🎧 Ndoye and the xPTS tablepublished at 17:14 BST 15 October
17:14 BST 15 October
The latest episode of the Shut Up And Show More Football podcast has landed.
BBC Radio Nottingham's David Jackson and Colin Fray look at the Premier League expected points (xPTS) table, which is calculated by comparing the quality of goalscoring chances a team makes (xG) and concedes (xGA) in every match, and shows what the impact would have been on a team's points total.
Six games into the 2026-27 season, Nottingham Forest are sat third in the table behind Arsenal and Manchester City - a staggering difference to their reality down in 15th place.
There is also an exclusive interview with Dan Ndoye, who has adjusted to a new position under head coach Oliver Glasner, already scoring two goals in seven appearances while doing so this season.
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How much did Man City's rule breaking cost your team?published at 12:14 BST 13 October
12:14 BST 13 October
Dale Johnson Football issues correspondent
Imagine a world where Manchester City had not used "sham contracts" to build a team capable of winning three Premier League titles, one FA Cup and three EFL Cups.
If City were the winners, then there had to be losers - and not just those teams who finished runners-up or lost cup finals.
The potential impact runs much deeper and includes missed Champions League qualification, relegation and Premier League prize money.
Thirty-five other teams played in the English top flight between 2009 and 2018.
And every one could in some way claim to have been left financially out of pocket.
Glasner reflects on Selhurst receptionpublished at 19:04 BST 12 October
19:04 BST 12 October
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Nottingham Forest boss Oliver Glasner has thanked both his own fans and supporters of Crystal Palace for the reception and support he was given on his Selhurst Park return on Sunday, and welcomed an emerging rivalry between the two clubs.
Glasner guided Palace to three trophies, the first major silverware in the club's history, in just over two years before joining Forest in July.
It was a controversial move, especially after Forest replaced the Eagles in the Europa League after their demotion to the Conference League before the 2025-26 season and their owner Evangelos Marinakis' involvement in subsequent legal proceedings.
Asked if he thought the friction between the two sets of supporters might endure, Glasner said: "I don't know. At the end, it's what we all want, when there is a rivalry between fans.
"I think everything, also today, is how we wanted. Both supporters, both sides, supported their team with a lot of energy, a lot of power.
"There was maybe a few (negative ones) but I didn't hear it, no negativity against the opposition, and it was really supporting my team, and this is how we want football at the end.
"As a manager, and I am now in football for many years, I haven't experienced that, (being) supported from both sides, so a really huge thank you."
'I thought I'd take the mickey out of them'published at 14:27 BST 12 October
14:27 BST 12 October
"As I sauntered off thinking 'who's going to come on to replace me'... nobody came."
Former Nottingham Forest midfielder Steve Hodge has been recalling the day Brian Clough subbed him off and brought nobody on to replace him.
Forest were leading 3-0 after 85 minutes of their FA Cup third-round replay against Crystal Palace in 1991.
"He pulled me on the Friday after a meeting and just said: 'Look, I wasn't having a go at you on Wednesday night when I brought you off and brought nobody on. I don't like Palace - you know I don't, son, and I thought I'd take the mickey out of them and embarrass them for a bit, so that's why I did it,'" Hodge told BBC Radio Nottingham.
Crystal Palace 3-1 Nottingham Forest - the fans' verdictpublished at 11:16 BST 12 October
11:16 BST 12 October
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We asked for your thoughts after Sunday's Premier League game between Crystal Palace and Nottingham Forest.
Here are some of your comments:
Crystal Palace fans
James: Never say die. They battered us in the first half but there's only one statistic that matters and when you're only 1-0 down you have a chance. Great to see the spirit in the team and we were much improved in the second half. Onwards!
Colin: We didn't get the luck against Ipswich and Leeds away so we were due some!
Joe: Going forward, good. Defensively, very worrying. How many games are we in now and we can't organise a defence? Leeds was a sign of change but this was a step back. Thankfully we can score goals now but we need to stop performances like the first half if we want to be safe this year.
Steve: For 40 minutes, it was like watching a scary movie from behind the sofa. Somehow, Forest failed to drive home their superiority. Then, from nothing, Palace equalised and Palace fans began to emerge from behind the sofa to witness a great comeback. The players showed tremendous heart and amazing resilience. A win is always pleasing, but Sage must sort out the defence before a better team really takes them to task.
Dom: To be honest we got away with it. Forest really should have buried us in the first half. That performance from Benitez might make it difficult for Henderson to get back in the team!
Nottingham Forest fans
Paul: Made a number of good chances but woeful in front of goal. Forest could have been four up before Palace scored and we paid the price. Entertaining game and couldn't fault the commitment of either team.
David: A wonderful performance for 40 minutes. How did we not score four? All credit to Palace for turning the game around but so disappointing to lose after the great start.
Peter: It's just not working for Forest and if things don't improve then we are in for another relegation battle. Unfortunately Liam Delap appears to be proving his doubters correct and our defence including Sels look increasingly haphazard. A magic wand is needed.
Kris: Blunt, craftless and needlessly defensive. Glasner's formation isn't working and his team lacks cutting edge. None of the problems that were so evident last season were addressed, with more poor/aimless recruitment in the summer. Another season of strife and struggle under the stewardship of Marianakis on the cards.
John: We have effort, flair and skill but we're not getting points. Yes, we've got key players injured but we're supposed to have strengthened the squad to overcome this. Mr Marinakis isn't frightened of using the manager's ejector seat and he'll be reaching for the button unless the points start coming.
Should Palace's second goal have been disallowed?published at 08:05 BST 12 October
08:05 BST 12 October
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"Nottingham Forest boss Oliver Glasner might have something to say about Crystal Palace's crucial second goal," said Dale Johnson, BBC football issues correspondent.
Jefferson Lerma nodded the ball through the legs of Forest keeper Matz Sels from a corner just moments before half-time on Sunday, but replays showed his effort grazed the elbow of team-mate Anan Khalail on its way into goal.
"A goal cannot be scored if the ball touches the arm, so Forest may believe the goal should have been ruled out," said Johnson. "The VAR determined that there was no conclusive evidence to get involved.
"This will sting for Forest after they had a Neco Williams goal ruled out for handball against Spurs, after he bundled the ball into the net on the goalline.
"There is a case that the evidence was clearer for handball by Khalaili than for Williams, and Forest have been on the wrong end of both."
Former Premier League assistant referee Darren Cann added: "After several replays, various angles and about 30 minutes of TV analysts magnifying the picture, it does look like Lerma's header comes off the arm of Khalaili before going into the goal.
"However, to be fair to the VAR, they cannot take this long in their deliberations and if there is not clear, indisputable evidence readily available, they must go with the on-field decision."
Crystal Palace 3-1 Nottingham Forest: What Glasner saidpublished at 17:16 BST 11 October
17:16 BST 11 October
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Nottingham Forest boss Oliver Glasner, speaking to Sky Sports: "We didn't kill the game off and we should have done it, creating so many chances. I played many games here and I haven't seen a team create so many chances. At the end we did not convert them.
"We conceded the two goals before half time then we had two big chances but then we conceded the slapstick goal and we are 3-1 down.
"Today it looks like it is just me who is responsible for this, call it karma or whatever but it was like I didn't deserve to win at Selhurst Park because the players did everything. Nobody to blame for anything, the effort was there and the quality was there.
"This performance will give us confidence even if it feels strange with the result.
"Crazy game but for us it is important not just to look at the result.
"A huge thank you to the Palace supporters and the Forest supporters. It is not often you are supported from both sides, so thank you very much."
On the Liam Delap chance: "He has scored 90% of his goals with power, that is his strength and I don't blame him for this. He knows he could have done it differently but I think 10 times with the same situation he would have scored that."
On the second Palace goal: "I haven't watched it back. Maybe today it was not clear and obvious."
Nottingham Forest analysis - frustration and controversy published at 17:12 BST 11 October
17:12 BST 11 October
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Nottingham Forest fans will have left Selhurst Park wondering how it all unravelled for their side, given just how in control they were for the majority of the first half.
They looked sharp and hungry for the ball, as well as capable of scoring with every attack but that almost all disappeared from the moment Palace equalised.
Forest may also feel aggrieved that Palace's crucial second goal - scored moments before half-time - was allowed to stand.
Initially it looked like a good header by Jefferson Lerma through the legs of Matz Sels, but replays showed that his effort did graze the elbow of Anan Khalaili.
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Crystal Palace v Nottingham Forest: Key stats and talking pointspublished at 13:31 BST 10 October
13:31 BST 10 October
Tom McCoy BBC Sport journalist
BBC Sport examines some of the key themes before Sunday's match (14:00 BST), with Nottingham Forest boss Oliver Glasner returning to face former club Crystal Palace.
Palace aim to end Forest hoodoo
"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em." That seems to have been the approach of Glasner, who failed to win any of his five games against Forest as Palace boss before swapping Selhurst Park for the City Ground this summer.
Palace's poor record in this fixture predates Glasner's appointment in 2024, with the Londoners winless in all 12 Premier League meetings. That is the most they have faced an opponent in the competition without winning, and likewise the most games Forest have played against one side without losing.
A convincing case can be made that Glasner is the most successful manager in Palace's history. The Austrian led them to their first two major honours - the FA Cup in 2025 and the Conference League a year later.
Some supporters may have been disappointed that he left to join a club who finished one place below Palace last season. However, owner Steve Parish has urged fans to give him a "fantastic reception" and ignore the "pantomime narratives".
Glasner's successor, Pierre Sage, earned his first Premier League clean sheet in the draw against Leeds United last time out but has lost both of his top-flight home games.
The Frenchman has chopped and changed so far, fielding 27 players in the league, a joint record by any Premier League team after five matches. Continuity will be needed if they are to climb the table.
Gibbs-White thriving on the road
Nottingham Forest were one of four Premier League clubs - including Crystal Palace - who earned more points away than at home last season, and that trend has become even more pronounced this term.
Forest have failed to score in all four of their league and cup games at the City Ground, but have drawn 2-2 at Liverpool and won 2-1 at Aston Villa.
Including last season, they have scored at least twice in seven consecutive top-flight away matches, the longest such run in the club's history.
One of the key players behind that sequence has been Morgan Gibbs-White. The 26-year-old played only 45 minutes during the international break, split between four substitute appearances for England, but is undoubtedly the talisman for his club.
Gibbs-White has either scored or assisted in eight consecutive Premier League away games, one short of the record shared by Andy Cole, Robin van Persie and Erling Haaland.
Glasner on team news, Crystal Palace memories and season so farpublished at 15:30 BST 9 October
15:30 BST 9 October
Ella Gibbs BBC Sport journalist
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Nottingham Forest boss Oliver Glasner has been speaking to the media before Sunday's Premier League game against Crystal Palace at Selhurst Park (kick-off 14:00 BST).
Here are the key lines from his news conference:
Glasner provided an update on the fitness of Nikola Milenkovic and Igor Jesus: "Milenkovic has a bone bruise and will miss the game, he can't train. Jesus has a muscle injury in his calf and will be out for a few weeks."
He added: "All Internationals came back fit and healthy. Neco Williams returned well and trained with us yesterday, but did not feel well and got fever in the night. We will see how he recovers."
On facing his former club Crystal Palace: "There are mixed emotions and I have fantastic memories of more than two years there. Great memories of the fans, of the times we had together and the wonderful staff I had met there."
Glasner added that his time with the Eagles was "two very successful and great years of my life" and he will be giving hugs before and after the game to Palace staff. He hopes to be able to do that at Forest in a few years too.
On the match itself, the Forest boss "expects a very tight game" and that "you know the weaknesses but it's all theory - how can we transfer that to the pitch? That's the most important part."
On moving leaving Palace to become head coach at Forest: "I took the decision to become Nottingham Forest manager, it was never a decision between Palace and Forest. When it was time to renew my contract I decided not to for different reasons. In the summer when I thought about it, could I be Oliver Glasner there, how I want to be, managing with my strengths and qualities? And that's why I'm now here."
Glasner said he is "not satisfied" with the points the Reds have and where they are in the table, but "complaining never helps, we have to be critical, the facts never lie. It our responsibility to take advantage from this."
He offered his opinion on the guilty verdict, external handed to Manchester City: "I can react on the final verdict, but in general, if somebody cheats they need to get punished. If not, then not. I think we all hope for the integrity of the game and of the Premier League that the final verdict is spoken soon."
How similar will the table look at the end of the season?published at 07:00 BST 9 October
07:00 BST 9 October
Chris Collinson BBC Sport statistician
Just five games in, it might seem a bit early to pay much attention to the Premier League table - but it's probably more settled than you think.
If we look at the Premier League after five games last season and where teams ultimately ended up, the final table was already starting to take shape as 13 of the 20 sides finished within four places of where they sat even at this early stage (65%).
Eventual champions Arsenal were second, Sunderland were already seventh - where they finished eight months later - and two of the three sides that were relegated were already in the bottom three.
The eventual champions have been in the top two at this point in the past four campaigns, suggesting - potential punishments aside - it will be Manchester City or Arsenal that lifts the trophy.
The top end of the table overall has sometimes settled surprisingly quickly in recent years. The top eight after five games in 2024-25 finished as the top eight at the end of that season (although not in the same order), while the top six in 2019-20 and top seven in 2016-17 were also in place at this early stage.
While being top after five games has not meant much in recent seasons, being bottom certainly has.
Tottenham could well be in trouble once again as the side bottom of the Premier League after five games has been relegated in six of the past seven seasons.
Being bottom this early did not used to be such a bad omen. Between 2013-14 and 2018-19, only one of the six sides that were propping up the table after five games ended up going down - Newcastle in 2015-16 - while Crystal Palace finished as high as 11th in 2017-18.
Looking at the relegation battle more broadly, at least one of the teams in the bottom three at this stage has been relegated in the past eight seasons - so one of Tottenham, Fulham and Coventry City are very likely to be heading to the Championship in May.
The pool of contestants for this season's relegation battle may already be decided too because the three sides that ultimately went down in the past three seasons were all in the bottom six after five games, which would add Bournemouth, Aston Villa and Crystal Palace to the mix.
The last sides to be outside the bottom six at this point but relegated were Leeds United and Southampton in 2022-23, who were both in the top half (seventh and ninth). With their teams currently in eighth and 11th place, Hull City and Ipswich Town fans will hope that is still the case at the end of this campaign.
While the season may well have barely begun, the Premier League table is already starting to take shape.
Gossip: Forest set to miss out on Morton signingpublished at 06:39 BST 8 October
06:39 BST 8 October
Newcastle United are favourites to beat Nottingham Forest to the signing of Lyon midfielder Tyler Morton. The 23-year-old is impressing in France after leaving Liverpool last year. (Football Insider), external
Glasner deserves positive Palace welcomepublished at 12:39 BST 7 October
12:39 BST 7 October
Nick Mashiter Football reporter
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Oliver Glasner should return to Crystal Palace on Sunday as a hero.
With the Eagles he won the FA Cup, Europa Conference League and the Community Shield to etch his name into Selhurst Park history. His final match in charge was that 1-0 win over Rayo Vallecano in Leipzig in May.
Yet his summer move to Nottingham Forest, after opting to leave Palace at the of last season, has left his legacy tarnished in the eyes of Eagles fans.
A new modern-day rivalry means the reception he gets when Forest travel to Selhurst Park on Sunday could be mixed.
Of course, that inadvertently helped Glasner lift the Europa Conference League, following Palace's demotion into that competition.
Because of that success and others - leaving him as the most successful manager in Palace's history - the Austrian deserves to be lauded in south London on Sunday afternoon.
Palace owner Steve Parish has urged fans to give him a "fantastic reception" and ignore the "pantomime narratives".
He is right, Glasner left and moved on to something else, that is the nature of the game. He is not the first and will not be the last.
Of course part of football is tribal rivalry but Glasner deserves to be recognised for what he achieved, not to be painted as the villain after so much success with Palace.
Rival clubs want range of punishments for Man Citypublished at 07:09 BST 7 October
07:09 BST 7 October
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A number of Premier League clubs want Manchester City to be hit with both "retrospective punishments" and sanctions for the future for their mass financial rule-breaking, sources have told BBC Sport.
An independent commission found City guilty of all charges relating to breaches of the Premier League's financial regulations between the 2009-10 and 2017-18 seasons.
City have appealed against the verdict, while the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) is poised to look at the findings to see if there may be any suggestions of potential misconduct.
However, there is said to be a consensus among a group of top-flight club executives that if City's appeal is unsuccessful, the sanctions should make reparations for the period when they broke the rules, while also limiting their powers in future.
There is also a feeling from at least four Premier League boardrooms that a "one-hit" points deduction resulting in relegation to the Championship would be an insufficient punishment given the severity of City's wrongdoing.
'Stolen memories, stolen trophies'published at 09:57 BST 5 October
09:57 BST 5 October
Content creator and Nottingham Forest fan Ellie Molloson gives her damning verdict on the charges against Manchester City: "As a Nottingham Forest fan, I don't want to see Manchester City back in the Premier League for at least 10 years.
"In the 2023-24 season, Forest were given a four-point deduction for breaching financial fair play and profitability and sustainability rules.
"We got a four-point deduction, and we were in a really scary relegation battle that season.
"For a considerable chunk of the season, those four points were going to send us down. Admittedly, the football wasn't great. However, we needed every point that we got.
"Man City did not co-operate with the Premier League, and City actively hid up to £900m in revenue that they did not earn. £900m across nine seasons...
"Man City had nine seasons of stolen memories, stolen trophies. They do not deserve the credit they have been given."
Gossip: Liverpool and Chelsea step up Murillo pursuitpublished at 07:57 BST 5 October
07:57 BST 5 October
Liverpool and Chelseahave joined the race to sign Nottingham Forest's Brazilian defender Murillo but the 24-year-old will not be allowed to leave the City Ground in January. (Football Insider), external
'I want everybody to feel welcome' - Glasner hosts grassroots daypublished at 18:55 BST 2 October
18:55 BST 2 October
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"I try to remind my players that we are all living our childhood dreams and we should never forget that," said Oliver Glasner after he welcomed local grassroots coaches and schoolchildren to Nottingham Forest's training ground over the international break.
Callum Hudson-Odoi, Arnaud Kalimuendo and Ryan Yates were among the first-team players in attendance, taking part in an initiative aimed at "further strengthening the connection between the club and the local community".
"It is very important to be accessible to grassroots coaches and kids," Glasner told BBC Radio Nottingham. "Everything usually happens behind closed doors, so if there's ever an opportunity then I'm always open to it.
"I can't talk about what other managers do. All I know is I'm enjoying what I'm doing. I like to be here at the training ground, whether that's with the players, my staff or the other people who work here.
"I'm a human being just like everyone else. We all want the same thing, we all want to be successful, so it's important to create an environment here where everybody feels welcome. That's just how I am."
On the importance of grassroots football, the Forest boss said: "It is where football starts. It is responsible for developing all of the kids in the villages where they grow up.
"It is also important to have coaches who love the kids and love football. The wider the foundation is, the higher the top level gets. It was great to have the coaches here because they are so important to football."
He added: "I love training with kids because I love their enthusiasm. It is just pure joy because life is all about football for them. It really reminds me of when I was a boy - I was playing football all day, whether it was at school or at home.
"When I see children laughing, smiling and having fun, it is the best. Unfortunately we forget that football is supposed to be fun sometimes because of the environment that we're in.
"There will always be pressure for me to perform, of course, but I try to remind my players that we are all living our childhood dreams and we should never forget that."
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Wilson kickstarted Brazil strategypublished at 09:49 BST 1 October
09:49 BST 1 October
Since Leo Bonatini became Nottingham Forest's first ever Brazilian to join the club in 2019, the Reds have remarkably signed 14 players from the football-famous country.
In a competitive market where clubs aim to identify a bright new spark - Forest have targeted South America continuously since Bonatini's arrival.
On BBC Radio Nottingham's Shut Up And Show More Football podcast, football commentator, scout and author Jon Cotterill, who is based in South America, gave an insight into why the Garibaldis target Brazilian players.
"One of the things it probably started with was Ross Wilson," he explained.
"I met him at Southampton. I think it was from him and his contacts in Brazil and in South America. A few of them have gone to Newcastle with him. It was around that time when things started to pick up South American wise."
Former chief executive Wilson was at the club between 2023 and 2025, but he is now Newcastle United's sporting director.
"It has always been the case that clubs have known about South Americans," added Cotterill.
"In terms of visas, a long time ago, you had to fork out at least £10m to get a South American. Maybe he had to be an international player as well. If he wasn't, you would have to go through a tribunal for special talent."
Forest currently have four Brazilian players as part of their Premier League squad; John Victor, Murillo, Jair Cunha and Igor Jesus.
Glasner's side also have Brazilians Cuiabano and Morato on respective loans at Vasco da Gama and West Ham.
"League Two clubs can now sign South Americans with ease," Cotterill added.
"The market has changed. I think it is down to Wilson and that period when they started to look at the South American market."
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