Thursday 22 October 2009

"Peter Hain? We're relying on you to be watching, tonight, sir." ;-)

Feeling a bit Lonely then tonight Emily

https://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26244626-2703,00.html

Maybe you can compose a ditty or two while Nick gets his showcase or maybe work on your hair do. But I must say you have impressed just recent, got all assertive will Milliband.

Do you think JJ could be a computer program ?

If you look at the demonstrators outside the BBC you should notice a few things.

1. They are young (confused?).
2. At least one of them had a Socialist Worker's Party (Trotskyite) flag
(look up Tony Cliff)
3. There was at least one Muslim (which is a bit odd as the Nazis in
WWII were chums with the Muslims

In my view, they may as well have come down from Canary Wharf! ;-)

THINKING CAPS ON

Note to 'nazis are racists' brigade - not only were the Arabs 'Nazi' Germany's allies in WWII, but the Japanese were too! Some of the people getting all hot and bothered about 'racism' therefore need to ponder why it was that the Minister for the economy in Germany named Iran as he did, i.e 'land of the Aryans'.

If you never wondered whether you have bene misled, perhaps now's the time to do so. Germany didn't want a war with Britain in 1939. Who did?

Which country doesn't like the Arabs or Iranians today?

It's nice to see Emily Maitlis treating the day's news with the correct amount gravity, although 'Srebrenica' appears to be out in the cold. Come on, Emily, I'm sure you can find a 'jolly' angle to it.

from mimpromptu
Streetphotobeing

I've ended up at the Cine Lumiere and it looks like I'm won't regret having a snooze unless I start dittying.
There are only a few people here, my feet are on the seat in front of me conering the narrator who is sporting a moustache. Boring!

Thank you for your explanation regarding Emily & jj

mim

NN: "We ask if people still know the name of their postman."

I never knew the name of my postman, but we knew each other by sight as (thanks to internet shopping) I frequently used to order goods which couldn't always fit through the letterbox, or needed a signature. Due to a combination of circumstances I can't get to the door quickly and when he understood this he adjusted his delivery pattern to ring my bell but then deliver to the houses either side while keeping an eye out for me to appear. I guess he was trying to meet an imposed delivery schedule but was willing to make some adjustments to help me.

Such consideration for the customer's circumstances is, I think, a fast disappearing trait. I expect sometime in the future unrealistic procedures will be scupulously followed and correct boxes ticked in order to provide a consistent sub-optimal outcome for the customer. Such was the delivery this week by a temporary postman of a book which was too large to pass through the letterbox, but just the right size to get stuck. Luckily I got to the door before the temp had finished hammering it in to the exact halfway mark; on talking to him he didn't seem unintelligent, just willfully inconsiderate in pursuit of HIS target. Shire horse, race horse eh?

Some Royal Mail Holdings Plc numbers for the years 2003 - 2004.
(I wonder if the posties salaries did as well as the execs?)
Chair remuneration:
£20,000
£186,795
£330,000
£330,000

Chief Exec remuneration:
£500,000
£884,846
£2,777,000
£812,697

number of employees
221,810
202,300
195,100
193,000

Source:
https://quangos.ercouncil.org/search/view,929,0,1,0,1_royal_mail_holdings_plc.html

why would emily want to turn a news programme into a daytime chat show? Is this the edgy talent spoken of in that article?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6389212/Off-the-wall-TV-and-radio-stars-may-be-high-on-cocaine-says-former-BBC-producer.html

if mr hain is watching when will he answer how brown blair and cameron patronship of the JNF is congruent with supporting human rights for all?

beats me how those who oppose the bnp think they do right by breaking the law.

This is, it is argued, all about one, at one time stateless, European group, competing for power at the expense of other European groups, intitially using alleged racism or religious persecution as an excuse to weaken their competitors psychologically and thereby secure affirmative action. In reality, their 'competitors' (hosts) actually welcomed them into their counties in the first place because they'd mistakenly been led to believe that these refugees had been persecuted elsewhere, and were just seeking asylum.

It's a clever strategy. It may cost a fw lives but warfare does. Was this just a clever form of group warfare?

#4 Jadedjean. the demonstrators outside the BBC are just puerile lackys prostrating themselves at the feet of naked power.

So the BNP are racist morons, so what? The incumbent government of the UK are in breach of international law by launching a war of aggression against Iraq leading to the deaths of well over 1 million people. Why are they not demonstrating with such vigor and vehemence against war criminals?

Over 300,000 Afghan children are dying as a consequence of Anglo/American involvement in that country. Why no demonstrations about that?

Looks to me like one bunch of racists demonstrating against another bunch of racists.

Funny Post Emily, I fear that the circus act on BBC1 will be the main event this evening!.

You asked the question "Does postal communcation in 2009 feel like mining in 1984? Will this strike signal the beginning of the end of a service many feel is becoming less and less relevent?", I would have to answer back with an empthatic NO.

The miners strike was set against the backdrop of rising affluence across the UK with new energy sources and working practices coming to the fore, the postal strike is set against a backdrop of economic depression with millions of people facing long term unemployment. The miners had my sympathy (apart from the militant idiots led by Scargill), the postal workers have my indifference.

A necessary correction to my post above, #7:
Some Royal Mail Holdings Plc numbers for the years 2003 - 2006.

And, while I'm here, a spelling mistake:
scrupulously.

Possibly I was distracted by the mention of Cheryl Cole. Anyone else?
NN: "Tonight, in the absense of Cheryl Cole,"

I know the name of my postman (for the past 20 years) and most of the relief team. Mail is delivered into the house (or down the street if passing)if possible. Parcels are signed for and left somewhere pre arranged. Shopping is delivered from the village if required. nwanted junk mail (the sort the Royal Mail is paid to deliver, is by passed on request. My outgoing mail, if stamped or computer labelled will be collected
And all of this, well outwith the remit of his official duties. Guess what. He's not on strike.
One of the many benefits of living in rain sodden rural NE Scotland right now!

NAZIS - THEY'RE FIGHTING TO KEEP ROYAL MAIL

The Anti-Nazis are people like Peter Mandelson who are trying to privitatise Royal Mail. They don't want a Britain, that's too nationalist. They don't want Public Services, they're too socialist. What they want is International Socialism (Totskyism/anarchism), as that's what's good for biznuz-persons who can become major shareholders and thus own the means of production (energy/industry), exchange (financial services) and communication (net, mail etc). That's how a small group of wily people got control of so much of German (and US) industry in the 1920s. They did the same in Russia in the 1990s.

See, now you don't really need to watch Question Time.... ;-)

From yesterdays post think its 114

I relate the TV license by force, over paid presenters and the BNP on Question Time and it gets referred to the moderators. It just reaffirms my view that the BBC needs to be cut right right back.

Mim I hope your feeling balanced and ok with things. I think you would make a good coach for ice skating and could cope with what ever exams were needed to be able to do it. Do you know whats required ?

bookhimdano (#8) "beats me how those who oppose the bnp think they do right by breaking the law."

Is it because anarchists (deregulators) are 'good for the economy'? ;-)

Ethiopia ..... A solution.


7 million people already supported by food aid, further calls for help for another 6 million.

And the population is due to double within 25 years.

Three answers ......


Any further aid should only be given ....


In that all children attend full time secular education ....

On full uncompromising acceptance that women have the right to choose, or not to choose, to get pregnant and that women have the incontrovertible right not the be chattels of men ....

And that the contraceptive pill be taken daily.

Oh, and please - most sincerely - thank Ms Cole’s Agent for having booked her in elsewhere this evening.

WHY SIZE DOESN'T ALWAYS MATER

One thing a lot of people don't understand is that relative group size ceases to matter (the tale of David and Goliath) when mean cognitive differences in a Gaussian distribution exist. Say the mean difference is 10 points but the brighter group is tiny relative to the other. Still, as one goes up the scale to the right, the absolute group size not only ceases to matter, the smaller group (with the higher mean ability) may well have the advantage, as the lower mean group runs out of brains! Now, if the mean differnece is 1.5 Standard Deviations or more (say 20 or even 30 points), and the lower groups are small, the advantage is absoutely gigantic in terms of power...

Cause for thought?

streetphotobeing (#15) "It just reaffirms my view that the BBC needs to be cut right right back."

You're showing mor eof your unwitting anarchism. Come the day when you or the ones you care about need health hcare, elderly care, or anything else from others, I hope you'll have enough money safely stashed away to pay for it. These are the things which matter as one gets older.....

Only 'Nazis' ensure that sort of thing....

The BBC has had the result of 'Nick' on the front page and top of the news all day. They instigated it and now they seem hell bent on giving fascism (which will not show its true face on Question Time) more fuel paid for by force by the rest of us.

So how does it feel to be a highly paid presenter/producer knowing that ?

Come on Emily, Jeremy, Gavin, Kirsty tell us.

streetphotobeing (#20) You do realise that Emily, Gavin (and Jon Sopel) are Jewish? The BBC is doing the right thing. Credit to them.

THE CONVERSE OF THE MINERS STRIKE.

"Does postal communcation in 2009 feel like mining in 1984?"

Then it was coal in a heap - this time it will be post. In the former case, we could do without mining, in the latter, there is a serious need of delivering.

So: No.

FLAT WORLD? GEOCENTRICISM & GALILEO - THEY'LL NEVER GET IT

barrie (#22) It's still opportunistic anarchism though. Thatcher had more people believing that the miners were trouble as they were controlled by a Stalinist, and Stalinists were likely to drop H bombs on us any minute, hence 'Protect and Survive' - they were evil-doers.

It's a bit harder these days, i.e it's hard to believe that postie is a 'terrorist', on the other hand given the population is now so dumbed down..............

Do you deny.. the holocaust? If you do you are...... (errr.....what exactly, and why?)

Might it all be to buttress liberal-democratic free-market anarchism, i.e Financial Services and predatory lending?

Is that too much of a stretch of the imagination for many? So long as it is, expect Britain to continue going down the drain.

Do any BBC reporters appear to be afflcited with 'goat's eyes'?

from mimpromptu
No, Streetphotobeing, I do not want to be an instructor, I would like to make a few dancing films just on my own and then perhaps with skaters like Stephane Lambiel, Evgeni Plushenko and Sasha Cohen for example should they wish to join me. I don't know that many ice-skaters currently on the scene so there potentially could be a few others. I know it sounds a bit mad for a woman of 55 to have such crazy dreams but for some reason I do feel quite confident about my ice dancing having an impact on people and it's getting more and more expressive.
Apologies for the mistakes in my post at #6 but I was blogging from my iphone at the Cine Lumiere completely and utterly exhausted sleep wise. Luckily I did have a wonderful snooze /with my feet covering the screen/ and so I'm feeling a little better although still very sleepy. You see, Streetphotobeing, what happens is that when I start writing or dittying my energy levels rise and I somehow forget about tiredness but unfortunately it looks like I'm beginning to pay a price for it and have to become wiser in this respect.
I'm surprised you're having a go at Jeremy Paxman, Streetphotobeing, I didn't think you thought along those lines. What's wrong with them being paid well if that's the going price? Especially that as far as I understand they could probably get even better money elsewhere.

LIES DAMNED LIES AND WESTMINSTER GOVERNANCE

Syeda Warsi just declared "you can't debate with people who are lying."
Well - there goes the credibility of Westminster! 600-odd politicians are clearly wasting their (and our) time.

To move to more truthful debating: SPOIL PARTY GAMES

One reason why some may say there has been a shift in the position of some 'holocaust deniers' is the Middle East situation, and especially that of Iran's position that the Palestinian's should not be paying the price for what Europeans allegedly did in WWII. The logic here is that if holocaust denial is given credenece in Europe, by European politicians (one of whom is Griffin as an MEP), there could be calls for Europe to accept repatriation of Jews from Israel to Europe and the USA.

Streetphotobeing
Not a coach nor a couch potato Madam Mim is planning to be
She would much rather a recognizable dancer for others to see
Prefer to become with no secrets behind
It is only then she’d be able to finally unwind
From what has become an unbearable weight
Like at the time they invaded Kuwait.

Though by now she has gathered support if not love
So the situation is different from that of above.
Madam Mim is happy to declare
As she copes with the pressure with her unchallengeable flair.

What do you think, Streetphotobeing, do you like this one?
mim

Why do these protesters fear democracy and public opinion. Isn't it fascists to suppress free speech.
I agree these young people who, as JJ pointed out may hail from the rank's of the Socialist Workers Party.
I think I'm correct in saying they describe themselves as a revolutionary socialist party, of course they might change their mind when they are unable to secure jobs and it's impossible to get a housing, or when they're refused benefits and health care etc as we run out of funds. One day they may wish our government had taken steps to ensure they had opportunities their parents had, when the country wasn't overcrowded and a great deal fairer to it's citizens.
Let's not forget The BNP are supported by citizens who also have rights, they feel that currant government policy is at odds with their views. The electorate want parliament to listen and act upon public concern.
I've watched snippets of QT on sky and it seemed to be stacked against Nick Griffin, and I have a sneaking feeling what is broadcast will support that aim. I'm not hearing BNP policy. I'm not a bit surprised.

Re: Emily Howell
The two experts on tonights show seemed rather preoccupied with stating that the computer produces a pastiche of other composers...but isn't that waht many modern human composers do? They are surely more open to influence that the computer...so why is imitating previous composers such a bad thing? Or is it just hostility towards the fact a computer has produced it?

It would appear that the current postal dispute has been engineered by the Corporate Nazi's as part of a plan to get all British workers on minimum wage parasited upon by employment agencies. Becoming a foot soldier of the Royal Mail is one of the few remaining manual jobs which currently offers decent wages and conditions.

However, it would appear that at least in the Preston area new recruitment is being restricted to Asians by the management. Apparently this is extremely unpopular with the existing indigenous staff, but perhaps the plan is to break any union solidarity in the event of a strike, perhaps the Asians will break any strike to continue any subtle " Asians only " recruitment policy. Employment policy works in mysterious way these day's and perhaps it will only be a matter of time before potential bribes paid to the management of large companies make paid employment " Agency Only " in the UK ?

Of course all potential employee's will be expected to permanently remain over their overdraft limit and subject to parasitic charges by their chosen Bank. I suspect that most employment agencies would never consider taking anyone with ample savings onto their books. Just wait until the lack of an effective welfare state ( especially if you are too ill to hold down a full time job ) to render you completely destitute and willing to enter slavery to the Corporate Nazi system ?

What I saw and heard mainly on QT tonight was emotional heckling and sneering at Nick Griffin, behaviour which made the main stream parties look weak. The woman to his left (deputy Chair of the British Museum) was the worst of the lot, although Jack Straw came a close second to her sneering. She wss factually wrong about the evolution of man too. Migrants adapted to the harsh conditions of Northern latitudes by mutating and losing both one type of melanin as well as weaker types who could not survive. That's the most likely explanation for their higher mean IQ, creativity and sociability (low psychopathy, high conscientiousness).

On the holocaust issue, Griffin as an MEP obviously has to respect the EU.

The fact is, Europeans low TFRs mean that this group is in fact slowly dying out, hence all the immigration! It is a democide. Those who have migrated here are at some point going to have to come to terms with the fact that they did so by leaving somewhere else, and if we take their best, and teh source of their best has a mean IQ one or two SDs lower than here, what will they have left and what will the population be like here in 50 or 100 years?

Assortive mating is a still the rule, and that serves as a gene barrier. The cost is going to be yet further erosion of statehood, and with that, loss of Public Services, increased crime etc. Why did they migrate here? They are killing to Golden Geese!....:-(

QT wasted an opportunity to discuss real issues, or, more likely, the BBC capitulated to those who wanted to try to make Nick Griffin and the BNP look 'bonkers'. Dimbleby certainly showed Griffin no respect.

In the currenty economic climate, it was not a good programme.

Granted I'm not a bnp supporter, personally i think they are all (expletive deleted) but it makes me laugh at all the furore over bnp being on the show, I thought we had freedom of speech in this country? In addition Jack Straw is nothing but a bumbling inaccurate fool for his comments on ww2

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As I thought the "Nick Griffin Question Time" was one of the most boring I've ever watched, nobody said anything. : (

shrinkingviole (#29) "Why do these protesters fear democracy and public opinion. Isn't it fascists to suppress free speech."

Exactly, in Stalinist social-democracy (cf. the Socialist International today, which includes New Labour), was social-fascism. In fact, Trotskyites (Bolsheviks) were in the 1930s, along with social-fascists termed 'double-dealers' and 'wreckers' in the USSR. See the Frankfurt School for Political Correctness, which is just an anarchist tool. See who the Soviets referred to as 'rats' and 'polecats' in the context of Venona, and why.

People here are being befuddled by New Labour, The Conservatives and Lib-Dems. The emotion evident on QT tonight was a sure sign of the confusion and manipulation.

Teh only explanation I can come up with is that there is a much higher frequency of DSM-IV Axis II, Cluster B, Personality Disorders amongst the Jews due to centuries of endogamy - a gene-barrier. One of those PDs is psychopathy (APD), the other NPD (see also HPD and BPD). They are untreatable. :-(

#4 jaded_Jean

"Germany didn't want a war with Britain in 1939. Who did? "

You know the famous broadcast from Neville Chamberlain declaring war because they had not received any assurances about pulling out of Poland?

That shows who wanted the war. Generally driving your army into another country is called an "invasion" particularly when they start shelling a Polish fort.

Given Nick Griffin is "not a Nazi" and the BNP are "not a Nazi party" why are you blathering on about it anyway? You have said in the past you are not a Nazi or the BNP. You just would prefer National Socialism to democracy and admire the policies of Hitler and clearly favour the BNP. You also think you are intellectually coherent.

I assume "who did" is your tiresome and very pathetic attempt to coyly spread your views on Jews though as ever it is innuendo with no facts - something Griffin was pulled up on all night.

#23 jaded_Jean

"FLAT WORLD? GEOCENTRICISM & GALILEO - THEY'LL NEVER GET IT"

Griffin didn't "get it" as he didn't deny the Holocaust he just muffed the question. He didn't know why he had denied the Holocaust but refused to answer what his current belief was on my recollection.

But of course if he really believed there was no Holocaust and he had access to your "statistical evidence" or other "facts" then he would have leaped at the opportunity to show the truth. He didn't and so everybody draws their own conclusions.

I said earlier in the week that they should have checked whether he was prone to Barnbrook episodes of dyslexia and church bells leading to all kind of strange unexplained utterances.

Its all rather typical of the far right splurges that pollute this page.

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Oh Gango's on nights again! ; )

Anybody looked at the Have Your Say thread, most of them thought it a trashy programme.

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What a farce, but an interesting one.

Baroness Varsi sat squirming when asked her views of homosexuality knowing full well she shares at least that value with the BNP, and hence David quickly stopped pressing her on the issue and allowed her to fudge it.

No-one seemed to understand the term indigenous British, which I find very strange when you consider that this sort of quote (from HYS) is typical regarding black racial identity from HYS "The African Union has recognised that Africans living abroad can and should ... retain their cultures and identities."

But maybe not so surprising since I didn't spot many indigenous Brits on the panel or in the audience. But as several of the panel demonstrated, they know, and moreover can speak, their identity. What a cop-out to invite Nick to the London show.

Anyone confused about indigenous Brits, I recommend 'The Origins of the British' by Stephen Oppenheimer.

I never rated Bonnie on Newsnight Review, she's a postmodern waffler and she has never made a point that has pricked my ears, and to say she's a deputy of the BM, her knowledge of British history/archeology is dire. And why did she keep putting on that accent when she spoke to Nick? - she's as bourgeois as they come.

I wish we could get a circular through the door telling us which words are taboo this week - the A-C word thing was news to me, and I saw no reason for the verbal aggression.

This article in the Telegraph is not an accurate report of the programme that I watched, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6410764/BNP-on-Question-Time-Nick-Griffin-uses-BBC-appearance-to-attack-Muslims-and-gays.html, it does as NG said, take all his comments so far out of context that they are more or less reversed. Plus, the report fails to note that when finally asked a question on policy, the three main parties fell apart bickering, oblivious to the audience, whilst Nick sat by silently amused.

But I have to say David's comment early on about Nick smiling was cheap and wholly out of order, I saw no smile, maybe a slight grimace of nervous anticipation, that's all, and as for the audience member who called him 'slimey' - smacks of a new one-way insult culture to me i.e. deluded liberals to anyone who isn't.

IT SEEMS DEVIOUSNESS COMES FROM A COMMON STOCK LIKE 'RACE'! (#35)

True, Lizzie, they said 'nothing' but I felt they 'spoke volumes'.

The Straw Man drew on a very similar strategy to Myth Griff when nailed over Labour's past - wandering of into the distance, and hoping to come back 'somewhere else'. Warsi was very bad at being devious, Greer was superb at being her usual (unbecoming) omnipotent self, and poor Huhne was Huhne ohne Kopf.

On balance, I think Griffin is slightly less odious than Straw, as the former knows what he is, while Straw is deluded. But then Griffin does not yet have the odour of Westminster about him.

Whatever happened to the Arctic Sea and the wild theories of missiles bound for Iran?

I was inclined to my own conspiracy theory that it was just an extremely bad insurance scam where the owner claimed for a ship that never sank and was just renamed.

But given the piece on Irans nuclear programme, US military exercises for an Iranian missile attack and Russian cooperation in defusing the nuclear crisis it seems pertinent.

I welcome the improvement in constructive cooperation between the US and Russia and hope that perhaps this may lead to better long term relations and hence greater international stability.

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#21 jaded_Jean

"You do realise that Emily, Gavin (and Jon Sopel) are Jewish?"

When I was comparing your views to Von Bruun thats the kind of thing I meant.

Dimbleby should have made the full connection on the Gately Question Time point between the Griffin quote on the BNP member Copelands Soho nail bomb where Griffin said the victims "were "flaunting their perversion in front of the world's journalists, [and had] showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures disgusting".

Its also a shame that nobody pointed out to him that even the amoral Hitler had no great problem with gays and had Rohm shot as he was allegedly planning to get Hitler.

On the other hand the Nazis were barking mad and ideology was just a cloak for grabbing power.

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Griffin was also not nailed on the equality for Islamic women stance.

I believe that the far RIGHT like the idea of not too many women getting education and claim that men are brighter than women.

Hardly equality really.

"Next week on Question Time we'll be in Bradford with the comedian Jim Davidson, the former white supremicist leader David Duke, Lord Tebbit and the unelected qungorat Trevour Phillips. Our audience will consist of Texas southern baptist Klu klux klan members wielding burning crosses. Topic of questions will be in the main...about Trevour Phillips."

Jesus! talk about tough audiences. Where did the BBC get this lynch mob for the Griffin spectacular...london central! This won't have played well north of Fenshawe. The first question should have been about the postal strike but the wasters at the Beeb decided instead, going straight for Griffins Jugular. Impartiallity..please! that was just disgraceful.


BBC, now that the balls rolling, drag out the communist's within the Labour party and ask them why they revere mass murderer Uncle Joe Stalin: the Soviet leader who made Hitler look like an amateur...get that question asked.

P:S I worked an empty room tonight...not a sinner in the place.

#116
no, not if they are nasty, venomous and cruel, be they a man or be they a woman

from mimpromptu
It’s coming up to 3 in the morning
I’m sure to be tired again, Streetphotobeing.
If I do manage to snooze off again
That would be good and without disturbance
I may yet make it to Queensway tomorrow
Early enough without too much sorrow.
mim

from mimpromptu
Streetphotobeing
Having already had a few hours of sleep I can't quite doze off again for the time being and 'knitted' a new ditty for you to ponder upon:

What is the point of exploring the web
If all is rigged, nothing is net.
As far as I can make out so far
It’s several forces that are having a fight.

There is the Labour’s Prime Minister’s crew
And there are the Masons broiling their stew.
There is a faction of David’s the Jew
A sexual maniac for us to eschew.

Completely deluded and ruined by now
Hoping to return by using a ‘cow’
It’s not only sex but money he’s after
And fame to go with it, oh what a disaster!

It is not him who is a genius
His skills are mechanical, mad and nonsensical.
mim

from mimpromptu
You know, Streetphotobeing, I have met and worked with some of the top brass people in their specialties. Clever, skilfull, well read, first class degrees from Oxbridge, connected to some members of the Royal Family, with one of them having had films made about him - you name it, they've been, they've seen, they've done and yet in the global scheme of things they seem only small fish really and it is too late for them to make a real mark in the history of humanist mankind. That's the scale I am most attached to both intellectually and emotionally. It's not fame as such, it's not glory in terms of titles or medals or anything like that. Although of course I have nothing against official recognition, quite the contrary, it potentially can give one a practical springboard for exerting further impact but ultimately what matters most is the wellbeing of those one loves and cherishes, selflessly if needs be and without force or pain ever used to achieve the goal. As they say, charity begins at home.
I think this morning's and yesterday's posts and activities summarize my current position at most levels, from the silliest to the most profound, Streetphotobeing.
Hope to hear from you soon
mim

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You know, Streetphotobeing, sometimes when I skate to the music coming from the loud speakers, like today for example, I may 'come across' a pop tune with not a clue who sings or plays, and which may turn out to be simply great to twirl to. It happened today with just one piece only, however. Otherwise I get bored and disenfrenchised losing the momentum which quite often may cause me leave the ice rink for the day.
mim

from mimpromptu
Hi, Mods.
Thank you for letting most of my ditties and musings through. It's really swell of you! It helps me to be able to express myself freely on virtually any subject on earth without being put upon. And on top of everything, as you can see from my posts, I sometimes find it difficult to sleep in my attic as the plumbing here doesn't seem to be working propely making the pipes rattle, etc. It is not my own imagination. When a lady called Alice visited me the other day she was an auditory witness to the noise. She thought it was most annoying.
mim

I see my post 42 (the meaning of Life?) has not been accepted - that's what you get for daring to claim an ethnic identity if you're not 'ethnic' - i.e. from one the groups who are allowd to go on and on and on about their identity.

Before I knew the post had been blocked, I had already decided to write this addendum.

It really beggars belief that the panel/audience members can talk about being British African-Caribbean, and can tick people off for saying afro-carib instead of african-carib, and yet people of celt-norse genetic history, which was a virtualy isolated group for a good 700-900 years, are not allowed to have an ethnic identity

- what am I? British British? I'm not British Jewish, so what am I? The word Anglo-Saxon is meaningless - no more than 5% genetic presence outside of East Anglia.

You see? We do not have an identity. British means citizen, English is a culture not an ethnicity, Anglo-Saxon is factually incorrect - I am racially/ethnically British, I have provided a book reference for that source - written by someone with a name that doesn't sound like a white supremecist.

Why can't I have an ethnic identity? everyone else does. This is downright incitement to hatred!!!

QT showed clearly for the first time that as Yasmin Alibia Brown once said 'London belongs to them' (only she said us).

I suggest next time Nick appears that he asks everyone on the panel what their ethnic identitiy is. And then say - "OK - now tell me, what's mine?"

I am banned from posting because I claim I can tell if people are indigenous brit or not - not always, but generally yes I can - sorry if you don't like that NN, you're only doing what Hitler did in the 30s - denying me equal freedon with other members of this population - only I'm not an immigrant!

Shame on this political class

Shame on BBC

Shame on NN

for re-writing history, for re-writing science.

I'm upset and I feel persecuted.

And if Black brits no longer wnat to be called black brits but want to be british African - then please stop making me fill in forms that force me to say that I'm white - I'm not a box of blooming soap powder!!

PAT BUCHANAN ON WWII = HOW CHRUCHILL LOST THE EMPIRE

thegangofone (#39) I have refered you to the efforts which Germany made to avert war many times. Read/watch Pat Buchanan's article/book/interview on this. Just remember, Germany had territory inside Poland, the Polish-Danzig corridor was really German but he didn't even demand that back - think of Berlin after the war and how the Western allies had a corridor to West Berlin. It's why there had to be an airlift. Second, remember that the USSR 'invaded' Poland at the same time as Germany. Britain and France did not declare war on the USSR in 1939. Why not?

I suggest you learn some history instead of repeating propaganda. Your current behaviour is at your cost, you have an opportunity to gain something here.

The confusion is that people don't understand what right-wing comprises... Hitler was in fact left wing.

so I've explained what British ethnicity is - now I'll explain what Enlgish culture is - the man in the audience who spoke out about the level of immigration and was ignored by David - he was English of Asian descent, not British Asian. Terms such as British Asian and British African-Caribbean delineate non-English cultures that reside in Britian. But English culture is NOT mono-racial - see Katherine Whitehead Prof of Anthropology.

It is immigrant groups who have insisted on a nomenclature, so now that we have one let's start making it logical.

British Asian - place of residence / culture-ethnicity

Black British - ethnicity / culture-place of residence

British African-Caribbean - place of residence / culture-ethnicity

White British - meaningless racist label / culture-place of residence

The term 'white' is far less valid or descriptive than the term 'oriental', which is entirely valid if you research anthropology and migrations (for instance the King of Thailand's mother is of Chinese descent), but is taboo.

my post 42 may have been banned because I quoted, I'm sure the content was more 'measured' (inhibited/speech restricted) than the above couple of posts.

wappaho (#57)

Excellent post.

You have highlighted the hypocrisy - intensional/referential opacity which lies at the heart of all of this. Blacks, Asians and Jews are encouraged to celebrate their race/ethnicity (guess which group champions that?) and White Europeans are made to feel guilty about theirs, i.e racist! I suggest the only reason the people doing that get away with it is a) lowish spatial IQ and b) lack of empathy (i.e. evidence of an Axis II, Cluster B Personality Disorder).

Why can't I have an ethnic identity? everyone else does. This is downright incitement to hatred!!!"

That's the idea - that's how this psychological game is played. They incite racial hatred. That leads to race relations and 'holocaust denial' (i.e. hate crime) legislation which in turn then serves as an affirmative action driver to secure power/hegemony for a devious cognitive elite which abuses other groups. That is, for example, what the Public Sector targets on ethnic recruitment having to be proportional to local base-rate representation are all about, namely, given the lower mean IQs of BME groups, it helps privatise Public Sector bodies through encouraging efficiency relative to the Private Sector. Guess who will be there with companies to provide more efficient aka cheaper services once the ublic Sector bodies are privatised or subjected to Market Testing? It's ever so cleverly done..

"QT showed clearly for the first time that as Yasmin Ali Brown once said 'London belongs to them' (only she said us).

I suggest next time Nick appears that he asks everyone on the panel what their ethnic identity is. And then say - "OK - now tell me, what's mine?"

Nice one. This is why many people will vote BNP even though they are not a very politically credible party. The longer this subterfuge continues though, the more likely political muscle will cross the floor. It is an attack on indigenous Britons and the Public Sector. It is a technique whch was used in Germany in the 1920s, and in Russia..... See The Frankfurt School. and Bill Lind's article on Political Correctness and its origins. :-(

#54 from mimpromptu - explanation
Some of the people I refer in my post at #54 include 2 Oxford graduates who used to teach me Russian and SSEES and some of the brain surgeons from the Atkinson Morley Wing at St George's.
The one that is the most well known is Henry Marsh who I helped with the Ukrainian ladies I spoke about the other day. I didn't mind all that much that he did not mention my help when the BBC made the film about him and them but because that he is still trying to make himself important by having known me, while being manipulated by the 2 academics, I thought the time has come to start giving names. He also upset me once no end when he barged into my room, despite of me asking him to leave, and carried on about something me having a problem on the loo. Would you believe it? What does he know about me and my loo, may I ask. It was brutal and he never bothered to apologise. He did sign my leaving card and probably contributed to the M&S vouchers I got as my leaving present, but so what? I still consider the 2 academics the most vile and nasty people I have come across in my life hoping never ever to see them again.

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Just to say that I've sent another missive to The President of the USA, Mr Barack Obama, which you are welcome to have a look at.
Should you care to read it, it seems worth mentioning that I also may have helped Mr Obama to get elected as the 44th President of America.
mim

streetphotobeing # 15 - cutting back of the BBC? Following the Sun's change to back the Tories in the next general election, it will be interesting to see if the next Tory government takes any steps to reform the BBC which might happen to coincide with Murdoch's wishlist.

Well, obviously I'm delighted to get a commendation from the Professor but now I'm going to say something that will put me right back in the dunces' corner.

Jack Straw and others hide behind the label 'white' for fear of anti-semitism, fair enough but in so doing they deny the right of gentiles to an identity.

Jews have been invisible since the war partly due to the charge of anti-semitism restricting discussion, but also because, as was nicely shown on Heir Hunters on Weds, the jewish immigrants before WW2, straight away made efforts to integrate by joining clubs etc. And English lessons were provided by volunteers - my great uncle gave many.

Due to the impact of Islamism, previously unspoken relations between religions have been raised and Jewishness is now emerging from the invisible cloak - a jewish school is currently objecting to new 'Faith School' rules, for instance (rules which have come into being to address the concerns of and about the lobby for Islamic schools).

JJs NYC theory is very plausible but despite that, for the most part jewish people are not a threat to society and we should be able to talk freely about judaism as we do islam and christianity. There are several gentiles who are also up in the financial conspiracy theory - money breeds conspiracy. And after all JJs stats show the higher aveIQ, so no wonder there are some great jewish intellectuals.

I see perfectly the way proportionalism results in depression but I don't see a deliberate strategy just ascientific 'nice-ism'. Even, if you are right I don't honestly know why your posts get through but I'm glad they do.

I accept your theory of feministaion - female emancipation in the workplace coupled with class endogamy - it explains why the NHS and education have been brought to their knees by gargantuan administration systems staffed by nimby-pamby fusspots, and NGOs have proliferated - the progeny of the bourgeoisie have to go somewhere and they sure ain't going to go into that dreaded category called working class jobs - no, they have to be able to boss someone around.

Here's the THING!!! How can you be so scientific and yet conclude that the only way forward is for women to cover themselves? It does not follow from any of your theories. I quite agree that Girl Power and Ghetto chic have given us the opportunity to see more lingerie than I'm really interested in (have you noticed how much sexier the girls on Strictly are that do not expose maximum flesh? - but that's an East European thing; when I stayed in Romania I was put off my breakfast by what the waitress didn't wear) but there's a huge gulf between that and full muslim attire and ideology (i.e. that men can't be expected to control their feelings).

The BBC take impartiality very seriously - oh dear. So what really happened yesterday ? Well THE BBC instigated the news and then showed it front page, top story all day and into the important mid-evening. Oh how very impartial of you to do that on our behalf. And maybe you will report how much your news instigation cost us in policing and the sympathy vote having bashed up Griffin and wasted no time showing us your impartiality of having done so. Congratulations.


Tonight we have Kirsty from New York and on the two financial crashes. How much of a financial crash was that little none essential production cost on the tax payer ?


Nos 28 - Yes mim not a bad way to reply, about coaching I will mention no more. Sorry but I think it wrong that presenters are paid so much - its not that much of a skilled job, NN is something of an exception but its still crazy money. On visual stuff and presenting I know a thing or two, and they get it wrong a lot but still get paid a lot.

Celebrity and the concept of 'name' status artists within the feudal art world and those who underpin and perpetuate it help to delude people into their own exploitation and detriment to well being as well as creating a false investment scheme which does not seem to have any financial regulation around it. Important curators are able to literally make money and a heck of a lot of it, why isn't this taken into consideration by the financial authorities ? This is a closed world Mim they only allow in people that they want its as simple as that - its feudal.

eg - Andreas Gursky was made by Peter Galassi I could go on ad nauseum.

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I mean, if it is a deliberate strategy, where does it come from? do THEY sit in groups planning or do they as individuals just think that way because of the cluster disorder? If it is down to inherited personality, how can they help that? what would you do - bring in laws against charisma, decisiveness, money-intuition (I don't got it), hard work, ingenuity?

thegangofone (various) Read this article from 2003, but be sure to look into the origin/nature of The Weekly Standard too. I'm trying to be helpful here. What the Chosen (NPD) Ones are up to will not work out in their best interests. It is misguided.

I do laugh though now, whenever politicos go on about right and left - you are of course right about statism and libertarianism, and we all use these terms a-a-f, I tried for three years to understand the russian revolution back in the 1980s and it never made sense. I know I decided to be an anarchist and it's true that I have lived to regret my part in helping to usher in Blair and multiculturalism. But that said, Stalin was a complete psycho - he killed members of his family out of paranoia, and no amount of statism excuses that.

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wappaho (#66) "How can you be so scientific and yet conclude that the only way forward is for women to cover themselves?"

Females have a different mating strategy to males. Females are programmed to attract males, males are sexually predatory. There is a down side to this for naive females, who often do not see what they are doing (rape is an obvious cost). This is why the behaviour has to be somewhat curtailed by social convention, dress and behaviour rules. All we are seeing in Islamic dress code is a form of this relative to our liberalism, it is a form of protection. The behaviors of human beings are no more intentional than are the behaviours of bees and ants. Females think they dress nicely because it makes them 'feel good'. One must assess behavior by its consequences, not by people's self-instruction. Judaism for example is a group evolutionary political strategy. It is endogamous, and it used to be more consanguineous. There are genetic costs and benefits to this. I am highlighting some of the costs in terms of likely higher prevalence of Axis II, Cluster B Personality Disorders. The benefits can be seen in the Financial Services and Hollywood. You are right though, there are lots of Jewish people who this does not cover. But then, if I say apples are sweet, that doesn't mean that baking apples or Granny Smiths are not apples. Natural Language is a problem when dealing with classes and quantifiers. Some people exploit this egregiously to their advantage. I hope I am not doing so. I try not to.

Bright secular females in liberal-democracies have very low birth rates as a whole. It is an extinction strategy, a self-democide. How females think about this is not the point. Look at behaviour, and its consequences. People bewitch themselves with words. I thought the person who did that most last night, sadly, was Jack Straw.

#66 from mimpromptu
I don't believe one bit in stats. Some nations have the need to be good and it is ingrained in their education, in the sense that children are pushed to do well.
And anyway, how does one classify a genius? Is a mimicking linguisting ability a sign of genius? No, it is a linguistic gift. That sort of thing does not write people into the history of mankind. Should a skilful mimicker of other languages want to become another Hitler or Stalin, for example, then yes he may find a place in some history books but on the nasty list, not on the contributory list to the progress of human thought and perception, be it scientific or artistic.
Oh, and some of those linguists might end up on the list of the most debauched and vile traffickers ever known. But what sane person would like to be remembered for that? And how about their family and children plus grandchildren in particular. Probably for a few generations to come they will have to live with the shame of having such a predecessor. They may even be asked to have a family tree programme made about them but I should think they would have to refuse the offer, out of shame.

#67 from mimpromptu
Streetphotobeing
I know it is a lot of money, especially by comparison to some other professions where people have to work very long hours in order to feel relatively free financially but then life will never be fair in this respect and personally I never feel jealous of what other people earn. I prefer to consider others from the humanist angle rather than taking their ability to earn pots of money into account. Some people who do earn big bucks provide work and business for others, like by having a house built, for example, and then they may also feel free financially to do some charitable work, if they are kind people, that is.
mim

wappaho (#69) "I mean, if it is a deliberate strategy, where does it come from? do THEY sit in groups planning or do they as individuals just think that way because of the cluster disorder?"

No - don't think so. No mor ethan bees and ants do.

It's more of the latter I suspect. Thinking and planning are much over-rated skills when it comes to human behaviour. The hallmark of the Axis II Cluster B Personality Disorders is omission. Psychopaths (APD) which share half their Factor Structure with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, lack conscience or empathy. They almost exclusively care about themselves (their own kids are parts of them note). It is an identity disorder. It is a problem of omission. This is why it is so hard to deal with. They don't see that what they are doing is wrong or hurtful to others. It is predatory, and it does work, and they can't be held responsible in terms of conscience. This is why psychopathy is untreatable and yet not a mental ilness on Axis I. It is why, throughout history, these types have been isolated, expelled, deported etc etc and sadly, why they rise to positions of power - as they are ruthless. As they can't see it, they are prone to describe their critical treatment by others as 'persecution'. If you look into it, you will see them just describing the consequences and missing what led to their 'persecution'. They are blind to that.

This is at present a conjecture, but I think it fits all the empirical facts. It is just a higher prevalence issue too, i.e. all groups have som of these types, but endogamy will increase their numbers for obvious reasons, i.e these behaviours have high heritability.

Most of our prisoners are classified as Personality Disorders (Axis II, Cluster B). We do not persecute them. We do not kill them. We do not even allow them to be physically harmed. That is as it should be. They can't in the end, help it. In an odd way, they are like children with an infantile disorder which can not be treated, but children need to be managed, in their own, and in others' interests. We tend to catch and imprison more of the less bright ones :-(

As to Stalin and what he did. I suspend judgement. There is so much black propaganda out there. Stalin was revered by Soviets. He did great things for the USSR.

from mimpromptu
Streetphotobeing
We've been corresponding about great people and geniuses. If you think about it how many really and truly great people are immediately recognisable around the world? A few Greek philosophers, a few Kings and Queens, a few religious leaders, Shakespeare, a few actors and actresses, a few singers and a few artists and scientists. From that list some are easily recognisable now but then their fame will fade with time. Some of the truly greats were prepared to die for their convictions others were lucky not to have to do that although yet some of those may have died prematurely out of despair, like Van Gogh for example.
Oh, I could go on and on and instead I should be getting ready to do some twirling which always does me good, however tired I am.
mim

iplayer has last nights NN as 'no longer' available. someone put the wrong date in. they should have deleted last thurs not this thurs. sort them out someone.

"behaviour has to be somewhat curtailed by social convention"

I don't disagree - I personally do not like looking at cleavages except in social situations. I always felt Jacqui Smith was inappropraitely dressed and I can't look at Vanessa Feltz. it's the equivalent of men in public life showing their chest hair. A nice shirt or t-shirt will do fine, thanks.

BUT that does not mean we need head and limb covering.

It is not biologically impossible for men to think but not act, millions of men do it everyday so there is no scientific argument for head and limb covering.

"Bright secular females in liberal-democracies have very low birth rates"

Only because they think it is the 'bright' thing to do. Once word gets out about the TFR, there will be a baby boom in the European upper middle classes. How better to deal with the recession than to withdraw to the role of 'running the household' - I dare say quite a few interest groups will pop as well to mop up the surplus desire to organise that is not absorbed by running the household. In fact it already happens in some circles, knit-your-own-yoghurteers often have 4+ children to celebrate the earth goddess or whatever. I see a very bright future for these people in their little mini-edens, having endless meetings about who does what when how (but don't ask why!) waiting for the climate to clear again.

Here's a short anecdote related to last night's QT that might get JJ going! I watched some of QT with my wife. Aftwerwards, we were speaking about the BNP/Islamophopia thing. My wife made the comment that what she disliked about Islam was its treatment of women and that she would not want ever to have to wear a burka; then she said that bearing in the eductaional achievements of women relative to men, that I had better watch as I might end up weariong a burka and having to walk two yards behind her (it sounded a bit like the Two Ronnies "Worm that Turned" scenario!). At that point, we got into a debate on equality of the sexes including male/female intelligence (NOT a debating topic conducive to a happy marriage). My wife could not as a matter of principle contemplate that men could, on average, be more intelligent then women. However, when I asked her if it was possible that women could be more intelligent than men, there was a long pause! Clearly, the equality debate in this country has a bit to go. Is there a parallel with the racial equality debate?

Nos 75

Mim sorry I should have said I don't much care what presenters in commercial TV are paid, its the fact that were all forced to pay for it - its wrong, ad to that the fact that the beeb employs a lot of oxbridge and from the better universities.

Yes Bi-polar and creative talent seems to go hand in hand place that up against the feudal system = a lot of wreaked lives. Check out someone like Francesca Woodman.

Have a good day Mim I'm making stuff in my workshop come shed today.

Wappaho - your reference to cleavage strangely coincides with my post at 21 on SF's blog netry for today. We are apparently approaching the top of the cleavage in economic terms but with another breast of the recession to go! Problem is, I don't know how buxom this recession will be.

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THE GAUSSIAN PARADOX EXPLAINED

nedafo (#80) It doesn't matter what people believe. Show her the evidence. It is a statistical fact. Females are (on avarage, and especilaly in the upper tail) better at verbal behaviour than spatial. The advantages which females show educationally are because of the high verbal bent of education these days. They can talk the talk, but can they walk the walk? Show her this, and point out that it says nothing about any marriage as it is quite possible for a bright female to marry a less bright male. It's just improbable given the distributions, unless you are talking about the lower end of the curve, where it is more likely the female will be brighter ceteris paribus. This is because the range of the female Gaussian distribution is smaller, i.e more conservative relative to the male. There are more low IQ ('stupid') men than there are low IQ women, just as there are more high IQ ('bright') men than there are high IQ women.

this link suggests that Hitler, Stalin and Hussein were all malignant narcissists

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/04/weekinreview/the-world-stalin-to-saddam-so-much-for-the-madman-theory.html

plus, it isn't necessary to mention stalin at all when arguing for 'a taking stock of' what is left and what is right vis. the state. Stalin may have believed in an ideology that advocates state provision and collective responsibility but that doesn't make him a hero and nor does his behaviour negate the ideology.

It is more interesting to consider the new manifestations of central and authoritarian state control in the relations between russia and the middle east, and also the juxtaposition of entreprenneurialism in one location acting as a mechanism for maintaining state control in another location vis china's investments in africa. oui?

I conjectured the same theory about a decade or so go but I couldn't speak it and nor did I have any research references; I just intuited it from suitably ample experience and objective or even doubting observation on top of formal education in relevant sciences. I think you've done well to cover the breadth of disciplines to produce an overarching theory, which is why I sometimes think that you are an organisation. :)

#81 from mimpromptu
Isn't it tragic?
All in all I may have been lucky to have been brought up by wise and loving grandparents who taught me a few things about real priorities in life. Who knows? Perhaps should my ice skating/dancing and dittying abilities have come to light earlier I may have given in to false joyful fame and over spinning? One just never knows to the end how things could have turned out or will turn out.
Happy workshopping, Streetphotobeing
mim

Good to see that some of the more offensive views of Nick Griffin were given an opportunity to be deconstructed.

Jack Straw is obviously the right man to lead the charge of the moral outrage brigade. Consider his record:

Leading member of a government that launched a war of aggression against Iraq leading to the deaths of in excess of 1 million people.

Leading government member who acted to derstroy the career of the British Ambassador to Uzbekistan because that Ambassador raised concerns about torture in that country. Leading Politician who acted to suppress evidence of British complicity in torture, both in Uzbekistan and elsewhere.

Member of a government whose head welcomed to the King of Saudi Arabia to the UK saying our two countries share many values and interests. This in the full knowledge that the King of Saudi Arabia condones the imprisonment of female gang rape victims and throwing women into burning buildings on the grounds that they are inappropriately dressed.

Member of a government whose policies and actions in Afghanistan are, according to the UN, resulting in the deaths of over 300,000 Afghan children.

Ah yes moral outrage is such a cleansing process. The expounding of offensive views is obviously of far greater concern than any of the issues relating to the policies and actions of the British government.

JJ - I've read this link before and also your previous links to the Bell Curve etc. Call me a coward, but for the sake of an easy life, I would tend to avoid showing my wife this kind of stuff for a sake on easy life! I also know that much of this stuff is controversial; I also know what your views are on what the purpose of the controversy is. As I may have mentioned in previous entries, I do not have sufficient knowledge or expertise in this area to form a view and I am in the nads of the experts. What I certainly do agree with you is that if Irwing is correct then this does have significant consequences for education policy and therefore it is a bad thing if political correctness is allowed to stifle/prevent further research in this area (This is thee same political correctness that prevents me from properly engaging on this issue with my wife!)

Having watched Question Time last night which was on at the same time as Newsnight it would be great to catch up on Thursdays newsnight via iPlayer. Is there any reason Thursdays Newsnight is not available as usual?

# 89 - it should of course be "hands of the experts" although "nads of the experts" may be more appropriate. I really must start correcting typos before pressing the send key.

from mimpromptu re: 86
Were you talking to me, wappaho?

#81 continuation of
Well, there is oxbridge and Oxbridge, isn't there, Streetphotobeing? The creepy and good for nothing and the great and the good, as they say. And nothing is really completely clear cut, anyway.
mim

'In a press conference on Friday, the BNP leader said he would be making an official complaint to the BBC about the programme, saying its normal format had been "twisted" so that it focused solely on his views.'

So the BNP are always whining that people don't get to hear their views and now he is complaining that they heard too much?

"How dare you ask me onto the programme and ask me about my views!" !??

Perhaps more seriously the thing that does need to be addressed is the balance between the right to free speech and the issue that people lie.

Griffin by the way is "not a Nazi" and the BNP is "not a Nazi Party" and ducked out on the Holocaust question.

There should be free speech that allows full democratic scrutiny but if a "right to lie" is allowed then the democratic process is subverted by non-democratic forces.

I think Question Time got it right on the night.

#89 nedafo

"JJ - I've read this link before and also your previous links to the Bell Curve etc. Call me a coward"

Coward!

In the event that yours is a genuine comment as opposed to the usual far right charades consider why the "statistics" of Jaded_Jean aren't used in trials to show that the Holocaust didn't happen?

Why do no major scientific centres subscribe to the racial views "proven" by Jaded_jean?

Jaded_Jean thinks Hitler was a peace lover.

I take it for granted your wife is not Jewish!

wappaho (#85) Stalin was premier of a Democratic-Centralist form of government just as the premier of China is today. The PRC constitution is based on the 1936 Stalinist constitution except, the provinces of the PRC, unlike the Soviet republics can not decalre independence. The riots in the West ofChina were unconstitutional. Ask yourself why people don't talk about the present PRC premier the same way that they do about Stalin....

The New York Times is published in New York. The New York 'left' was Trotskyite not Stalinist (just as it was/is here). The hostility of the USA to Stalinist USSR was revenge for their anarchists having been been ousted. They got their revenge in the late 80s and 90s.. It's happening here :-(

I know it was not Newsnight's domain/programme
but Question Time is no confident enough to have
a blog.

That Question Time was a public lynching.
The BBC were right to put Griffin on but not in the way
they treated him.

The BBC is supposed to offer argument against argument.
Not have five against one.

No other politician would have been treated like that.

I am no BNP supporter but Griffin did make two very good points
which many in the North of England would agree with.
It may come as a suprise to many living within the M25 but some
in England do not want Sharia law being introduced
for certain sections of society.

Also, even the Lib Dem and the Conservative agreed that
immigration now needs to be controlled.

As for Bonnie Greer I hope that the next time she in a programme
her other guests turn their back on her for the entire programme.
Of course, if that were to happen how loud would be the 'racist'
comments thrown at the perpetrator.

She was completely out of order and should have know better.

Ron Taylor (ex BBC)

ps. Before anyone asks, no the BBC have not asked to me to write this.

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#66 wappaho

"JJs NYC theory is very plausible but despite that, for the most part jewish people are not a threat to society and we should be able to talk freely about judaism as we do islam and christianity."

Garbage! Jaded_Jean is "agnostic" on the Holocaust and has specifically referred to the "internal political and economic threat" of the Jews as viewed by the Nazis as just and still holds that view today.

Thats why you see "Jewish" posts from that creature daily.

I personally think that we should learn from Germany where Holocaust Denial is a criminal offence.

There should be a freedom to speak but not a freedom to lie.

thegangofone (various) You don't know much about psychopaths and their kissing cousins, narcissists. That should not surprise anyone.

the real 'loser' last night was Jack Straw, Griffin is already a loser, but Jack has wriggled on policy for the last twelve years and now it has caught up with him and watching him squirm was revolting