Use BBC.com or the new BBC App to listen to BBC podcasts, Radio 4 and the World Service outside the UK.

Find out how to listen to other BBC stations

Episode details

Radio 2,3 mins

Vanessa's Pause for Thought: Shazia Mirza on "Every Cloud..."

Pause For Thought

Available for over a year

'When things look grim, there is always a way out that you can’t see, or imagine.'

Programme Website
More episodes