Former Congresswoman Quits Over Family Separation

Former congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman, a member of an advisory panel for the US Department of Homeland Security, on why she resigned in protest on the family separation issue.

Also in the programme: a British psychologist on why rituals are beneficial for our well-being and for societies as a whole, and why she's taken it on herself to go round trying to help people invest their lives with more ritualised behaviour.

(Photo: US Customs and Border Protection photo dated June 17, 2018 and obtained June 18, 2018 shows intake of illegal border crossers by US Border Patrol agents at the Central Processing Centre in McAllen, Texas. Children have been taken away from their mothers and fathers in the Border Patrols South Texas Rio Grande Valley sector, with many brought to the Central Processing Station in McAllen, Texas, since the policy was announced on May 7, according to Manuel Padilla, the Border Patrol sector chief. Credit: AFP/US Customs and Border Protection)