Judit Varga - Minister of Justice, Hungary

The EU has long threatened to punish the populist nationalist government in Hungary for a failure to uphold core EU values. So far the threats have been empty, but now there's a concerted effort to link post Covid financial aid to compliance with core principles on the rule of law. Stephen Sackur speaks to Hungary's justice minister Judit Varga. How far is Hungary prepared to go in its defiance of Brussels institutions and EU norms?