Thursday 22 July 2010

A shameful state

I do hope NN will cover the shameful decision today not to prosecute anyone following Mr Tomlinson's death during the G20 protests last year.

No-one seems to doubt that Mr Tomlinson was treated unlawfully by the police, yet no-one will be charged with anything, one reason being that it has taken sixteen months to come to this conclusion, a full year after the time limit for the most trivial charge possible, common assault, to be raised.

Would it have taken the CPS and the Met sixteen months to decide to prosecute Mr Tomlinson if he had acted unlawfully against the police?

The police become increasingly alienated from the public in their self-appointed role of Terminator-cum-Robocop, and small wonder.

If you want to know the time, ask a policeman - and risk getting batoned for your trouble.

Equally, it plays to the lack of public spirited action from Joe Public when confronted by a crime taking place; people think twice about helping and running the risk of prosecution by the bizzies.

Unlike France, Germany, Italy, Spain, even Turkey where I saw a middle aged woman break up a fight between young men by pouring her tea over them while her companion called the police who arrived in less than five minutes and lifted the brawlers; the police kissed the hands of the two ladies who were then applauded by the rest of us in the teashop, while the owner feted them with sweets and took photos of them which were to be published in the local news and, more relevantly, hung on the walls of the teashop with an explanation.

What's gone wrong with us?

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Griffin: "This event shows just how far this party has come in the last few years but I won't be at the Palace for myself or my family. No! I will be there to represent the patriots who made this possible; I'll be there for you."

Last year they did not want to embarrass the Queen and this year could not give a damn.

But then most BNP statements end up contradicting themselves.

On the EHRC ruling that non-racial membership was illegal and they must comply with the law : "We have been meaning to do it it for years". Followed by the EHRC is a "sniveling Quango" and they have, I believe, yet to comply.

As I have said many times they have not produced any scientific or "cultural" evidence to challenge the law because there is none of the former and of course culture is not dependent upon genes.

Other contradictions, lets see, on QT Griffin described his appearance as an early Xmas present and after said it was the worst thing that ever happened to him.

Griffin could not explain his youthful Holocaust denial on QT. He did not confirm it he just thought he was clever to not confirm it.

But of those that vote for the BNP its never clear what percentage are National Socialists and what percentage believe the BNP is "not a Nazi Party" but is "modern and progressive".

On Watts piece I wonder whether it is appropriate to touch on nuclear fusion as a potential way forward to energy security and a low-carbon economy?

I understand it is still on the horizon but given it may not be as dangerous or costly as current nuclear energy methods surely it may merit some contribution - though renewable investments are surely due a boost.

Will the governments proposed new National Citizenship Service be the 21st century " Corporate Nazi " equivalent of the Hitler Youth ?

I would hope Lord Carlile would tighten up any ambiguity about renditions and torture and so on as if you bypass the law and standard procedures then you effectively negate them.

So far as I know the case is still unproven that torture helps in any way at all and and gains may need to be counter-balanced by those who become radicalised or anti-state due to torture.

Take, apparently, the case Newsnight showed the other night of a man held under house arrest due to a statement he made in Jordan after torture.

Is that an efficient use of resources?

Personally I wouldn't mind if there an emergency "24" over ride where, for instance, if there was hard evidence of say a nuclear weapon on the loose then there could be a limited and temporary over-ride on laws and procedures.

But even then if people started getting gung ho and brutal when they did not normally would it produce results? Probably not but then the option would be there.

Dang on Griffin above (#3 I think) I forgot that I would have banned the Griffin from the Palace not because of security issues and overt self-promoting publicity but because, and I believe this is the case, they have not complied with the law on non-racial membership as the EHRC, rightly, have insisted.

Myself as a republican I would not have wanted to go - but I do respect the Royal family and in particular Harry for serving when he was a "bullet magnet".

Talking of the far right an interesting piece from Paul Mason that took in the fascist background of some of the financial institutions in Spain and the frightening implications for us if the dominoes start to fall too rapidly.

In the US the financial reform bill went through and improves their situation a lot, but many suggest we could still get future crashes.

I know zip about financial credit risk analysis but when you take into account the fact that the sovereign debt crisis could still be very serious are we any better at being proactive in seeing these crises coming and preventing them?

In other words in the credit crunch we had AAA rated instruments that proved to be worthless and nobody saw the crisis until it was upon us, and for some it tokk a few days more. Methods of risk analysis would have seemed to vary and been unreliable.

Have these methods improved?

Is it safe (as some posters on here may put it)?

DEMOCRACY...WORKING FOR YOU!

Q. How do you avoid being charged with accusations of commiting war crimes when visiting the UK?

A. Just get your pals in that country to get the locals to change it's laws!

'UK to change arrest warrant law'
https://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=182239

On the Carlile piece another indicator is not the law but pertinent to it and that is the current - or old - Prevent strategy, allegedly, that is/was used to forge links in the community to combat terrorism.

Apparentley it alienated Muslims who felt that they were being targeted not because they were Muslims - though everybody knows the extremists are not typical of the majority and al Qaeda and the Talibs overall kill far more Muslims than non-Muslims.

I understood that it had been extended to include far right extremists - there have been many would be bombers as with ex-BNP Lewington a while back and various Aryan Strike Force members recently - and in fact any extremist.

I applaud that as we have been treating far right bombers like moronic and eccentric old uncles and until recently have been far too lenient in sentences.

But there needs to be good links into the community as a whole.

Culture a dictionary says is "the way of life, especially the general customs and beliefs, of a particular group of people at a particular time".

Clearly there is no genetic component in the notion of culture and given there is greater genetic variation within a race than between races if there were considered to be such a component it would probably divide those of the same race, genetically.


Clearly there is no scientific evidence of significant genetic variation then the BNP would be in court yesterday with the EHRC over non-racial membership.
Therefore most sane people would recognise therefore that British culture is unaffected by racial components.

But for those that would believe there are significant racial differences, taking into account the greater genetic variability described above and endorsed by scientists, how do they define what that genetic paradigm is that would divide in all probability not just other races but those within the "indigenous" race?

Many of the responders that will inevitably trip along but regular readers will note many have endorsed the views of the old National Socialist poster jaded_jean who thought Hitler had some good policies. Others will be noted as people who tend to make vague and incomprehensible posts about the alleged "Jewish hegemony" using weighty evidence such as many bankers have Jewish names.

That tells you quite a lot.

On the genetic theme but on a totally different subject - using genetics to bring harmony to a troubled region - why does somebody not sponsor an analysis of Jewish and Palestinian mitochondrial DNA to see whether in fact science shows very distinct groupings or more probably a common history given they have both very likely inhabited the same land for a very long time.

Are they really inherently enemies or perhaps warring brothers that need to be brought to their senses and to have their core assumptions challenged.

#11 thegangofonewrote:

'Many of the responders that will inevitably trip along but regular readers will note many have endorsed the views of the old National Socialist poster jaded_jean who thought Hitler had some good policies. Others will be noted as people who tend to make vague and incomprehensible posts about the alleged "Jewish hegemony" using weighty evidence such as many bankers have Jewish names.

That tells you quite a lot.'

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It certainly does!

sorry but anything with Lord Carlile on it...I run the opp way...

Gang of one -

Can you tell the difference between a Poodle, a Labrador and a Great Dane? Alternatively, an orange, a lime and a lemon?

These are all breeds within a species.

Not all dogs are the same, nor are citrus fruits. They are genetically very similar, but there are differences non the less.

Those who assert that there are no differences between races (brought about by inbreeding in groups - see full title of Darwin's 'Origin of Species' - simply don't know enough biology.

To the moderator,

Would you please advise me why my post of 1.33pm broke the ‘house rules’.

6 2 8 weeks..rather pathetic

Manners maketh Man

A sum of our youff cant smell/spell/reed it.

HITler/her youff did some nasty things

cant recall any of them mugging/beating their own Mothers/Grandmothers
for A couple O P

National Service in other countries seem 2 work

we have some wonderfull kids hear,we have some who cant tie their own shoe laces

I do like A Salmond

Commpassion/Come Passion

some articles Dont DeServe any

come passion in some cases would be 1 or 2 in the back of the head

rabid dog etc

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WELL IF WE CAN'T NAB ZIPPY (#9)

Shall we give Bungle and George an exta drubbing?

This National Citizenship Service sounds confusing; at 16, young people will volunteer?

What's stopping them volunteering now?

Or will it be compulsory, like for example Germany. But there, the age is usually older, eg 18/19 and students have the option of military or civil/social service for two years.

I would favour the German system of compulsory service, with options on civil/social service or military service and starting at an older age of eighteen.

Two years later, people can migrate to work or further education or indeed sign on for a professional army career; whichever way, they will have experienced more of real life than they ever will do on Facebook .

Interesting to see if Smith has any more details or merely wings another smirky piece for which he has become (in)famous.

The Higgs-Boson Delusion

Can't we just make the existence of Higgs-Boson a matter of faith and save the dosh?

CHURCH OF THE INEFFABLE HIGGS-BOSON (#22)

Will aclolytes be termed 'Bosos'?

https://www.newpatriotjournal.com/Articles/Senate_Democrats_Abandon_Comprehensive_Climate_Bill

WHAT TO DO ABOUT DRINKING? ASKS OUR GOVERNMENT.

Does Westminster still have 19 bars? Everyone knows drink impairs the mind, yet our politicians, routinely, drive the country under the influence.

Let's see Westminster 'go dry', and have transparency about how many MPs can't function without alcohol. That would be a start.

It's simple rocket-fuel science: why drink rocket fuel?

https://www.examiner.com/x-35976-Conservative-Examiner%7Ey2010m7d20-Tea-Partiers-bloggers-being-silenced-across-the-Internet?cid=examiner-email

singie

the truth is...

you keep missing it, i.e. you keep getting it wrong, very wrong!!!!

It's the truth that matters. Abolishion of Westminster wouldn't work as the lies are not contained to the Parliament exclusively, including the NN bloggers.

26 OH Yes I love it

could cheque with A Kenn

BP = bye bye Partisan

where there's muck there's money

out of chaos comes money

give me the money Honey

BBC QT bob crow about this and crow about that

dear/expensive bob have you ever employed some one or 2

jumping threw hoops of fire

thanks 2 your versiON on events its eazy

try it

#22 kashibeyaz wrote:

“I would favour the German system of compulsory service, with options on civil/social service or military service and starting at an older age of eighteen.”

I’ve been recommending just that for ages, but it hasn’t received much support. I doubt that the LibDem component of the alliance would support making it compulsory, so it will probably remain just an option, with most youth opting to ignore it as ‘not cool man’ unless there is some built-in ‘incentive’ – such as removal of social benefits payments!

I’m still in touch with several of my National Service buddies, and we all admit how life-changing it was viewed retroactively, in terms of camaraderie and discipline.

One of my arguments in favour of compulsory National Service (civil/military) was that it might ‘flush out’ those who hold nothing but contempt and hatred for the society that has given them sanctuary and a better life. It would also provide a pool of disciplined and possibly trained ‘reservists’ that could enable our full-time services (civil and military) to be reduced. It would also provide (hopefully) useful employment on national and local projects at modest cost during the economic slowdown.

Even as a voluntary scheme, it will be interesting to see how closely the ethnicity of volunteers matches that of the population!
Let's hear it for Equality!

Oh dear! The Griffin gets barred from the garden party. How sad, never mind, another BNP MEP got in. He would be in good company. He may have had a chat with Phil The Greek.

A Prince Philip quote:

"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."

Someone has clearly forgotton to tell Phil The Greek that the problem of over population already has virusus and slow-kill out there to solve this problem: Aids, flouride, aspartame, Jack Straw and the BBC bias virus.

Gango might stay indoors trawling the net for his cut-n-paste Newsnight feedback column, but his other half - Peter Thatchell, professional protester - gets out and about doing what he does best. I think its about time gango got himself a gangophone and started getting on our streets and giving Peter some back-up...I'd certainly turn up to watch that performance....'yeah, er, i'll have popcorn and a coke please'

ED MILIBAND PULLS OFF THE DOUBLE

In the This Week studio, Limited Ed not only squewered himself on the spit, unaided, but then proceeded to bast himself while rotating over the heat of the grilling he got. Verily he IS LIMITED Ed.

hi all, haven't read any posts since my last posts, so this is into the dark, so to speak blogwise. Comments from tonight however:

on griffin:

seeing headlines "Griffin makes ass of himself when meeting Queen" has far less impact than "Griffin prevented from going to Queen's Party". Would have been much easier to let the idiot attend, and see how he behaved. WHY was he invited and then the invitation retracted, when the Palace must have known he would have use the invitation in the first place, and any later retractions, as a publicity 'enhancer'. On any sensible balance of behaviour, far better to have let him go, and made an inevitable fool of himself, than invite and then ban him. Seeing his undoubtedly cringworthy attitude to the Queen and any other royals/aristocrats, would have been instructive. Now he is a "poour wee martyre", surely not something the Palace was unaware of when they made the decision.

this was *purely* political, *every* other MP was invited, this isn't about Elizabeth looking through her personal guest list to invite people she actually likes, this is a State Occasion, and following strict protocol. To refuse to admit a member of Parliament because he "used it for self-promotion" is not only palpably completely hypocritical (as that is its exact purpose) it is not only signifying the Crown can amend *extremely* long-standing Political Traditions, it is preventing the Nation from seeing how Griffin behaves when in that situation. Which i, for one, would have found far more instructive than any amount of him bleating about being excluded tells me.


on QT: Ruth needs to go back and watch all the previous NewsNights on the Al Megrahi 'story'. All of her answers have already been answered by the Newsnight program, - a compilation source would be useful for easy access for such news searches through the NewsNight video/text archives.

on the interviews with the 5 potential leaders of the Labour Party on 'This Week', i shall go through them in order:

diane Abbott was the first to go, and was completely unaware what was coming. She was questioned about being focussed upon her constituency work, in reducing racism and increasing cooperation between communities, and being entirely unprepared for the 'attack', defended her record in seeking local harmony, and in reducing any institutional racism - in short, in working extremely hard for her constituents. She did not really believe she had a chance against the well-funded and controlled campaigns of the other 4 candidates, and had not made the transition form defending her constituents, to defending *everyone* in the Nation. But i admired her pluckiness under *very* unexpected fire.

and i think since then, she has moved her thinking from Constituency level, to National level. At least she stands up for those she represents, not something i noticed in most of the other candidates.


then (?) there was andy burnham, who out-slimed the other nuLabour candidates easily, without any effort at all. He was just puke-makingly foul, saying *anything* that the focus groups said was popular, and attempting to look sincere. A total nuLabour spokesman, who even defended Lord Mandelson and his political interfering very robustly. Bear in mind that Mandelson enjoys parties on yachts...


david milliband sat there and expected us all to swallow the BS that he, and the other members of the nuLabour Cabinet given security briefings, were entirely unaware of the torture going on, even though the FINALLY disclosed documents say exactly the opposite?? How are we supposed to believe in, let alone vote for, someone so patently deliberately dishonest? And then add in his staggering bad judgement in blaming Russia for the Ossetia Incident, when even NewsNight reporters interviewing the locals in Ossetia at the same time were discovering the opposite conclusions!

his record having 'power' is almost unremittingly bad, with far more concern to those he considers being 'powerful', than the majority UK population he should remember pay his expenses and expect him to behave on THEIR behalf.


then there was Balls.

here are all my personal comments from last thurs night (BBC10.00 news, QT, This Week, & NN):

"if Mandelson "didn't see the damage his book has done to Labour", he will surely see the damage that comes from an adulation from Francis Maude.

about moate: that some people can even manage to find in their hearts concern, and grief for even such a wounded soul as himself, is a notable sign of not only that some people are so badly treated by our society that they can feel empathy for Moate, but that some are so enlightened they can *also* feel sympathy.


but bercow was also right - he is *not a Hero*.



--burham sounds awesomely genuine, doesn't he? Yet HE was also arguing for cuts as well??!!


maude: WHY just the GPs???! [this was later covered by the QT audience, who, if such localisation goes ahead, would *strongly* prefer a locally managed and run trust, rather than a GP-private management consultant arrangement.]


burnham makes me puke.


kelvin mackensie on This Week - if he is disgusted at the sadness exhibited by some at the death of moate, then i assume he is also going to be equally upset at any out-flowering of grief at Thatchers final call? For the same reasons he gave about moate?

balls - balls balls balls, if you'd agreed that you had contempt for blair, the Public would have liked you. "

----

--and i stand by that. Balls spent the best part of his interview defending a Leader that he clearly disliked, disliked their policies, and the Public ALSO dislike the Leader's policies!?

he only proved by such dogged determinism, that given a good PM he could be an excellent Minister, but given a bad one he would be equally untrustworthy. And that he is a far better 'inspired follower' than a Leader - anyone with an ounce of common sense would have written off Blair immediately, for the benefit of their own careers. He did not even do that, even though he was opposed to Blair on so many areas, whereas the Millipede's and Burnham are all attempting to *exaggerate* their distance from the political decisions they agreed with at the time, making Blair/Brown a handy scapegoat when they completely agreed with the policies.

in other words, Balls is basically noble, but easily led, and doggedly loyal even when it is not in his own interest. A better cabinet minister of a truly decent Leader, than Leader himself. Although, after Diane Abbot, probably the best choice if Labour are going to rebuild as a viable political party.


then there was tonight's Ed Milliband - really, what is there to say about him?? His only commitments, like his brother and Burnham, are to whatever gives him "power". He has no moral values guiding him, and will change his argument at the drop of a hat. Opportunism is all very well at the bottom of the political chain, but its not really what any sensible person would want at the top. Just like his brother, and Burnham, his pronouncements from everything from cuts to Al Megrahi reveal only a quest for personal power, and a belief that they only need to say (apparently genuinely) what the focus groups inform them is popular with the voters and/or other powerful forces to win this Power from us, so they can screw us over whilst enriching their new friends.

Balls needs a decent PM to follow, the Millipede's and Burnham need to either join the Tories, Barclays, Tescos, FSB, Mossad or NSA, whichever they are more attracted to, or can get more money out of, and get out of UK Politics altogether. Abbott, the only MP loyal to her constituents, the only Labour candidate as opposed to nuLabour, the only candidate who has not stared into the camera and lied till they were blue-in-the-face - she is SO CLEARLY the only candidate that could revive Labour as a mass party, even if at first many traditional Labour voters are concerned. To be honest - there is absolutely NOTHING in it. The other four are so clearly the "more of the same" that took Labour from some of its highest polling EVER in the 90s, to a Party drained of members, funds, direction, honestly and electability.

it also has to be said - having a black, 'semi-media-hip' woman as the Labour Party Leader would give the Labour Party a much needed image boost, and she would also almost certainly require a wider base of agreement for policies amongst the PLP than any of the Meddlesome Clones. So not also would her convictions lead her to hand more power down into Parliament, rebuilding the respect of MPs of all parties, but circumstances would force that also.

to put it bluntly, i personally wouldn't trust Millipedes' or Burnham's words one tiny jot, Balls needs a noble Leader to be loyal to, and Abbott is too constituency focussed.

when you look at those flaws, which of them would you prefer to be PM? If you have a say in this Leadership Election, vote for the the one person who can *truly* make a break with the hideous "nuLabour" mistake.

Total re-evaluation though not going back
To any absurd from the past hack.
Whatever they're up to they definitely lack
I wish I was able to give them a whack.
They're wasting their time as well as mine.
They are nothing but simply old dirty swines,

BP 'BUYS' THE SILENCE OF SCIENTISTS?

Whatever next? Will the Green Giant buy their ill-founded utterances?

'ORDERS WILL BE OBEYED AT ALL TIMES WITHOUT QUESTION' (#33)

Yo IDG2! You will know that I hold the view we have now had a succession of barking leaders. The sort of thing such delusional megalomaniacs do, is declare a state of emergency (easy when the threat is notional and invisible) THEN PUT MILITARY AND PARA-MILITARY ON THE STREETS. The return trip is VERY difficult to achieve.

You, personally, appreciate the camaraderie of a 'welded unit' but what of the institutionalisation of the same? I know I can leave you to develop the scene objectively, so won't expand.

I have avoided all group activity - it does not suit me. That might mean I am biased. However, I can't help wondering if your 'group improvement' is only valid because we start from such a low base in terms of INDIVIDUAL competence and maturity.

I am 'at ease' and hoping you are going put up some cogent argument to pursuade me. (:o)

nuLabour wasn't good for our health

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7904294/Life-expectancy-gap-widest-since-Great-Depression.html

After all the millions thrown at the NHS it still failed.

I Love it

was I Crowing about bob last nite

I didna ken aboot His Twa Loons/His Two Boys/His Two of Him and Herself

Can I Knock Him..NO

I doth my cap/take my hat off/Saluting him now

Do I agree with Him.. NO/Smells like NO

Deemin/damian green

A big fat thankyou

I do like my Motoring Bike

thenks 2 u I can now Wander Anywhere with my Crash Helmet (germin or other wise up)

Sticking the Nut on Some Nut is So much easier

Glasgow Kiss I would suggest is from A little bit farther North


Bikers Take Note.

39 I Allways A obey All Orders Allways

there could B A porKEY there

HELL o whats this

A PARATroopin Friend of Ours informs US that there's A Sniff of..

PARAS n marines amalgaMATE

I dont think/Stink so

one come s from the see.C.sea (they cant see)

The other " Comes from the Air

and never the Twa/Twain shall Meat

save Money? geese a job Aye can do that.. lets have 1 mp per county and 1 lord per county..saved a few bobs there

fox about as much as u like/fox about with sum things and u could B foxed

easy init (brains)

'BRITISHNESS' IS BEING DEFINED, ALL AROUND US, AS PERVERSITY (#40)

We Brits are inclined to characterise other countries as dour, excitable etc. Well - it is becoming all too apparent that Britain - by virtue of her governance - is nationally (and internationally) PERVERSE. Shirley Bassey had a song for it.

Many before me, have pointed to the 'Sickness Service' that we call the NHS. That might sound accidental. But is it not true that we have a policy of LEAVING PEOPLE TO MAKE THEMSELVES ILL, AND THEN MAINTAINING THEM IN THEIR ILLNESS? Television - a cannula to the psyche - feeds poisonous 'norms' to all and sundry (termed 'entertainment') only breaking off to sell us what we neither need, should have, nor can afford. All this, our government does to gain tax-income which is then 'SPENT ON US' as largesse, much of it going into the 'Health Service'.

I don't think it gets much more PERVERSE than that. Killing Johnnie Foreigner, on a tenuous whim, is just a harmless pastime by comparison. And there's more.

Oh - it's all going awfully well.

I can't say I'm displeased that mousey didn't get a chance to 'express' his whatever at 4 am this morning. On the contrary.

mim

Why did you not run the Tomlinson story yesterday evening?

Watched/Listened 2 BBC ALBA last night

Dearest Winnie they are called LIMPit Mines

is that 1 REaSON for cabbage heads

don't drink the water fish and things have done things init

From Andrew Neil's blog

'It reported that over $3 billion had been openly (ie officially recorded) as having flown out of the country in the past three years, often in sums so large that it was piled on to pallets. Since Afghanistan's GDP is only $13 billion that means almost a quarter of it left the country in cash in three years, some of it aid money meant to help some of the poorest people in the world. Most of it went to Dubai, which means aid money has probably bought more million-pound condos there than it has built schools in Afghanistan.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/dailypolitics/andrewneil/

45 BeHalve/Behave your self

You'l Be Telling The Truth next

When I left my job as a medsec to Neurosurgeons at St George's in order to develop my ice skating, as it seemed to be going rather well, I was not only accused of being mad but also another skater, a man in his seventies, I think, told me with a 'funny' tone that as I hadn't make a mark in the world by that time, I was unlikely to make any mark at all.

I just thought of telling the readers of these pages, whoever they might be, this anecdote.

mim

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I Cant Skate..(no such word)

I have eaten one or 2..mIm

#47

The whitewashing of the police manslaughter charge over the death of Ian Tomlinson is a double tragedy for the Tomlinson family.

Small wonder that the likes of Raoul Moat received so much public sympathy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10723274

This is a case of the oligarch controlled state flexing its muscles to show the Lumpenproletariat who's boss.

#51

'I just thought of telling the readers of these pages, whoever they might be, this anecdote.'

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Why?

Living the dream

Britishness; nobody has yet described or defined what this amounts to, either on this blog or elsewhere and that is part of this country's problem, coupled with its metaphorical insularity.

Tolerance - live and let live? Yet for over three centuries part of this country has been involved in a violent civil war in all but name.

#33; and let's not be beastly to the Germans; compulsory civil/national service has not led them to attack any country, indeed they are still so conscious of WW2 that they are reluctant to participate in fracas like Afghanistan.

The insularity of this country, in the metaphorical sense, I find staggering; the "not invented here" attitude to "Johnny Foreigner"'s strange ways and ideas has led the country to be nothing more than a Rudyard Kipling theme park.

And as for 1940 and all that; the catalogue of Nazi errors surrounding the Battle of Britain's conduct is well documented as is Hitler's disinterest in actually invading UK.

Let's just get real about ourselves and move on and develop from there; the longer we delude ourselves about some mythical Golden Age that has somehow been lost, the more we'll pretend to be something we're not, the more we'll try to punch above our weight and fail.

There is a danger that persisting with this vague notion of British values of tolerance, fair play and live and let live will lead us into the predicament that the Netherlands now face; lethargy and a phlegmatic approach disguised as tolerance has now given way to, firstly, a realisation that all this "tolerance" has led them into a social/cultural dead end and secondly, a consequential conservative reaction and a lurch to the right.

A start of the recovery would be an attempt to assess objectively what Britishness is, warts and all, and get real about what kind of country we want to live in and build for our children. We certainly do not want our children or their children to continue striving to "live the dream" of UK La La Land.

#54 debtjuggler

"This is a case of the oligarch controlled state flexing its muscles to show the Lumpenproletariat who's boss."

Or goose steppers using any excuse to try and destabilize the democratic state?

For instance Moat shot a policeman in the face and most onjective observers would not see that as an act of the state flexing its muscles. He had already shot two people killing one.

But other great conspiracy theories include your usual Jewish hegemony fantasy, barriesingletons "the 9/11 third tower was demolished", the old jaded_jean "the Holocaust was made up" routine and of course the various and constant racial "realism" refrains devoid of any science or genuine knowledge of culture.

Just never ask for evidence or you get the nonsense about conscience and "you can't prove these things".

Yes you can actually as you could cite your evidence of who the oligarchs are specifically and how they control the state.

#56 kashibeyaz

"And as for 1940 and all that; the catalogue of Nazi errors surrounding the Battle of Britain's conduct is well documented as is Hitler's disinterest in actually invading UK."

Actually I have to disagree with that as his disinterest may have revolved around the fact that they could not get armour across the channel, would have taken very heavy losses getting to London and probably would not have been able to hold it.

His planes were not strafing the troops at Dunkirk for fun and he ended up invading friend and foe alike regardless of treaty so Italy became a puppet state and Russia was cynically invaded.

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#34 kevseywevsey

"Oh dear! The Griffin gets barred from the garden party. How sad, never mind, another BNP MEP got in."

I thought you people always liked to pretend to NOT be the BNP and to pretend you were just Joe Public.

"Gango might stay indoors trawling the net for his cut-n-paste Newsnight feedback column, but his other half - Peter Thatchell, professional protester - gets out and about doing what he does best."

I admire Tatchell and his comment about Griffin being a gutless coward over his stance on the victims of the ex-BNP man who blew up a London gay pub as "disgusting creatures" does rather conflict with his victim posture enduring the hate of others.

Myself I tend to think you don't want to give these people publicity you just want to expose them for what they are.

What percentage of the BNP vote really knows what they are about and has any political party in history been as vague about its guiding principles.

But Tatchell is right as they are gutless - if they really are democratic Nationalists then they should reject absolutely the tenets of national Socialism and purge the party.

If in fact are in fact National Socialists then clearly they they have no integrity on any level as they won't admit it.

They are just empty vessels.

#33 indignantindegene

"Even as a voluntary scheme, it will be interesting to see how closely the ethnicity of volunteers matches that of the population!"

Remember that you are not a racist and there is no basis in science for racism.

Culture has no racial element as a person of the same race as me could have been brought up in a different part of the world and hold entirely different cultural values whilst a person of a different race could have been brought up here and hold exactly the same values.

In other words you views are without merit on any level and I could not be bothered to point out the other day that when I said there is only a small percentage of the population who would fall for the views of your small "radical parties" I meant most have friends and relatives of race and education and so on.

In fact also UKIP whom you cite are not racists and would reject the BNP at the drop of a hat. The English Democrats have no history of association with BNP type views - the official or unofficial ones.

They are therefore far from a common grouping.

#34 kevseywevsey

"I think its about time gango got himself a gangophone and started getting on our streets and giving Peter some back-up...I'd certainly turn up to watch that performance....'yeah, er, i'll have popcorn and a coke please'"

Yerr you would be the guy telling everybody that you are stronger than Mike Tyson and about those rubber bullets in Belfast.

"Took one in the 'ead and it wuz the making of me - it opened whole new cultural horizons. I can say check and I can also say check mate by the way! I sit in my orgone energy accumulator with a picture of Nick Griffin".

I had you pegged more as the kind of "Nationalist" who would turn out for the English Defence League to be honest!?

Still you ARE the kind of intellectual the BNP is currently seeking out to replace the "successful" Griffin who is standing down as he has too much "baggage".

Like Holocaust Denial and a conviction for inciting racial hatred and leading the BNP into an impasse with the EHRC over non-racial membership.

I post a lot but then at least its not the far right posting nonsensical pseudo intellectual racial tosh and ... its free.

Palin is :
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also mad at the "hordes of Obama's opposition researchers-slash 'reporters'" that came to Alaska (to presumably do the "opposition research" and "reporting" that someone should have told Palin are mainstays in American politics), the McCain campaign ("To not have had the McCain campaign staff defend my record was an insurmountable challenge, because once a bell is rung, it's impossible to un-ring," Palin said), and CBS News for broadcasting an interview with Katie Couric that Palin says was "selectively edited." Palin says that all of these things fed her decision to quit her post as Alaska's governor."
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So what the hell happened to the dead fish going with the flow? She is now saying she would have been like the dead fish going with the flow if people didn't do research and ask her what papers she read and so on?

#64

why not?

It's a matter of getting closer to the truth, if yiu're really want to know, about the scam, as well as about those who've treated me with a heart, respect and a degree, at least, of recognition. I do not believe in 'negative reinforcement'.

Are you scared?

lord carlile [Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel]? funny how key uk appointments related to terrorism or middle east foreign policy have a connection to israel or to someone who buys into the war on terror narrative?

#45 barriesingelton

"Television - a cannula to the psyche - feeds poisonous 'norms' to all and sundry (termed 'entertainment') only breaking off to sell us what we neither need, should have, nor can afford."

Whereas you, inspired perhaps by your National Socialist pal jaded_jean, try to feed well balanced and objective norms about "differencism" in your case and race "realism" in the case of the latter.

Hmmm ....

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CORRECTION TO MY #52 ABOVE

Delete Andrew Duncan - Insert Alan Duncan. Piece then reads:

WE ARE LEADING THE WORLD

Alan Duncan's repeated words: "We are leading the world", on The Daily Politics, refer to aid.

How telling - they translate as "Britain is still playing GLOBOPOLY in style" (with tax-money, for the satisfaction of a few megalomaniac politicians).

At the Globopoly board, GDP, nukes held, aid sprayed, and military adventures, give you an advantage in THE GAME. Meanwhile our nation is rotting at the core - both physically and psychologically.

PERVERSITY R US.

'ECO LIZZY' DECODED. (#67)

Hey Gango! Have you realised that 'Eco Lizzy' is almost 'Echo Lizard'? An echo is 'the same only different' and a lizard is the base form of all David Icke's SHAPE SHIFTERS! She is a coded Shape Shifter (or should I use 'SS' for short?)

And you sensed it all along you shrewd Fone you. (Or are you one of them too - and playing a clever game to entrap me?)

'I feel so funky.'

mods, could you try an experiment - could you ban any of "gangofone's" posts that include the words "BNP", "National Socialism", and "Griffin"? It would make all the other readers enjoy the blog a whole lot more.

trafigura:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-10735255

undoubtedly NN's report helped this process tremendously, surely this is part of what rewards *real* Journalists for their blood, sweat and tears.

TRAFIGURA

Is polluting Johnnie Foreigner any more heinous than blasting him to oblivion, giving him disease, booze and a reservation to decay on, or bringing him civilisation?

What is all the fuss about? This is what makes Britain Great.

#72: no, this is what keeps a country weak.

by preying on others, instead of building them up to be competitors on a level playing field, prevents competition from working. The ultra-/wealthy not only give their children better diets, more intellectual stimulation, better education and easier access to backed credit for their careers, they also prevent those from less-well off backgrounds from the same thing. This prevents those children from facing a level competitive field, as impaired diets/education/finance lead to impaired growth, on all levels, prevents children from poorer backgrounds reaching their full potential.

this is genetic protectionism, and is opposed by Social Democratic (and also Adam Smith's Free Market Principles!) precepts, that are *every* child should have equal access to 'The Market' (ie **LIFE**), which means Society should take from the 'Already Havings', and provide opportunities for the 'Would Like As Wells'.

from a 'Free Market' perspective, this provides the best opportunity for Growth, as the Competition engendered by such 'Level Playing Field' social policies, would make Progress much faster - and to the benefit of ALL.


--the exact same is true of overseas - if we build up other countries local economies, through FairTrade using cooperatives at both ends, we enable development that will bring them into a phase where they are able to add to, and organise, modern social-Societies that will educate their own populations to a high standard, and create local economic growth. This will also necessarily improve their education, especially with access to the Net.

so, in answer to your probably ironic comment:

72. At 10:21pm on 23 Jul 2010, barriesingleton wrote: "Is polluting Johnnie Foreigner any more heinous than blasting him to oblivion, giving him disease, booze and a reservation to decay on, or bringing him civilisation?

What is all the fuss about? This is what makes Britain Great. "

i would answer in reply, whilst taking the tongue-in-cheek element fully into account, that it is those very same policies, applied equally to foreign Lands or our own, that has brought this Nation down. It is based upon ignorant Class policies, rather than common-sense policies of societal development.

what would make Britain truly Great again, would be the exact *opposite* of those polices.

TAKING THE ENIGMA OUT OF THE VARIATIONS (#73)

Coming up for 7 billion - and no two the same. Nature 'delivers' every variation on the theme of our DNA. Under extreme duress (cataclysm) variety is the seed of life - a few might survive.

By my reckoning (as posted before) regardless of the prevailing environment, most of us are, by design, less than adapted - a fair percentage seriously unsuited.

Confronted with the above, I am not sure there is a viable strategy beyond 'Grin and Bear it'. A level field defeats those with one short leg.

Yet more proof of Jewish hegemony via the clever employment of ad hominem.

Judge faces anti-Semitism probe after speech attacking Israel helps free arms factory protesters
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1297219/Judge-faces-anti-semitism-probe-speech-attacking-Israel-helps-free-arms-factory-protesters.html

which is supported by the following piece of research...
https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=182163

#74: 'Nature' provided us with more than genes - it has also provided us with memes. This means that we can learn new ideas, better ideas, more efficient ideas, and can improve our lot through that - and this is part and parcel of 'Evolution'.

currently, many of our young in the UK, at the poorer end of the scale, are *not* being given the right resources, educationally or structurally, to fully develop themselves into 'survival' - in an advanced society. What is worrying, is that they ARE being trained in how to survive if civil society collapses - and its 'Lord of the Flies' time.

one of the things that struck me from my time in Skandy, is how the school-children behave towards each other, the basic interpersonal skills the Society has promoted over there (as opposed to the skills that are promoted over here).

were a bunch of Danish children dropped on an island, the first thing they would be likely to do would be to form a group, work out what they need to do, work out who is best to do it, and then get on with it. An American or British group of kids would immediately get into a scrap about who was 'Leader' - who would then abuse and try to control the others.

they have achieved this (the Danes), through some very simple educational practices; i could list them, but you might find it boring. :)

what i am getting at, is that a species that in theory can learn, and can adapt its economic-social-political spheres, can change to a mode that trains people to survive in a range of environments, that is more focussed to cooperative problem-solving rather than competitive ego-slavery, - AND provides the necessary access to a decent life that reduces the anger and weary-hatred of the have-nots in our Society, that causes so much crime and social dysfunction.

Talk about giving transvestites a bad name...this sort of thing (of course) could only happen in a liberal democracy.

Transvestite had sex with a dog at English Heritage castle
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7902348/Transvestite-had-sex-with-a-dog-at-English-Heritage-castle.html

This story surely brings a whole new meaning to the phrase - going out dogging!

The comment by the English Heritage spokesman in the last line of the piece is priceless.

#75: the comments by that Judge could not POSSIBLY be "anti-Semitic" - as he was defending the Rights of a Semitic people, the Palestinians.

it is NOT "anti-Semitism" to criticise the policies of Israel towards its neighbours, any more than it is "anti-german" to criticise the behaviour of the Nazis during the 30s.

"the apparent paradox captures perfectly the nature of Israel’s ongoing dilemma. The peace versus security equation needs to be balanced on a daily basis; most overtures toward peace involve taking risks on security, and most clampdowns on security involve damaging prospects for peace. What Jews in Britain are saying – in much the same way as Israelis are saying – is that we want both."

in fact the solution to this "paradox" is extraordinarily simple - the SECURITY that Israel demands can ONLY come from PEACE with their neighbours, it is the behaviour of Israel itself that is causing the security issues.

the "security" that comes through stealing other's land, invading and bombing at will, and behaving like a psychopathic bully, cannot ever bring PEACE. It did not bring it to Rome, and it did not bring it to the Nazis. The problem is with the deliberately projected image of "Intolerant, Unstoppable Islam" - an image the Israelis have almost managed to create by simply constantly bombarding that image out as if it was Reality. It is largely false, although Israel's actions are bringing that about.

very soon Israel will be fully committed to that course, because they will have demonstrated that ISRAEL openly refuses to negotiate openly and honestly, that ISRAEL is the war-monger, that ISRAEL is the blockage to Peace, and that it is ISRAEL that requires sanctions upon.

in Reality, it is Israel's own actions that will eventually bring it down, because step-by-step, they will isolate themselves, and more and more people in other countries will realise that there is no morality in Israel's behaviour, and demand action.

Israel's actions NOW, are going to ensure that Israel WILL BE destroyed, because that is the ONLY long-term solution to the problem that Israel is creating.


in fact, although many Jews, especially Zionist Jews, believe they ARE 'hegemonic', atm in fact they are being led to their doom yet again by the very same families who created the Final Solution.

it is dismaying.

slightly less dismaying than what they are DOING to the Palestinians, and Lebanese however.


if they continue to try to label anyone with an ounce of decent morality that questions Israel's action's, all they will do is transform "Anti-Semite" from an insult to a compliment. THAT is an extraordinary stupid thing to do. "God's Chosen People"? I suspect God has more sympathy for those the Israelis are abusing.

GOD DOESN'T DO SYMPATHY - NATURE DOESN'T DO EMPATHY (#78)

WE just do survival.

An allegory:
Trees produce a high-spec structural material, some of it of great beauty, but all they are programmed to do was make more trees. (An ailing tree does not hang on to life - it flowers and seeds.)

For the avoidance of doubt:
I am broadly in agreement with you Mork. You are a good anvil-of-thought on which I can either test, or re-shape, mine. Before posting on the NN blog, I used to write to myself as a way to test thoughts. (Not a lot of difference most of the time!)

Regarding the Israeli approach to Johnnie Foreigner (as abusable and disposable) it looks identical to that of ALL the warlike states - including Britain - to me. There is no UN lead by example - no leg to stand on. Have they ever gone to the International Court and submitted that Yahweh GAVE them all the disputed land? They could take the Ark along to 'give' evidence. To quote Eric Morcambe: "There's no answer to that!"

Oh - it's all going awfully well.

barry, Israel is not *quite* identical to current Western Imperialism - for instance, we are not attempting ethnic cleansing and re-population in Afghanistan (at least *i* haven't heard about it!), although we are also using the lie that it is about 'our security'.

Israel was born in the fire of the Nazis and Marxists, and adopted many of the practices and beliefs of such - for instance, the belief that what 'the vanguard' have to do is lie through their teeth until they have achieved the 'desired change upon the ground'.

the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians to greater Eratz Israel was a decision taken in the early days of Israel, and has been given vast resources by the Western Elite to achieve this. This has at least 2 objectives in the Elites minds:

1. Making the Jews the scapegoat for what Western countries have done to Islam over the last few centuries, so when the inevitable rebound comes, it is Israel, and the global Jewry, who take the fall.
2. preventing any development in the region that Israel is dominating. For instance Lebanon had just rebuilt its holiday infrastructure after Israel's previous invasions - when Israel once AGAIN invaded a couple of years ago - this time leaving cluster munitions in civilian areas, a clear breach of International Law. All the surrounding nations have to factor in extra security, as well as extra social control, because of Israel's actions and threats.

from a short-term geo-political stand-point, this appears to make sense for Western Elites. Of course, *in fact* we would ALL benefit from development in this region, and not only because a war involving Israel's WMD would be utterly disastrous for EVERYONE, but because development and trade stabilises and spreads wealth and peace.

in short, the Israeli population has been sold up the creek by former terrified and openly racist leaders, continually promoted in that way by self-interested *truly* anti-Semitic Western Elites, and are today facing the true Final Solution, as the Jews formerly in Moslem Lands are now ensconced in Israel, and Israel's actions are making "anti-Semitism" a term of compliment.

and what it the main problem preventing Jews from spotting all this going on? Because they have been told repeatedly that they are "incredibly intelligent", - and they are a "Stiff-Necked People", as i recall they are so informed by none other than HWHJ.

there are none so stupid as those who believe that they are automatically cleverer than those around them.


as for claiming the Land through an ancient religious text... - yesterday, my Goddess used me to write a text, and it said that i owned everything. Its *definitely* not a forgery, i vouch for its authenticity myself!


so hand it all over, serf. :P

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81 or is it 82

nn LOL (FEART) smell it just before U Dye

Die it Any Colour You Like

My Head is Above the Heavens, My Feet Below the Hells.

i choose the Rainbow. :wub: