Friday 26 February 2010

As much as one might agree with M Sawers, or was it Jonthan (apologies but i'm experiencing a blank about the surname) that it's probably a good idea to protect the Security Forces from unhealthy propaganda, they should clean up their act nevertheless.

mim

..The abuse of such a fundamental Australian document is completely unacceptable...

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/israel-warned-before-on-faking-passport-diplomat/story-e6frg6nf-1225834931697

where is our FO? hiding in their neocon castle? going through the motions? perhaps to help them they need an australian laxative?

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'We are looking at the issue of women in politics and will be speaking to Women's Minister Harriet Harman, who is in New York.

I bet you don't cover the issues I have raised. Harman is misguided, or a very destructive person. The effect is the same.

Who is the Men's Minister by the way?

" The abuse of such a fundamental Australian document is completely unacceptable..."

the subject has been buried, you dont expect it to be made an issue do you?

wonder why this has received so little investigation on nn , the uk's very own Muslim Political Prisoners :

"But a year later, it turns out that it's the sentences that are truly exceptional. Of 119 people arrested, 78 have been charged, all but two of them young ­Muslims (most between the ages of 16 and 19), according to Manchester University's Joanna Gilmore, even though such figures in no way reflect the mix of those who took part. In the past few weeks, 15 have been convicted, mostly of violent disorder, and jailed for between eight months and two-and-a-half years – ­having switched to guilty pleas to avoid heavier terms. Another nine are up to be sentenced tomorrow.

The severity of the charges and sentencing goes far beyond the official response to any other recent anti-war demonstration, or even the violent stop the City protests a decade ago. "

https://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/feb/25/anti-muslim-hatred-threat-to-all

interesting that the iranians have captured the jundollahs leader (our good taliban/al qaeda) - the american financed group that has bases in paksitan and which targets iran and paksitan.

very little coverage .

Perhaps while you have Harriet in the studio, from one woman to another, can you ask her how she feels about the ethnic cleansing of the English.

https://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/160547/Immigration-soars-five-fold-as-Labour-leaves-borders-wide-open-

I've looked on the Beeb web pages but can't find any reference to the ONS survey out on the 25th February '10.

With half million a british leaving the country, and half a million british dying, and half a million immmigrants, + illegale ones coming here, 25 percent foreign birthrate, that up to 75 percent in parts of London, how long before the english do not exist?

7. ecolizzy - You really should take on board the point I made in my response to your observations about The Treasury staffing.

To paraphrase Nietzsche: 'even the bravest of us rarely has the courage to deal with what one truly knows'.

If one wants 'light-touch regulation' (anarchism), one doesn't staff offices of the state with eager beavers, at least, not competent, experienced ones.

It takes skill to sabotage and create sinecures. There are rich picking s to be had, and then, so long as one is a globe-trotter, move on and leave the detritus behind.

Those who do this just don't care about the long run, or most people, just mmarkets/consumers.

Most people won't get it (it's too unpleasant to imagine, or they're too thick to grasp it). Those who do grasp it either can't do enough about it (they are too few) or are busy stopping others from grasping it as it's against their interests for others to grasp it!

Asking Harman would be pointless.

:-(

For the past couple of weeks the BBC has imposed a news blackout on Mossad's involvement in the Dubai identity theft/murder. How absolutely extraordinary that you now turn round and propose to discuss in all seriousness the baseless allegations and innuendo directed towards our own security services. There isn't a shred of evidence for any of the allegations made against MI5 by Neuberger, Mohamid or yourselves.

#8 You really should take on board the point I made in my response to your observations about The Treasury staffing.

Yup I did Stat, but what is one to do about it?

#9 Ah yes MaggieL, we are prepared to rip ourselves to shreds, but never talk about the Israilis, and the Mossad passports. :(

the bbc cuts look a bit tame. given the internet caters for all musical tastes including the yoof market then most radio stations could go including 1xtra.

the bbc had an opportunity to be bold and really cut out the dead wood and focus on making quality programmes that are good enough to export.

9. MaggieL 'There isn't a shred of evidence for any of the allegations made against MI5 by Neuberger, Mohamid or yourselves.

It keeps the image of an alleged evil-doing Muslim in the news though. All most of the public sees is a Muslim looking person and some chatter about terror etc. No evil-doing Jews though.

9.

do you think it would be ignored if iran had done something similar? or would it have been wall to to wall coverage?

10. ecolizzy 'Yup I did Stat, but what is one to do about it?'

Rock (like barriesingleton), moan, complain and.. err..... develop your 'bullying' skills?

(Me...earlier..too much coffee perhaps?)

MI5 are a terrorist organisation, they have been getting away with subversive activities for far too long and should either be disbanded or made more accountable. They claim to have infiltrated organisations such as the RIRA, is it a coincidence that groups such as the RIRA are growing in strength and capability? Where are the arrests as a result of infiltration?

Who's running who is the question that needs answered!!!

given we seem to be repeating crusading times then here is a song attributed to Richard the Lionheart.

it makes me think of some squaddie stuck out on a 4hr sentry duty in afghhanistan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT6e9sXGj_I&feature=related

Brightyanthing

I see you've come back with a gusto. Nothing for a few days and suddenly an outpour. Welcome back.

As you probably gather I do not agree with you about everything but then I suspect you sometimes say things as a way of a challenge rather than strictly conveying at all times your own deep felt convictions. A bit like statist, for example, but statist and Jaded_Jean, who has been banned and whose posts were very similar to those of statist and sometimes jauntycyclist, would not accept any criticism.

What kind of statement is it: 'No pain, no gain'? Is he some kind of sadist, or a torturer?

That's why it is so refreshing to see Tim's posts with which I would tend to agree on most points. But, trying to talk to people like statist is like talking to a brick wall and Tim is right about him 'trying to provoke'. Sometimes, even if he gets criticised my vision is of him jumping up and down feeling 'happy' about getting at least some kind of reply. And here sadomasochism springs to mind.

mim

mim

..would not accept any criticism. ...

still bearing false witness? you seem to spend your time not on current news or debating points but on poison against other posters or self indulgent trash unrelated to news. you have been recently doing a few posts against me and i have said nothing to your ego maniacal ranting. so stop bearing false witness.

I have just received the following which are cause for concern for security during the games of 2010 in South Africa:
Please check it out and react as you see fit

Thank you

https://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2010/02/radical-islamists-incite-sa-blacks-to.html

#3

Brightyangthing

Can't you 'correct' your post at #3? It would be interesting to see what you wanted to say.

Mine at #1 has not been passed through yet. I talked about the Security Forces and the idea that unhealthy propaganda may prevent the MI5 from open cooperation with the media and the public regarding the 'alleged' torture, etc., but I didn't think it was offensive apart from the fact that I'd momentarily forgot the full name of the head of the MI5. i

I don't mind it not seeing the light of day on here but wanted to convey my thoughts directly to the Services and as I do not have any other access to them, I've allowed myself to post it via Newsnight, especially that the issue of torture and the MI5 are going to be discussed tonight.

mim
mim

IAIN DUNCAN SMITH STILL UNCHALLENGED OVER THE WAR HE GIFTED TONY.

IDS has just said on Radio 4: "We have accountability" - referring to torture. But the torture being discussed, IS A DIRECT OUTCOME OF WAR, a war he gifted to B Liar because IDS had neither the nous nor balls to stand his ground. Currently he swans around doing caring 'elder statesman'. ENOUGH! He must appear before Chilcot to stand ACCOUNTABLE.

MISSING THE POINT


"....But can initiatives of this kind really make a difference to women's lives?"

Surely we should be looking at the much bigger picture. Can ANY initiatives make a difference to ANY lives. Why the need to single out women. What's wrong with their/my/our lives?

You (NN) took umbrage (misunderstood) my earlier post. Perhaps this will be approved.



Msg 3 - edited. If this gets through, then the sad fact of the mind of the editor is a damning indictment of the sad state of society today.

#3 re run

GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN...............

"...We are looking at the issue of women in politics and will be speaking to Women's Minister Harriet Harman, who is in New York."

Oh Good grief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Inviting the wrath of the Sisterhood, but surely it has been known for centuries that Politics is man shaped. Why do women struggle so hard to try and force themselves, uncomfortably and disastrously into it.

There is a role for women in politics - but it is providing a sound and grounded home space for the proponents thereof.

I am sure Clementine Churchill had a strong influence in public life whilst seldom taking a seat in the Lords as accorded to her by rights of birth.


Mim

Taking a night off. I have experienced a seasonal work surge and could have lived without flooding (snow melt) invading my house in three places yesterday.

".....As you probably gather I do not agree with you about everything .."

No probs. I enjoy and maintain close friendships with many who do not agree with everything I say or think nor I them.

"....but then I suspect you sometimes say things as a way of a challenge rather than strictly conveying at all times your own deep felt convictions."

You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

Brightyangthing

Do you think it's self indulgent trash (as per #19) wriring a few verses on a brave young lady who had lost her mother on the Olympic site /last Sunday/ and who managed to anovercome her sadness and, I bet, utter despair, and who went out there on ice to skate in front of millions of people?

By the way, the girl's name is Joannie Rochette and she did in fact win a bronze medal. I really like the way she interprets music, and last night particularly with her face and hands.

mim

BACK FOR ANOTHER TRY ATTN. STATIST

Taking as 'given' the deliberate destruction of our culture by dumbing everything down, and promoting individualism, what is the chain of command from 'Disruption HQ' to the end-result in our midst? For example: you imply Brown re-staffed the Treasury with inexperienced functionaries. From whom did Brown take that order?

Your response will need to be much more focused and much less opaque than usual, if I am to be informed by it to the degree you would wish.

23. brightyangthing 'I enjoy and maintain close friendships with many who do not agree with everything I say or think nor I them.'

Sensible, healthy and sane. In fact, it could be soundly argued that those who only like those who think, talk and otherwise behave like themselves, essentially only like themselves, and thus have next nothing to learn from, or contribute to, others.

Narcissism is a kind of psychological/behavioural/social blindness.

25. barriesingleton Opaque? This has been going on openly since Thatcher came to power. The Conservatives explicitly embarked on a state-busting programme. Remember what she used to say about the 'Evil Empire' (USSR)? People should have known she had her eye on the state here. Our Civil Service managed a lot before 1979, it had been built up by Old Labour since after WWII. In the 80s and 90s it was the turn of the Home Office (Prisons first, then Probation) to be hit, but it wasn't alone.

Departments were made into 'agencies', and, where possible, aspects were privatised. This continued under New Labour. It doesn't matter to what extent 'orders' were given, it was done under the excuse of improved efficiency, 'market-testing' etc. The worst of it was through equalities driven quotas in staffing, i.e where recruitment was to be a function of local population rates or sex equality knowing very well that females went on maternity leave. If one assumes all groups are the same one won't think there's a problem there.

Budgets were devolved to the front line, and then HQs made poweless. It was a divide and conquer strategy. People started leaving for industry. Those left behind were passed over by incompetents etc. It was cleverly done. Most Senior Civil Servants will do as they are told, regardless.

Still, Here's something from Oct 2009. I promise you, what I am saying is all too familiar to those who know Whitehall. It's just that the public doesn't get it - mainly, they don't care because it isn't happening to them. Even when it was happening to Whitehall Departments in the 80s and 90s, most junior Civil Servants just didn't get it. People work in silos.

This is how 'reform' was/is done. Now the UK Public Sector is a mess.

Trust me.

#7/8
Office of National Statistics figures published yesterday showed that the influx is continuing despite the recession hitting jobs.

"The number of grants of settlements linked to jobs – giving foreigners the right to stay in Britain but falling just short of full citizenship entitlements – rose from 37,000 in 2007 to more than 60,000 in 2008 and 81,000 last year"

The build up of foreigners known as 'Managed Immigration' as most will be eligible (and grateful to Nulabor, and the 'opposition' Bluelabor and Libs) to vote in the forthcoming General Election.

'What is one to do about it?'
I can only suggest becoming radicalised - taking to the streets to canvas, support and vote for candidates who have spoken out against this ethnic cleansing, such as UKIP and others.

#23

Brightyanthing

I find it difficult to believe that you have so little faith in women's capabilities as, after reading so many of your astute posts on many a subject, I thougght you could be a good politician or a journalist for that matter.

In fact, I don't think sexuality has that much bearing on whether one is or could be a good politician. The world has known many ferocious queens or leaders as well as quite a few relatively kind and sensitive kings and politicians.

mim

25. barriesingleton 'Your response will need to be much more focused and much less opaque than usual, if I am to be informed by it to the degree you would wish.'

With all due respect, I don't really care whether you believe me or not. It has been done. I know this for reasons which I am not prepared to disclose, but it is also obvious to all 'in the business'. This is how liberal-democracy works, i.e 'Small Government', and it's why it's so hostile to statism (Big Government') abroad. Big Government was called 'The Commanding Heights (watch the video online). Liberal-democracy thrives on consumerism - individual 'choice'. The state regulates, i.e the state manages, but that's bad for 'choice', bad for capital flow/growth. Growth depends on volatile markets -'Planned Chaos' as Von Mises called it.

3 out 4 of the lead NN presenters are Jewish....given that only 2% of the population are Jewish...the chances of this situation arising is 17 million to one.
i.e. more chance of a single Jewish person winning the lottery in a single year....mind boggling!

Peter @ 20.
regarding your link: the BBC would never report stories like that.

Question time last night: the Anti-English sentiment shown from a Welsh audience when a question was asked about Englands footballer John Terry..was somehow laughed off as just a bit of fun. If it had been an English audience with anti-welsh comments, there would have been uproar, police inquires, a big BBC news report on it, lessons learnt with the help of more diversity work-shops and more anti-terrorism laws amended... and maybe another quango headed by another overpaid hatefull hack... probably someone like a failed Politician - think Jack Straw/Harriet Harwoman. And all funded by YOU! Thats how it usually works.

" how long before the english do not exist?"
why should they exist at all?

Brightyangthing

Despite attempting to check my texts, the cursor on my laptop shifts itself with a slightest touch on the arrowed area and hence the numerous spelling mistakes.

moshtarak, undertaken to show how careful we are in protesting afghan lives, we killed 60 civilians in recent days (discounting the alleged 100 so called taliban ) the taliban are said to have killed 6.

in the last year the isaf/usa killed 130 kids.

why do we continue with the myth of our humanity and decency whilst we have been so much part of torture, abuse mass killings and support for rogue nations to whom we cannot speak a word against.

Women should stay at home and raise kids. Womens liberation - funded by the Rothchilds (Jewish banking house) was just a way in getting women in the work place, more tax paid, more loans and debts for banks to create for the 'fairer' sex. At least women have discovered how hard it actually is to pay off a mortgage, most don't though because they end up having children, work part time and the mug husband has to work longer hrs to meet the monthly mortgage payments. And remember this, house prices surged upwards when the two income household became the norm. You could say the womens liberation movement have made man - and some hardworking women - more deeply enslaved than they were before.

Harriet was not happy with Gavin.."Gavin, take that back"..Gavin did'nt.

Re this evening's programme, in the section on women's rights etc, when Justin declared " Us men still take 89% of the top jobs", I felt: send Justin back to school or at least get someone at the BBC to correct this awful grammar.

Women have babies and take time off work to bring them up, men don't, hence average differences in lifetime earnings. Women have smaller brains than men; women have less muscle mass than men; women are shorter than men; women are less intelligent than men (especially in the upper tail). Women choose different subjects at A level and university to men.

After all the research and published international evidence, what does Ms Harman come out with? Answer: irrational nonsense! And some wonder why this country is going down the pan.

Any dissenters, please learn some statistics, and read the research on sex differneces. Men and women as groups are not equal.

Harman can not answer straight questions.

A silly woman. Women should be ashamed of her. Many educated women will be.

barriesingleton - How many times have I said that intentions don't matter? Outcomes matter! This is a scientific law.

Behaviour is controlled by consequences, i.e. outcomes, not intentions. Fact.

31. freemarketanarchy 'given that only 2% of the population are Jewish'

Actually, only half a percent (0.5%, i.e 300,000) of the UK population is Jewish (the same percentage as British Chinese).

2% of the US population is Jewish.

You've overstated the UK Jewish population by a factor of 4.

Nevermind, most viewers won't grasp the significance any more than they will see what was wrong with what Justin and Harriet said. This country is now largely stupid. People just 'argue' like kids.

British Intelligence:

https://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/rrtalk.htm

#25 Barrie what started Stat off about the treasury was my post yesterday about the programme on the Beeb about The Treasury! And I quote my post #106........

I watched a programme about the Treasury last night on Beeb 4, one of the comments was very interesting. Brown had so spring cleaned and rebuilt at great expense the treasury, that it now consisted of only young staff with less experience. Apparently only 4 staff remained from past times, when we had sunk into recession. So when this enormous depression, as bad as the '20s one came along, there was NO EXPERIENCE in the treasury to cope with the crisis.

It also said Thatcher hated the treasury and thought it was too secretive and she didn't know what was going on there! I think she made a lot of changes to it as well.

THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO STATIST - TIME FOR PEER REVIEW? (various posts)

I am not going to 'take you on' Statist, as you clearly believe yourself unassailable, and I know you would be the first to declare such assault illogical. (I would just point out that such a stance is unscientific.)

However, I wonder if I can persuade you to tap into the grapevine of whatever scientific arena you function in (or are affiliated to) with a view to securing a peer to review of - say - ten of your posts from the last 24 hours of NN blog?

I truly feel that you might do the world more good investigating your own shortcomings (as revealed in recent posts) before returning to those of other posters.

'O Wad Some Pow'r The Giftie Gie Us...

one should note that the nickname 'Moshtarak' derives from the same arabic root as 'shirk' (idolatry)- though pentagon planners (and newsnight reporters) dont register such subtleties the locals surely do.

meanwhile al-jazeera quoted the former israeli army chief of staff Dan halutz as hailing the assassination crime of mabhouh. he said in a lecture at tel aviv university that any person like mabhouh should think a thousand times before embarking on any activity such as travel.

halutz described the assassination of mabhouh and that of emad mughniye the lebanese hizbullah military commander as 'deterrent acts' in an indication that israel was the one that behind those murders and where some 26 of its operatives have been compromised..

whilst elsewhere member of the israeli parliament yariv levin has called for liquidating' ismail haneyya the palestinian premier in the gaza strip similar to what happened to mahmoud al-mabhouh

https://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/160553/Protests-at-one-sided-BBC-probe

Did anyone here complain?

DUCKS IN A ROW (#42)

Oh yes Lizzy - I was well aware of the sequence of posts. But Statist made clear his view that Brown was part of the evisceration of effective governance, by deliberate replacement of competent officers.

My problem is trying to understand the prime-mover in our destruction (Blofeld/Dr No) and the intermediate functionaries of whom Brown is - presumably - one. But then, I still can't fathom why all the big fish in Westminster, voted to be Minnows in the EU pool either! Are their families being held hostage? Have they all been fitted with exploding trusses (one size fits all). Are they duplicate zombies out of giant bean pods. I am truly at a loss to understand HOW what seems to be 'going on' is effected. Statist just repeats WHAT is going on. That won't do at all.

#44

Mr Barrie Singleton

I have saved your post at #44, the practice of which I gave up on quite a long time ago.

Do you know that since 4 October 2008 I have been running a document 'Don Quixot and Pearls in Search of the Truth' with the title having been partly stimulated by the picture in the top right corner of your website? It's also a coincidence that the poem on your front page talks about pearls as well.

The document consists of all my posts as well as of some of the other Newsnight bloggers. It is 1046 pages long.

P.S. I hope you didn't scare your sons into not giving you grandchildren by talking to them about the 'crime of having kids'. The rest of you sex education chosen method sounds great.

Hope you have a good weekend

mad madame mim

#47 addendum

I might as well add that my document entitled 'Don Quixot & Pearls in Search of the Truth' is illustrated by a photo taken with my own hands and eyes which shows a statue sculpted by George Frederic Watts /link below/ and which can be admired at Kensington Palace Gardens past the lake if one looks from the path running alongside the Palace. It can also be reached from other directions, including via the path leading from the Albert Memorial.

Mr Watts is also the author of 'Hope' which Jeremy Paxman talks about in his book 'The Victorians' and which, apparently, is Barack Obama's favourite painting.

It really is worth a stroll going to see the statue, especially on a sunny day!

mim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Frederic_Watts

When talking about history, Singie spoke about stomachs
And how their strength mattered when facing the wack
When facing virtually unpalatable stack
Of ‘ideological’ truths and in fact of facts
‘Dreamed up’ well back in the past
By 2 wannabies still talking of ‘ducks’.

The ‘symbolic’ meaning of ducks can be supplied upon special requests.

mim

Miss Match and her Niece on a world tour

There is a catch to mighty Miss Match
While on a world tour went she

Seeking some peace and taking her niece
First went off to café ‘Caprice’

Coffee had she and coffee had she
Which they enjoyed with ponderous glee

To ponder they liked over ice-cream
Weaving a web of subconscious stream

What happened next? Just wait and see
The author first needs to go for a pee.

Coffee for lunch and coffee for tea
Each day they had with usual glee.

mim

Once upon a time there appeared
Two different types of engineers.
One that of science, the other of ‘soul’.
Science is science, equation and fact.
Meddle with soul when not learned to crawl?
Digging themselves deep in a hole.

mim

43. barriesingleton 'However, I wonder if I can persuade you to tap into the grapevine of whatever scientific arena you function in (or are affiliated to) with a view to securing a peer to review of - say - ten of your posts from the last 24 hours of NN blog?'

Go and 'tap into it' yourself, i.e. by doing some work on the web.

barriesingleton - 'But Statist made clear his view that Brown was part of the evisceration of effective governance, by deliberate replacement of competent officers.'

Where did I write that Mr Brown himself did this?

What I have said is that sinecures have been created, that people have been put into posts/jobs who are not competent/qualified/resourced to do those jobs, and the offices of state eroded.

You don't appear to have much idea how the Civil Service has been operating (clobbered) in recent (the last 30 years) times. Try to take this simple principle on board: the Finanacial Service sector does not like politicians/government meddling in their markets. Remember the currency battles in past? Who won?

barriesingleton - Statist just repeats WHAT is going on. That won't do at all.

JUST? This mistake pervades many of your posts. You personalise far too much (hence the personal profiles of who you think the prime movers are). You want prime movers, but don't appear to understand that this is not the way anything works. Politics, like everything else, is a matter of managing organisatinal/structural contingencies. One has to look to what happens and change those contingencies. This one has to idnetify and explicate what happens. The agents of change per se are not that important, as they can be, and frequently are, replaced. They don't even write their own speeches. Some politicians are ex actors, PR perople.

#45 liz “Did anyone here complain?”

A few of us did liz, and we also commented on the sub-headline on that same Daily Express link:Immigration soars five-fold as Labour leaves borders 'wide open'.

However, it seems that BBC and most NN bloggers are more focussed on happenings elsewhere in the world than in the ongoing catastrophic destruction of our own society. Perhaps they are fifth columnists?

Confirms Toynbee’s observation, that most societies die by suicide and not by murder. Whilst a few of us are on suicide watch the government (and so-called opposition) are hell-bent on genocide of the English.

Get radicalised liz – vote UKIP or one of the ‘radical’ parties or independents whose default position, like ours, is preservation of our heritage .

As to WHY this anarchistic debacle has been allowed to happen, well, who knows? One reason may be because the USA doesn't need a strong UK/UK economically (especially now the USSR is no more) anymore (it did after WII to halt the spread of socialism), another may be that the UK is falling apart via devolution and the idea is make it a set of mini states within the EU (i.e the old 'British' offices of state need to be uprooted and re-aligned with those of Brussels instead). Another is that it is just cockup through mass immigration and too many dumb people having kids and not enough smart folk etc. Another is that the more individuals i.e consumers, the more the supermarkets and other retailers, banks etc make a killing out of their profligacy. Who knows, maybe all of that? The point to grasp is that it IS all happening, and we're not exactly electing governments which build Britain and run Public Services effectively.

Incidentally, what's all this talk of MI5? Shouldn't it be MI6 abroad? Didn't Binyam Mohamed celebrity lawyer make this point? Didn't that point get made on NN?

#54 statist
"barriesingleton - Statist just repeats WHAT is going on. That won't do at all." "JUST? This mistake pervades many of your posts. You personalise far too much."

My apologies as an innocent bystander, for tapping into your dialogue, but I believe that we have reached a stage in the destruction of our nation that justifies a 'People Power' action plan.

I am indebted to both those who enlighten me by trolling the web and exposing things that should be 'open and transparent' and those who highlight and interpret them with their wisdom.

With regard to personalisation, there is a case for knowing something about the credentials and experience of individuals who proselytise on this blog, that is why I quote my background. I now know quite a bit about but barrie - but statist?

I’m thinking on dittying on Brown
Desperately trying to keep secret
The best known secret in town.
For which a Nobel Prize he’s hoping to get.
Oh, what a jest. Dry is he this morning or wet?

mim

55. indignantindegene 'Get radicalised liz – vote UKIP or one of the ‘radical’ parties or independents whose default position, like ours, is preservation of our heritage.'

She'd get branded a 'terrorist', 'racist' or worse, a 'White Supremacist', by the forces of hell. She'd feel bad. She wouldn't like feeling bad. Odd how there are special interest groups for all minority groups except white gentile males.

Nobody talks much about 'Jewish Supremacists', 'Female Supremacists', 'Black Supremacists 'etc do they?

That should show who's really in the frame in this age-old power struggle.

As always what one should do (most won't mind, it's too much work), is assume to start that all groups are equal, and then, bearing in mind the sizes of the sub-populations, look at the actual frequencies of representation of each sub-group in positions of power etc, taking education etc into account. If the numbers look odd (ceteris paribus), then something is odd. That's basic science, that is.

Anything else is irrational/denial/bluster. But then, we live in an age of bluster and offended 'feelings', where everyone is equal regardless, and nobody can tell anyone anything ('you can't tell me what to do/think/believe' - kids now say that in schools!).

It's a free country - and a mess of one.

'Mr Hain said he had acknowledged the recession had been “very tough” for people and congratulated people for the sacrifices they had made.

Labour former minister Kim Howells (Pontypridd) said Wales needed to break its “enormous dependence” on the public sector.

“If Wales does not reinvent itself as a home for entrepreneurs, for small businesses and for high technologies then we will miss out on the new generation of industries in future,” he said.

Mr Hain said he “couldn’t agree more” but that encouraging small business and entrepreneurs would initially require Government support'

This is New Labour, can you believe it?

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/7325441/BBC-plans-to-scale-back-website-and-radio-stations.html

You lot will realise how crazy all this is when the end game is hyper-inflation and you fully see how the rest of us who are not middle - upper middle class and in management jobs have to live. No matter who you are you will not escape hyper-inflation in the UK or probably the US. You will listen to the things that you want to hear about the economy - Peston and Flanders - The reality will be a shock.

A union is talking about a strike - oh please.

One example of stupidity - how much are we paying for presenters and guests to go to Glasgow for the review show instead of the common sense money saving Newsnight studio ?

The future is on the web with super-fast broadband and higher quality webcam's with people like Peston giving his views from his home and not excuse after excuse to wast money on yourselves while everything else goes down the pan.

"The report is the culmination of fierce debate within the BBC about its spending priorities. One senior programme-maker said that “we need to stop spending money on ourselves, on projects like Broadcasting House and the move to Salford, and spend more on content”."

Gosh I never .

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This relates back to an earlier discussion.

This is one for the Harriet Harman fans to give some serious thought to. I suggest this behaviour is far more representative of reality than many care to admit. It illustrates the way in which reality is neglected for inner thought. This behaviour, is, I suggest, precisely the opposite of what males tend to do. Males are constantly reinforced not to do this by each other. They are, however, often chided (nagged) for their 'lack of imagination' by females.

Question: If this chiding works en mass, what will be the ultimate consequences for social and physical infrastructure? What if females can't see this because of how their brains are made? What if the number of places in science and technology start to shrink?

This is indeed happening - see House of Lords education debate 25th Feb.

Further to my comment on relevant experience, I offer my take on ‘Equality’.
Whilst working in a third world country an issue arose about the conditions in local prisons. A few ‘expats had been given custodial sentences and had complained about conditions – sleeping on the floor in cockroach and rat infested cells and with just some lumpy maize porridge and water was no great punishment for local criminals, but should the expats be provided with somewhat less punishing conditions compared to their normal standard of life – or would that be unfair and lack Equality? Alternatively, to raise standards for all would result in queues of locals wanting to enjoy the ‘luxuries’ of prison. We accept that UK consular staff should do their utmost to repatriate UK citizens from incarceration in prisons in some Asian and South American prisons, to the comparative luxury of UK prisons with TV, study facilities, games equipment and all elf ‘n safety requirements.

Another experience of ‘inequality’ was in a study conducted into differences in wage and salary levels in a remote minesite overseas. Australians who had sacrificed their home status and conditions for development in this wild country were paid significantly more than contract Ozzies, who were in turn paid more than Brits, and with Asians further down the totem pole of pay and with nationals way down at the bottom. Unfair? Of course not; the expats had to be paid sufficiently more than their relative rates back home in order to attract them into the unknown, whereas the 3rd-world country could not afford more than their ‘going rate’. I explained that locals could gain training and experience and become ‘expats’ themselves, and paid much of the expats’ salaries off-site to avoid in-your-face differences in living standards.

The above examples are relevant to the endless queue of immigrants wishing to exchange poverty at home for the comparative luxury of UK. It suggests that pay rates and condition should bear some comparison with those at source. Such a formula should provide a higher rate of pay (than benefits) to attract local unskilled workers, supplemented by recruitment from overseas where needed, on contract and pay rates appropriate to their home countries. Equality is No way Jose.

57. indignantindegene 'I now know quite a bit about but barrie - but statist?'

It's intentional.

Mr Singleton clearly wants to be personally recognised, he had political aspirations. But those who use anonymous IDs clearly do not. There may be all sorts of good reasons for this.

My basic assertion is that what is said is what's important, not who says it. It is just a fact that in science and elsewhere, it is propositions which are true or false, not the agent who expresses them.

Celebrity/auhoritative endorsement is therfore a very sad sign of our corrupt/decadent culture, and I for one, want no part of it. It is another instance of the all too irrational ad hominem.

Alas, all too few today understand how and why this is a very serious problem. They become distracted by 'personalities'. They are prone to misattribute cause. They are suckered into the ineffable world of the psychological, which is just a sink-hole.

I am subtly (and at times not so subtly via shock-tactics) trying to benevolently enlighten people to wake up to this, and focus on what really matters instead.

#6,
"My basic assertion is that what is said is what's important, not who says it. It is just a fact that in science and elsewhere, it is propositions which are true or false, not the agent who expresses them."

I appreciate your point, but it is a counsel of perfection, as most people particularly 'grateful voters' are swayed by personality. As you state, it is outcomes that matter, so regrettably we need to use their motivations if we are to have any influence on their votes.

"Celebrity/auhoritative endorsement is therfore a very sad sign of our corrupt/decadent culture, and I for one, want no part of it. It is another instance of the all too irrational ad hominem."

There's the 'national suicide' alarm going off again. If it's a jungle then it's no good remaining intellectually aloof, though a few well-worn quotes from acknowledged thinkers and past statesmen often carry some weight, like putting the descartes before the horse perhaps?

24.
There's nothing wrong with sitting at home writing doggerel but your motives for inflicting it on others is a bit harder to explain.

Have a look at the reviews. Oh if the Review Show covered this sort of thing.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rise-New-Labour-Pocket-Essentials/dp/1903047838/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215530611&sr=1-2

#59 Peter Hain condemns 'vile' racist organisations

"During a Commons debate on Welsh Affairs, Mr Hain also cautioned against the threat of the British National Party. “These far-right groups first tried it on in Swansea, then abandoned their vile demonstration plans in Newport and Wrexham in the face of decent, concerted community action. But we must not be complacent. Wherever the so-called Welsh Defence League and the British National Party threaten our decent, tolerant communities in Wales we must all stand together to resist them.”

"During the debate, Mr Hain highlighted a number of Government schemes which he said had helped Wales to weather the storm of recession and prepare for growth.”

Did that include the proposed huge new Halal butchery project in Wales, that will presumably offer certain jobs only to ‘Halal qualified’ workers?

66. indignantindegene 'There's the 'national suicide' alarm going off again. If it's a jungle then it's no good remaining intellectually aloof, though a few well-worn quotes from acknowledged thinkers and past statesmen often carry some weight, like putting the descartes before the horse perhaps?'

You don't get it.

If you play the same corrupt game all you are is corrupt.

This is why Germany dispensed with democracy in the 1930s. It's why China practices Democratic-Centralism today. It's also why liberal-democracy is going down the pan.

I remind you, our 'wars on terror' and 'state sponsors of terrorism' are wars against systems of government which are not liberal-democratic aka libertarian aka anarchistic!

See Hain above. This is allegedly a Labour politician! In fact he's an anarchist, a social-democrat, a free-market libertarian like Thatcher.

PS. I bet Mandela is appalled at what the ANC has done to S Africa!

#24 & #67

Skip them then, MaggieL, just as I am going to do with most of today's posts sent by Statist & co.

By the way according to:
the 'Universal Polish-English Dictionnary:

magiel /a masculine noun/ magiel means - linen press; mangle wringer

happy blogging!

69. indignantindegene Quoting Hain “These far-right groups first tried it on in Swansea"

This is how the dirty trick is played against the left and the nation state. The BNP is labelled 'extreme right', when in fact, the extreme right are libertarians. i.e. anti-statists. The extreme right rolls back the state, i.e government. It is the left-wing which promotes statism, i.e. public ownership by the people, for the people. Increases in immigration and anti-racism are divisive tools of the far-right, i.e the free-marketeers, because it's guaranteed to demolish a sense of national identity and cohesion, both of which are required for public ownership to work.

The British people are being brain-washed by anarchists like Hain, who, like Harman, Blair etc, only know how to destroy, not build. I'm no fan of Nick Griffin or the BNP, but a lot of what he says about a campaign of lies against him and the BNP is true. They will get Old Labour votes because they are the only party coming close to Old Labour polices. The problem is they don't have credible policies and their position on race is naive.

Are the security services 'guardians'?

there seems a misunderstanding of that classical term?

there is no moral maze if you are fighting FOR human rights and rule of law. A 'war against terror' narrative allows any method because it does not state what values it is for.

there seems a collapse of political science and statecraft? If one was to watch only one lecture on this subject of statecraft from the Yale political science course it might be this one. Although imo the whole course is worth a go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKLkb4LDi5M&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=8D95DEA9B7DFE825


is it likely they did not know about the methods being used against detainees? Are they really walking about like ivory tower marie antionettes? Having said that the nature of their job allows them to do acts that for the public would be illegal such as phone tapping, burglary etc.

Spot the potential scam: Back pain can be real but can also be feigned to get off work and claim benefits. Send some of the latter people for CBT and they may get better, possibly because it's even more painful to have to lie about one's feelings week after week with a 'therapist'?

Presenter on click news (BBC) just now said 'you get the news on here absolutely free'

That's a lie for most in the UK and I'm complaining on here now.

Lets have the truth please.

ALL THIS PEJORATIVE TALK OF SUICIDE (#66 #70)

If you haven't tried it - don't knock it. No one ever complains about being dead - but few of the living do not, at some time in their life, regret their imposed, sentient status.

No one consults the potential new-life before it is conceived. When that life meets, illness, infirmity, overwhelming debt, depression, etc, the inference is: 'get on with it'. When that life goes wrong, to the degree that it ends up in court, the Judge vilifies it - no mention of lack of option at the start.

The undeniable right to remain unconceived is freely violated (now, with rampant technology applied, even as NATURE HERSELF is also violated) yet the option of leaving by choice is being restrained by such Empathic Humane Giants as Kier Starmer.

A LITTLE PHILOSOPHY HERE?

inequalities?

the head of state has been female for 50 years? which is an institutional discrimination?

as for the sexualisation then it seems, logically, they are calling for the burkha? no sex object then?

An interesting paper?

#70/72
"You don't get it. If you play the same corrupt game all you are is corrupt. This is why Germany dispensed with democracy in the 1930s. It's why China practices Democratic-Centralism today. It's also why liberal-democracy is going down the pan....I bet Mandela is appalled at what the ANC has done to S Africa! See Hain above. This is allegedly a Labour politician! In fact he's an anarchist, a social-democrat, a free-market libertarian like Thatcher."

I'm with you lock, stock and smoking barrel, but I'm focussed on our national destruction, not Germany, China or South Africa, or even Wales!

You don't get it, though you have said that it is outcomes that matter. So let's have some solutions and action plans. Fight fire with fire and radicalise, instead of classifying and naming of the parts. Campaign, support and vote Radical, to at least get some firebreathing souls in Westminster, like UKIP's performance at EU. We need to shake off the Lethargy, Apathy and Complacency, and discriminate in our use of tolerance.

NO INDISCRIMINATE DISCRIMINATION! FORWARD WITH TOLERABLE TOLERANCE! (#79)

I'm marching IDG2. I name no parts (even those which you have not got). Let's hope the buggers don't ban banners, on grounds of subversive alliteration!

Will you be in the local high-street challenging the sleepwalking voters IDG2? My current plan is to carry a 'pole' made up of head-to-toe, oversized Jelly Babies, redolent of the spineless, whipped MP. On top of the pole will be a cartoon rosette, symbolic of the party that dominates the MP and holds the voter in contempt. My question to the public will be: "did you vote for the pole or the rosette last time?"

#70 Statist

“ .... If you play the same corrupt game all you are is corrupt.”

Indeed. But is it truly possible to clean out the pigsty without standing in the muck and getting dirty?

The trick, if indeed there is one when the mire is so deep, might be to extricate oneself before one decided that the pigsty would be an okay place to live if one was able to get it diamond encrusted and serviced regularly by someone else.

Where do we begin to find enough ‘good men and true’ with ideals high enough to entrust with the the pressure washer?

#72 Statist

You say that the BNP " is coming close to old Labour " I would suggest that you read their environment policy, a blend of eco-fascism and animal rights claptrap which will put half of British farmers out of business. Equally hilarious ( if it wasn't so serious ) plans for mag lev trains, at a a time when the funding can't be found to replace existing front line express trains when they wear out. Similarly using hydrogen as a fuel to protect our environment, pure engineering illiteracy ( just for those who have not covered this blog for the last year Hydrogen has to be made by passing electricity through water, or wastefully stripped out of natural gas ).

As for the BNP bleating about free speech the comments section of their web site news section is censorship city, no views contrary to the party line allowed. They would appear to be a Nazi Party as the Gangofone continually attempts to portray, but its got nothing to do with their latent Islamophobia.

Last Night I watched Robert ( Lord ) Winston on BBC Hardtalk where he inferred that climate change science has been abused by current politicians in a way similar to what you might have expected from Hitler or Stalin !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00r3v6y/HARDtalk_Lord_Winston_Professor_of_Science_and_Society/

#81

Brightyangthing,


As is quite often the case,

You've brought a smile to my face (^_^)!

mim

..Hydrogen has to be made by passing electricity through water..

the electricity can be renewable.....

80

the march?

all you have to do is start taking photographs of lamposts and you will be arrested as a terrorist quicker than you can say Belmarsh.

79. indignantindegene 'I'm focussed on our national destruction, not Germany, China or South Africa, or even Wales!'

So am I, but one has to look abroad to see what is, and is not happening here. What's going on here is too familiar for most to see. What we don't get enough of on NN, or anywhere else, is the alternative system, presented in a fair light. China's is interesting. So is Cuba's (on BBC now though).

By focusing more attention on what's going on, and what we are not seeing, I'm expecting more to wake up - to discriminate more. That's about all one can do, I fear. We have, for far too long, been induced to hate Old Labour policies, often without knowing it. Old Labour values were essentially extended family values.

I am basically apolitical, I just despise bias, vanity and deceit...oh and poisonous, intransigent, incorrigible, people.

Liz

7 & 45

Overcrowding in the South East has nothing to do with Labour immigration policy, well that's the impression London News gave on Friday.

IN DEFENCE OF HYDROGEN (#82)

There is at least one cogent proponent of Hydrogen who has stuff on the Web.

If you have a wind turbine and a source of water, you can produce hydrogen by electrolysis. There are some elegant ways to compress and store the gas, yielding STORED, TRANSPORTABLE, NON-POLLUTING ENERGY.

When the wind doesn't blow you use some of your store. Being transportable it is suitable for vehicles - even vehicles for transporting hydrogen.

I, personally, prefer tidal power (moon power). We could generate hydrogen all round the coast - EVERY DAY/NIGHT.

I would dearly love to comment but MI5 may have a mole within BBC...and if not...why not?

BYT

I'm kind of staying put today as will need some rest before watching the ice skating gala later tonight. With so many amazing skaters around it should be a feast!

mim

China's is interesting...

if you ignore the gulag system needed to perpetuate its existence. it wouldn't work without the gulag system.

81. brigtyangthing 'Where do we begin to find enough ‘good men and true’ with ideals high enough to entrust with the the pressure washer?'

A couple of years ago, the BBC ran a piece about democratic election in a Chinese Primary School. What I recall is one kid being induced to cry as others used what was essentially a classic liberal-democratic smear campaign to get votes. I couldn't work out whether it was clever satire for the running-dogs and their TV programme! It's worth digging out on the web.

I was impressed by the coverage of village elections of party people. Their system is a pyramid. Real grass roots elections of independents, albeit all in one party. They are viciously critical of those who commit crimes against the people, i.e the selfish. I admire that.

if the beeb do have a mole do you think they know about us? OOOooooohhhhh

NO MOLE AT THE BEEB (#93)

They out-sourced it - axed it - and then had the hole valued at £1.2 billion by PWC to balance the books.

Jaunty / barrie

What are you going to do with all the waste Oxygen from electrolysis, we have enough spontaneous forest fires etc as it is, extra Oxygen in our atmosphere can only increase the risk. Far better to use any electricity generated from tidal sources direct, or use low tech lead acid batteries in trailers for car transport at least. Jaunty just how many wind farms / solar panels do you need to produce enough energy for transport alone, I suggest we don't have the space. In any case solar panels are said to cause more pollution in their manufacture than they can theoretically save in their lifetime.

82. brossen99 'Last Night I watched Robert ( Lord ) Winston on BBC Hardtalk where he inferred that climate change science has been abused by current politicians in a way similar to what you might have expected from Hitler or Stalin !'

Well, he is Jewish.

I hold no torch for the BNP. I'm just saying that they'll get the votes of some of the disenchanted Old Labour people. Many (Jewish) business-people and celebrities won't vote Old Labour, as they would be bad for private business, like Stalin and Hitler was. Business was closely regulated in National Socialist Germany. Von Mises knew that. That's why the Austrian School fled to UK and USA, where they later prospered as economic gurus.

THE OXYGEN OF CAPACITY (#95)

I once calculated the total atmospheric CO2, B99, currently around 0.04 as a percent of total. With immense effort we have raised it by about a quarter.

Atmospheric Oxygen is about 21%. I am too idle to calculate probable Oxygen vented to air, but would hazard a guess it will not register.

We are not at the end of our search for clean energy - this too shall pass.

91.jauntycyclist 'if you ignore the gulag system needed to perpetuate its existence. it wouldn't work without the gulag system.'

According to figures compiled by the International Center for Prison Studies, with less than 5 percent of the world’s population, the U.S. has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners. Now that’s over-achieving if I’ve ever seen it.

We hold 2.3 million people behind bars, far more than any other country in the world. China, with four times our population, is a distant second in prisoners, with a mere 1.6 million. And our prison population is growing, so nobody’ll ever catch us.

Our country is also proudly first in incarceration rates, with over 750 people in jail for every 100,000 in population. England’s rate is a lackluster 150 incarcerations per 100,000; Germany’s a measly 88; Japan’s a puny 63. Obviously, the rest of the world just isn’t trying.

Source

We liberals have our Gulag (Prison) system too. It has recently gone up to 86,000, doubling from the early 90s. The USA locks up many more than China does, so you should be saying that the USA wouldn't run without its Gulag system. So why don't you? Answer = conditioning...

I'm trying to make you really think. I mean really. You need to you know.

barrie #97

Lets call it a draw, but like Lord Winston inferred on Hardtalk developments in science are all to often hijacked as the basis for investment scams. On the waste Oxygen point I did have the education of watching a very early half hour Ch4 documentary by some ageing bloke who had studied the relationship between the Oxygen level in the atmosphere and " bush fires " Apparently they move with the seasons, as increased plant growth puts the Oxygen levels up the spontaneous fire start, difficult to stop until the local Oxygen level has fallen again. Likewise it could be said that increased CO2 in our atmosphere increases plant growth and therefore the potential level of Oxygen, but nothing to do with alleged Global Warming.

NET-LOSS NET-GAIN? PRISONER LABOUR. (#91 #98)

What does the balance sheet look like for each system? Not just the financial balance sheet, but the emotional one. Man is surely matched to work just as he is ill-matched to confinement?

I have left out the inhumanity and brutality - Zimbardo makes a good case that if you have prisons, you will have inhumanity.