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Joel de Carteret was born in Manila in the Philippines and lived there with his family. But one day, when he was just four, he wandered away from home and got lost. This is the story of Joel, his adoptive mum, Julie, and the birth mother that he never forgot, all in conversation with Outlook's Emily Webb. This interview was first broadcast in 2017. Indian activist Sindhutai Sapkal never experienced maternal love. Her life, however has been defined by it. She is known as ‘mother of orphans’ and is believed to have adopted more than 1,400 children. But astonishingly she ended up giving away her biological daughter, Mamata, raising interesting questions of family and forgiveness. This interview was first broadcast in 2019. Get in touch: [email protected] Presenter: Emily Webb Picture: The skyline of suburban Makati, Manila, Philippines Credit: Romeo Gacad/AFP/Getty Images