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World Service,18 Apr 2012,23 mins

FW de Klerk

The Interview

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In a programme first broadcast in 2012, Stephen Sackur speaks to FW de Klerk, South Africa's last apartheid-era leader and a co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize with Nelson Mandela. Photo: Former South African President FW de Klerk in Cape Town, South Africa, 2020 (Credit: Reuters)

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