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Radio 4,17 Dec 2025,59 mins

Nato secretary-general Mark Rutte talks to PM

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In an exclusive interview with PM, Nato Secretary-General Mark Rutte says that the pledge of Nato countries to spend 5% of their economic output on defence is Donald Trump's 'biggest foreign policy success'. He also discusses wider threats from Russia and China. Also: as NHS resident doctors strike, one BMA member tells us why he crossed the picket line. And: how to make the most of spending time with loved ones at Christmas this year, by interviewing relatives of the older generation.

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