Summary

  • Pressure mounts on interim manager Igor Tudor after Tottenham are beaten 5-2 by Atletico Madrid in action-packed Champions League last-16 first leg at the Metropolitano

  • Spurs concede four in 14 minutes in the first half but recover in second half to keep tie alive

  • Goalkeeper Antonin Kinsky was replaced in the 17th minute after two errors

  • Defender Micky Van de Ven says the defeat was a "doomsday scenario" and that Spurs' form has been "really rough" to deal with

  • Former Tottenham goalkeeper Paul Robinson says Tudor's decision was "selfish" and "it will be soul-destroying for Kinsky", while Manchester United legend Peter Schmeichel says the substitution has "destroyed Kinsky's career"

  • Atletico manager Diego Simeone says he had "never seen anything like it" before

  • Is Tudor's Spurs reign almost up after only four games? asks chief football writer Phil McNulty

  • Get Involved: Send us your thoughts after another nightmare night for Tottenham

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  1. Where do Tottenham go from here?published at 14:34 GMT

    With interim manager Igor Tudor struggling to improve the club's fortunes, and little evidence of progress, is there anyone else Spurs could realistically call upon to rescue their season?

    This is the question we have been considering in this page over the past few hours.

    Just 10 months after winning the Europa League, Tottenham sit one point above the relegation places with nine games remaining.

    "In footballing terms, this is an absolute crisis that Tottenham are in," commentator John Murray said on BBC Radio 5 Live.

    It is the need to avoid an unthinkable first relegation from the top flight since 1977 which will inform the club's next steps.

    BBC Sport reporter Harry Poole has been looking into where Tottenham go from here...

    Tottenham clock and Igor Tudor imageImage source, Getty Images
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    Get Involved - 'Southgate could take Spurs to a better level''published at 14:31 GMT

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    Spurs last night reminded me of England in 2016 when they lost to Iceland. Plenty of talented individuals all running about like headless wingless chickens. Gareth Southgate took England to a better level and could do that at Spurs.

    Steve, London

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    Get Involved - 'It's time fans heard from the leadership'published at 14:27 GMT

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    It’s time the fans heard from the highly paid and largely new leadership. Levy never spoke to the fans - time for a change! Why did they hire Frank? Why did they wait so long to fire Frank? Why did they hire Tudor? Who else did they consider? What now?

    Steve, Richmond

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    Get Involved - 'Majority of players thinking about next move'published at 14:22 GMT

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    It doesn't matter who Spurs bring in, you can't get control of a dressing room where the majority of players are already thinking about their next move. They have given up, knowing that there will be relatively little damage to their reputation and that they will be sold if Spurs go down.

    Matt, Cardiff

    Matt got in touch before we published that interview with Micky van de Ven, but clearly his overall feelings towards the Tottenham players is not a positive one...

  5. Postpublished at 14:19 GMT

    Craig Nelson
    BBC Sport reporter

    What do you think about Micky van de Ven's quotes?

    He says Spurs were hit by a "doomsday scenario" in Madrid, are going through a "really terrible period" and he is "completely done" with his phone - presumably staying off it to avoid reading criticism about the team and his own performances...

  6. Van de Ven says Atletico defeat was 'doomsday scenario'published at 14:07 GMT

    Van de VenImage source, Getty Images

    Tottenham defender Micky van de Ven spoke to Dutch outlet Ziggo Sport after last night's defeat in Madrid.

    The defender, who slipped before Atletico Madrid's second goal, said the first 20 minutes of the match in Spain was a "doomsday scenario". The Netherlands international then admitted the club's recent form has been "rough" to deal with and that he avoids looking at his phone.

    Full transcript

    Interviewer: How did you find this match, man?

    Van de Ven: Yeah, terrible. I'll be completely honest with you, it's actually a doomsday scenario, everything that could go wrong in the first 20 minutes went wrong. I can't really say much more about it.

    Interviewer: That first quarter of an hour, what on earth happened? The pitch was sliding terribly. The goalkeeper, that's just bad luck of course.

    Van de Ven: Yeah, like you said, everyone's slipping. I slipped myself too, you know. Those are moments where you just really can't do anything about it. But I can't really stand here and start blaming the field. You kind of know what I mean? So for our goalkeeper (Kinsky) it's terrible as well of course, because he's making his debut, so you don't wish that on anyone. For the rest, yeah, what can I say? For 15 minutes we just conceded goals that you really can't do anything about. Again, I can't go blaming the field here, so yeah, that was just really tough.

    Interviewer: Football can be the greatest sport in the world, right. But yeah, now you're stuck in this weird flow. How do you get out of it? Yeah, maybe you'd say 'get the group together straight away', but are there other things you can think of? You're a bit older now, a bit more experienced.

    Van de Ven: Yeah, that's really hard to say, because you could just come out here and give the standard talk about how 'we all need to stick together and work hard', but right now we're just taking blow after blow after blow. So it's just really tough. And now we also have an important match this weekend that I won't be able to play in because I'm suspended of course. But yeah, it's a really terrible period, I can tell you that. It's really, really awful, man.

    Interviewer: How are you doing mentally yourself?

    Van de Ven: It's rough, I can tell you that, really rough. So like I said, I have to keep going. It's part of it, that's life and we'll see what's coming.

    Interviewer: I'd say avoid your phone a little.

    Van de Ven: I'm not on my phone anymore. I'm completely done with it. Just my family. So it'll be fine. Take it easy, man. Thank you, yeah.

  7. 'There's no team spirit at Spurs'published at 14:05 GMT

    Atletico Madrid 5-2 Tottenham

    Chris Waddle
    Former Tottenham winger on BBC Radio 5 Live

    This does not seem like a place that Igor Tudor can rescue Spurs from. But who can?

    It was a horrible game but Tottenham are such an easy team to play against. They do not look like they want to wear the shirt and there is no team spirit.

    If you have no confidence, then do not play. That is what you are paid for - to create and do things, and work hard.

    Spurs huddleImage source, Getty Images
  8. 'Attitude and application not there for Tottenham'published at 14:02 GMT

    Atletico Madrid 5-2 Tottenham

    Paul Robinson
    Former Tottenham goalkeeper on BBC Radio 5 Live

    Tottenham have a huge injury list, but so do other clubs. That is not an excuse.

    The minimum requirement is maximum effort and Spurs did not even look like they knew which way they were playing.

    It is about attitude and application and that is just not there at Tottenham.

  9. Van de Ven quotes to come....published at 14:00 GMT

    Craig Nelson
    BBC Sport reporter

    One talking point that has not been fully addressed today in this page has been the role the current crop of players have played in Tottenham's stuttering form.

    Coming up we have the views of former players Paul Robinson and Chris Waddle on this topic.

    And we also have some interesting comments from current centre-back Micky van de Ven, from an interview he gave with a Dutch TV station on Tuesday night...

  10. 'Spurs owners have to think very seriously about selling'published at 13:57 GMT

    Speaking before Wednesday night's defeat by Atletico Madrid, former Tottenham defender Ramon Vega told BBC World Service that he has held talks with a consortium interested in buying the club.

    The Swiss, who spent four years in north London between 1997 and 2001, says the club are suffering because of "neglect".

    “I played for the club, I won something for the club, I know what the club is all about, I know what the fans are all about and their passion," said Vega."They all want, of course, to win something and the good of the club. The frustrating side, when you look from the outside, there are years of neglection of recruitment. The football side was pretty much put aside. They have no forward thinking recruitment strategy in place. They have all these injuries (but) they’re not spending in the January market to get extra players for these five or six months and now, most likely might be very costly if it goes that direction we don’t want.

    “For all what the savings they’ve done in the past, and created a business around football but not with football and that now is going to be potentially the problem and the fans are going to be the ones paying for it because they’re one of the most expensive tickets in the Premier League. Now, they’re mostly thinking to potentially watch them in the Championship.

    “The owners have to think very seriously. Sell it to somebody who really wants to be building up a football club or invest into it.”

    Ramon VegaImage source, Getty Images
  11. Postpublished at 13:55 GMT

    Craig Nelson
    BBC Sport reporter

    Former Tottenham players are not only being linked with the manager's role, one ex-defender says he has been involved in talks with a consortium interested in buying the club...

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    Get Involved - Who would you like to replace Tudor at Spurs?published at 13:52 GMT

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    Spurs should go for a past manager or player that the fans can get behind. Redknapp, Sherwood, Poch (similar to Blackburn with O'Neill). And then they need to fight like hell because otherwise they are going down. Big Sam would do a job but the fans would revolt.

    Simon, Manchester

    Spurs should bring in Ryan Mason until the end of the season. It might not work but at least someone with a connection and past with the club might be able to inspire something. More than they have right now.

    John, Essex

    Ryan MasonImage source, Getty Images
  13. Where can Spurs pick up points they need for survival?published at 13:47 GMT

    There are six Premier League clubs still very much in the mixer for relegation this season.

    Nottingham Forest, Tottenham and Leeds United are the three teams currently sat precariously above the relegation zone, with West Ham United, Burnley and Wolves taking up the unwanted spots.

    In past 38-game seasons in the Premier League's history, 36 points would have ensured survival 60% of the time. The rate of survival increases to 80% for 38 points, 90% for 40 points and 100% for 43 or more points.

    Spurs are currently 16th in the table on 29 points. Three of their nine remaining league games are against teams in the bottom six.

    Check out their remaining fixtures to see where you think Tottenham could pick up the points they need to ensure their safety:

    • Liverpool (A) - 15 March
    • Nottingham Forest (H) - 22 March
    • Sunderland (A) - 12 April
    • Brighton (H) - 18 April
    • Wolves (A) - 25 April
    • Aston Villa (A) - 02 May
    • Leeds United (H) - 9 May
    • Chelsea (A) - 17 May
    • Everton (H) - 24 May
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    Get Involved - 'Get Redknapp or Sherwood in'published at 13:35 GMT

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    Let Tudor go now. The board made a mistake, accept it. Tudor isn't a magician. Get Redknapp, Sherwood, whoever - pay what's needed. Keeping Tudor is like accepting we will go down. Give the fans and the players what they want, have no regrets for the last few games, and go out fighting.

    Ian, London

    I can understand the reaction, however what gives anybody any confidence that the next (if there is to be one this season) appointment will be the one to save Spurs? If it is based on 'it can't be any worse than it already is', wasn't the same said of Thomas Frank?

    Daniel, Ely

    Harry Redknapp at Tottenham's former White Hart Lane groundImage source, Getty Images
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    Get Involved - Who would you like to replace Tudor at Spurs?published at 13:33 GMT

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    There is a lot of jesting, poking and bating going on in this page today, which isn't very surprising - football banter was ever thus.

    But there is a serious question for the 80% of you who, according to today's poll at the top of this page, want to see a change.

    Who would you like to see replace Igor Tudor as Tottenham manager - on a permanent basis or until the end of the season?

    Get in touch with your thoughts using the 'Get Involved' button...

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    Get Involvedpublished at 13:28 GMT

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    Ben: I wonder if the 20% of voters who voted no [in BBC Sport's poll] are simply those who want Tottenham relegated or want the easy points in their remaining fixtures?

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    Get Involved - 'Surely Spurs are within the returns period?'published at 13:23 GMT

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    I get the sentiment of protecting a new manager, but with only 27 points available, can Spurs afford to go into any game and not compete? Even a lucky point could help.

    Geoff, Newcastle

    Surely they are still within the 28-day returns period?

    Nickolas, Alton

  18. Spurs hierarchy face big decisionpublished at 13:18 GMT

    Sami Mokbel
    BBC Sport Senior football correspondent

    Johan Lange, Tottenham's technical director, left, and Spurs' chief executive officer Vinai VenkateshamImage source, Getty Images

    The question Tottenham's board members will be asking themselves after Igor Tudor's latest aberration is: are the players responding to the manager's methods?

    The answer appears clear - four games have brought four losses, with 14 goals conceded.

    Results aside, sources have indicated to BBC Sport in recent days that members of the squad are still to be convinced that Tudor has the tools to guide this struggling team away from the sorry predicament they find themselves in.

    So, with that in mind, the club's hierarchy clearly has a big decision to make - and this result will only serve to sharpen the focus on Tudor's job security in the coming days.

    A decision to sack Tudor so soon after his appointment would provide a clear admission of error from Tottenham's hierarchy.

    The club's ownership, you would imagine, will be demanding answers.

  19. 'Football comes second to business at Spurs'published at 13:11 GMT

    Atletico Madrid 5-2 Tottenham

    Chris Waddle
    Former Tottenham winger on BBC Radio 5 Live

    Tottenham Hotspur has become a business. They have a new stadium, one of the best in the world, and it is now a business. The football has become second to that.

    You need someone who has a football mindset and wants to make Tottenham Hotspur a great club. They have the money to make this club massive.

    Until the business takes a back seat, people will always be chirping.

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    Get Involved - 'It's toxic from head down'published at 13:03 GMT

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    You can only imagine that Tudor is still there because we are struggling to convince anyone else to take the job. He has been awful, but so too has been the attitude of the players. It's toxic from the head down.

    Simon, Kilmacolm

    Unfortunately, feel we are down even if Tudor goes today. The players are in total disarray, and with the injury list, there is no saving us, whoever comes in. Spurs execs have run the football part of the club into the ground.

    Mr Unhappy, Leeds