Steven Ciobo, Australian Minister for Trade, Tourism & Investment

Stephen Sackur speaks to Steven Ciobo, Australia's trade minister. Just a few years ago conventional wisdom had it that globalisation and free trade were unalloyed positives enriching us all. Now the mood is different. Think Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and the rise of protectionist politicians in many democracies. But not it seems in australia - a vast land rich in resources, still eager to expand the scope of free trade. HARDtalk asks Australia's trade minister Steven Ciobo - could Australia feel the fall out from growing disillusion with globalisation?