Arguing the casepublished at 00:20 BST 17 May 2016
Ian Katz
Newsnight Editor
It’s become a common refrain in the referendum campaign that voters want more facts and less rhetoric to help make up their minds. But two exchanges in tonight’s show threw into stark relief how even the most basic facts about our EU membership look very different according to which side of the argument they’re viewed from.
The first was about the oft-touted claim by the Leave campaign that the UK sends £350m per week to Brussels. We thought we might avoid argument over it later in the show by running a short film laying out in more detail what we pay to Brussels and what we get back, and seeing if both sides could at least agree on our true membership fee for the European club.
Evan Davies travels back in time to get to the bottom of the EU rebate
But leading the Leave side of tonight’s debate, Douglas Carswell stuck doggedly to the line that neither our £5bn/year rebate nor £4bn/year of EU spending in the UK should be taken into account in calculating our EU contribution. The inability of both sides to even agree the cost of EU membership has become a striking indication of how tribal this argument has become.
The two sides saw Britain’s influence in Brussels through equally different lenses. For Remain’s Stephen Wall, the UK was on the winning side of votes 85% of the time, and along with Germany was responsible for initiating most EU legislation. But for Carswell, the more relevant statistic was that the UK had been outvoted on 72 occasions and has just 10% of votes in the European parliament.
In the US, some commentators have been talking about Trump’s rise in the context of a “post fact age”. Once or twice tonight, it felt like British politics may have entered it too.









