Friday 12 March 2010

Its a pity there is no piece on the decision not to root out the BNP teachers. Would we tolerate 15 paedophiles - and there are such links with the far right?

But then again I would say that I would not like to see a Jewish patient in particular, or any ethnic minority, going to hospital and being treated by a BNP doctor or nurse.

Its not easy to decide how to deal with these people but the logic based on the fact that there are such few numbers does not wash.

I am surprised that the mighty Vince Cable is not advocating much greater financial reform but then perhaps he is keeping his powder dry.

As for the fact that there were dodgey accounting practices with regard to Lehmans does that detract from the Blair argument that he was surprised the FAS wanted to investigate perfectly respectable banks?

There needs to be much closer accounting by regulatory authorities and there needs to be a much better picture of what is going on at the high level so that a financial house of cards can't take out the global economy.

I wonder whether the facts are available to enable Michael Crick to determine just how volatile the electorate is and whether not only is the Tory vote soft but probably also the Labour one.

They have been all things to all people and now at the end of the day they have a shaky core vote and few friends in any arena.

A two party club where the members can't be replaced leads to bad governance and so even if the electorate does not yet endorse the move towards proportional representation that would allow failing parties to be replaced there is no other evident path.

On the Anglo-French defence talks I hope they discuss the possibility of using French land based missiles or French nuclear sub technology as a cheaper option to Trident.

We should be downgrading with proliferation in mind and also be looking for the kind of flexibility that would allow a proportionate response to say a threat from a failed state with nuclear weapons.

Karl Rove: How this man does not collapse under the weight of his own disgust i'll never know. The Wark asked him did he feel sick when there was no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq. We'll never get a truthful answer to that kinda question on account the Bush administration always knew Saddams Iraq weapons catalogue was limited to a bunch of hit and miss skuds, rocks and what ever Reagan and Bush senior administration sold them. The one thing that was definatley sold and bought though was the lie that Saddams Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

A ditty is a ditty and a concept album is a journey. I went on many journeys with Pink floyd thanks in most part to Roger Waters heartfelt lyrics. You can listen to the whole or dip your toe occasionally, cherry pick your favourites. Why the floyd are dragging this through the courts is a bit of a puzzel. Is it not Better to sell a part than nothing at all. Floyd don't need the money so I suppose principle is the main factor in this.

GO1 @ 1 YOU COULD ALSO SAY:

Its a pity there is no piece on the decision not to root out the left-wing extremist teachers. Would we tolerate 15 paedophiles - and there are such links with the far left?

go1, you wrote:
"Its not easy to decide how to deal with these people but the logic based on the fact that there are such few numbers does not wash."

Considering Labour are finished as a political force and the Tories are only slightly ahead of them, where are all the other voters? who do you think they are going to vote for if not Labour or the Tories and certainly not the Libs. Not everyone lives in your warped world. Take a long and hard look again at the mood of the electorate...and then be very afraid. Remember what I said, be careful in what you fear for.

#60

Sure, Ecolizzy, I was just writing in reaction to your last sentence of #35: 'Why is it so shameful these days to actually live and work in the same place, I suppose not cool and edgy enough?!!! ; )' as well as the fact that one of your favourite bloggers these days is Stats who doesn't seem to have any real life but constantly spurts out what more often than not I conisder as absurdities.

Revolution from a black hole, eh?

You personally, Ecolizzy, I don't think live in a black hole having children and all that and you don't seem to be blogging at all on Sundays which seems to indicate that you might be, perhaps, preoccupied with your family cooking and serving Sunday lunch, etc.

Thank you kindly for responding

mim

This will please go1 https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8564742.stm

Trouble is, as I see it, judges can't control how people choose to vote.

Watch out thegangophone, another threat has been issued, probably from a black hole

# 1, #6 - as a matter of principle, until the decision is taken to proscribe the BNP as a political party, why should BNP teachers be rooted out? I'm no fan of the the BNP but if we go down this route, where does it end - who decides and based on what crietria and are these criteria applied universally? Should I be able to ask for teachers who are members of religious organisations which promote creationism to be kicked out of my kids?

Overall, teachers tend to be brighter than average people, and so they are pretty good at discriminating (which is basic to all intelligent behaviour). They have passed exams showing that they can discriminate intelligently, and they have gone into a profession to do just that, i.e help others, who can benefit, to do the same. I find it very hard to believe that many teachers would discriminate against or in favour of, pupils on the basis of their ethnic or racial grouping, but I know for a fact that they will be able to discriminate that their pupils belong to particular groups, as that's a requirement in terms of government data collection. Furthermore, the government test and exam results are all broken down by ethnic groups, and even the Government formula used for predicting achievement uses the 16+1 Government discrimination scheme along with other measures like free-school meals, sex, etc.

I can also imagine many of our ethnic minority Britons voting to limit immigration from Pakistan, Africa and the Caribbean and elsewhere), if this meant limiting immigration of people who have minimal skills, as there just aren't the jobs here for them anymore. If the numbers came out that this mean more people from the Indian or African etc sub-continent were being refused admission, it would not mean that they were being discriminated against in terms of race, just ability. There is a difference, and it requires one to be able to discriminate intelligently. This might also mean that British Asians and Africans etc joined the BNP, if their policies were sensibly constructed to limit economically self-destructive immigration policies. However, if their policies were just on the basis of skin colour or country of origin alone, that would be illegal, and rightly so. Surely this is obvious, and what the Points System is all about?

#68 from previous page

'I think 'having it all' and 'putting self first' are among the worst and most swalloed lies - because it FEELS Good!'

That's my experience, BYT, alas, of pretentious English/'Russian' tutors.

mim

Why do the BBC persist in using the term 'water boarding' when discussing the US techniques employed to make 'em talk?

Surely the correct term to use would be the plain ol' all encompassing word....'torture'.

Strange...innit?

Baiting people to death is not a crime in the uk. why is it not seen as murder? ever watched a chicken being pecked to death? It's relentless and without mercy. but then humans are not supposed to be bestial?

antisocial behaviour is ignored as is setting dogs on people. what good is there in a society like that?

https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article7059812.ece

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Hmmmm Medussa....

#13 addendum

Those 2 overambitious tutors, Brightyangthing, are like 2 spoilt prats trying to jump to heights they can never reach

mim

Now would this be because of the mire this country is in, with no direction or social cohesion....

https://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/health/newsid_8563000/8563670.stm

Or is it just fashionable? I do know one father who commented his daughter was influenced by Richey Edwards, the scaring from this practice is dreadful. I'm at a bit at a loss to understand it, is it the violence in films, and games, or breakdown of family life, I just don't know. sigh

BRIGHT TEACHERS - THAT WAS FAR FROM TRUE IN THE 1950 (#12)

"Overall, teachers tend to be brighter than average people"

The Grammar School I attended (1950s) was staffed mostly with aberrant personalities. The school my sons attended, for secondary schooling, had its share. My lot could certainly 'discriminate'!

Russia is to build 16 Nuclear reactors in India (which like Pakistan, won't sign the NPT either). Which is more dangerous, Iran, India or Pakistan, and why?

THE IMMATURE MALE ANIMAL (#15 link)

As a young boy on a middle-class estate of private houses, I and my friends would taunt and harass the afflicted and the newcomer. This was not COPIED nor ENCOURAGED but arose SPONTANEOUSLY. As I grew older, the behaviour departed, as surely as the suckling bump on a baby's lip does.

I believe there is an underlying reality above, which politicians and the PC-espousers refuse to acknowledge. 'Denial isn't working.'

#9

Nobody can control how people are going to vote, Ecolizzy. What it does, however, is to bring focus on what the BNP stand for as well as the possibility of suing them should they step out of line.

Although Law does evolve with time, just about like everything that's human, once it is there it can be upheld.

mim

Ecolizzy
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Gordon, Mandy and their cronies thought that by extreme action they would make me switch allegiance from the Tories to their way of thinking. What they have achieved, however, is quite the opposite and so after a period of neutrality, they've made me stick with the Tories even more strongly now than before, even if I wouldn't necessarily follow everything single issue that the Conservative Party may be coming up with which I've been given the opportunity to voice. That's because David Cameron's ears are open and his eyes are not blinkered.

mim

It seems to me that even the security issues under the current government have become little less than a farce, albeit a 'grave' farce:

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8563501.stm

China orders reporters trained in Marxist theory

https://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j5Zczjw87fgzluLREyLQShLIO_DgD9ECBQP81

if there two kinds of people in the world, the oppressors and the oppressed, which ones are the tibetans?

19. ecolizzy 'Or is it just fashionable? I do know one father who commented his daughter was influenced by Richey Edwards, the scaring from this practice is dreadful. I'm at a bit at a loss to understand it, is it the violence in films, and games, or breakdown of family life, I just don't know. sigh'

Some of it is just increased reporting/recording given the proliferation of data capture and social networking. Some of it is people learning new ways to get attention (which meets a need). It's mainly attention seeking behaviour if looked at in terms of its consequences (and what reinforces it, which is how it should be viewed). It is mildly masochistic, but so is much of narcissistic behaviour (and its related adolescent/developmental identity disorders). Think 'poor me' and control of others....Girls do it more for what should be obvious reasons. Our celebrity culture hasn't helped, but that too probably reflects a deterioration in the population. Don't worry about it, nothing you can do. :-(

27 - Except, more parents should try accepting kids for what they naturally are instead of trying to make them into what they think they should be, or more often, what they would like them to be ... even though, in many cases this will mean accepting them in ways that they don't like!

Now... how likely is that? That requires real ability. It really does!

20. barriesingleton 'The Grammar School I attended (1950s) was staffed mostly with aberrant personalities. The school my sons attended, for secondary schooling, had its share. My lot could certainly 'discriminate'!'

My point was descriptive, and accurate. We choose the better qualified to be teachers, maybe not all the most highly qualified but they're above average. No doubt some will have personality oddities, but again, usually, the pathological are screened out, if not at interview, then later. I suspect the same is true of the Catholic and other churches? It's a matter of quantifiers and public exposure surely? None of us are perfect.

How can the Lib-Demmics claim to be " building a fairer Britain " when they are still firmly in bed with the eco-fascists proposing spy in sky road charging. I must admit that some of their policies are attractive to me, but on balance there is a high chance of implementing eco-fascist policy stupidity in many areas. Whatever Vince Cable alleges to do with the income tax system the poor will end up paying more through alleged " Green Taxes ". I can't really think of any policy that will increase the financial apartheid in the UK more than the introduction of widespread toll roads. All this at a time when the alleged Climate Science green taxes are based on is looking increasingly shaky, even though perhaps it up to the Yanks to bring the truth out into the open.

https://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=video&video-id=3230

According to
https://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Technology/Mind-Reading-Telepathic-Computer-Programme-Developed-By-Wellcome-Trust-Centre-At-UCL/Article/201003215572449?lpos=Technology_First_UK_News_Feature_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15572449_Mind_Reading%3A_Telepathic_Computer_Programme_Developed_By_Wellcome_Trust_Centre_At_UCL

UCL has made a computer which can read minds!
Which MP should we have up first?????

22

..As I grew older, the behaviour departed,..

you are one of the few.

its about CHOOSING to use ones power for good. the power of choice [and speaking] is what make a human being different from an animal. A child from an adult. Some never make that choice into adulthood. The 'default' position is the child.

as someone who has to confront a lot of this in my community role the un pc observation is that every person or group of persons causing trouble is not in work. so this is state sponsored crime imo.

suppose we all chose to use our power for bad ends? it would be like somalia.[like the boards can be!]

but our quasi marxist culture hates the word choice. because that suggests responsibility and removes the ability for the pc to say the perpetrators are also 'victims' of [capitalist] society.

26. jauntycyclist Think about this. In China, they have a state, and the state has policies which are arrived at via democratic-centralism. In the liberal-demcoracies, the state is to be kept at bay, so a critical press is encouraged. From your link:

'Communist theories of journalism say media should serve the leadership and not undermine its initiatives — a stark contrast to the independent government watchdog role many democracies embrace.'

One has to look into how their leadership comes up with its initiatives. One has to look into how democratic-centralism works, i.e don't judge their system from the position of liberal-democracy, there's is different. To do otherwise is ethno/polico-centricism. It's self-centred, and biased.

As to Tibet, remember that Tibet signed a 17 Point Agreement long ago.

33
bias?

why no different political parties for real debate? or do their ideas not stand up to debate but merely terror?

the one party state believe they have the truth. and any opposition is thus counter revolutionary which creates political and thought crimes for which one needs a gulag system. so no different to the taliban. or medieval kingship. whose logic turns opposition into some kind of heresy that needs to be punished. or re-education by many hours of public self criticism after the work quota is done of course.

why would a journalist needs marx if the job of reporting is related to facts and not promoting an ideology? that is not journalism but propaganda. How many courses of journalism in the uk study marx as a central framework for their job? its as bizarre as asking electricians to study marx so they know which wires to fix?

FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT (#32)

I am still a fully paid up 'differencist' - I reserve my highest approval for clones of me and am least drawn to those 'way-off-centre' relative to my 1937 birth and nurture in English England. It's just that I don't feel moved to harass on those grounds these days.

Mind you, when Balkan-style strife breaks out here, perhaps I should upbraid myself for dereliction of duty?

32. jauntycyclist 'but our quasi marxist culture hates the word choice. because that suggests responsibility and removes the ability for the pc to say the perpetrators are also 'victims' of [capitalist] society.'

No. This is false. We are awash with 'choices'. These are what we have had thrust upon us since Thatcher. The problem is that most people don't understand what 'choices' are. The term became popular in research in the 50s and 60s for well known reasons. Choices are in fact just one rate of behaviour in the place of another rate of behaviour, but one still has to work out what accounts for those choices though, i.e. what controls them, and a lot of money has gone into that at the marketing level. People are not 'free' to make these choices, and making out that they are, just stuffs mental stuff back into them as a non explanation like 'caveat emptor', which is exactly what is so unjust given that people don't choose to be bright or stupid, or ugly or beautiful, well or sick etc.

Follow my advice to barriesingleton on the previous blog. Some of this stuff is now pretty well understood, but sadly, it's been exploited by some too (cf. the sub-prime market of consumers).

Vauxhall given £270 million lifeline by Government

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7430109/Vauxhall-given-270-million-lifeline-by-Government.html

uk taxpayer subsidising an american firm?

all this use of taxpayer money for electioneering was predicted on the boards many months ago. it won't be the last Gordon 'Machiavelli' Brown bailout?

34. jauntycyclist 'why no different political parties for real debate? or do their ideas not stand up to debate but merely terror?'

Many reasons. One is that they found that multi-party systems don't work (look at the choice you have, you just get to choose different colours of anarchism). Another is that as the idea is to put the means of production etc into public ownership (British Rail, Airways, Telecom, Gas etc) you don't so much need different parties as different people to run the show. The people elect representatives at the local (council) level and these go on to elect at the regional, province, and ultimately national level. It's just a different form of democracy. You're not told this, because the liberal-democratic system is a scam, as in practice (compared to say China) there is little government by the people at all. Free enterprise (laissez-faire) likes it that way, the legislation is designed to help free enterprise not the people. You have seen most of the public sector nobbled in recent decades, and this will just continue under all three main parties in the future. How they differ is trivial, just expect more cuts in public services and more taxes.

34. jauntycyclist ' How many courses of journalism in the uk study marx as a central framework for their job? its as bizarre as asking electricians to study marx so they know which wires to fix?'

You're really not listening/reading at all, are you....? That's called being prejudiced.

36

still peddling the 'we are all victims of capitalist marketing'? no. we do have a choice over using our power for good ends. over our own power we have a choice. although some like to remain children and have others [like the state or the party] make those choices for us.

the idea people have 'no choice' over baiting people to death or putting bricks through windows or setting fire to houses or poisoning neighbours cats for spite because of capitalist marketing sounds and is ludicrous?

67. At 2:26pm on 12 Mar 2010, Statist wrote:


It is rare that I disagree with your posts and certainly not this time. Occasionally, though, I do ‘sit’ in awe of your typing speeds!

I have to say that I particularly agree with your post No 67 yesterday.

That said .....


One of the most interesting things learnt from reading this site is that ....

Where blindness is self inflicted it is usually beyond cure, and this will forever prevent the afflicted from getting off of their horse!





At 3:19pm on 12 Mar 2010, ecolizzy wrote:

Check out the link at the bottom of the page you have cited.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8558590.stm



At 5:46pm on 12 Mar 2010, mimpromptu wrote:

................. That's because David Cameron's ears are open and his eyes are not blinkered.

But that must surely beg the statement .....

Inevitably his supporters appear to suffer the opposite ‘attributes’ !

Oh! .... Yes ....

Yet another very good reason to ask whether the Nu Cons have got their finger on the pulse.

BBC East today. The Con Party has completely disassociated itself from the Kettering Nu Con MP that has called for a complete ban of the Burqa in public places as he found it intimidating. The MP has said that he is certain that, in calling for the ban, he is representing the views of a large number of his constituents.

Strange that an HMP is supposed to represent his stroke her local electorate and the Party is supposed to support the nation?

Of course I may be wrong?

But then I feel the headscarf is divisive and discriminatory. e.g. What was the common identifying factor of four children separated from the rest of the class in the recent C4 documentary? Hint ..... it wasn’t skin colour and there was no way of knowing if it was academic ability.

Sadly .... repeating myself ..... If the headscarf is to represent puberty why is it’s use increasing in Primary Schools.

They banned it in France and barely a murmur!

But then ... We’re British and will take it from anyone!

38

the phrase missing is 'in your opinion'? or is this scientific facts now?

39

you are not giving answers but insults. which is the way of the gulag? which fits the authoritarian place you have positioned your mind?

the only person who thinks you have the whole truth is you?

which is why you would have to put people like me in gulags for political thought crimes for your system to work? :)

34. jauntycyclist - try to take on board the implications of the fact that a) the liberal-democracies (East and West) are all struggling with cripplingly low birth rates and as this continues, first their populations will age and then they will decline b) their populations are getting dumber because of a skewed birth rate and c) they are in economic trouble as a consequence of a and b.

If you examine this too locally (short-term) you won't see any of this. Stupid people think too locally. The Chinese are now the smartest and largest group on the planet. They are long-term planners.

40. jauntycyclist 'no. we do have a choice over using our power for good ends. over our own power we have a choice. although some like to remain children and have others [like the state or the party] make those choices for us.'

You are deluded/appealing to magical forces like 'good' 'bad' and 'choice'. I am telling you that you can not appeal to such magical notions as explanations, as you don't know what they are, and they beg all the important questions. If you are going to assert that people have 'choices' (or are 'good'or 'bad' etc) you will find that you can explain anything and nothing like a magician or witch-doctor. You just need to say there is 'good' and 'bad', and hey presto, someone has too much bad or too much good, etc. The problem is, these are not explanatory terms, they are just descriptive words for what you can not explain (like 'virtus dormitiva' was used, look it up).

I'm telling you something practically useful if you'll listen. Try to follow it up, instead of chasing chimera. I know how you think, and it's wrong.

43

if china demonstrated they offered a superior way of life then brits would be trying to smuggle into china in the back of lorries. but that is not the case.

if marxism offered a superior way of nation building then more people would take it up. it appeals to people who want to remain children and have the state 'cradle to grave' them? anyone who thinks differently they crush.

42. jauntycyclist 'you are not giving answers but insults. which is the way of the gulag? which fits the authoritarian place you have positioned your mind?'

Only because you are not doing any work on this. I'm educating you, but you are not learning.

'the only person who thinks you have the whole truth is you?'

No, tens of thousands know what I am talking about. You just don't know any of this. Follow up what I have advised, and you may see what I am telling you...maybe.

What I am telling you is familiar to many professionals.

When you see Karl Rove on NN and you think of the damge he and Bush did to the world, Enron, the Iraq war, WMD's and all the other despicable acts that will take generations to put right and although they do not possess one decent policy to put before the American people almost overnight they have cowered Obama into submission, on healthcare, troop replacements in Afghanistan and you would never believe that the Democrats had a majority in both houses, yet they pussyfoot around, uncertain instead of demonstrating all the passion they had or seem to have before the election. So many people feel let down by this seemingly 'sell out' Presdident that, the way things are going we should be lucky if the Health Bill makes it through......

42. jauntycyclist 'which is why you would have to put people like me in gulags for political thought crimes for your system to work? :)'

No, a good university course might set you straight. That's probably what they tried to do in the USSR etc too you know. Educate people!

We have this problem in this counry too you know. We can't teach some people. They won't be told anything. We tend to just leave them in their ignorance. Sometimes we lock them up too, but only if they annoy others! Sometimes 'dissidents' from the Soviet block came here and complained bitterly that they were being forced to be sociable! Stupidly, we gave them asylum, and look what's happened!!

Is this not sinking in yet?

Apparently the Russians are terribly upset with the USA for speaking about disrespect of basic human rights by the Chinese.

Why don't the Russians concentrate on sorting their own disastrous state of affairs in their own country rather than stick their noses in those of others?

49. mimpromptu 'Why don't the Russians concentrate on sorting their own disastrous state of affairs in their own country rather than stick their noses in those of others?'

You ask many questions, and learn so very little. It's all very child like.

I can see council tax rising rapidly over the next 20 years....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1257608/Portakabin-primaries-Immigrant-baby-boom-schools-overflowing.html

I haven't watched Newsnight for a while as I had got a bit tired of Paxman's dreary, bored and superior face but did watch tonight. We had
Gavin Estler and Liz Mackean (sp?) highlighting a very negative piece in Le Monde about the Tories after which he joined in the attack on the Tory MEP with the co-author of the article.Siad co-author then sang us a hymn of praise for Gordon Brown.When the poor old MEP tried to intervene and talk about William Hague's policy speech on Europe he was ignored and shouted down. Next came Samantha Cameron's entrance into the media scene. This time no mention of Sarah Brown's quite nauseating 'my hero' gigs over the last 18 months or so- no, nothing so even handed.What on earth is going on with the BBC??Are you so infuriated by the thought of a Tory government you've lost the plot?This is really disturbing stuff.

CULTURAL EXCHANGE ON A DUSTY AFGHANISTAN ROAD

What a wonderful encapsulation of the whole silly game. We send armed men to bring them 'civilisation' and they mock us, in return, by driving past as we scrabble in the dirt applying IDMs (Improvised Detection Means) to locate SVDs (Sophisticatedly Varied Devices). And it is all overseen by Miliband D - an ISN (Impoverished Strutting Ninny) backed by a JGB (James Gordon Brown). Odd - there is no way to make those latter initials more comedic!

YOU AINT SEEN NOTHIN' YET. (#52)

We have the swim-suit round to look forward to yet, AND the pouting: "I want to work with NEEDY children" (totally failing to realise that all three do!)

The Cleggster: The kingmaker!..God help us!

One thing you'll notice if your ever find yourself in a room full of Liberals is how sick they all look..an unhealthy bunch gathered is no fun what so ever. They have that look that tells you not to keep them waiting too long as they need a squeeze on their inhaler, and a glass of water to help swallow a protein supplement. They've all been on some weird diet for years that has left them semi-useless at best..you will not get an honest days work out of any of these folk, not one has ever had a real job in their lives; most are ex jobbing Journos, usually at local levels, Public sector workers such as librarians, councillors - thats the core base of them - third rate actors in cybermen suits, old ladies with odd man-errisms who had mostly lived a charmed and easy life and lets not forget the failed unelected bureaucrat/s...but like I've already said, they mostly come from the public sector. yeah well what about Vinny Cable I hear you ask...well he's an aberration, I've no idea why he associates with this lot. I personally believe that Liberalism is a mental disorder, and I have believed in this theory for years. I recently discovered a book that actually is titled 'Liberalism is a mental disorder'..It was good to know that I've had it confirmed.

https://www.amazon.com/Liberalism-Mental-Disorder-Savage-Solutions/dp/1595550437/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268437785&sr=8-1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzr4aQG1PWM

the review: global warming..climate change, otherwise known as the weather. I see that new religion never really had legs but the numpties bought into it hook line and sinker, the biggest buyers of that cult was...mostly the libs, you could sell them anything.

"GO1 @ 1 YOU COULD ALSO SAY:

Its a pity there is no piece on the decision not to root out the left-wing extremist teachers. Would we tolerate 15 paedophiles - and there are such links with the far left?"

could you say that the left condone the holocaust as the 'holohoax' ?

extraordinary that legitimisation of griffins historical stance could be so readily accepted .

"Quote of the Week":

"There is overwhelming evidence that the climate is changing - look at Haiti"
[Beth Derbyshire, ''Visual' artist', The Review Show]

"# 1, #6 - as a matter of principle, until the decision is taken to proscribe the BNP as a political party, why should BNP teachers be rooted out? I'm no fan of the the BNP but if we go down this route, where does it end - who decides and based on what crietria and are these criteria applied universally? Should I be able to ask for teachers who are members of religious organisations which promote creationism to be kicked out of my kids?"

why would anyone want to endorse a fascistic organisation with a history of having an admiration of adolf hitler and denying the holocaust, why on earth would anyone want to have such individuals to have a place in our schools ?

why would any nation want to encourage fascism against islam and muslims knowing of the history of the last century?

do you really see no difference between the killing of 6 million jewish people, and many many others and the idea that the world was created 6000 years ago?

"When you see Karl Rove on NN and you think of the damge he and Bush did to the world, Enron, the Iraq war, WMD's and all the other despicable acts"

why wasnt he arrested for alleged war crimes, surely his admitting waterboarding as a process (which has been declared as torture)was evidence and a legitimate reason to call the police to the nn studios ..

I remember distinctly Mrs Thatcher insisting on not poking fun at the weak or deformed aspects of her political opponents and it's sad that George Osborne felt the need to score cheap points at the cost of Nicolas Sarkozy's height, as much as, personally, I prefer the tall guys to the short ones although that also depends on their individual characteristics as human beings, etc.

I'm not sure whether the British voters are aware of the fact that the French are going to the polls this Sunday in the local elections. Apparently it might take a miracle for Nicolas Sarkozy to win even a few of the local seats.

That's probably because he plays dirty which has made him unpopular while, it seems to me, otherwise, the rest of his colleagues still command quite a degree of respect.

e#61 addendum

It's just possible that it is Nicolas Sarkozy's shortness which has made him feel the need to play dirty as a way of compensation.

It looks like it's true that Nicolas Sarkozy and Carla Bruni are currently enjoying extra-marital affairs. All ths after their sickly lovey-dovey photos all over the French glossy magazines! Although the French talk and gossip about the fact they do not seem to be condemning it.

Imagine an equivalent situation in the UK. Not a dry piece of thread would be left of the naughty couple's garments and proverbial stones would be flying at great speeds.

I suppose what Samantha Cameron is trying to do is to show her husband's human sides rather than just play a lovely little wife at the side of a vote scorer Eaton educated robot.

Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with that. As a successful business woman who intends to carry on in her current job if they do move to No 10, she too is only human and deep down the couple is not that much different than thousands/millions couples juggling their personal and professional lives.

What on earth was Rachel Johnson talking about when she spoke about Samantha's Cameron's left nostril?

I'm sure her husband has much better assets and attributes than his presumed ability to tickle his wife's left nostril.

So, let me reiterate - it takes much more to attract a woman, to make her feel comfortable about herself and feel appreciated, if not indeed loved, than a bit tickling indulgence of a presumed, pathetic contender for her body.

At #60 I should have put 'physical aspects'

Out of all the above the conclusion should not be that I think that every really short man plays dirty. It's just that quite a few short men who at the same like power, as a way of compensation, can become very nasty indeed, as was the case with Hitler for example.

Barack Obama has suspended further flights to the Moon so for the time being science lovers will have to carry on dreaming. One can't blame the USA President for having done so as considering the current difficult economic situation affecting the real lives of the American people they can't afford paying for dreams while so many families lose their jobs and homes, and do not have enough money to pay for healthcare.

#68

The above has nothing to do, however, with my bike rids to the Blue Moon which I shall be resuming later today.

mim

Here's the link to #68:

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8565243.stm

and at #69 it should be 'BIKE RIDES'

58. wendymann 'why would anyone want to endorse a fascistic organisation with a history of having an admiration of adolf hitler and denying the holocaust, why on earth would anyone want to have such individuals to have a place in our schools ?'

Indeed, why would anyone want to endorse any political organization which sought to combat anarchism, kleptocracy and plutocracy? Especially if they might influence the young to consider voting for such outrageous anti-libertarian nonsense.

I think that David Cameron will get elected. This, however, will be a close election, and a hung parliament is a dangerous thing because it means that there is no effective opposition. I think that the Lib Dems need to get very aggressive in their campaigning, rather than having an election strategy based on total acceptance of third party status. They, conceivably could leap frog Labour into the second party position, and this would not be a disaster for Labour, but would allow them to get rid of their senior members to act in a more advisory capacity in the House of Lords. The most important thing to remember about this electon is that the scandal about expenses has given rise to the mistaken belief that politicians themselves have CAUSED the problems we now face. They have CAUSED the lack of faith in politics, but this was made possible by the POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT CONDITIONS caused by the economic downturn. It is essential that the BBC puts this point across to ensure that the election is fought on principles and policies, rather than being a streetfight for Downing Street between the ego's of Brown, Cameron and Clegg (if indeed, Nick Clegg even has an ego).

The use of Samantha is pure political savvy-ness. If I had a wife like her, she'd probably be behind most of my successes in life, but perfectly happy to take only lip service in terms of any credit given. Samantha is the means by which a slightly geeky, but very robust leader (think TE Lawrence rather than Churchill.... equally as good, but less identifiable as such) makes the point that he is human. If he can hold on to a girl like that, then running the country should be a doddle... which means he's more like Blair than he would like to admit. Marriage is the measurement that we all know works: if you can hold it down, and make your wife as happy as Samantha is, despite all that they have been through with the death of their son, then you can achieve anything you put your mind to. Of course, if your marriage works that well, then it means that it is mostly down to the wife, and subconsciously, we all know that to be true. David Cameron demonstrates through his marriage that he can be simultaneously a husband, a Leader and a Team Player, but most importantly a listener. The problem then for the electorate becomes this : It means Gordon Brown is just as good a candidate, and so is Nick Clegg.

I wouldn't want to be a pollster to call this one, but simply because Labour has been in power for so long, I will go for a Conservative win with a slight majority with the Lib Dems taking equally from both parties to establish no hung parliament, but a more level three party House.

51. ecolizzy '51. At 11:26pm on 12 Mar 2010, ecolizzy wrote:
I can see council tax rising rapidly over the next 20 years....'

It's all about consumers (for Tesco, Sainsbury, ASDA.. and the banks/insurance comnpanies etc) given teh indigenous falling birth rate, as I see it. Anyone wanting to curb immigration is therefore a raci...err...anti-what's_good_for_the_economy_ist.

I remind you, libertarians are anarchistic i.e. right-wing, not left-wing, regardless of what they call themselves. Most people are politically illiterate these days, even (especially?) those who go to 'university'!

45.jaunty cyclist 'if china demonstrated they offered a superior way of life then brits would be trying to smuggle into china in the back of lorries. but that is not the case.'

They'd be easily spotted in China don't you? You'd have to be able to speak Chinese too. They have a socialist state, so don't take kindly to free-loaders either.

'if marxism offered a superior way of nation building then more people would take it up.'

Look up the Shanghai Cooperative Organisation.

'it appeals to people who want to remain children and have the state 'cradle to grave' them?'

Wait till you are older, you will see the reason for this. It's a pity you can't see it already. Socialism was largely of British origin (cf. Owen).

'anyone who thinks differently they crush.'

China does a lot of crushing, at home and abroad doesn't it?.... Perhaps you are confusing them with the Americans/Israelis? (Korea, Vietnam, Palestine, Iraq etc etc)?

You really should try to learn to look at the world a little more objectively. Look at their constitution on secession for example. And look at what is important in socialism, it is duty to others, not individual (selfish) rights.

57. At 00:21am on 13 Mar 2010, Strugglingtostaycalm wrote:
"Quote of the Week":

"There is overwhelming evidence that the climate is changing - look at Haiti"
[Beth Derbyshire, ''Visual' artist', The Review Show]

Quick, make up a nifty title (we have Editor, Analyst, Correspondent... how about nicking Prescott's and having a 'BBC Climate Rappoteur', too) and giver her her own beat, helicopter, etc.

Mind you, the IPCC may also be in need of a new spokesperson. Her career options are unlimited!

"All the world is queer save thee and me, and even thou is a little queer".

Robert Owen 1828

On this, even the odd usually misguiding, neocon is worth reading. It isn't all Jewish Marxism ;-)

'Sam Cam' oh dear........ Keep her out of politics.

In fact, with Cameron credited with coming up with the phrase "There is such a thing as society, it's just not the same thing as the state", best keep him out of politics too (if you know what's good for society)!

45. jaunty cyclist Do you think selfish, exploiters of people should be rewarded, i.e. encouraged? Do you think thieves, cheats and rapists are 'good'? Should they be honoured with Ks and Ps for helping the economy, or should they be sent to 'The Gulag'? ;-)

Incorrigible?

'I mean, it was just really a very unfortunate and difficult moment for everyone -- the United States, our vice president who had gone to reassert our strong support for Israeli security -- and I regret deeply that that occurred and made that known," Clinton said during the CNN interview'

Clinton in an interview with CNN on Israel's announcement of new construction of homes in a Jewish neighborhood in East Jerusalem.

And we get...... Sam Cam etc.....

CAM

"A rotational machine-part so shaped as to effect pre-determined motion to another part against which it acts."

How was it for you?

Asylum seekers from oppressive, crushing, regimes abroad: Just how many are ex cons? How does anyone know? Might this ever be why they want to keep a low profile and fear being sent home?

There you go too young to know, too early to tell. Brave woman, and probably right too.

JUSTICE REQUIRES WISDOM - LAW ALMOST DELIGHTS IN THE 'INHUMAN RULING'.

No one is the same person throughout their life; no one is the same person in all circumstances, no two acts are the same. It follows that Justice should be totally fluid. Law, however, takes pride in the rigidity of statute and precedent.

Another indication that we cannot function sustainably with the current social configuration and goals.

#35 "Mind you, when Balkan-style strife breaks out here, perhaps I should upbraid myself for dereliction of duty?"

Don't wait for that. England Expects Every Man To Do His Duty.
Vote Radical in May

every contributor should be allowed three posts.....MAX

#81
"Asylum seekers from oppressive, crushing, regimes abroad: Just how many are ex cons?"

As you say, nobody knows; but BBC Crimewatch has a Most Wanted gallery:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/crimewatch/wanted/index.shtml

Pick any edition, they all indicates a lack of proportionality:-

78

the gulags have a class of people there for political and thought crimes.

like Buddhist nuns, fulung gong, Tienanmen square students etc. the international media is blocked.

dragging out sam cam shows they really are not interested in promoting any kind of nation building science. maybe because they do not have one. they are not interested in winning votes through ideas and polices because in the end the only game is to get power to help your mates.

WHY? (#85)

If I could only post three times (daily? - per thread daily?) I would have to be a sad man AND feel oppressed by someone called 'stevie'. As it is, I am just a sad man who posts a lot.

56. stevie 05 Mar 2010 'the Albanian communists thought the Stalanists 'too soft' and revisionist imagine what they would think of......NuLabour! Ha....'

I think you've got that wrong. The Albanians were Stalinists. What they didn't like (along with the Chinese) is what the USSR did after Stalin's death. That's why they changed their allegiance to China in the 1950s (especially after the 1956 speech, but see Golitsin on this, it may not be over yet....)

New Labour is, if anything, Trotskyite. It has further eroded/sold-off the state just as Thatcher's Government did. That, of course is just what one one would expect of 'Social Democracy', which was essentially a USA invention for Europe after WWII to keep the USSR at bay. It made the naive think that they had socialism. In fact, it was always free-market anarchism (de-regulationism/imperialism). If you grew up in the 1950s, surely you can see this?

#85

Why?

On second thoughts
- per topic
- per hour
- per day/programme
- per week
EVER?

So, we come back to WHY?

I DO tend to think that several individual topic/deadline based threads, perhaps linked to a BBC promt or news headline, may be more readable but I don't like the idea of more restrictions.

#51/73 “Immigrant baby boom has schools overflowing. Yet more than 1,000 primary schools have closed since 1999 amid accusations that some areas have taken a short term view of likely demand.

Statisticians put the trend down to the rising population of foreign-born women of childbearing age and increasing fertility rates, possibly linked to maternity leave and tax credit policies.

Schools Minister Vernon Coaker said: 'We are aware of the continuing pressure that some local authorities will continue to face with growing numbers of primary pupils for several years, and this will be an important consideration for the next spending review in 2011.' “

This is either evidence of the suggested 'big-business' conspiracy, or that an incompetent government (and opposition)gave no consideration to the likely effects of multiculturalism through uncontrolled immigration. Maternity leave and tax credits are also good policies for attracting the growing numbers of 'grateful' voters.

Those wishing for a genuine change at Wetsminster should do some serious calculations on the TRUE costs of these policies - and vote Radical.

87. jauntycyclist 'the gulags have a class of people there for political and thought crimes.'

GULAG was Russian for Prison System was it not? Have a look into who's locked up in Europe for the crime of Holocaust Denial. Some alledge that such people are in prison for a 'thought crime', namely, the crime of writing, or speaking, in a way which subverts free-market liberal-democracy, i.e. by denying horror stories associated with former German statism. Is that credible? Is it emotionally or logically conceivable?
If you have difficulty with that, ask yourself why.

#89

One thing I can say for you, barriesingleton, is that I try to read all your posts, whether they meet with my approval or not, unlike many a post by some other NN bloggers.

mim

92. indignantindegene 'This is either evidence of the suggested 'big-business' conspiracy, or that an incompetent government (and opposition)gave no consideration to the likely effects of multiculturalism through uncontrolled immigration. Maternity leave and tax credits are also good policies for attracting the growing numbers of 'grateful' voters.'

The term 'conspiracy' is inappropriate as this is all legal. Businesses/banks etc just want consumers/customers. They are colour/race blind, not just by choice, but by law. They just go by numbers and sales projections etc. The problem is that the other costs (of low skill/ability) are someone else's problems as far as they are concerned. If you worked in their roles you'd think and behave the same way too I bet.

The problem is limited interests/attention span/intelligence. This was what was so scary about the ENRON disaster, they were bright but only responding to shareholders and 'fiduciary duty' etc. It's worth watching the ENRON film (probably available online).

People just do their jobs - but that's why statism is the only answer to this anarchistic mess we've let develop. Although, this (not obviously) costs in terms of 'freedom'. Most people can't/won't see/accept this :-(

It will just get worse as a consequence....

94. mimpromptu 'One thing I can say for you, barriesingleton, is that I try to read all your posts, whether they meet with my approval or not, unlike many a post by some other NN bloggers.'

Perhaps you just have an awful lot to learn? ;-)

Beauty is, of course, in the eye of the beholder.

Which makes it awfully tricky to decide who gets to be judge. All are equally eligible.

Perhaps best then that all get their moments to shine, or disappoint, whenever they wish.

And all also get to judge, preferably in their own sweet personal way (through experience I favour the glance and skip technique to focus on what appeals to me and avoid what seldom seems likely to) on what gets seen, or read. Ensuing debate is, of course, a new ballgame.

For the rest, there is always Blogdog. Can't recall who coined that term, but it resonated. So I am glad they did, and I got to read it. For me it had value, in a world where so little does.

#95 "The term 'conspiracy' is inappropriate as this is all legal. businesses/banks etc just want consumers/customers."

Conspire:'to make secret plans with others, especially to do wrong'(OED)

Nothing illegal or wrong with 'just WANTING consumers/customers' but how did such businesses/banks get democratically elected MPs to implement policies to satisfy their WANTS - except by lobbying or otherwise 'persuading' politicians to their cause?

Since neither multiculture nor massive immigration were in the political manifestos, nor approved by the voting public, then conspiracy is the name of the game - plus incompetence, and complacency by gov't and opposition alike. Hence Vote Radical.

#98 addendum
"This was what was so scary about the ENRON disaster, they were bright but only responding to shareholders and 'fiduciary duty' etc."

I've seen the ENRON documentary. As you imply that was a case of big business (not gov't)focussing on shareholders and their own greed.

"People just do their jobs - but that's why statism is the only answer to this anarchistic mess we've let develop. Although, this (not obviously) costs in terms of 'freedom'. Most people can't/won't see/accept this."

If big business and special interest groups can so easily infiltrate or lobby governments to implement policies that are contrary to the wishes and aspirations of society, doesn't that weaken the claim that statism is the way to go? It surely argues for a government with more checks and balances; a broad range of MPs of all persuasions to challenge.
Hence vote Radical!

98. indignantindegene 'Nothing illegal or wrong with 'just WANTING consumers/customers' but how did such businesses/banks get democratically elected MPs to implement policies to satisfy their WANTS - except by lobbying or otherwise 'persuading' politicians to their cause?'

As I keep saying, the role of legislation in liberal-democracies is often to prevent the state from intruding on or curtailing the rights of the free individual. What many don't see is that this is effectively anarchism, i.e not intruding on the free-market, which is there to determine what is right, i.e the value of things.

'Since neither multicultural nor massive immigration were in the political manifestos, nor approved by the voting public, then conspiracy is the name of the game - plus incompetence, and complacency by gov't and opposition alike. Hence Vote Radical.'

Not really. You'll see a lot about Human Rights and freedom.... but it's freedom from the state. Note how the FOIA and HRA apply to PUBLIC bodies?

We collectively keep giving Governments mandates NOT TO GOVERN, which serves the free-market (banks and retailers etc) just fine.

It's most cleverly done.