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Helen and Joy - Life Is Like a Pack of Cards

A daughter worries that her mother may feel she's missed out by not having grandchildren, but both are pragmatic about what life has dealt them. Fi Glover presents another conversation in the series that proves it's surprising what you hear when you listen.

Producer: Marya Burgess.

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5 minutes

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  • Fri 13 Jul 201816:55

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Broadcast across Radio 4 and on local radio stations across the UK and Northern Ireland.

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