Alice Englert plays Mary

Alice Englert plays Mary in Top Of The Lake: China Girl.

Published: 13 July 2017
The crime is complex. Trying to figure out who the bad guy is in this series, I don't think you'll do it. I don't think anyone will. This series does not tell you who to root for.
— Alice Englert

Tell us about your character and where she fits into the storyline.
I play Mary, the biological daughter of detective Robin Griffin, who was adopted at birth by Julia and Pyke Edwards and lives in Sydney. Mary is an intense personality. I think some of that is borrowed from being an adolescent person and then just the complications of being a human, which is a central theme in Top Of The Lake and something that I've appreciated and examined in the series.

She is part of something that is complicated and mysterious, and also something criminal. Mary inhabits these worlds and for much of the series isn't aware of it. She doesn't know how close she is to the thing that Robin Griffin is trying to unravel.

It's a very interesting time in Mary’s life because there is a moment in the first series where Robin reveals that she had a letter from her daughter, who was the baby that she had had from being raped by multiple rapists when she was 15 years old. And she reveals that she could not reply to that letter. When we meet Mary, she is in the process of recovering and finding a way to take control of her life, post suffering the rejection of not receiving a reply.

Mary is interesting because, unlike me, she has a strong survival instinct, which can sometimes be mean and scary. It's a fight that I also think Robin has within her. And it's a strength - but the way that that can turn out is also mentioned in series one by Robin’s mother. I can't remember the exact quote but I think she says, “You mistake this coldness for strength”. And I think that Mary is experiencing that herself when we meet her. The attempt to try and control her life and to feel safe by not being vulnerable anymore.

What was it like doing the scene where Mary first meets her birth mother?
It was extremely special to do the scene. Because it's like meeting the creator, and she has to confront these fantasies of love and protection and safety that she had associated with this mother figure, who she had also tried to let go in the years leading up to the beginning of the series.

Mary has really committed herself to living a life with Puss and to making that a world she can survive in. And when she meets her mother it's almost like a moment of infidelity, because the strength of the romance of the mother figure and the strength of the romance of the lover figure are on par. And that was a really interesting thing to explore throughout the series: Mary’s infidelities, with all the romances of her adopted mother and her real mother and her real lover and the dad. I don't mean in a sexual way, but I think romance is not necessarily a sexual thing.

There are different love stories playing throughout.
There's a great deal of romance in the series and some of it is in actual sexual relationships, and some of it is really friendships, family. And it's so rich, it's so deep. I only cross over into the world of Robin Griffin and Miranda Hilmarson briefly, but I've been very aware of that relationship and what that is in the story throughout the process of making it, and I'm very aware of Gwendoline and Lizzie and their rapport, and their onscreen rapport as well.

I think that is a beautiful relationship in this story. It's great to see women who are not just strong, but also really complicated and sometimes weepy and sometimes messed up and who don't really like each other, but that 'being something' - that is a story. I love their romance, and I love seeing Gwendoline’s desires for what she wanted Robin Griffin to be, as well and how she wanted Robin to see her.

It's actually quite a different story for Robin and Mary, because Robin and Mary actually do like each other, and they respect each other. Though there's this remarkable tension and feeling of what's at stake and what could go so terribly wrong, it doesn't go terribly wrong. Mary is able to let go of those fantasies because she's actually interested in the real person that is her mother.

What drew you to work on this series?
It would be hard to say that anything other than my mother [Jane Campion] drew me to this series. I actually am just a huge fan of Top Of The Lake and the truth is that for series one Jane did attempt to write me in there, but I got another role which was a lot bigger and I had to take it. But thank god, because when they realised that they wanted to make a second series, Jane was determined and I was also determined that this time I would be in it.

From the beginning of the writing process of the second series Mary was written so that I could portray her. It wasn't really till the scripts were in a more final stage that I did read them and I really agree with something that Jane said, which is that she finds Top Of The Lake to be like a novel and wrote it to be in that way.

What was your reaction when you first got the scripts?
Reading the scripts I actually did cry. I knew I could do the role because every time it said 'Mary cries', I was going “oh God”. I was moved following the journey of my character and the characters in the story. I have to say, though, that without rehearsal it would've been totally confusing. Because it is a very complicated and character-rich series. And there are things that have to be held and embraced in that moment that aren't present in the story, that have happened so long ago, that have been happening for years and years. And without rehearsal you wouldn't know that you were all in the same world.

Talk about the experience of the rehearsals and how that helped build the character of Mary.
Rehearsal was incredible, I loved it. Some actors don't like rehearsing but at our group could have just rehearsed forever. Jane and Ari were both great, and that feeling that we were all creating the same world made all the cast and myself feel really confident about the things that we were forming and what we were going to be able to offer.

In rehearsal we did a lot of improvisations around the family time, and Mary’s adolescence. I have a little pink book which is my bible, I've written all my little things so if I'm ever at loss, I can flick through the book. I wrote a lot about bad things that Julia had done to deserve the cruel treatment she's given.

How would you describe Mary’s relationship with her adoptive mother?
I do want to talk about Mary and Julia, because it’s full on. We've been doing these family dinner scenes and it's just war - and all kinds of war, too. The boring, still kind, which are still full of tension. And then the complete battles, the carnage kind. It's so confusing to try and be objective or have my own point of view about the way Mary or Julia behaves in these scenes. Because Mary has to believe everything she says, and she says some terrible stuff. And I have to be there with her till it's over. I'm not method in any way, but I have to shut my ears if anyone else is feeling provoked on set by my character’s journey.

What about Mary’s very unusual relationship with Puss?
For Mary they're a king and a queen. And they're living in a strange and complicated world together, but they're doing it together, and they're going to be ruthlessly honest about their own prejudice and everyone else’s prejudice, even when it makes them feel uncomfortable and even when it's painful or confusing - or at least that's the philosophy that leads Mary to do some extreme things for Puss.

In one case she follows his philosophy into prostitution. Why this doesn't work and why this is a bad thing is that Puss’s philosophy is Puss’s philosophy and it's mood dependent. One of the things that will be interesting in the series is where the philosophy works or where the philosophy has its moments of truth.

But I think that the love with them is actually really strong. Puss really does love Mary and I'm glad and proud that that is something that the series wants to portray. It's easy to say, “Oh, look at this inappropriate relationship”. But there is a relationship. And there are two whole people in that relationship. If we don't admit that there is love there and that there is something really important there, not just “oh they did this thing”, we don't just turn it into a sentence, then we have an actual chance of understanding why we do painful things to ourselves.

How is that relationship connected to the crime that takes place?
The good intentions that they have are integral to the mystery of this story and the crime. The crime is complex. Trying to figure out who the bad guy is in this series, I don't think you'll do it. I don't think anyone will. Because I don't know who it is really either. This series does not tell you who to root for.

How was it for you being a part of the brothel scenes?
It was an extremely difficult set to work in because it was summer, and it was hot, and there was no space and I'm sure that we were all a bit smelly at some point. But everyone continued to be charming and real and it was a great and unusual world to be inside of. And to learn about that world, I appreciated that. It was so removed from my everyday experience, but for so many people it really isn't. I want to feel aware of, and intimate with, the things that are extremely close and present and part of our society and city and working life.

Talk about working with your mother, Jane, and director Ariel.
A really comforting thing for an actor is when you have two directors and you can see that they both want to make the same series. I definitely feel that with Jane and Ari, that they're making the same series, and it's just been a pleasure working with both of them.

I love working with my mother and it doesn't feel so strange because I spent a lot of my youth working as an actress, rehearsing with my mum, or wanting her opinion, wanting her input. Because I think she's fantastic, she's one of the best filmmakers in the world and so it's been easy because on this, I just do what she wants or try to do what she wants. I totally trust her, and Ari has a beautiful way of talking with actors. I find him really easy to understand. He's really sweet and funny and observant. He gives good direction, it's lovely when you can feel that someone’s there for you like that. 

Character descriptions

Robin Griffin (Elisabeth Moss)
Detective Robin Griffin has eturned to Sydney to rebuild her life. Broken and fragile, she is convinced that her work will restore her but is haunted by the daughter she gave up at birth. Robin’s search to discover ‘China Girl’s’ identity takes her into the city’s dark recesses and also deep into the secrets of her own heart. As she gets to know Mary and grapples with the push and pull of this new relationship, her fears grow about the danger Mary may be in, but her hopes also rise about the possibility of a new kind of love.

Mary Edwards (Alice Englert)
Mary was adopted by Julia and Pyke when she was two days old. A beloved only child, she wrote to Robin when she was 12, hoping for a reply, but one never came and for years she has struggled with this rejection. Now a mercurial 17 year-old who is determined to chart her own path, Mary is swept up in a thrilling relationship with a much older man, Alexander, whom she plans to marry.

Julia Edwards (Nicole Kidman)
Julia is Mary’s adoptive mother. A secondary school teacher, her fierce, controlling love for her daughter has put them on a collision course, intensified by the fact that Julia has recently fallen in love with a woman and moved out of the family home. As she and Pyke disentangle their lives, Julia is struggling to figure out how to hold on to a difficult teenage daughter who seems to hate her.

Miranda Hilmarson (Gwendoline Christie)
Miranda is an eager new recruit in the Sydney Police force and a fan of Robin’s, whose reputation proceeds her. She is thrilled to be partnered with Robin but can’t seem to get anything right and her open-hearted directness clashes with Robin’s self-contained distance. As the investigation unfolds their partnership surprises both women, and Miranda becomes a forceful catalyst in pushing Robin to face her demons.

Alexander Braun - Puss (David Dencik)
A former academic from East Germany in his early 40s, the charming, charismatic Puss sees himself as a Robin Hood engaged in a provocative life of authentic class warfare. He is generous and kindly to the girls in the brothel he lives above, but as Mary forges a friendship with Robin, the depths of his emotional sadism begin to show.

Pyke Edwards (Ewen Leslie)
Pyke is a successful lawyer and Mary’s adoptive father. A man of integrity and courage, he is calmly working through the separation with Julia, determined to do whatever it takes to keep his daughter close.