Adaptable Wilshere makes encouraging start
He may not have done it exactly in the way that was anticipated but, on his first start for his country, Jack Wilshere still demonstrated just how adaptable he is during the first half of England's 2-1 friendly win over Denmark.
Following pre-match comments from coach Fabio Capello comparing him to, among other world stars, Claude Makelele, it was expected that the 19-year-old Arsenal star would be employed predominantly as a holding midfielder in Copenhagen.
Although Wilshere did have more defensive responsibilities than he is normally given by the Gunners, in many ways he operated as an orthodox midfielder during his 45 minutes on the pitch against the Danes.
And he did an extremely disciplined job. More than half of his 35 touches were in the Danish half - and he certainly did not function as an out-and-out anchorman.

After the game, Wilshere reflected on his display. "It was quite similar to my role at Arsenal but just not going forward as much," he said. "I spoke to the boss [Capello] before the game and he said he wants to play me there - and I'll play anywhere for my country."
It might have been a similar role for Wilshere but there were still several unfamiliar elements for him to deal with. For his club, in Arsene Wenger's preferred shape of a 4-2-3-1, Wilshere often sits deep. But the presence of Alex Song alongside him means he has the licence to roam further forward - where he links up so well with the likes of Cesc Fabregas on the edge of the opposition area.
For his country, Wilshere lined up alongside captain Frank Lampard in central midfield as part of a 4-4-2 formation at the Parken Stadium and accepted that his main job was to stifle opposition attacks, not support those of his own team.
Defensively, it was a far from flawless set-up, allowing Denmark's Christian Eriksen to exploit the space between England's back four and midfield in what was an extremely open first half. But, once we accept his job was not to nullify Eriksen by following him everywhere, we can see that Wilshere not only did what was asked of him in his new position, he did it extremely well.
He saw far less of the ball than he would expect to when playing for Arsenal and made most of his passes further up the pitch. But he was still as assured in possession, successful with 27 out of 29 passes on Wednesday, compared, for example, with 40 out of 49 in Saturday's 4-4 Premier League draw with Newcastle.
He also made three tackles, as many as any other England player. And although he was more conservative than Lampard when it came to taking his turn going forward, he also made a few of his trademark surges and demonstrated his vision by pinging precise passes out to the wings, the areas that were the source of most of England's attacks.
"I wouldn't say he was playing as a holding midfielder, more a normal midfielder," former England boss Graham Taylor told BBC Radio 5 live. "He defended when he had to and got forward when that was possible."
Wilshere did exactly that to play his part in England's first goal, showing off the defensive and offensive sides to his game, as well as his discipline and ability to work in tandem with Lampard.
After breaking up a Denmark attack on the edge of his own area, Wilshere followed play forward down the right before finding Ashley Cole on the left from the halfway line with a raking diagonal ball.
Cole, Wayne Rooney and Theo Walcott combined to continue a move that switched back across to the opposite wing, before Darren Bent finished it off from close range. Notably, though, it was Lampard, who had covered Wilshere during the build-up, who burst into the six-yard box as Bent scored. Wilshere, suppressing the attacking instincts we know he has, had slotted back in behind Lampard and was patrolling the halfway line.

That is not the only reason Wilshire was rightly proud of his display. His precise distribution - his only two misplaced passes came on the edge of the Danish area - helped produce a much improved passing performance by England in comparison to their last outing, a friendly defeat by France in November. At Wembley on that night, England's central midfielders completed 93 out of 123 passes. In Copenhagen, the completion rate was a far-more pleasing 127 out of 142, albeit against inferior opposition.
"What Jack did very well was keep the ball moving," added Taylor. "He had such a good body shape when he went back to get the ball off the defenders - he was always in the right position and direction to move the ball on with only one or two touches.
"His sort of crisp passing was part of what made this a better England performance than against France. England were moving the ball around a lot quicker this time."
In fairness, it was a similar story after the break against Denmark, when Capello replaced Wilshere and Lampatrd with Scott Parker and Gareth Barry and switched from 4-4-2 to a 4-2-3-1 formation. Ashley Young, another substitute, brought zip to England's attacks behind Bent, although it should be taken into consideration that a series of changes by Denmark meant they were no longer offering the same threat.
So, what did we learn about Wilshere? Mostly that we now know he has the discipline and versatility to perform outside of Arsenal's formidable framework.
That means Wednesday was a worthwhile experiment by Capello even if, in the short-term, Steven Gerrard's probable return for England's next game, their Euro 2012 qualifier against Wales on 26 March, will mean yet more changes in the midfield area.
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At 14:45 10th Feb 2011, The_Drogs_Nuts wrote:I'm sure I just read this on Zonal Marking
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Comment number 2.
At 14:54 10th Feb 2011, theyoungun wrote:Most English players are used to playing 4231 for their clubs, so why do we insist on the outdated 442?
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At 15:02 10th Feb 2011, The Unused Substitute wrote:@theyoungun:
I agree. I think 4-4-2 is a very outdated system.
You always risk being overrun in midfield because, technically, you're only deploying two players in the middle of the park. Although Wilshere and Lampard both played very well in my opinion, both players are at their best when they're allowed a bit more allowance going forward - so why not use them in their best position? It's crazy.
I don't believe that we'll ever progress far in a major tournament again playing a flat 4-4-2, but that's just my opinion.
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At 15:03 10th Feb 2011, Your own cow wrote:Our best attacking play came in the first half when England played 4-4-2, however, they controlled the game so much better when they switched to a 4-2-3-1 formation in the second half. Barry, and the impressive Parker, shielded the back four and prevened Eriksen finding the space he had been in the first half. Why Capello didn't play this way in the World Cup I do not know. I would like to see Wilshire beside Parker in this formation in the future.
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At 15:07 10th Feb 2011, hyphen86 wrote:The future does seems bright for England with players like Kelly, Rodwell and Albrighton augmenting the precocious development of Wilshere but please, please, please lets not put too much pressure on these boys. It killed the Golden Generation and is in the later stages of killing off the talent once harboured by Wayne Rooney.
Oh and I really hope we don't get Redknapp after Capello as unless he can through money at a problem he's stumped!
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At 15:20 10th Feb 2011, God_Save_Frank_Lampard wrote:I thought we were in 4-2-3-1... wasn't Rooney playing behind Bent with the two wingers either side of him?
God save Frank Lampard
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At 15:27 10th Feb 2011, BuzzSports wrote:I think England moving successfully to a 4231 won't happen until they get rid of Lampard and Gerrard. One is always shunted back to accomodate them both, and neither has the discipline to do justice to the role. Either that or Gerrard is out wide and kills balance. Parker/Wilshere got to be the best choice for the central pairing - the days of defensive/attacking midfielders are waning and the box to box role is far more important.
Would like to see talk of superior systems abandoned and England just to play the team with the best balance to exploit the players' abilities.
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At 15:30 10th Feb 2011, Sensible Discourse wrote:hyphen86: "please lets not put too much pressure on these boys. It killed the Golden Generation"
- Well, kind of. I think a better analysis would be that we just didn't have the players to compliment the likes of Gerrard, Lampard and Owen to achieve more success. Mills, Sinclair, Dyer, and Heskey all played in the QF against Brazil in 2002. That's a lot of dead wood when you are trying to win a major tournament...
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At 15:39 10th Feb 2011, hyphen86 wrote:Good point shakySpursforthecup and I'm not saying that the Golden Generation of players that you mention are solely to blame for the ineptitude of England in recent years but I feel too much pressure detracts from a player's ability and has an insidious effect on the team as whole. Surely these boys would be better off developing in a team that is treated as a team and not a conglomeration of erroneously portrayed world beaters.
The fact that Mills et al played in the QF of a World Cup is sickening by the way, then again Greece did win Euro 2004 seemingly bereft of individual talent...
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At 15:42 10th Feb 2011, Chad wrote:New England team has to be:
Hart
Johnson, Terry, Dawson, Cole
Parker
Walcott, Wilshire, Young,
Gerrard
Rooney
Bent is just not international class, just as Crouch wasn't. Neither will ever score many goals against the top sides. I'd prefer Defoe as reserve instead of those two, probably the best finisher we've got.
Unfortunately, Terry is still the best we've got in CD which isn't saying much, this is now a weak position for us. Dawson will hopefully get some form on the international stage.
Parker is exactly the type of player you need driving the others on, giving them some fight and spirit which England hasn't had for years. That midfield 5 will be able to ping the ball about like nobodys business.
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At 15:49 10th Feb 2011, EmeraldRam wrote:Not sure if i was watching the same game as you last night, but surely Rooney's role in the first half was parallel to that of Ashley Young in the second half- only executed with way less quality?
The difference between 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1 is very little. In both formations, one of the central midfielders can bomb on. Last night this was split between Lampard and Wilshere, while for his club Wilshere has the licence to roam because Song will hold permanently. The only difference between the two is that with the 4-2-3-1 a player will drop in the space behind the striker. For the last number of years Wayne Rooney has done this job for England in what can only be described as a 4-2-3-1 formation. I think it's time for England to stop blaming the formation, the manager and the amount of foreigners plying their trade in England, and man-up and admit that the team isn't good enough, and ultimately without the spark of Wayne Rooney, which has been absent for 12 months, the team shouldn't be going any further than they actually did in the World Cup. Media hype.
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At 15:51 10th Feb 2011, armamentarium stultorum wrote:"I thought we were in 4-2-3-1... wasn't Rooney playing behind Bent with the two wingers either side of him?"
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I'd agree with that assessment, and apparently so would young Jack, since he mentioned that the assignment wasn't much different. Largely the difference between the gaffers really.
Pair Wilshire with Parker in that 4-2-3-1, and hang one of Gerard or Lampard in front of them. I'd guess that the two of them would make a formidable partnership.
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At 15:52 10th Feb 2011, shaunrankincaludy wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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At 16:01 10th Feb 2011, XaviRules wrote:Worst players in the first half were Johnson and Rooney-but because they are senior they will almost deffinately play vs Wales...Kyle Walker has been the best right back in the country this year so he should be given a chance. team vs Wales should be...
Hart
Walker Terry Cahill Cole
Parker
Walcott Wilshire Gerrard/Lampard Milner
Bent
Rooney- until he finds his form again on the bench
Whoever is fit between lamps and stevie g as you know one of them will be injured
Young on the bench to make an impact like last night
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At 16:02 10th Feb 2011, PreetiBoyC wrote:... so, do we think by all the talk in the last couple of days that Jack Wilshire is the next "£50m" player; or is there a risk we could soon hear the dreaded words "I want to play for a team that matches my own ambitions"...
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At 16:05 10th Feb 2011, XaviRules wrote:Oh and Gareth Barry being made captain for the last few minutes nearly made me sick- most overated player ive ever seen!
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At 16:10 10th Feb 2011, matty408 wrote:hopefully michael dawson did enough last night to make sure he is handed no further caps. does this guy really play in the premier league? positionally, he is dreadful. Even denmark were able to exploit him, god help us when we come up against a decent side with him playing.
good to see some of the young guns play well...we hope and pray Capello show the belief in them to stick with developing a new team rather than trying yet again to find a winning formula with players who have been tried, tested and failed at international level.
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At 16:13 10th Feb 2011, MrBlueBurns wrote:16 XaviRules
If you're that easily shocked or so easily given to hyperbole, I hope you choke on your sick!
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At 16:17 10th Feb 2011, XaviRules wrote:If it means never seeing him wearing that most treasured of possesion ever again then so do I 18. MrBlueBurns, so do I
you honestly telling me you are happy seeing him captain our country?
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At 16:26 10th Feb 2011, MrBlueBurns wrote:19 XaviRules
Depends on what you want in a captain. He was captain for Villa for some time wasn't he?
Anyway, it was only for a few minutes.
I'm more interested in the opening gambit in that Capello was comparing Wilshere to Makelele. Even if what he meant was lost in translation a bit (why isn't Capello's English better by now? Look at Ancelotti) wasn't he simply saying that he has seen players with similar talent at that age before, and they went on to be great. That doesn't count as a comparison does it, more just looking at evidence for encouragement.
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At 16:29 10th Feb 2011, steven wrote:Wilshere's emergence bodes well for the GB Olympic team too. Given three over 23's are allowed, the following would look pretty good to me (might even win it):
Hart
Kelly, Richards, Smalling, Gibbs
Walcott, Wilshere, Gerrard/Lampard, Bale (if Wales let him play)
Carroll, Rooney (if back in form)
subs McEachran, Albrighton, Rodwell, Henderson, Delfounso / Wellbeck /Sturridge
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At 16:30 10th Feb 2011, BoredAtWork wrote:Oh dear, that's it for Jack Wilshere.
As an Arsenal supporter I want him to succeed without a doubt, however the amount of pressure placed on the boy is unbelievable. His first start for England and he has his own blog about how he's played. Whether he looks at this has he now not been given pressure in the second match he plays? If he fails to play as well as this he's going to be compared to this game. Let the boy play, if he wants the role he'll play his heart out and fill it, don't expect him to fill it that can be his only downfall.
And I would also like to hear some comments from the other players, I think Walcott had a good game, Rooney; unchanged really, what do others think?
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At 16:30 10th Feb 2011, tomefccam wrote:England must adapt to the modern game - Rooney is our most talented player and must have a free role. There is no need for Wingers in the modern game, football is not about flooding the box with crosses anymore, so the supply is no longer needed from out wide
In Ashley Cole we have by far and a way the best full back in world football - as much as I dislike this character he is truly one of the greates players this country has ever produced and we are damned the day we have to replace him
Cahill is our footballing centre back, he needs to be paired with one other.
Rodwell and Wilshere are so sure of touch and intricacy that they need to form our midfield for the next 10 years.
Gerrard still ahs to be the fulcrum of our team. He has equal strengths in attacking and defensive ability. Just play him as the centre midfielder he is.
Lampard is too old, even in his peak he formed part of a very static and slow moving midfield. Amazing for Chelsea, but never adept to the international scene.
Hart has the ingredients. Mistakes or not, have faith, stick with him and give him the experience to sure up his all round game.
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At 16:34 10th Feb 2011, Your own cow wrote:I think if I am going to be pedantic it is probably most accurate to represent the way England played a 4-1-4-1 formation in the first-half with Wilshire and Lampard taking turns in the defensive duties, but with both frequently being left exposed. In the second half, it seemed to be a 4-2-3-1. I think there was a palpable difference between the two approaches, with England controlling the game much more in the second half, whilst not being quite so impressive going forward.
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At 16:53 10th Feb 2011, The Trawler wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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At 16:54 10th Feb 2011, kenny_burns_kneecap wrote:4-4-2,
4-3-2-1
Yawn
The reason we will not win a thing is because our players aren't good enough. Hasn't anyone realised?
The likes of Lampard and Barry are too static. The likes of Walcott and Johnson can't really play. Dawson falls into both categories. Gerrard and Rooney world class international performers? Don't make me laugh.
So yup, let's not put too much pressure on them. I'm not, 'cause I think they're mediocre and over-hyped, and I know they will win not a thing.
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At 17:02 10th Feb 2011, MusicGuy139 wrote:Alex Song does not sit back and hold for Arsenal, Fabregas, Wilshere and Song rotate their positions throughout the match between AM, CM, and DM. Wilshere is most definitely not an out and out DM and for Capello to try and play him their just proves how tactically inept he is.
You could see the young Dane Eriksen(?) having a field day in front of the back four. When we start getting the Kaka's, Messi's, Xavi's and Ozils playing around there were gonna be leaking goals like nothing.
Capello needs to realise that 442 is not going to work against the top sides and that he need to revert to a 4231 or 433 and put Wilshere in a CM role with a DM behind him.
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Comment number 28.
At 17:31 10th Feb 2011, Dave_moo wrote:I think what the second diagram shows, is Wilshere, and England in general spent far too much time passing sideways in the first half. Clearly his accuracy was good, but you're not going to break teams down unless you can play incisive forward passes into tight areas. The first half formation looked like quite a rigid 4-4-1-1 rather than 4-2-3-1, and I thought Lampard and Wilshere looked a little lost, and somewhat overran as deep central midfielders.
I thought the performance was much improved in the second half, with much greater fluency. Although the new personnel were not better players, they were a better fit, as Barry and Parker were far more comfortable in their roles, and Denmark couldn't pass through them, like they did with ease in the first half.
I think 4-2-3-1 is the way to go, but England need to play at least one genuine holding midfielder. I don't think Wilshere satisfies that criteria, despite his obvious technical ability. Barry was much better last night than in recent showings, Parker was solid, and I feel would always make a reliable contribution. Carrick has really struggled for form over the last two seasons, so is likely down the pecking order. Huddlestone is very talented, but may not be mobile enough. Rodwell would be the greatest hope for the future, as he looks a very natural footballer. Also, Cattermole would be in contention if he curbed his ill discipline.
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At 17:32 10th Feb 2011, jack leroy halford wrote:Parker and Wilshere every time with Gerrard and Laapard fighting for the other midfield spot!
I am sick of the commentators saying who should partner Rooney when he is NO better than the rest that played last night.
Rooney should fight for his place as do the other players.
I am sick of one man team Rooney!!
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At 17:37 10th Feb 2011, kurtcobain wrote:This England performance definitely suggested to me that we can improve in the futrue with the plethora of young talent coming through the ranks at various clubs, and i would say that although he put in a low key performance, Wilshere could become the mainstay of this england side for many years to come
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At 17:41 10th Feb 2011, gunnerslovver2007 wrote:True wat someone pointed out, Capello's England has rarely ever played a 442 as soon as Gerrard was out on the left it became the lopsided 442/4231 which Arsenal played for years with Pires on the right and Bergkamp dropping deep. The main problem for England against the best being that the CF's were never good enough, Heskey without goal threat, defoe too puny to play as a proper CF (hence Spuds problem's this season now they've gone 4231 with VdV). Fact is Darren Bent can do that CF role and could easily provide good back up to the man who showed last season that he could excel their with 38 goals, Wayne Rooney. Think the problem is after Capello saw how effectiv Rooney was for him at first in the deeper position he did want to throw the dice and change things, even when last season Rooney played at CF for ManU the entire time, now though he's withdrawn for his club again so it's hard to say where to put him, though i'd imagine it's best if you play him similarly for country as he does for club as he is without doubt the main man for now.
On another note Walcott's being having an absolutely cracking season for Arsenal and showed again last night just how effective he can be. Far as I'm concerned he's matched Bale so far this season and he's recieved very little recognition for it.
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At 17:54 10th Feb 2011, ManCitini wrote:Don't forget about Adam Johnson
When he's back to fitness and form we'll look even better
Granted he is a bit more of a super-sub these days.
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Comment number 33.
At 18:04 10th Feb 2011, United Dreamer wrote:Comparisons to Makalele. Brave man, that Capello or just another that underestimates humungously the talents of the Frenchman?
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Comment number 34.
At 18:07 10th Feb 2011, Marantz wrote:Last night was surely the death-knell for Saint Steven of Gerrard? We ALWAYS look so much better, assured, controlled and consistent when he doesn't play.
The trouble with Gerrard is that he isn't talented enough to build the team around i.e like a Maradona or Zidane. And he isn't disciplined enough to play a central midfield role, nor is he a natural wide player to justify sticking him on the left. Truly, there is no place for him nowadays.
Heck, Spain dumped Raul. Incredible for Madrid but somehow Spain just didn't quite tick with him playing. So if Spain can do it, we can sure do it with Gerrard - afterall, a far less talented player than Raul.
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At 18:10 10th Feb 2011, United Dreamer wrote:"8. At 3:30pm on 10 Feb 2011, shakySpursforthecup wrote:
hyphen86: "please lets not put too much pressure on these boys. It killed the Golden Generation"
- Well, kind of. I think a better analysis would be that we just didn't have the players to compliment the likes of Gerrard, Lampard and Owen to achieve more success. Mills, Sinclair, Dyer, and Heskey all played in the QF against Brazil in 2002. That's a lot of dead wood when you are trying to win a major tournament...
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Hmmm - Paul Scholes is better than the "golden" generation identified here. The real problem was an inability to play Gerrard in his ideal position or play Scholes centrally.
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At 18:33 10th Feb 2011, United Dreamer wrote:"I wouldn't say he was playing as a holding midfielder, more a normal midfielder," former England boss Graham Taylor told BBC Radio 5 live. "He defended when he had to and got forward when that was possible."
Loved that comment. Hilarious and true. In a way I think it does describe Makalele but I don't know any other player who could plays that role anywhere near as competently or as rigourously. Hamann and Scholes (for the last couple of seasons on occasion) but really only Makalele played the role with the discipline that warrants the label.
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At 18:38 10th Feb 2011, confiseur wrote:I have heard and seen it all before.. What all this means is that England now have the potential to be slghtly better than pathetic....hallelujah...oh, and to all the numptys who think Rooney, Lampard, Gerard et al are 'great' players have a look at there performances in the last 2-3 world cups/european championships. The only thing vaguely 'world class' about these clowns are there ability to negotiate mega-bucks contracts.
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Comment number 38.
At 18:39 10th Feb 2011, Top Top Drawer wrote:The problem with a 4231, although I would prefer the formation, is how we fit the players into the team. I think Rooney is best just of the centre forward (with say Bent or Defoe ahead of him), but then Gerrard has to play wide or deep. And that's with Lampard out of the picture as well.
My XI:
Hart;
Johnson (Although as soon as a decent right back comes in lets get them in the team)
Terry
Ferdinand (If not fit and firing Dawson)
Cole;
Barry/Parker/Lampard
Wilshere;
Walcott
Gerrard
Adam Johnson/Milner;
Rooney.
There are flaws with this but if we don't want to get exposed in defence this is the best strategy in my opinion. What about Martin Kelly at right back?
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Comment number 39.
At 18:43 10th Feb 2011, OddRiverOakWizards wrote:What is going on with all this Wilshere eulogisation. Can the media come up with no fresh ideas of their own, the media has begun their Wilshere watch campaign... Yes, he is a good player and is learning a lot alongside Fabregas, however the media have now turned the spotlight on him to dazzling proportions. Everything is about Wilshere, the media will build him up, just like they did with Rooney and he will inevitably crumble under the ridiculous expectations already heaped upon his shoulders.
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At 18:47 10th Feb 2011, DieHardGooner wrote:Possible England team for the Qualifiers:
Hart
Walker Ferdinand Cahill Cole
Parker Wilshere
Walcott Young/Gerrard Albrighton
Rooney
England must adapt to the modern game - Spain won the world cup playing 4-2-3-1. Football has changed, your team needs to be technically superior than the other. It's not about flooding the box with crosses anymore, so there is no need to play an orthodox 4-4-2.
Cahill is our footballing centre back, he needs to be paired with our best centre-back - based on club performances this season I'm going with Rio Ferdinand. Hopefully he can produce a great partnership with Cahill.
Rodwell and Wilshere are so sure of touch and need to form the base of our midfield for the next 10 years - Rodwell should replace Parker in time for the Euros.
Lampard is past his best - the reason our national team has been so poor. Amazing for Chelsea when on form but has never really produced for his country.
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At 18:50 10th Feb 2011, Mr Chelsea wrote:37. At 6:38pm on 10 Feb 2011, confiseur wrote:
I have heard and seen it all before.. What all this means is that England now have the potential to be slghtly better than pathetic....hallelujah...oh, and to all the numptys who think Rooney, Lampard, Gerard et al are 'great' players have a look at there performances in the last 2-3 world cups/european championships. The only thing vaguely 'world class' about these clowns are there ability to negotiate mega-bucks contracts.
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Yeah. They are good players. Not great and not world class.
Its the media in this country which just keeps shoving down our throats that all these players are great and the premier league is the best in the world etc etc
If its shoved down our throats so much, we'll tend to believe it right?
Media has made the majority of football fans lazy and we're unable to think for ourselves now.
Look at last year. Rooney was being put in the same bracket as Ronaldo Messi.. Isnt that embrassing. Just makes you cringe..
Rooney is a good player but those two are are miles ahead of him. Miles
You get prats like Robbie Savage on radio saying Rooney is as good as Messi & Ronaldo .
ARGH Rant over.
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At 19:17 10th Feb 2011, supergunner07 wrote:10. At 3:42pm on 10 Feb 2011, Chad wrote:
New England team has to be:
Hart
Johnson, Terry, Dawson, Cole
Parker
Walcott, Wilshire, Young,
Gerrard
Rooney
Bent is just not international class, just as Crouch wasn't. Neither will ever score many goals against the top sides. I'd prefer Defoe as reserve instead of those two, probably the best finisher we've got.
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Playing Rooney as a False 9 and Gerrard behind him [4231] will get the best out of the players on the flanks, as they can move into the space left by Rooney.
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At 19:59 10th Feb 2011, Keane prods the giant wrote:English players are not suited to international football. International football is MUCH slower than the PL. International football requires players who are very comfortable on the ball and particulaly moving with the ball. Players like Iniesta, Xavi, Modric, Forlan etc. Notice how i haven't mentioned Walcott, Young etc - those two would probably be considered by some as being good moving with the ball. They must be good moving with the ball based on talent, not pace (pace is, for the most part, neutralised in international football). Moving with the ball has to be coorinated, controlling the ball in the correct manner. Xavi, iniesta, modric etc would not be considered good at dribbling by most. These players are the absolute best in the business at beating ONE man because they are MASSIVELY talented. They are not known as good at dribbling becase they do not have the pace or strength to go on long, mazy runs covering a lot of ground. On very, very rare occasions things will fall right for a player like Young or Walcott and they will beat a few players at once and take the ball 40-50 yards, but over the course of a game, or the course of many games, their lack of talent prevents England from being an actual good team. Players so good at beating a man, like Xavi, iniesta, modric etc simply can't be pressured. Run at this standard of player and they'll just step away from you as if you're not there. This kind of player can utilise space - if there's 20 yards ahead of them, they can take the ball right forward until they are very close to the opposition safe in the knowledge that if an opposition player moves at them they have the ability to beat him all-ends-up. Lampard is the greatest example of being the opposite of an international player. He's the anti-Xavi or anti-Iniesta. The skills required couldn't be found in a lower quantity than that found in Lampard, he's monsterously poor at moving with the ball. We need an absolute revolution in our football ethos if we're to become a good international team. Wiltshire seems to be a step in the right direction, but i don't see the talent in him close to Xavi, Fabregas, Iniesta standard. Then again, which nation can compare to Spain?
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At 20:16 10th Feb 2011, Ichi_1 wrote:To the people who think that formations dotn make much of a difference, WHAT SPORT ARE YOU WATCHING? It makes all the difference in the world. Were Inter as great as Barca? NO. Who came out on top though? That was mainly down to spot on tactics from Jose. If Inter had played a 442 they wouldve been murdered.
442 is massively outdated. Its either 433 or 4231 that should be used from now. The subtle differences are critical and the top level. Wilshere and Lampard are not defensive midfielders. Put a top attacking midfielder like Iniesta or Oezil against them and we concede big. They just dont have the defensive attributes to counter those threats. Scott Parker does however. You make the most of a team by playing people in the roles they are bets at. Wilshere is a creative midfielder. This means you want him going forward as much as possible and not worrying about covering at the back. If you have a holding midfielder sitting behind him like we do (Song), then it frees him up to express himself. This way you get the best out of the entire midfield. The holding player can defend and the attacking players can attack. Is it really that difficult to understand? Yes us playing a different formation doesnt mean we are all of a sudden going to win the World Cup but it does mean well be getting the best out of our team and surely that is what we all want.
The fact a lot of so called football fans cant see this kind of obvious stuff is reall quite worrying
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At 20:19 10th Feb 2011, shirtnumber12 wrote:"He saw far less of the ball than he would expect to when playing for Arsenal and made most of his passes further up the pitch. But he was still as assured in possession, successful with 27 out of 29 passes on Wednesday, compared, for example, with 40 out of 49 in Saturday's 4-4 Premier League draw with Newcastle."
- Was it taken into account that he only played 45 mins for England compared with 90 for Arsenal?
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At 20:20 10th Feb 2011, Evil_Dave83 wrote:England played 4-2-3-1 in Denmark. And they played it well. Effective going forward - clearly more threatening than the Danes for all Romedahl's pace and Erikson's vision. And we did well to absorb attacks, getting back quickly when we lost the ball, keeping shape and pressing the Danes out from our own half. If England won the ball at the back they generally played it out. They played like a progressive team in the making, not idiots reliant on one diagonal ball.
The more Wilshere and Lampard play together the better they will be as a unit, alternating attacking and defensive midfield play. They showed signs of a partnership last night and should continue as a pair, with Scott Parker and Gareth Barry as defensively minded replacements. In the mid-term we need a replacement for Lampard, who is solid and disciplined for England but neither influential in attack nor resolute in defense. Wilshere will probably become at least one of those things, England need another midfielder tactically intelligent midfielder who is similarly gifted.
At the back fit Terry and Ferdinand plus focussed Cole and Johnson would be a top defense. But that seems like an impossible dream. Its our best hope, although at least Dawson seems a solid 3rd choice CB and we may finally have a good young right back. Johnson is the weakest link.
Up front Bent may be what we need - he stretched play and took up goal scoring opportunities. England need a finisher and he can also hold the ball up. Carroll will hopefully eventually fill this role. This leaves Rooney and Gerard fighting for attacking midfield/support striker, with Rooney no. 1 choice.
The next few matches will see the new England squad settle, and I think the future's bright.
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At 20:23 10th Feb 2011, TheSeventhDoctor wrote:My preferred future England line up:
Hart
Kelly--Cahill--Jones--Gibbs
Rodwell--??
Albrighton--Wilshere--Mceachran
Carroll
and I r
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At 20:25 10th Feb 2011, TheSeventhDoctor wrote:oops.
so, the subs will involve Welbeck, and some others.
the only problem is the other holding mid, any ideas?
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At 20:26 10th Feb 2011, United Dreamer wrote:The reason Xavi and Iniesta (and indeed Fabregas and Pique) are such talented players is because as youngsters they were taught to play in support of the team rather than encouraged to be the star of the show. As such they learn the importance of moving and passing as a team and being patient that technique will bear dividents - and in doing so they develop their ability to quickly control and release the ball only and develop dribbling skills to make space for themselves that end. It is by concentrating on these skills rather than everything else (dribbling past 5 players or hitting pile drivers or making spectacular tackles or heading) that they become technically strong in the RIGHT areas.
Scholes has absolutely those same attributes and is one of few English players to display them in recent years. Unfortunately our scouts and coaches only seem to be on the look out for the spectacular maybe because of the frenetic pace of football at the top level and fatally at youth level. As a result pace and strength stand out and technical ability in general needs to be picked up later.
We should be playing under 14 players in 8 a side matches on full sized pitches to counter this culture so that the more skilful players are not muscled out of the game and out of a scout's focus. Then the right players with the right skills and approach to the game will end up at the academies. They will also see and fully understand the importance of movement and quick passing at an early enough age to improve the game in this country.
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At 21:39 10th Feb 2011, Brum Blue Boy wrote:All the successful sides have a Wilshire type player, but they also have a midfield "destroyer" alongside them e.g. a Gattuso for every Pirlo, Deschamp / Makelele for every Zidane or a deJong for every Sneijder.
I would have liked to have seen Wilshire in a 4-2-3-1 with Parker and Wilshire as the "2" - Giving Wilshire the chance to make the most of his abilities, whilst at the same time Parker playing his natural game.
I'd like to see the following team playing against Wales in a (4-2-3-1):
Hart
Johnson Ferdinand Terry Cole
Parker Wilshire
A.Johnson Gerrard Rooney (rotating in the "3" attack roles as they do in EPL)
Carroll (or Bent)
Back ups
Green
Richards Jagielka Cahill Gibbs
Lampard Barry
Walcott Young Downing
Bent (or Carroll)
What does everyone else think???
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At 21:48 10th Feb 2011, Brum Blue Boy wrote:Actually scrap either Downing & Lampard and stick Milner & Rodwell as the replacements!
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At 00:05 11th Feb 2011, Kalito2002 wrote:Good product, Good thinking, Good playing
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At 00:07 11th Feb 2011, relegationbattle wrote:Why are we so surprised that England arn't that good ? take a look at this article
https://expertscolumn.com/content/ego-has-landed
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At 06:38 11th Feb 2011, jay842 wrote:Wait til you lot see Josh McEachran.....
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At 08:31 11th Feb 2011, DontTrustTheGovernment wrote:England are like a mediocre mid-table premier league side. Dull and uninspiring most of the time but capable of of producing a good performance/result no and then. We are not good enough to compete at the top level. We have a system in this country that stifles talent, a manager who seems confused and too many hyped-up players that do not compare well to the truly world class international stars. Against a better side than Denmark would have taken us to the cleaners in the first half. Wilshire for all his talents is not a defensive mid fielder so why play him in that role. Rooney is all reputation and little else. Lampard and Gerrard have never really done it at International level. Barry just makes me laugh and how Glen Johnson earns a living at playing football is beyond me (Im a Liverpool fan). We have a long ways to go before we can even think of being up there with the big boys of international football. So forget tactics at the moment, we need a complete sea change in the way football is run in this country, pity it will never happen.
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At 08:34 11th Feb 2011, DontTrustTheGovernment wrote:53. At 00:07am on 11 Feb 2011, relegationbattle wrote:
Why are we so surprised that England arn't that good ? take a look at this article
https://expertscolumn.com/content/ego-has-landed
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Sums it all up brilliantly!
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At 09:40 11th Feb 2011, U14781767 wrote:All this user's posts have been removed.Why?
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At 12:05 11th Feb 2011, blademaster20 wrote:21. At 4:29pm on 10 Feb 2011, steven wrote:
Wilshere's emergence bodes well for the GB Olympic team too. Given three over 23's are allowed, the following would look pretty good to me (might even win it):
Hart
Kelly, Richards, Smalling, Gibbs
Walcott, Wilshere, Gerrard/Lampard, Bale (if Wales let him play)
Carroll, Rooney (if back in form)
subs McEachran, Albrighton, Rodwell, Henderson, Delfounso / Wellbeck /Sturridge
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So your GB team would be English plus Bale? Pathetic. What makes you think they could win the Olympics anyway with the same rubbish Gerrard/Lampard combination. I'm a United fan but Rooney has been off form this year and doesn't deserve a place in the team. Give young British players a chance. Evans has also been off form but I can see him making the team. Except for Bale you haven't mentioned a single non-english player.
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At 12:06 11th Feb 2011, kafkafil wrote:If every team in the world starts playing 4-2-3-1 then god help us. Not everyone has Messi. The number of defensive midfielders doubles, the number of strikers halves. There are 14 defenders, including goalkeepers, on the pitch. Who wants to pay to watch more De Jongs and Mascheranos? We'll see many many more dull dull games of the type we had with City-United this season.
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At 12:29 11th Feb 2011, elchupe1 wrote:It was just a friendly.
A win is a win, friendlies don't show anywhere near to the standard of football that a team is capable of. I mean, under Sven, England lost 3-1 to Australia in a friendly and no one really cared, barely made it to the World Cup (even that wasn't Sven's fault really), but got beaten by a moment of genius by the once great Ronaldinho.
Under McClaren, well, no one wants to talk about that now really do they! So why be shocked that the team performed so poorly on the big stage last summer? A team doesn't win a World Cup after missing out on even playing in the European!
Under Capello, the ship was steadied, and unlike McClaren, he helped the team STORM to the World Cup, but the players did not perform. Its called stage shock.
Lets all stop thinking about winning a World Cup or European Cup now, and focus on the fact that it was a friendly, nothing more.
Did anybody actually see any other results on Wednesday?
Iran 1-0 Russia
Luxembourg 2-1 Slovakia
Malta 0-0 Switzerland
Some big upsets there wouldn't you think?
If they were competitive matches, those results would have been severely different.
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At 13:55 11th Feb 2011, Elleo wrote:Nearly all these teams being suggested have Rooney in. Why??
What gives him the right to be automatically in the team? certainly not his England scoring record or his form for his club.
This is Englands problem, "we have to have him in the team because he was great 2 years ago". Exactly what happened with Owen.
Frustrates me....
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At 14:35 11th Feb 2011, J007eY wrote:Why do we need a left winger? I don't think crosses are going to be a big part of our game going forward. Why not put Rooney or young in that role instead? Not sure what position to label the role with, but Cole loves to bomb forward and put in a cross, and he linked up well with Rooney in that area of the pitch on Wednesday. My lineup would then be something like (a sort of rotated 4-2-3-1)
Hart
Johnson Rio Terry Cole
Parker
Wilshere
Walcott
Lampard/Gerrard
Rooney/Young
Bent/Defoe
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At 14:42 11th Feb 2011, Bcfc4life wrote:Man for man England have one of the best international teams in the world. It's just no one has been able to swollow their pride and leave out the big names who arnt performing (eg.) Rooney. Bent may not be a world class striker but he scores goals and he showed his strikers instinct against Denmark getting on the end of walcotts cross. If that were Rooney he'd still be just over the halfway line waiting to play a 5 yard pass back to frank lampard, therfore killing any momentum Englands attacks had.I'd also like to see Defoe, and Bent play beside each other. Or even Ashley young. Milner looked terrible against Denmark, when johnsons fit he should replace him or Lennon should replace him.
Anyway heres my XI. ( altenative players)
Hart
Johnson Terry Cahill Cole
Parker( lampard, Barry)
Wilshere Gerrard
Walcott( young, Johnson)Lennon( abonglahor)
Bent( Defoe, Rooney, Carrol)
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At 14:43 11th Feb 2011, gooner8 wrote:The thing is though, the big clubs dont play 4-2-3-1, its more of a 4-3-3 or 4-1-2-3 only jose murinho's inter milan successfully carried out the formation with the 2 holding midfielders on the club scene and then alot of countries did it in the world cup, manchester city also play with 2 holding midfielders, but yeh at arsenal wilshire is free to roam around the pitch with fabregas, i watched the england match and they were so rigid, this shows that the 4-4-2 formation may not b outdated but very few clubs can pull it off as it leaves too much space in the middle of the park and their is too much reliance on the wingers and the strikers and because there ar not alot of proper wingers out there who hug the touch line it is very hard to force players to stay out wide. Also clubs especially arsenal and barcelona like to play with 3 in the middle due to the fact that they cant constantly interchange positions and move the ball faster and they usually play with the lone man up front and get bodies in and around him, this is why the big teams in particular choose the 4-3-3 formation because they dominate possession and can stretch the game when they need to or keep the ball and support the striker very well, if you play that formation and you don't have alot of possession then you just isolate the striker and unles u have a striker that can hold the ball up, chelsea are lucky as drogba torres and anelka can all do this.
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At 16:56 11th Feb 2011, EmeraldRam wrote:'A focussed Glen Johnson'- don't make me laugh! Donkey.
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At 17:35 11th Feb 2011, Auqakuh wrote:I was pleased when this blog started as I've long complained about the lack of focus on the tactical/technical side of the game in BBC Sport's coverage of football.
Sadly, this blog is turning out to be a major disappointment. What's all this talk of formations?
The formation as we once knew it is dead and has been for some time; it's only real purpose is in the defensive phase, where a certain rigidity of positioning is required to ensure proper marking. Now it's more about the system than the formation, with the system being the composition of varied player roles in the team.
442 and 443 are now largely indistinguishable from one another; 4321 and 4231 and so on and so forth are just lazy ways of attempting to describe the systems used. Nowadays the game is very much divided into phases, with different roles for players depending on the phase - defensive, transitional, attacking.
Can we have someone posting who understands tactical theory, please? Or at least take the leash off of the blog writer.
I assure you that football fans are often possessing of IQs above 60 and do not need everything dumbed down in the way the BBC does with the rest of its news coverage. Actually, we don't need any of the dumbing down, anywhere, but that's a whole other issue...
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At 06:42 12th Feb 2011, badger wrote:we need players who can play with fluidity and intelligence covering where necessary and making themselves available with the technical ability to take the ball in tight spaces and still make use of it
there are players coming through who are able to do this and surely we need to forget the likes of Lampard and Terry to build towards the future,
like the idea of Parker and Wilshire as a midfield combination rather than Lampard as an interim solution but there are players like Rodwell and McEachran also coming through, and players like Walcott are now starting to deliver at club and country level so lets give them the encouragement to play along with Cahill in central defence, players who are performing well week in week out playing in the same positions as they do at club level giving confidence
we seem to be poor at moving on and leaving players out who have had their chance and not done it like Lampard, Lennon seems to have been forgotten about along with Sean Wright Phillips which is good considering their under performance but need to do the same with some of the other older players.
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At 10:29 12th Feb 2011, confiseur wrote:Pride, passion, commitment and no little skill..Watch a real England team beat Italy and win or lose put the frighteners on the French.
Fat chance of that ever happening at football....much prefer rugby anyway.
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At 11:55 12th Feb 2011, Eboue Created Thy World In 7 Days wrote:You Spelt Lampard Wrong
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At 15:54 14th Feb 2011, iknowwhatilike wrote:I'm afraid the media are falling into the old trap of believing what they write and then overhyping it even more.
At the moment Wiltshire is still lots of potential and to present him as the finished article is a mistake.
He may well develop into the player the media think he already is but at the moment I don't get it.
What I see is a neat and tidy player who now and again produces moments of excellence.
Currently he has no pace or acceleration, can't tackle properly, can't head a ball and does not have an extensive rage of passing so stop overhyping him and let him develop - the last thing we need is for him to think he has made it.
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At 12:49 21st Feb 2011, Khub wrote:Wilshere is very promissing and HOPEFULLY will be a great ARSENAL AND ENGLAND player
COME ON WILSHERE
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At 13:17 25th Feb 2011, kohlibear wrote:the future is looking bright for the english. some brilliant passers of the ball are coming up in the form of rodwell, mccechran, wilshire. we have walcott, albrighton,young, johnson for wingers. the list of talent is endless, maybe under some correct guidance of a classy manager who does not play punt football we will succeed. maybe we shall finally move away from the outdated style of play. no top team plays 442 anymore, and until someone with an ounce of sense realises that we will keep failing. but these are all maybes, and as always i just see this generation falling through our fingertips an into the obscurity alongside the current crop.
On wilshire- he was unreal against barca, who are argueabley one of the greatest teams in history. all while he was a teenager. we cannot let that much talent just wither away
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At 18:36 1st Mar 2011, chris weatherall wrote:sorry mate, but zonal marking is way more in depth than this. i would say that wilshere is invaluable to england, as he is unselfish and passes very sensibly. take this from a guy with wise understanding like me and zonal marking. no arsenal bias involved. but to be honest arsenal pundits understand football more, just tell lee dixon and ian wright.
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