!?

mim

can i say Bugger off

Paul

people betting on a china crash

https://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-28/harvard-s-rogoff-gives-legs-to-china-crash-talk-william-pesek.html

there is more than one non dom funnelling cash into the uk political system? using doms as proxies?

I'm surprised you aren't looking at Karadic's trial in The Hague today....

'Peter Marshall has been speaking to the the five US nationals who were arrested in Pakistan for possible extremist links.'

In The Land of The Free, politics is fine so long as it's mediocracy/idiocracy/inconsequential?

Is anyone who campaigns (or fights for) governance an extremist?

Those killing 'foreigners' who are fighting for non corrupt goverance in their own countries..what are they exactly? Oh...'insurgents'!

Have you noticed that ex military personnel don't present as very bright?

Rumour has it that all teachers, lecturers, parents etc over 45 are to report themselves to the National Bullying Extra-Hot-line in order to get CPD (in-service-training/rehabilitation) by suitably accredited Third Sector funded 'therapeutic community' workers.

Here's one for brossen99...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254536/Environmentally-friendly-biofuels-harmful-planet-normal-fossil-fuel.html

I've been aware for some time of the damage inflicted by so called green crops, for oil and food. They've wrecked so much jungle now it will be impossible to replace them.

4. jauntycyclist China just needed to set up some SEZs as Weapons of Mass Financial Destruction. They could thereby suck in USA debt and then implode their SEZs thereby taking the USA down, with no blood on their hands. It was just the markets they could cry. That's the old Eastern way of using one's enemies 'strength' against themselves is it not?

Look up Deng's statement that 'when one opens windows flies come in...but one can always kill them later'.

The East Asians are not stupid (see OECS PISA).

But don't let me tell you nuffink.

dallen@at3

In answer to your question; yes, it would appear so.

Mimpromptu@2 good point.

Violence and mental illness: Ain't Violent people generally mental?!
I would go as far as to say the political correct card holders show symptoms of mental illness also; i.e the liberial.

The East Asians are not stupid (see OECD PISA and UK SATs and USA SATs). Not that facts matter to most liberal-minded people.

10. kevseywevsey 'Liberals' - not sure what they are, but they always seem to me to be uninformed, hightly verbal and prone to emotional 'outrage'. hence 'useful idiots' generally. They are, fortunately, a dying breed, but these lemmings will take a lot with them.

Perhaps I ought to make an adjustment to #2. It's not just politicians /I do not think that they are all mental/ who 'walk the corrridors of power but also civil servants /not all of them mental/, security agents /not all of them mental/, international interpreters / as per previous brackets/ and all kinds of wannabies /not all of them violent/.

mim

The important thing to get out is that if you vote Labour you will be voting for people who acted in total disregard for the well being of your future. Gordon Brown is a dangerous man who must be removed from office. His risk based approach to regulation allowed criminal greed, exploitation on a corporate level to rain down on the public. Out right serious criminals were allowed to have and run business bank accounts without any bank fraud prevention measures kicking in and for years - wide boy banks on the high street allowed ponzi maniac sociopaths to run amuck - the result of Browns regulation culture. And now your going to be asked to pay 20k to be looked after in old age after the NHS drugs you up, exacerbates your ill health - helps you to your grave and takes your house keys. Instead of taking the supermarkets to task and enforcing healthy life style foods and removing toxic chemicals. This is no time for the faint heart or woolly unclear thinking. The debt crisis being resolved is causing a rumble on the pound, well you aint seen nothing yet - let me inform you, hold on to your balls especially if they are made of gold cus the reality of the mad men Brown and Blair is about to show up.

BTW Andrew Neil had the score on Ashcroft some time ago its not new and its not particularly important compared to whats going to happen to the public.

Here's the type of political/social satire or critical review I'd like to see from programmes like Start The Week or The Review Show instead of the ingratiating rubbish we currently get served up by the BBC by the bucket load.

LEW SEEFORE

In his latest book, Trials of the Travellers, lawyer and author Lew Seefore chronicles the history of anti-paychopathy in England. The exhaustive history details the shameful incidences of persecution and prejudice, from the expulsion of psychopaths from medieval England to the twentieth century anti-psychopathy of insult and exclusion. Lew Seefore also examines anti-psychopathy in English literature and the impact of anti-psychopathic literary caricatures like Shakespeare’s Richard III, and talks about the contemporary situation for English psychopaths and his belief that anti-psychpathic language has found legitimacy in anti-banking and hostility towards The City

Trials of the Travellers: A History of Anti-Psychopathy in England is published by Hades University Press.

12. mimpromptu I'm sure you are right, as some mental illnesses (e.g. depression, anxiety disorders, Personality Disorders etc) are quite common, and if they don't get in the way of doing the job, it is wrong to discriminate. These are diabilities, after all, and the law is very clear on this issue. However, a problem arises when disabilities do impair job performance and when those with disabilities won't, or can't, accept that their behaviour is a problem.

# 8 thanks for the link ecolizzy

Did you know its BNP policy to significantly increase the use of bio-fuels, go and check it out in their ridiculous half baked ill thought through Environment Policy section on their web site. Bit of a schizophrenic conflict going on in there, want us to grow all our own food also, all organic, no form of factory farming.

Just got the " what's in tonight's prog " Email and it would appear that Susan Watts report on the Science and Technology Committee questioning on the climate change scam has been shunted into the sidings. Perhaps this is due to the fact that Kirsty is approaching an age when she is likely to make use of said BBC pension pot said to be riding on the success of the climate change scam. Probably haven't missed much anyway as a bunch of MP's totally deluded by the green propaganda based quasi religion are hardly likely to ask searching or difficult questions. Likewise many have got nice little climate change scam earners on the side like Mr " Nice But Dim " person, and as the theory goes kick one and they all limp ?

QUIZ A CON TO CATCH A CON?

"We'll be speaking to Shadow Cabinet member Theresa May, not least to ask her why Lord Ashcroft did not reveal this information of his own volition a decade ago."

Why not tell Ms Kitten, JUST BEFORE THE INTERVIEW, that a transcript of the 'Ashcroft Interview' will be made, and subjected to detailed analysis in the next program? Otherwise you will just get the usual off-topic, obfuscation. Better still, do this with ALL political discussion - as I have requested before.

"Why Did You Kill My Dad? is a documentary that will be shown on BBC Two this evening." at 9-10pm.; might also be worth watching 'Dispatches: Britains' Islamic Republic' on Ch4 8-9pm as this is to cover 'The social and political ambitions of the Islamic Forum of Europe' which attracted some blogging over the weekend.

Andrew Marr began the week by covering 'unfairness'...

Just how stupid can people get? How dumb, given the obvious iniquities of the Financial Service Sector, bonuses, bail-outs, the tentacular Great Squids (Goldman Sachs, Lehmann Brothers, Hollywood moguls etc)?

Still... all people are free to make unequal amounts of money if they just want to I guess, and anyone who isn't happy about that are probably prejudiced, or have something wrong with them, are lazy, or somefink.

9.

no country is bigger than the markets and the logic of economic laws. Any foolish excess by politicians trying to win favour rather than do the right thing will be dumped on.

According to this article:

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/587839

"individuals with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or major depression alone are no more likely than others to commit violent crimes, a new study reveals."


and also this article:

https://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/355/20/2064%29

"symptoms of psychiatric illness, rather than the diagnosis itself, appear to confer the risk of violent behavior. So patients with schizophrenia who are free of the acute psychotic symptoms that increase this risk, such as having paranoid thoughts or hearing voices that command them to hurt others (called command auditory hallucinations), may be no more likely to be violent than people without a mental disorder."

So, the statement 'are some people with mental health issues dangerous?' The answer is no. At least, the New England Journal of Medicine and Medscape seem to think so.

#16 I think governments are bonkers if they think bio fuel is going to propel the world brossen99!

I don't know where I read it, it might have been here, but we would need the whole of the USA covered in rape or palm to just run the cars now. So there's NO CHANCE of bio fuel working. Only if there is some type of algae or somesuch that would grow rapidly to work as a bio fuel. We're going to need all the food (for people) we can grow in the future with our enormous world population. Not to mention the food that's chucked away every day!

The most efficient form of petrol is the oil based one we use now, cars have got more and more efficient over the years, and use far less fuel. It really annoys me that we've gone down this 5 per cent bio fuel in petrol route.

And as for electric cars, forget it, just how is the electricity made, from bio fuel?!!! ; )

20.jauntycyclist 'no country is bigger than the markets and the logic of economic laws.'

Exactly my point. Marxist-Leninist dogma is that revolutionaries must go with the flow of economic/political forces to shape history. I reckon that's precisely what they're doing.

China just hasn't played her final hand yet I reckon. I reckon they've been playing a long-term strategy with Russia (Golitsyn).

It's the only thing which makes sense to me, not that I'm a Marxist-Leninist (just an analyst).

I am surprised my comment at #21 did not get through!
All I did was merely write (with evidence) that people with mental illnesses are no more likely to be violent than those without mental illness.

ecolizzy #22

I've run this line on the blog some time ago, ( but just in case you missed it ) back in the early 1990s I encountered a bloke called Gary Quelch who had a company based on the fast growing Chinese pond slime Chlorella. His main business was alleged health food but he also had ideas for using Chlorella as a fuel. He had got to a stage where he had collaborated with Perkins to build a small diesel engine to run on dried powdered Chlorella. They even showed the said engine running on BBC Tomorrows World, admittedly not suitable for use with a mechanical transmission but generating electric at constant speed no problem. He also had plans for a Chlorella power station, utilizing the CO2 and waste heat to improve the growth of said pond slime contained on site to provide a virtual perpetual supply of fuel.

Unfortunately Gary was perpetually broke so he sold the Chlorella for fuel idea to Shell and it has since disappeared off everyone's green radar. I have tried to find some reference to it on the net but no luck so I can't give anyone a link. The real science breakthrough will come when someone genetically engineers algae to produce commercial quantities of oil suitable for use in internal combustion engines direct.

Of course the eco-fascists will never vote for that, although I believe they are on the way towards that in the USA. In the meantime we can be ripped off as including bio-fuel in petrol / diesel reduces the total calorific value of a litre, use more to do the same journey and as a result pay more fuel tax.

#3

dAllan169

You do tend to come up with real crackers!

mim

'And we'll be asking a documentary film maker and the chief executive of a mental health charity if political correctness means we aren't willing to talk about links between mental health illnesses and violence.'

There was a time when nobody gave two hoots what a 'CEO' of a 'mental health charity' (and making documentaries) would have had to say about this matter - but then the country went potty.

In the old days (pre-pottiness) we would have listened to professionals who had extensive professional experience working with these individuals, having had to risk assess or otherwise assess and manage them and b) who knew the empirical evidence.

These days (especially since the new Charities Act 2006), people have a business to run, an axe to grind, a book, DVD, documentary, course etc to sell. Too many CEOs, NGOs and Public Sector employees are in 'competition', so hype/market-forces/profit/cost is what matters like everywhere else.

Madness, it's enough to make one want to hit someone!

Like Blair and his motivation for the Iraq war, Ashcroft's tax affairs have been reasonably clearly hinted at for a long time, so no shock horror there, though funny to watch the badly acted shock horror, nay, disgust, of Messrs Straw and Johnson at the mere thought of a non-dom - Mittal, Cohen et al? - contributing to a political party.

Not much width on nn this night.

Gordon Brown used light touch regulation to encourage financial services growth in UK, thus enhancing tax revenues, thus funding public expenditure.
The basis of risk assessment was, essentially, that there was no risk - "an end to boom and bust" - so no actual regulation.

The trick now is to rebalance the economy without reliance on ultra cheap credit and house prices.

I'd lkie to see on nn a discussion about ways of achieving this.

Will we be hearing about the EIGHT Labour non dom donors? Or about the £2.4 million the Lib Dems got from fraudster Michael Brown?
No, thought not.

I am planning my usual smoking holiday this spring and would normally spend at least some time in Istanbul but what I hear about Turkish legislation regarding smoking now is unbelievable; imagine watching "Casablanca" with all the smoking pixellated. And nargiler - bubble pipes - only allowed in the open air?

It looks like it will have to be Vienna, unless anyone can suggest an equally civilized European destination with rational smoking regulations.

This I realize has nothing to do with nn but neither does half the stuff on here.

Moderate and be jammed!

#25

Just to add, just like Friends of the Earth knew full well about Traffic Calming significantly increasing road transport pollution, they also must have have know full well about the potential of Chlorella as a renewable fuel. One of Gary's best mates was an active member of FoE in east Lancashire during the 1990s, yet Shell have been allowed to hide any potential Chlorella may have had as renewable energy. Plenty of pointless claptrap about bio-digesting household food waste spewed out by the Tories recently, yet Chlorella with real potential for sustainable renewable energy totally off the current green energy agenda. What more evidence do the public need to understand that the whole climate change agenda is one massive investment scam and nothing to do with improving our global environment ?

Looks like this is a good week to look at the economy again, specifically, the effect on the markets of the possibility of a hung parliament and the knock-on effect of those rates.

The effect of rates of £1.20 and E.90 which now look likely.
The effect on inflation of lower exchange rates.
The effect on interest rates.
The question of whether it is possible for the economy to grow with borrowing so high (it probably isn't)

It will be important to have input from business as well as an economist.

'Why did you kill my Dad' was a grieving man airing his own, subjective thoughts. This was not objective journalism. Yes, a tiny number of people with mental health problems commit murder..which means many, many more people do not. Mr Hendy implied, when looking at an old news article, that a man having a history of psychosis, one incident of assault and a supply of has is an indicator he will become a murderer!? Many people experience psychosis, with no hint of danger to others at all but this messasge did not come over clear in this program. What would these relatives do? Lock away anyone with psychosis...just in case? While we're at it, let's lock up anyone who's ever drunk alcohol or driven a car...just in case.. A shameful piece of non-journalism but the reason for Mr Hendy's bias is understandable.

As things not on topic but in the news are being discussed, here's on for ecolizzy. Living Marxism and ITN, what precisely was the trial about, and what precisely was the Irving trial about? Did they have anything to do with whether historical facts occurred, or were they about something else? How does this relate to the Revolutionary Communist Party and an occasional guest on NN?

An exercise in critical analysis and geopolitics.

The Ashcroft package was the most ridiculously bias and subjective piece of televison I've seen in a long time. Emotive language, painting a man as pariah while letting the Labour Peers like Lord Paul -- who give a much higher percentage of Labour's total fundraising pool (nearly 20%) as opposed to Ashcroft (2%).

Where is the scrutiny of Lord Paul?

Partisan commentary from Micheal Crick, who for the sake of the transparency the BBC craves so much ... lets not forget "He [Crick] joined the Labour party at 15 and wrote a book about Militant, the Trotskyist faction of the Labour party, soon after graduating with a first in PPE from New College, Oxford.

Until the age of 30, he had every intention of becoming a Labour MP, but when the opportunity to become the candidate for a safe-ish seat presented itself, he agonised briefly, then decided not to take it."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/3665878/The-scourge-of-Westminster.html

Surprising Crick's article wasn't critical of Lord Paul.

Is Michael Crick's strange vocal affliction a product of a BBC diktat?

What killed Julian Hendy's Dad?
Found this programme slightly skewed against the considered assessments of clinicians. The 80s-trained psychiatrists are right to observe that violence does not have a necessary connection with psychosis. What has changed is the endemic pervasion of cannabis mis-use from peddling among vulnerable patients since the 80s. A volatile combination is the paranoid symptoms piled onto people already prone to psychosis, making it a toxic mixture from which disaster struck in the instance of the film-maker on this night's programme. Those who attribute these noxious effects to the condition itself are mistaken.

Channel 4's 'Dispatches' programme produced filmed and documents that showed the extent to which the Islamic Forum of Europe does not represent all moslems, as is generally accepted by our government, and appears to be infiltrating other political parties and trying to push through a referendum for a mayor, all with the stated intention of installing an ideology, not a religion or a political agenda.

This will make voting difficult, as the major parties are already 'birds of a feather' and now infiltrated by cuckoos wearing false colours (following Barrie's dictum of 'Spoil Party Games'?). As the major parties have all allowed this state of affairs to develop, the best course is to VOTE RADICAL.

Susan Watts.

did you really have to do your presentation on a simulated -- yet easily recognised -- Microsoft(TM) XP desktop? whatever next? Coca-Cola T-shirts? McDonald's badges?

particulary bad since the BBC used to produce both innovative hardware and software.

Charlie Brooker is, once again, censored, so, once again, I've switched off. I don't think I've ever seen more than five minutes of any of his programmes.

Oh, for 'freedom of speech'...at 23:25, no less.

Just who are the bleeps and 'blurs' protecting this time?

'Why did you kill my Dad'

- Why didn't this documentary actually address that question in its title? I.e. why did this individual take illegal drugs, what about his childhood and adult life, how did he develop psychosis, why was he paranoid/delusional/obsessed about sexual abuse issues or whatever else? The documentary didn't even being to go there, it should have been called "why hadn't the National Health Service detained the man who killed my father".

- Something doesn't fit in that the individual has been found criminally responsible and sent to prison, and yet this documentary was all about how the NHS should have detained him against his wishes on the basis that he was insane/non compos mentis.

- The documentary opened with the documentary maker driving a car and talking in front of the camera. Fatal road traffic accidents kill over 3000 people a year in the UK, many of which are also related to drug use (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20159105%29.

- Do the statistics on homicide by those who have been in contact with mental health services, including people with only a diagnosis of substance dependence? Most people won't think of that as a mental illness.

- Of the 1594 homicide perpetrators [between 1996 and 1999 in England] more than one-third (42%) occurred in people with a history of alcohol misuse or dependence and 40% in people with a history of drug misuse or dependence. Alcohol or drug misuse played a contributory role in two-fifths of homicides. ... Forty-two homicides (17%) were committed by patients with severe mental illness and substance misuse. CONCLUSIONS: Substance misuse contributes to the majority of homicides in England and Wales. A public health approach to homicide would highlight alcohol and drugs before severe mental illness. [From https://www.medicine.manchester.ac.uk/research/PubDetails/index.aspx?ID=28585%5D

Interested in the Climate Change UEA enquiry piece. Thought Phil Jones' performance was pretty pathetic. Note there was no Newsnight debate about this hearing. Strange that, given that in the past there has been no end of 'we're all doomed' due to global warming, programmes and debates broadcast by the BBC. Yes they've had to televise briefly news of this hearing, but oddly quiet beyond that. Disappointing for the Beeb really. No more dramatic press releases from vested interests in that direction for the time being. No more lazily just putting out their mantras, as it seems now based on less than scientifically proven methodical processes and disclosure. I truly do not know if global warming is either happening or if it is man-made or not. And the BBC, not pursuing proper investigative journalism, but rather pumping out any old unproven PR releases and promoting groups with an unquestioned self-interest doesn't help.

What should be looked at is race, mental-illness and violence, or more specifically, what these three classes have in common. That's where the political correctness impediment strikes.

BBC Newsnight covered some of this in the not too distant past. Risk Assessment and Risk Management is all about probabilities and class memberhip, not something your average NN viewer will a) be interested in or b) able to cope with.

#31 Thanks for all your info b99, I don't remember reading about that man and his algae. I have read your pieces on traffic calming, and they make logical sense to me.

And agree with your view here...

What more evidence do the public need to understand that the whole climate change agenda is one massive investment scam and nothing to do with improving our global environment ?

Ever since I saw the head of the IPCC had his fingers in many "green" pies, I've lost all faith in any of them!

#34 Crumbs Stat I wish you'd explain more clearly, that one is making my head hurt, remember I'm a woman! ; )

I thought Julian Hendys 'why did you kill my dad' programme was an interesting insight into the issues surrounding the monitoring of high risk and dangerous offenders with known mental health issues that are often made worse by illegal substance and alcohol abuse. It is unfortunate the MAPPP do not adopt a more pro active stance and ensure the full disclosure of all relevent information by members and attendees of their meetings. It appears covering your own organisations back can be more important than protecting the public. Julian - look more closely,look into MAPPP - make some FOI requests - but prepare yourself for what you might see ! Good Luck

MICRO ALGAE AS RAW MATERIAL AND AN ENERGY STORE - 50% OIL (#22 #25)

A wonderful bloke called Harry Hart (award winning camera man) latched onto this, decades ago. He gave the latter part of his life to this elegant project, and now lives in poverty, but the gleam has not left his eye. You can find him, his work and a vast amount of spin-off online.

The simple truth is that algae will grow in water not suitable for human use - salt/brackish/waste. If a source of CO2 is available the growth in full sun is phenomenal. BUT BUT BUT - if the price came close to fossil oil, the Big Guys would kill algae stone dead. And while it costs-out higher, the supposed GREEN Masters of the Earth will be unable to make it viable.

PS - I tried to get Harry a gong from the Palace. No reply. That is how things stand.

#38 Hhhmm don't know about vote radical Indi, it appears even if you don't you are!

I watched the programme and it made for very desturbing viewing. Because of PC the others on the council were afraid to speak out, weren't they?! I remember now all the nonsense about not eating a sandwich in ramadan, in the council meetings, even if you were non muslim. Now I understand what that was all about.

It's all very well allowing others to practice what they like, but it's making a mug of the labour party, not to mention the rest of us. I wonder why we are so willing to give up on our way of life, have we reached a tipping point?

WHO WAS THAT HOMICIDAL NUTTER DOING A PIECE TO CAMERA ON THE MOTORWAY?

Will Plod be making an arrest? Or was there not one copper-viewer paying due care and attention?

The driver-piece-to-camera has become de rigueur lately. But why no see-through vehicles (using the new toy) to make it edgy?

POIGNANT COMMENTARY FROM ACROSS THE POND

I was struck by the comment from America, that USA nationals, born into Islaam, "are now falling prey" to radical ideas. When you find yourself surrounded by decadence and corruption, is 'fall prey to' the appropriate term? Might it not be 'seek rescue in'? Mote and Beam again. Christian USA, should look to its failings (as should we). Then when viewed from a Muslim perspective, we might not look so ripe for extermination.

Best Newsnight is a while

Michael Cricks (Labour) Report was Good albeit biased.
Michael Gove (Tory) is always very good.
The discussion with Olly and Co (Tory,Liberial and Labour) was good.
The Wark (?) looked good, especially when she put her specs on.
US Home grown terrorist (Islam) very good but no surprises there really.
Climatefraudgateemails: Ha ha ha!

Documentary which I happened to watch earlier regarding violent mental health patients; very moving but left me angry. Mental health patients, in and out - usually out - violent prisoners or care in the community 'clients' who kill. Who do we blame? All the agencies who have indulged for far too long people whose violent behaviour was never really fully checked until it was too late. Trying to understand why little Johnny killed the neighbors cat was never gonna work...Johnny should have been punished earlier on..a crack around the back of the head should have been enough; but no, Johnny was indulged, no consequence for his actions and little Johnny turned big and sick and thanks to the cocktail of drugs; illegal and legal plus all the 'help' and 'actions' regardless of previous violent crimes commited, the indulgers ended up producing yet another killer.
This was watched by millions on the day that the Yorkshire ripper demanded to know when he is going to be released. Who do we blame?...Roy Jenkins for abolishing the Noose, Roy was a liberal. Do you not sense there is something wrong with the way we have become, by wanting to be more civilized we've just about accepted violent behavior as something we have to put up with, and to fear and to read about in the papers every other day...but nothing ever gets done about it..just more talk.

P:S
About time Brookers Newswipe follows Newsnight.

john skinner #29.
ryanw #35.

re non domiciled donors.

how can you tell a difference between them? is there one? does it matter?

they all wear the same uniform -- suit and tie -- of the modern conformist.

#51

kevsey

I realise this is only a supposition but your obsessive blogging of violence, etc, seems as if you had something to do with it yourself, as if you were waiting to be caught while drawing attention to yourself. If this is true, it must feel overwhelming, does it not?!

#53 addendum

Apparently, in extreme cases, some 'mature' men do get a turn on by causing/watching death, suffering, destruction or simply boyish mischief. How they can imagine that a woman reaslising what's going on would wish to have anything to do with such a man is beyond my comprehension.

mimpromptu #54.

thank you for acknowledging that not every man 'enjoys' "..death, suffering, destruction or simply boyish mischief".

"How they can imagine that a woman reaslising what's going on would wish to have anything to do with such a man is beyond my comprehension."

apparently, economic and emotional dependence play a role.

https://www.womensaid.org.uk/domestic-violence-articles.asp?section=00010001002200410001&itemid=1277&itemTitle=Why+doesn%27t+she+leave

Mimpromptu.

Your very good at doing the following:

2+2= A flower or it could be a butterfly

Don't take that wrong:

'SAVE ONE SOUL AND YOU SAVE THE WHOLE OF HUMANITY'

It looks like a Muslim scholar stands with quite a good chance of achieving something to this effect, at long last and on a larger scale:

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8544531.stm

mim

#56

Down memory lane?:

It just goes to show, kevsey, that you do now want to be recognised. Why don't you tell us your real name? What's holding you back? Fear?

Miss Mighty Struck by Bowel Invasion

Miss Mighty hoped to go on a world tour
But her insides are feeling too poor
To contemplate such a great task
With any man wearing a mask.

In fact, Miss Mighty would be quite happy
Never to go on a world tour
And stay in London helping the poor
With a few trips to Poland clapping

For her commitment to where she was born
Making connections instead being torn
By disagreements caused by her crutch
And be with her man were his wish such.

There is a catch to Mighty Miss Match
Who’s never gone on a world tour
But still frequents ‘Café Caprice’
Wearing her Queen’s blue coloured fleece.

mim

1. "What a gift to Brown".

Its not Ashcroft's tax status that's a gift to Brown but the method of reporting it. The failure to highlight the 8 Labour non-dom donors and the fanciful excuses offered for concentrating on Ashcroft and playing down the rest is not unlike the malicious world of the No.10 election spin machine.

#57 Well spotted mim, I heard it on the radio this morning. Trouble is when does one fatwa outweight another?

I didn't watch the programme about mental illness last night. But my conclusion on severe mental illness, is who shut all the mental hospitals? I can't remember, was it Maggie? I believe the right and left coluded in closing them, the left being very liberal and lets care in the community, and the right thinking of all that money saved.

Unfortunately for the mentally ill person, it's probably the best place for them in an hospital.

I think drug use does play a large part in tipping people over into violent behaviour, although the ill person doesn't probably realise that. I also know for a fact that everyone has someone living in their own community who has quite severe mental illness.

I also know that consultants have a very hard time trying to work out if it's ok to release someone into the community to live a "normal" life. How many of these patients when released continue to take their medication.

And the biggest fact of all not enough money is put into the care of mentally ill people, hence the shutting of most of the secure hospitals.

#51 kev
" All the agencies who have indulged for far too long people whose violent behaviour was never really fully checked until it was too late."

It's all part of the syndrome (Human Rights and Equality for all, irrespective)that puts the rights of the individual above that of the community.

"Who do we blame?...Roy Jenkins for abolishing the Noose, Roy was a liberal."

Perhaps there are alternatives to lawful termination of life - in some cases chemical castration or induced coma might be more acceptable as an alternative to 'life' in prisons or mental hospitals. But until we drop control from Eu courts and modify our own HR legislation the concept of 'for the good of the majority (society v the individual)' will never be an option, and the innocent public will remain at such risk.

#60 Very good observation MaggieL

I read that Ashcroft pays 2 percent of Tory funds

Whereas the EIGHT pay 20 percent, I wonder why NN didn't bother reporting any of that?

MESSAGE FROM THE REMNANTS OF A MURDEROUS CHILD AND ANGRY YOUNG MAN (#51)

In my experience, Kev, there is a lot more to moderating anger and violence than 'assault on the person'. I aspire more to the Batmanghelidjh school of nurture, than the Prescott school of hard knocks.

We can debate some time.

45. ecolizzy What I am referring to, (as you very probably know), is that both libel cases are often cited by anti-statists in ways which they should not. In this case the critical term is deliberate (or intentional).

Viewers/readers are not as discerning as they should be alas, which makes so much of what's researched/written/presented so poorly understood. Some encourage viewers/potential voters to gloss over the finer details as it suits them to have dumb voters.

Do the NN presenters/producers do their level best to tease out the truth, letting the viewers join up the dots? I suspect much of their effort there passes ever more of their viewers by?

Look into the history and successor(s) to Living Marxism, and what 'the far right' actually is. Then read the Guardian article and ask yourself what the language which the authors open their piece with communicates.

We complain all the time about very poor governance, and yet we also lap up daily doses of anti-governance propaganda which is most seductively and cunningly packaged.

PS. Being a member of a class does not mean that one shares all its properties a priori, it's just a probabilistic risk. ;-)

Climategate: The FOI (like Human Rights Act) applies to public (i.e state) bodies alone. Researchers in universities are in public (state) bodies. Researchers spend years collecting and coveting data. Being forced to share it via the FOI is akin to a private company being forced to give away all its industrial secrets/assets to competitors. This is what is really going on via the FOI and HRA I surmise. It is just more anti-statism!

50. barriesingleton - 'When you find yourself surrounded by decadence and corruption, is 'fall prey to' the appropriate term? Might it not be 'seek rescue in''

Uh oh you are becoming radicalised. Call yourself in to the NBH or MI5 without delay. Alternatively, look up a Third Sector Anger Management Hotline. It could be a mental illness! You might vote BNP!

Don't delay, make a life changing phone call today.

54. mimpromptu 'How they can imagine that a woman reaslising what's going on would wish to have anything to do with such a man is beyond my comprehension.'

For your education/enlightenment

Women, oddly, seem rather attracted to them, whilst stating otherwise.

#61

Ecolizzy

One can't expect overnight miracles but the hope is that young Muslims rather than giving in to brainwashing of promises of eternal glory when dead will prefer to treasure life here on earth and if they so choose to fight their causes by peaceful means unless acting in self-defence.

#62

In my view there are still too many non-violent psychiatric patients kept there for far too long drugged up to their eyeballs while the violent and nasty get released too early with frequently disastrous consequences to others.

mim

63. indignantindegene #51 kev " All the agencies who have indulged for far too long people whose violent behaviour was never really fully checked until it was too late."

'It's all part of the syndrome (Human Rights and Equality for all, irrespective)that puts the rights of the individual above that of the community.'

The truth is the failures are rare events. Risk Assessment and Management means that this will always happen. It's a matter of probabilities and 'cost/benefit' analysis.

Rather like care of the elderly, it's at root a population frequency issue. We know where the high risk groups are (see PC remark earlier and think high testosterone levels, good at sport etc). If you let those groups grow in size you will have much more strain on staff as it will mean far greater supervision/cost. Think of the elderly. Just having them doped up on anti-psychotics still exhausts staffing levels even on minimum wage, it can costs £1000 a week in a Nursing Home. It's like land mines taking out both soldiers and supporting medical staff etc.

Too complex a problem for most to think through, let's just blame someone instead after it happens. We need to manage the population is the bottom line. The birth and immigration rate as this is all genetic.

What a hypocritical fuss about Lord Ashcroft. Labour Non - Doms have not only funded the Party but funded Gordon Brown in his own leadership campaign and in return he has granted at least one of them with the Status of Privy Counsellor. Kirsty`s biased rant against the Conservatives last night was distasteful . Perhaps it was related in some way to her own alleged association with the underbelly of the Glasgow Labour party?
In the interests of balanced journalism I hope she will be question Labour ministers on the subject of Non-Doms in the same vehement way that she questioned Michael Gove last night.

ecolizzy - Read Campbell's articles and blog (and his readers' comments). I have no axe to grind other than to point out that we do not question enough (we lack time usually). It seems to me that there is a rather crude agenda afoot whereby non liberal-democracies are universally depicited as being cruel, oppressive, 'Human Rights' violators. I'm just a little wary of what promotion of 'Human Rights' and Freedom Of Information is really designed to achieve, and at whose expense, as I fear it is anti-statism, ie pro - free-market anarchism, - i.e money/consumerism and ultimately jsut plutocracy/kleptocracy.

This does require one to suspend judgement about the horrific images and reported behaviours etc. That is not the same as denial I hasten to add. One has to ask who the masters of the media are.

71. Davelow 'Kirsty`s biased rant against the Conservatives last night was distasteful . Perhaps it was related in some way to her own alleged association with the underbelly of the Glasgow Labour party?'

If she did have such associations, surely it must be with Old Labour (not New labour), and surley she must eschew any associations with private media companies? Surely that's what one would expect of a high profile, publicly funded, statist, journalist?

STAY CALM AND DRINK LOTS OF MILK

Remember all those years that ulcers were self-inflicted? Then a lot more years when they were DEFINITELY NOT due to a bacterium?

WELL - lots in the news about schizophrenia and a 'cat virus'. What other mental illnesses will turn out to be pathogen-mediated?

Always another angle - especially when addressing certainty.

Climate 'science' anyone?

Shhhh you know who?

On the relationship between violence and mental illness.

Is there any hope beyond Pandora?

74. barriesingleton Is there a link between people who like cats and mental illness?

Buy a can of woof-o-meat today (free dog supplied for limited period)!

#74

Ah, but I've read, Barrie, that too much milk produce can give one an ulcer and so can, apparently, Asprine.

mim

#69 & #62 addendum

Ecolizzy

Poor psychiatrists spend so much time writing prescriptions out that they run out of steam to have a simple, humane talk with their patients.

Joking apart, there are shrinks and shrinks. Some are much better than others and some outright bonkers.

I'm sure it's a stressful job working as a psychiatrist but then if this is their choice then there is no point feeling sorry for them. It can also be very stressful to work as a medical secretary for let's say brain surgeons when one is constantly faced with patients in either extreme pain or at death's door. And then one has to be both diplomatic and psychologically astute not to disturb the right kind of balance between the Consultant, quite often playing 'god', and the stressed, more often than not understandably, patient.

mim

#70 statist

"We need to manage the population is the bottom line. The birth and immigration rate as this is all genetic."

Yes I am not sure whether you and your buddies on the far right are really spelling out what you think here.

Why not try that old jaded_jean phrase 'race "realism" ' and mention that you think eugenics a good idea as advocated by Hitler.

Jaded_jean was not a Nazi but wanted to replace democracy with National Socialism.

The Holocaust according to that sad poster was made up "to put people off statism" and it was of course it was done by people who were ... "statists" like Stalin.

Bu the way is that the sort of "statism" you are advocating as you use that as a tag?

As ever the science shows that there are no significant differences between the races and therefore race should never be a component in deciding the merits and demerits of immigration.

#67 statist

"
Uh oh you are becoming radicalised. Call yourself in to the NBH or MI5 without delay. Alternatively, look up a Third Sector Anger Management Hotline. It could be a mental illness! You might vote BNP!"

Well given the BNP under Nick Griffin have accepted the EHRC demand that they comply with the law on non-racial membership and the fact that they are "not a Nazi party" they are "modern and progressive" they are not radical.

They certainly would not approve of your racial analysis would they?

But of course they - like you - may not be being entirely honest about what they believe.

#66 statist

"Some encourage viewers/potential voters to gloss over the finer details as it suits them to have dumb voters."

This deserves a prize!

When you were posting as jaded_jean you used to proclaim that the Holocaust was "made up to put people off statism".

I note that your latest incarnation does not try to refute the notion of the Holocaust through additional duff statistics - that never showed up at any Nazi war criminal defence.

You used to try and show how National Socialism was quite close to the left and Stalinism - never mentioning the twenty million Russians killed byt he Nazis.

By the way the glossing would probably not be done by the voters and the your whole philosophy and various persona's are totally flawed - but the far right is about emotional bonding of the socially isolated through hatred as demonstrated by the many would be bombers we have had recently like Lewington.

Do you recall Griffins attitude to that gay pub bombing some years back - he condemned the victims.

As the BNP say of their niche in the far right they are "not Nazis" they are "modern and progressive".

74. barriesingleton 'Climate 'science' anyone?'

'What staggered him, he said, was Acton’s statement that the integrity of the UEA was the most important question. “Surely scientific integrity on the world's leading global question should be the question. Have you not miserably failed?” he asked.'

The Register 2nd March 2010

It's all part of a systematic war of attrition against the state (which includes science), but few will see this, as most get lost in the details, and many of the protagonists won't see how they're being played either.

It's actually less state = more spin, as in a fully statist system, the leaders and party have no fear of what the public has to say given they are there as a dictatorship of the people, and can't be thrown out of power at a whim of the electorate.

Now, is that really such a bad thing for social and economic stability if the government is truly representative of the majority of the people, which it is in Democratic-Centralism?

An experiments in liberal-democracy/terror?

'..60% of China's college graduates choose government as their ideal career.

Chinese government officials are not civil servants in the Western sense, rather they are the people who possess real power.

Against this backdrop, I decided to film a class of eight-year-old schoolchildren in my home city of Wuhan as they went through the process of electing a class monitor.

It was the first time that the post had not been the gift of the teacher and it was the children's first taste of democracy. It turned out to be a cut-throat competition.'

BBC NEWS 7th Oct 2007

My emphasis above.

Thoughts for the day: 1) How many is 'some people'? 2) What is right, what is wrong, and how do you decide?

#78 Yes mim I expect it was a very difficult position to be in for you between consultant and patient.

It appears you enjoyed your work very much, you often mention it.

SCIENCE ATTRACTS THE EMOTIONALLY IMMATURE TO IT'S 'SAFETY ZONE'*

*Or: the 'Science Mind' is not suited in emotional environments.

Hence there will always be a lot of petty (immature) behaviour from scientists. Scientists were involved in internecine strife in the 1950s, to my certain knowledge, and no doubt, long before.

It pays to assess the character of your scientist before you assess his work. He is, after all, just another Confused Ape.

85. bariesingleton 'It pays to assess the character of your scientist before you assess his work. He is, after all, just another Confused Ape.'

Except 'character' assessment is a bit like tea-leaf reading. Best just to just look out there at what happens independent of the reporters and judge them on the basis of how accurate their statements about the world are, eh?

Leave the 'psychology' to 'girlies', in the end it's gossipy nonsense. What blokes are good at is describing behaviour and how it fits together. That has nothing to do with 'character'. Characters are what novelists and script-writers fashion out of their imaginations. Girlies buy those books/mags.

I want to talk about the BBC use of the TV/Radio licence and user participation in terms of the legitimate democratic influence of the licence payer.
I would like to see 10-15 percent of the BBC's expenditure for each year following licence payment decided by the licence payers. This would mean that the BBC (executive and Trust) could decide how to spend 85% or 90% of their income from the licence fee (which I support wholeheartedly), but the listeners and viewers could prioritise the remainder. This would be done by a simple 'tick' list on both the paper and on-line forms on every renewal renewal of each household TV licence. We do not need others to tell us what we want, we need to tell you what we want.

The Schizophrenia - T. Gondi link is virtually a one-man mission by the E Fuller Torrey and his millionaire-funded TAC organization; the former opposes any genetic or social explanations and thinks his sister caught schizophrenia from the cat tray and the latter desperately want to find a cure for their child.

"Unfortunately for the mentally ill person, it's probably the best place for them in an hospital."

No, it's where you want them to be, due to prejudice, regardless of what's best for "them".

TAC-Stanley Family I mean. https://www.narpa.org/media.hype.htm

88-89 Dock 'No, it's where you want them to be, due to prejudice, regardless of what's best for "them".'

I'm not sure 'prejudice' is the right word. Most people/relatives just can't cope with psychotics. They tend to make other people's lives very hard to bear. The same with the elderly with sever cognitive disabilities.

Like so many 'prejudices' the sad reality is that they generally harbour unpalatable truths, and calling them 'prejudiced' just dumps these problems on normal people, often either to save money or just make life more difficult. E Fuller Torrey had Crow excited about a viral theory for a while. Fashions eh?

In the context of the original questin about political correctness (a an anarchist's delight), more people should look into the epidemiological studies on race/ethnicity and violence/mental illness.