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Friday 11 December 2009 - in more detail

Verity Murphy|17:23 UK time, Friday, 11 December 2009

Here's what is coming up on Newsnight:

Tonight, Richard Watson has new revelations on the chaos in the student work visa system.

We also have the first British TV interview with Curt Knox, father of Amanda Knox, the American student convicted last week of killing her British housemate Meredith Kercher in Italy in 2007.

Amanda Knox faces a prison sentence of 26 years for the murder of the woman she described as her friend.

Her father Curt has vowed to fight on to clear her. Prosecutors portrayed Amanda as manipulative and promiscuous - but her supporters argued she was the victim of a vicious character assassination.

And after two days of tense discussion in Brussels, EU leaders have agreed to pay almost £7bn over the next three years to help developing nations adapt to climate change.

But are poorer countries taking enough action themselves? Christian Fraser reports from Egypt, where a one metre rise in the sea level could displace eight million people from the Nile Delta and destroy Egypt's most fertile farmland.

And here's Martha with what is coming up on Newsnight Review:

On tonight's show - it's all about the kids. Are adults muscling in on children's culture?

Two film adaptations of classic children's books, directed by two of Hollywood's hippest filmmakers, have recently arrived on British cinema screens.

Spike Jonze's interpretation of Maurice Sendak's Where The Wild Things Are, and Wes Anderson's stop-motion adaptation of Roald Dahl's Fantastic Mr Fox both offer dark and idiosyncratic takes on childhood classics, but who will they really appeal to?

We'll look at the latest in the run of family friendly productions at the National Theatre - Nation, adapted from the Terry Pratchett novel.

Can theatre that aims to attract audiences of all ages really please all generations?

And in the week that Thomas the Tank Engine was attacked by a Canadian academic for its "conservative political ideology" and failure to represent women properly, are we still trying to impress adult ideas about gender into the books kids read?

Our panel discuss two very different books. Girls Are Not Chicks, a feminist colouring book which playfully examines female gender stereotypes and Battleground by ex-SAS soldier Chris Ryan - an all action thriller for boys aged 11+.

Do join me this evening.

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  • Comment number 1.

    Why are your eyes red, then, reeyeutd?
    Have you been crying?
    Have you got any proof that the Whitehouse are not interested in what I have to say?
    If I have a problem it's superimpposed by people like yourself.

    Streetphotobeing:

    Me and Him Are a Win.

    Thank you!

    mim

  • Comment number 2.

  • Comment number 3.

    Nos 2

    That's pretty much how it is Rodger. The guy there was baiting them a bit too much. It all started in 2000 - at least for me and was one of the reasons I stopped doing architectural photography. Getting permission could be just too much of a pain and take too long which would mean cash flow problems being as construction companies paid pretty much when they wanted too.

    I devised a way to get around this for my own personal work by shooting on the street without putting my eye to the camera but not concealing it either and doing it always on the move and close to people. Always on public land of course.

    Visually documenting the time in which we live, on the street is important as far as I'm concerned and in one way a good came from this paranoia. A number of us found that you can take great photos without putting the camera to the eye, in fact its a human conceit and a draw back to progression to believe that that has to be done - to make visually intelligent work. You do have to get the ingredients correct - light, people and the technical matters sorted. A circular sensor to make full use of the image circle of the lens would make matters much better as well.

  • Comment number 4.

    https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8394168.stm

    The eco-fascists must be getting pretty desperate if they are forced to scientifically stoop so low as the above link in their attempt to portray the potential dangers of Carbon Dioxide. All the alleged experiment proves is that Carbon Dioxide has a lower " specific heat capacity " than common air. We covered this in the first three years of early 1970s secondary school physics, just forgot the precise experiments we did but it was established that water by a long way had the highest specific heat capacity ( 4,200 kj / degree C ? )

    Given that Carbon Dioxide makes up far less than 1% of our air including man's contribution it can hardly be a major problem.

  • Comment number 5.

    iraq inquiry

    given the astonishing testimony of the sheer incompetence of HMG in Iraq why does NN ignore it given many of the same attitudes exist in the afghanistan campaign?

    in the testimony of Lt Gen Sir Frederick Viggers & Lt Gen Andrew Figgures one of the 'lessons' of iraq was that there should have been a minister for iraq at cabinet level to co ordinate policy. so why is there no minister for afghanistan? clearly it is not a lesson learnt.

    we also learn
    the uk had no feel for the political or social makeup of the country
    military commanders were obliged to make it up as they went along while there was a civilian vacuum
    the ideological bent of the americans made them do punitive things that gave them a short term feel good but wrecked things long term e.g Bremmer de baath the administration because 'these guys had been shooting at our boys'. every doctor every teacher was obliged to be in the baath party. so in effect it would mean a whole new generation of teachers and doctors would have to be created who had never been in the baath party. given it takes 7 years to train a doctor....

    what the iraq inquiry demonstrates is that there is no science of nation building.

    which also explains why afghanistan is a mess. and likely to remain that way.

    the magnitude of the incompetence of the Blair government is astounding.

  • Comment number 6.

    BLAIR WAS THE 'BLINKY' * OF WESTMINSTER'S POLLUTED PIT (#5)

    "the magnitude of the incompetence of the Blair government is astounding."

    Was it not that 'Blinky Blair' swam so easily in that fetid swamp, that it didn't matter what he did, he just could not fail. Poignantly, his luck with the political 'weather' was analogous to the luck of the bankers. Such Irony that Blair would have HUNG ON AND SUNK, had not Brown forced his flipper.

    And now, he floats the world as 'New Faith' but in what?

    * Blinky is a triple eyed mutant fish, who evolved in the outflow from Monty Burns' Springfield Nuclear Power Plant.

  • Comment number 7.

    'SCIENTIST Dr MAGGIE ALDERIN-POCOCK' (#4 link)

    Oh - I could cry. If that is a scientist doing science, I know where I went wrong. I wasn't doing anything LIKE that.

    What in the name of glory is going on? Must EVERYTHING be cock-eyed from now on?

  • Comment number 8.

    iraq inquiry

    if anything the evidence from Sir Hilary Synnott, Lt Gen Lamb & Maj Gen Andrew Stewart is even more damming of the Govt's attitude to occupation.

    the british representative for the british sector's only mean of communication to the Pm was through a yahoo account. The head of the JIC did not know there were no secure comms. Cabinet ministers were boasting the south would become an example of how to nation build when it was the usa providing all the money and resources [which narked them off]. the list goes on.

    what an ego trip the blair govt were on. writing cheques they couldn't cash.

  • Comment number 9.

    barrie #7

    The BBC's treachery on climate change propaganda doesn't end there, take BBC1 climate change propaganda programme " Hot Earth " from Wednesday 22:45. Fair enough the presenter stated that CO2 had traditionally not exceeded 280 parts per million so they measured the current figure live on air. The trouble is they did it in the basket of a hot air balloon after gaining height using the burner. They recorded 380 parts per million but just how much that was skewed by the CO2 rich exhaust gas from the burner leaking down from the open bottom of the balloon envelope is unclear ?

  • Comment number 10.

    #3 of 20th December Roger said

    "We need a strategy on 3 factors.
    Reduced birthrates now to ensure reduced consumption in long term 40-50 years.
    Resolve the climate issue so we know what it is doing and it relationship with ecological systems. This is the 8-20 year scenario.
    The most important is the ecological system collapse. Consumption must decrease to preserve the ecological life support systems.

    Agree the need for these strategies, but human birthrate is adding 2.6million more mouths to feed every year and population projected to reach 9 billion by 2040 (from 2 billion when I was born) so how can consumption decrease with increased population, most of whom are striving to achieve western standards of living?
    Whether or not man is responsible for global warming, there can be no doubt that homosap is responsible for the eco damage, plundering land and sea, destroying rain forests, non-sustainable mining and fishing.

    UN has denied examination of this prime 'smoking gun' by not allowing population to be on the agenda at this major international CON, and
    "after two days of tense discussion in Brussels, EU leaders have agreed to pay almost £7bn over the next three years to help developing nations adapt to climate change."

    With this denial of population explosion (lest it offends the gods) we must presume that there will be no direction of the funding towards family planning programmes as part of adapting. So we in the EU can look forward to paying even higher taxes for 'developing' nations, and to even more of their populations arriving as refugees escaping climate change.

    If I was of a cynical disposition I might even believe that this is all one grand plan to lower our living standards to that of India and Africa, rather than legislate against 'growth'in consumerism; another religion that must not be sacrificed by order of the great God Mammon.

  • Comment number 11.

    #5/8
    "what the iraq inquiry demonstrates is that there is no science of nation building" but our government has managed to create a science and an art out of nation destruction, both at home and overseas.
    #2/3
    "Section 44 does not prohibit the taking of photographs, film or digital images in an authorised area and members of the public and the press should not be prevented from doing so." So will all streets and locations now need nameplates stating whether they are Authorised Areas or Non-authorised Areas? Another example of the all-confining Nanny State, which from my perspective has worsened our society. My first job was as a Fleet Street photographer, when erecting large plate cameras on tripods, with rising front and back, and popping off flash-bulbs from beneath a black cloak attracted attention from passers-by, but never from coppers. Smile please.

  • Comment number 12.

    Slightly shocked to see Newsnight giving the Knox family free publicity for their pending appeal.

    Why did we get several minutes of a story putting Amanda Knox's case, with her father reinforcing that case without hearing anything from the victim's family.

    Unless the Kercher family, who have been dignified and honest throughout this difficult time, were also allowed to have a say, it doesn't seem right for the Beeb to broadcast a one-sided story.

    Someone was murdered. The facts of the case were heard in a court of law and the guilty have been sentenced. The BBC should respect that and be more circumspect about how they report the aftermath, especially given that appeals may be pending.


  • Comment number 13.

    #10
    Indignantindigene

    What you're talking about in this post could be described as attempts to bring the society down to the lowest common denominator, something the Soviet communists tried to do for the most part of the last century but in the end failed miserably with eggs on their faces. However, there still seem to have 'survived' a few remnants hoping to restore their 'hold' on what they consider 'lesser' and unworthy creatures of their own 'superior' brains.

    By the process of duping, they have attached themselves to Labour as the nearest available ideological option with the almost disastrous consequences for the future of this country.

    As we can see, most other countries are now recovering but, with the old style communists still holding on to the buttons in the UK, no wonder this country is finding it difficult to shake off the consequences of their dirty tricks. That's why an election should be called ASAP!

    mim

  • Comment number 14.

    #13 addendum

    The communists described above have been using Vladimir Putin till now but it looks like he is wisening up, hopefully. He must surely realise that there is no way communism could possibly be restored again.

    mim

  • Comment number 15.

    And on reflection, one other thing.

    This is why they couldn't wait to get rid of Tony Blair, as per barriesingleton's posts, and now trying desperately to keep the power hungry Brown in place who really is only a puppet in their hands. The guy doesn't make any sense at all any more.

    And what's his thing about 'boilers'? Does it bear any reference to Susan Boyle, for example?

    How David Mellor got himself involved in all this sends shivers down my spine. He probably hasn't quite yet clicked on.

    Mad, mad, mad, that's what I say.

    mim

  • Comment number 16.

    Lol, I'm sure my twirling would be the same
    Without that absurd, mad experiment
    It's the power of love that drives me along
    And not pins and needles being stuck on and on.

    The doubles were there throwing their weight
    That’s why I refuse to see what they've 'made'
    Of all the news and discussions on Newsnight
    Preferring the real, normal and bright kind of light.

    mim

  • Comment number 17.

    And, before withdrawing for a few hours' sleep, I'd like to add that it is a possiblity that the people I'm talking about above may have thought that deep down there's a hidden communist in me which has obviously never been the case, neither in my youth when still in Poland nor since coming to this country.

    I have met people with communist past here, like History Professor, Mr Levy, whose first name I may never have even known. He wrote my reference for the University but only because he was the father of a friend of a friend and at that time I didn't know anybody else he could write the reference for me.

    Up to that time I had only worked in a Bistro in Putney and, although I did meet quite a few well known people there none of them seemed qualified academically enough to help me out with the reference.

    Little did I realise at the time what trouble that reference would bring for me later on.

    mim

  • Comment number 18.

    Well Martha seemed mind full of the smile
    I'm mindful of being kept up all night by dogs

    Have to investigate tomorrow
    bleary eyed.

    Mr knox was not foxy but almost curt he
    has a good mind

    good to have such a father. BUT...

  • Comment number 19.

    Its all in the name isn't it
    really

    Tiger Woods

    Tigers Wood

    mim I'm having to listen to some matalic trance music through my
    ragged old Cyprus Airways earphones but no stolen bones.

  • Comment number 20.

    Lol, the hours I've slept have been restful and good
    So I'm feeling fine and have had some food
    In the form of a banana and lemon taste yoghurt
    With sips of black coffee, a drink from my youth.

    I shall now proceed to check on the news
    And see whether there are some positive clues
    In the unravelling of the 'unrecognisable' communist forces
    I spoke of last night on the Newsnight blog pages.

  • Comment number 21.

    On the BBC News Front Page, right at the bottom in the middle, there is an item under the title '10 things' with a photo of Cary Grant who apparently helped promote pink for men to wear:

    https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8401742.stm

    Interestingly enough, yesterday I saw a tall young man, still a teenager, wearing a bright pink T-shirt. He looked great!

  • Comment number 22.

    Radio Station France 24 yesterday consecrated its transmission to Poland.
    Among the guests was the Finance Minister whose first name is Jack.
    Rostowski is his surname. By the way, I’ve just listened to a song called 'Suzanne'
    Sung by Aga whose surname is Zaryan, written by Cohen, helped by a black
    Musician whose first name is Munyungo while his surname Jack-
    -Son. Now, the Minister said to the listeners that Poland escaped the recession
    Due to its liberal policies as against governmental protection.

    Poland indeed is the only country in Europe, if not in the world, that avoided the problem
    Of emptying its coffers, one could say its wallet,
    Looking now to progress and its further growth
    Which gives me a feeling of much loved by me warmth.

    There still remains, however, the question of climate
    But as Poland's economy still relies on coal
    There is no alternative, the Minister has told,
    Until nuclear stations in Poland are built.

    That's why they are arguing for sensible restraint
    In cutting the emissions to 20%.

    mim

  • Comment number 23.

    12..Slightly shocked to see Newsnight giving the Knox family free publicity for their pending appeal.

    stick around. it will no longer shock as NN is being taken in a Trisha/good morning comfy sofa direction.
    where the obvious serious topics are avoided and we get stories to stir 'feelings' for no useful reason. So its mother of this case or family of that with 10 mins of 'feelings', usually as first story, as NN try to whisk a water of a story into a thick cream.

    a mother will nearly always defend their children no matter what wickedness they have done. its not a serious news story.

    so how can this happen? one might speculate that if you are pro climate change narrative, pro war on terror narrative, pro iraq invasion narrative, pro labour narrative there are stories you really do not want to cover.

    if investigative journalism is deemed too expensive then what are you left with? mother speaks for child stories? fashion stories? women who lunch stories? travel stories?

    so really NN may have painted themselves into a corner and rather than meat and two veg news the diet we can expect is a light salad?

    every now and then there will be a bit of meat but don't expect chips.

  • Comment number 24.

    6. At 9:11pm on 11 Dec 2009, barriesingleton wrote:
    BLAIR WAS THE 'BLINKY' * OF WESTMINSTER'S POLLUTED PIT (#5)
    "the magnitude of the incompetence of the Blair government is astounding."


    Comes to a pretty pass when one views incompetence as at least preferable to rank dishonesty in trying to 'run' things. Especially when there is an aim in mind that requires things to fit subsequently. And ensure it gets 'reported' upon in the 'correct' way to ensure events are interpreted by the public as they should.

    From Mr. Blair on finding reasons to invade Iraq, FaceBook finding reasons to improve its privacy settings to 'scientists' finding novel ways to prove stuff, there seem to be numbers and some numbers that are more equal than others.

    Shame that in certain quarters that does not warrant cranking an eyebrow, perhaps because in those same quarters careers are funded by those quite happy to suggest that questions are not viewed as being 'a team player'. With all the consequences that can ensue.

  • Comment number 25.

    iraq inquiry

    maybe this is why the bbc doesn't want to cover it.

    a british general says he invited al jazeera to embed because they reported what they saw. he refused to have the BBC because they only reported what they want the people in the uk to hear.

    the quote is at about 47 mins into the second vid afternoon session [bottom of page]

    https://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/transcripts/oralevidence-bydate/091209.aspx

    the previous 5 or so mins deals with the propaganda war. london kept asking for good news stories for uk daily headlines. the generals said the bad news drowned out the good and that AQ are masters of propaganda and that in iraq people are judged by what they did not what they said.

    which explains Nulabours failure as they believe politics is driven by achieving headlines and not by what you do.

    bit of a damming statement about bbc?

  • Comment number 26.

    WE MIGHT HAVE TO BOMB ITALY (#12)

    Or did we lose that right to 'Lisbon'?

    Surely if we can bomb Johnnie Foreigner for not being nice (in our terms) - Gospel of St Blair - we can sneer at his judicial system? After all, British Justice works like a Swiss watch. Oh - what have I said!

    Anyway - we have an monarch, so there!

  • Comment number 27.

    TIME AND THE DILUTION OF GUILT (#25)

    We are living in 'tangled-web' times. We apologise for slavery etc; our part in rendition fades rapidly, and individual sexual misdemeanour is resurrected, after decades, to be justly punished.

    Who writes the rules? Might there be a lack of wisdom underlying all this?

    I suspect Jaunty's 'damned BBC' is symptomatic of our damnable culture. Will St Tony manage a 'second coming' and save us all with his certainty?

  • Comment number 28.

    27

    if journalists are under editorial control not to report things they see but only what they think we [which 'we'?] want to hear then its not a news service?

    news then become not reporting facts [and letting the public make up their mind] but a creative imagination psycho drama.

    like scientists, journalists also take no oath 'to do no harm'?

  • Comment number 29.

    tony says he would have invaded iraq anyway.

    the error is the lack of a nation building plan and the money to fund it. so the question is was it not irresponsible to invade a country with no plan, no funding and no one minister responsible for 'nation building'.

    from the iraq inquiry we learn the only minister who comes out with any credit [so far] is hillary benn who actually cut through the red tape.

    one complaint from those holding the baby was that the uk was not 'at war' and so all the health and safety duty of care stuff kept blocking progress. The police would not send any officers out [even volunteers] because of health and saftey yet to uk shame other countries had sent out police forces [the danes etc]. the uk seemed crippled by this sort of thinking when other countries were not. Difid refused to send people out further than Kuwait because it was 'too dangerous' even though neither the british representative [which made him furious] nor the commanding general in basra were consulted about it. so what did they base it on? the daily mail headlines?

    with all this material coming you could make a great 6 part drama of 90 mins shows about this whole fiasco.

  • Comment number 30.

    #23
    only until you haven't been removed, jauntycyclist
    you haven't long to go now so make full use of it until you can

  • Comment number 31.

    Yesterday I mentioned that the Whitehouse were following the development of our exchanges on these pages but I have a sneaky suspicion that it is not only the Whitehouse you take interest in them.

    It is just possible that the Russians have become curious, and the French and Asian leaders, and the South Americans, and Israelis, and the Africans, you name them I think we've captured their imagination.

    good luck, jauntycyclist and co

  • Comment number 32.

    #23 jaunty
    Tiger, Tiger Turning Trite

    "stick around. it will no longer shock as NN is being taken in a Trisha/good morning comfy sofa direction" It's almost there!

    Main BBC 'News' item this morning was sports psychologist giving his take on the Tiger Woods affair(s). To me, golf and golfers are about the most boring things to watch or be holed-up by. The psychologists should turn their attention to those who buy products because they are sponsored by 'celebs'. In my logic I make a point of NOT buying anything they endorse, knowing that it is hardly an impartial recommendation, and their million dollar sponsor fee is inflating the price. Do the gullible really think that a man who has perfected the unnecessary 'art' of knocking small balls into slightly larger holes is therefor an authority on razor blades or sunglasses?

    However, it is somewhat less boring to read newspaper headlines on Tiger's downfall, such as his quote 'I have let my family down, and let my wife down' to which the Sun added 'and he has let his trousers down!"

  • Comment number 33.

    Brossen and Barrie

    Sorry i can't get on with the scientist in the clip. It's something about TV scientists have to be in the frame of Magnus Pike or Heinz Wolfe. She is pretty toned down in the clip. I have seen her many times each time worse than the clip.

    Some affectation that to be a scientist you have to be some eccentric barmpot.

    Brossen, what you are referring to is specific heat capacity(SHC). When you put energy into a medium. heat is the increased vibration of the atoms or molecules.

    water has the highest SHC. It requires more energy to get it's molecules vibrating. Therefore for every degree rise in temp it requires more energy input, as you say but also 4.18 joules per gram Kelvin = 1 calorie.

    Every gram of water requires 4.18 joules to raise it 1c.

    Forget all that.

    In climate change it is different with regard to CO2. It is not the SHC vibration of atoms or molecules. It is what goes on in the atom molecule.

    Radiative energy from the sun passes through the atmosphere, some is absorbed and some reflected back into space. The reflected energy is degraded. It has a longer wave length than the incoming radiation.

    Certain discrete wavelengths of this energy are absorbed by the carbon dioxide molecule. As this energy as a simple analogy resonates with the bonds between the atoms. Like a low frequency vibration can make a window resonate while a car will not.

    The energy from the electromagnetic radiation causes the molecule to twist and vibrate in a number of ways. This energy being suggested to be transferred as heat. But that is a whole other area to explore.

    That CO2 can absorb energy reflected from the earth is not in any dispute. It is how that fits in with everything else.

    In the science experiment the scientist did. If water vapour was introduced the temperature would have gone up. Water vapour also being a greenhouse house. It may have absorbed in a slightly different part of the electromagnetic spectrum, due to the carbon atom being replaced by hydrogen, but as it was a broad spectrum lamp the temperature would have still risen. So the scientist didn't contribute anything to the debate.

    Celtic Lion

  • Comment number 34.

    THEY ULTIMATELY NAILED AL CAPONE FOR TAX EVASION, NOT HIS EVIL DOING.

    Is Tony still in the UK?

  • Comment number 35.

    mimpromptu

    The burden of proof lies with you im afraid, why would the whitehouse be interested in you & the NN blog? Answer = they would'nt, so its a false statement.

    How about taking a break from the NN blog for a while? It would probably do you some good?

  • Comment number 36.

    Nos 19 & Nos 20 - mim

    Ive have been referred and am currently lost in the woods. Next door neighbour admitted to hospital and dogs under control. Just hoping a tiger doesn't get me because I need to find some sleep.

    Re the students seriously, its been going on for many years. Its about money they don't care about being able to speak English I was aware of this since at least 15 years ago. Nothing new. Everything boils down to how we are corrupted, distorted and deluded by money, when shall we invent something else ?

  • Comment number 37.

    Nos 35

    Newsnight is an important BBC program and its likely that the US and other authorities will look at these blogs. Your questioning is of fair articulation.

  • Comment number 38.

    #37 Streetphotobeing

    Fully agree these blogs will be read.

  • Comment number 39.

    #35
    red eye it'd

    You have not given a good reason, never mind a proof, why the Whitehouse wouldn't be interested in what's going on here. You seem interested, why shouldn't they. If think my posts are stupid then don't read them.

    Fat chance, me giving up on posting my thoughts and observations.

  • Comment number 40.

    No 39

    Hope you have a good sleep. I could do with some myself but am out and about so it'll have to wait until later.

    Excellent news about the dogs.

    mim

  • Comment number 41.

    Auntie Beeb has lost her appeal. She spoon fed us her thoughts and news for years whilst her big knockers gave us comfort, we'll always be safe and nourished with our Auntie beeb. Sadly the truth was unveiled to me some time ago when I caught her down the back ally (I was getting my ball) she was up against a back wall with a dirty old man who was hoping for a knee trembler...she needed to meet the rent apparently. I still acknowledge her with a nod from time to time like you would do with an old neighbour but keep your distance because you don't want to be associated with a dirty old hussy who tells you lies.

    Thank God for the internet.

    It's good to see the man made global warming claim is falling apart at the seams, though you would not think so if you only watched the BBC news. The BBC are doing what Marks and spencers did as retailers a number of years ago; they believed in their own importance and brand without looking around and seeing what the competition were doing...they ended up on life support. Has Auntie Boob got Bupa?

  • Comment number 42.

    streetphoto @ wrote

    "Newsnight is an important BBC program and its likely that the US and other authorities will look at these blogs. Your questioning is of fair articulation."

    yeah.. if delusions of grandeur is what gets you through the day.

    cookieducker

  • Comment number 43.

    VAZ STILL DOESN'T GET THE POINT
    NN's first item "Richard Watson has new revelations on the chaos in the student work visa system" confirmed the utter chaos and sham of the student visa system that NN revealed a month ago on November 12th, following which on 13th Nov I blogged my findings, based on substantial practical experience of challenging student visa cases.

    In last night's NN interview Minister Vaz admitted massive failures and kept repeating 'what was needed' to correct this continuing Home Office charade. Is he a member of government, or just an innocent bystander?
    Either way, from his diatribe he is clearly unaware (concealing?)the realities of this major source of disguised immigration, for that is what it is on a massive scale.

    My earlier post is at #71. At 1:53pm on 13 Nov 2009. IN brief:

    The points system for students is simply:
    Get a letter from a 'college'; which may as stated be an office over a chip shop with no credentials (and usually owned, managed and staffed by previous immigrants) = 30 points;
    Produce a bank statement with funds to cover travel, fees, and £600 per month of tuition for food and board (£800 in London) = 10 points.
    BINGO you have 40 points.
    ADVANCE TO UK, having applied for the visa online - interview was not required by any of my students.

    The students shown in last night's NN were obviously expecting paid 'work experience' of 20 hours per week, and did not have the funds required for food and board; another area of fraudulent cash transfers?.

    The 'lucky' students who find work get minimum wage (even if higher qaulified) and often get more hours than the permitted 20/week, either through dishonest employers, or by working for two employers; it does not have to be employment relevant to the course, any supermarket will do.

    The UK Border staff at airport terminals can hardly be expected to check every entrant: the control must be on Visa Issue in each country.
    How can Gordo's 'tougher immigration policy' result from such a weak and flawed system? Not designed to foster British Jobs for British Workers, so Unfit for Purpose again.

    One answer may be found in watching BBC Parliament TV channel, which often covers so-called cross-party committees, such as Vaz chairs.
    Usually the camera shows a conference table with some 60 places (set with papers, water jugs etc) often with just 1 person addressing only 1 or 2 attendees. Not much room for constructive debate there. Fade out to Neil Diamond singing 'I am I cried, but nobody heard - not even the chair.'
    Time for NN to consider a Vazectomy.

  • Comment number 44.

    iraq inquiry

    Sir John Sawers [as if a warm up man?] in his first part evidence kept repeating the mantra 'saddam did not care about the iraqi people'. which is why WE took action?

    seems tony did not care enough about them to have a 'nation building plan'? which is quite a failure of the duty of care given Colin Powell's 'if you break it you own it' quip?

    the failure of which means 6 years later iraqis are still being blown up by the hundred while Tony is off around the world filling his boots. can someone ask the iraqis if they feel Tony 'cares about the iraqi people'?

    why is tony coming out now with a new range of 'answers' about iraq after being silent for so long? is he worried by the evidence so far?

    Sir John Sawers said there were links between the iraqi policy and israel palestine policy. he said the arabs were more worried about israel palestine than iraq.

    he talks about the uk having 'a contract' with the iraqi people?
    he said tony 'believed the intelligence'.
    the importance of the 'serbian model' in the thinking about iraq comes out in the talks. which sawers talks of as a 'success'.

    so after sierra leone and the balkans did they think they were on a roll?

  • Comment number 45.

    Jauntycyclist, cookie, brossen, redeye, barriesingleton:

    may I suggest a talent/genius scale between 1 and 16?

    where would you place yourselves and how would you justify your position?

    please cite also specific achievements attained

  • Comment number 46.

    POOR TONY HAS NEVER BELIEVED ANYTHING - HE IS A DESPERATE CHILD (#44)

    "he (Sir John Sawers) said tony 'believed the intelligence'.

    An odd assertion, since Tony didn't even know WHAT THE INTELLIGENCE AMOUNTED TO, having been told: pathetic, wobbly and crass, he transposed it to: DOOM DOOM and DOOM.

    The one good thing about Blair is you can be in no doubt his supporters are either fools or knaves. No one with an ounce of perception could doubt his deviousness (to spot the needy boy, takes a little more nous).

    Now we have Obama doing the whole Tony thing again: God, self-belief and Just War. We are such a sad bunch to fall for charisma and rhetoric EVERY TIME.




























  • Comment number 47.

    I watched the piece about the students here on study visas, did I hear one man saying that they had a right to work here, and why weren't jobs found for them as a priority.

    I presume all these men, they were mainly men, will be able to stay here, once they have acquired some type of "degree". Because if any should want to claim asylum multiple times it seems our system is in place for them.

    https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/173

  • Comment number 48.

    MIND THE GAP (#46)

    Sorry about the overrun. I am wearing my fleece and it holds down the 'enter' key (I am half-in a cupboard). I suppose I should run the cursor back up with the back-space )or whater it is called in cool-speak.

    Sorry again.

  • Comment number 49.

  • Comment number 50.

    for someone who is head of mi6 it sounded a bit propagandist and self congratulationist especially with the unnecessary RAND quote at the end? quite funny that chilcott icily congratulated him for getting 'the quote' on the record.

    if the govt likes RAND do they like this RAND report?

    ...U.S. Should Rethink "War On Terrorism" Strategy to Deal with Resurgent Al Qaida.

    In looking at how other terrorist groups have ended, the RAND study found that most terrorist groups end either because they join the political process, or because local police and intelligence efforts arrest or kill key members. Police and intelligence agencies, rather than the military, should be the tip of the spear against al Qaida in most of the world, and the United States should abandon the use of the phrase "war on terrorism," researchers concluded.

    Military force was effective in only 7 percent of the cases examined....

    https://www.rand.org/news/press/2008/07/29/


    ...Police and intelligence agencies, rather than the military,... not really the message they give us is it?

  • Comment number 51.

    amendment to #43
    Incorrectly titled Minister Vaz: the following details from wikpedia:

    "On 11 June 2001 Vaz was officially dismissed from his post as Europe Minister, to be replaced by Peter Hain. In July 2007 Vaz was appointed chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee. The appointment caused an outcry at the time since select committee members are usually proposed by the committee of selection, but Vaz was the only nomination made by Commons leader Harriet Harman." Further details available at:-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Vaz

  • Comment number 52.

    #50

    jaunty

    you seem to be obsessed with terrrorism, the Police, manipulation of the BBC and Newsnight in particular. Are you taking an active part in all of this?

    You still haven't replied to my question whether you consider yourself to be a genius.

  • Comment number 53.

    #51

    Roger

    Keith Vaz strikes me as one of the most sensible MPs around, especially on Labour side.

    mim

  • Comment number 54.

    Lol, Tim's case is coming up in court this week
    And it'll be interesting to see what the result is going to be.
    At least this time the Police were prepared to listen to my suspicion
    Of foul game causing his death by poison.

    Earlier today Idid go to Qeen's but it was too crowded for me to skate
    But.I did see a show for NSPCC which was touchingly great

    After what jaunty said on these pages I feel put off to see what was said
    Though may have a peek how Martha behaxed and how she there fared.

    mim

  • Comment number 55.

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  • Comment number 56.

    Politicians have the advantage that most people have really short memories, was it not the case that almost everything in Vaz's past was bent as a nine bob note long before the expenses scandal ?

  • Comment number 57.

    Nos 54 - mim

    That sounds a positive about your friend who was homeless if I recall correctly.

    Was just watching Amarcord - wonderful.

  • Comment number 58.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 59.

    #41
    cooking kevesey
    Is that where you get your kicks, in black alleys with aunties?
    Where's your wife and where are your children?

  • Comment number 60.

    kevesey

    Is that you who stirred things towards Keith Vaz so you can now claim to be him? It's a good name, Keith Vaz, I must say, If
    interpreted 'appropriately, it could stand both for the 'key', which in itself could be interpreted in most interesting ways, including you know what /as per Leonard Cohen's 'Light as the Breeze' I think it is, and then Vaz for Victory.

  • Comment number 61.

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  • Comment number 62.

    I've just found the following piece of news on the BBC Homepage re: a 'planned marriage' of a couple of people. I wonder if the World Church of Churches have a particular couple in mind?

    It's a shame that my Grandma's half-brother, Professor and Priest Andrzej Zuberbier who played such an important role in the organisation, died tragically in a car accident and so will not be able to witness the event. I don't know why but I keep it in mind that he may have been pushed...

    Monika

    P.S. If there ever had been a priest true to his faith it must have been him, from what I know at least. Modest, living in a simple flat in a 15-storey high rise block in the centre of Warsaw, helping his troubled sister, niece and her daughter, never telling anybody off for having lost their faith, etc

  • Comment number 63.

    #62 apologies for having forgotten the link:

    https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8410356.stm

  • Comment number 64.

    #63 addendum

    As Queen Margarethe of Denmark is mentioned in the link, may I recommend who those who haven't read Jeremy Paxman's book 'On Royalty' to do so? He tells a lovely story of Queen Margarethe after having met her in person in Denmark, as well plenty of other stories about European monarchies, including obviously The British Royal Family.

    I cannot recommend the book too highly. It's not only very imformative but also a brilliant and entertainng read!

    Monika

  • Comment number 65.

    And to prove that I'm not talking porkys, here is a link about my Great Uncle, Professor of Theology and author of several books, Andrzej Zuberbier:

    [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]

    Unfortunately most of the links are in Polish and the internet translations are not very good.

  • Comment number 66.

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  • Comment number 67.

    It looks like the mods are going to reject no 66 in which I'm suggesting to contemplate Leonard Cohen's song 'Vilanelle for our Time' which could be an addition to my no 62 incorporating those who are not necessarily God believers but do believe in humanity and the soul.

    mim

  • Comment number 68.

    Lol

    It's amazing how many of Leonard Cohen's universally applicable songs could in fact be sung by a female, like the one 'There for You' for example where among other things he talks about something about freezing in the streets, etc.

    mim

  • Comment number 69.

    :o) Jeremy is GRADE A STAR QUALITY at the BBC

    Source: https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6954566.ece

  • Comment number 70.

    #69
    Mistress76uk

    Goes without saying that Jeremy would be highly placed on any such list but the whole thing is absurd.

    How does one compare Delia Smith to Michael Pailin, or even Michael to Jeremy? They are all different working in different fields with each having made outstanding contributions and who have, in fact, become icons in the fabric of the society at large.

    How much each is paid is another matter but salaries in the order of £6 million or more do seem like an exaggeration for a few hours spent on a sofa having 'fun'.

  • Comment number 71.

    Barrie

    You raised the point some months back as to whether the methane desposits were included in the models.

    My answer was from memory they were not. The full technical specification for the climate models ran to over 1000 pages and I just had to rely on reading them a few years previous.

    My answer was based on that as the methane deposits were unquantified they could not be included in the model as there was no known value.

    https://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5imWhKGmZBsBlyG5-14qU25zpSqhgD9CHTH7O2

    The press release today should add to my previous answer.

    Celtic Lion

  • Comment number 72.

    Purely speculating, but, perhaps it is actually done on people who are the most appealing to audiences. To me, Delia Smith/Sophie Raworth etc aren't appealing at all. I prefer Nigella :p. I hardly consider the all those listed in the article as "icons in the fabric of society at large" either.

  • Comment number 73.

    #72

    But they are. I know all kinds of people and catering establishments that rely on Delia. I do think that Nigella is great as well as a cook, entertainer and a personality but you can't take anything from Delia's qualities and her contribution to cooking standards because of Nigella.

  • Comment number 74.

  • Comment number 75.

    Rely on Delia? Why? Does she own the catering companies? She's unappealing to me :p Nor do I like her style of cooking (normally invloving copious amounts of butter/cream/sugar/booze) - gross.

    Kate Humble - who is she???I had to google her to find out - still didn't recognise her :p , and since when has Sophie Raworth (again had to google her) been a cultural icon?

    I agree with most of the list, but would have added David Dimbleby, David Attenborough, James Corden, Matthew Horne, David Walliams to the top tier as well.

  • Comment number 76.

    The continueing Islamification of England?

    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/145770/Sharia-law-sneaked-into-Labour-Budget

    Well if there's money to made, donesn't matter about any moral regard, Labour are straight in there! I'll never vote Labour again, ever!

  • Comment number 77.

    This in the news today.

    https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8410335.stm

    Perhaps the application of a modicum of common sense SHOULD be applauded. Sadly, the whole system of 'child/vulnerable adult protection is pointless paperwork overload.

    In reality it does more to protect the adult than the child. It is at best ineffective and serves nothing more than to deter those with something worthwhile to give because of a culture of blame, widespread malevolence, lack of individual responsibility

    And hey, guess what, people get paid for processing all that paperwork!!!!! It's a commercial opportunity no less and certainly no more!

    That same paperwork is duplicated for the same individual who may be likely to be an employee or volunteer in many groups. I could paper my reasonably sized home in CRB/disclosure certificates. I have two for s
    doing the exact same job, in the exact same place, for the exact same mployer, meeting the exact same children but administrered at different times of the year by two separate bodies. That way madness lies.


    BUT THEN, I read this, and decided Common sense has, after all, been laid to rest.

    "'''''And parents who host children on exchange visits of less than 28 days will no longer need to register. "


    RIGHT. So there is no need to check when a child is being left for up to one month in essentially the home of strangers, behind closed doors. Now let's think. Where does MOST abuse take place? Oh yeah, within the FAMILY HOME"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    GOOD MOVE ballsey baby!

  • Comment number 78.

    A TIME TO DIE (#71)

    I am beyond anthropogenic gas Celtic - even excess anthropogenic anthropoids - I am convinced the problem is anthropogenic madness. We have become Global Lemmings, all encountering one another too frequently for comfort, and driving ourselves, collectively, mad. I have no doubt, somewhere, as part of 'Reality TV' we are even building the largest man-made cliff - ever - TO JUMP OFF.

    Strangely prescient - some wag in West London, decades ago, wrote on an M4 pillar (to be read on the A4, Chiswick) "GOOD MORNING LEMMINGS".

    There ya go.

  • Comment number 79.

  • Comment number 80.

    #75
    m76uk

    I was particularly concerned with you slugging off Delia. Once I cook I cook, like Delia using aall the rich and alcoholic ingredients you mention. The fact that you don't like her doesn't mean her recipes are not widely copied in many a place. She is an icon.

  • Comment number 81.

    SHARIA COMPLIANT UK FINANCE - THAT WILL COST AN ARM AND A LEG (#76)

    Hi Eco. Isn't there some fiddle the Muslims use to get round the impropriety of interest? So now they will have to invent a way to pay obscene bonuses. You might have noticed, bonuses are now called 'compensation' AND THAT SAID WITH A STRAIGHT FACE! So a Sharia compliant obscene compensation, will need some crafty sod to apply his devious wits. Does Ala(h)stair 'do Alah'?

  • Comment number 82.

    No 77

    Yes, Brightyangthing, I only saw the headline this morning but even the way it was construed sent shivers down my spine .
    Good to see you back bloggging again.

    mim

  • Comment number 83.

    YANG ON THE BELL NELLY (#77)

    Steady BYG! Too much common sense and God will disappear in a puff of logic. Where will Pope Tone be then? He'll be down to just two: Yahweh and Allah, That's not much od a foundation is it? And I'm not sure they have as much time for him as Old Beardy.

  • Comment number 84.

    @ Mim #80 - firstly the word you are looking for is "slagging" not "slugging" and secondly I do not rate Delia Smith at all, even though you might. I hope you don't cook like that all the time - you'll end up with a coronary!

  • Comment number 85.

    no 74

    m76uk

    I used slugging on purpose but thank you, constructive criticism is always welcome as far as i am concerned.

    Now, I eat at least a couple of full fat yoghurt large tabs every day. I only drink full fat milk and quite a bit of it as well. Four pints every few days. Quite frequently I"ll have chips and ice cream sprinked with either Jamaican rum or amaretto and I can"t complain at all about lack of fitness or having any problems with weight.

    mim

  • Comment number 86.

    No 76

    Ecolizzy

    That's how millions of voters must be feeling about Labour these days.

    It's a well known fact that I'm running a democratic active campaign against the current government largely for personal reasons but which has now developed into a bigger thing due to their incompetence in running the UK.

    mim

  • Comment number 87.

    ecolizzy:

    There should be a law against socialists from even entering the UK political arena, they're too good at spending other peoples money. Also, once ousted from Govt, Labour ministers who were responsible for allowing uncontrolled immigration and fostering the balkanisation of these Islands - threatening the already settled immigrant population as well as pushing the indiginous populations tolerance level to the hilt - should all be taken to task for this very foolish and dangerous policy; a policy born out of the belief that different cultures can somehow live on a crowded Island, a naive Far-left thinking that came out of the 60/70s polytechnics, that we are all the same and are all part of the 'brotherhood of man'.. that we can somehow live under the multicultural rainbowed brolly...the lefty wefties don't read history except 'the great works and policies of Stalinist Russia'. As well as leaving the contry in financial ruin, Labours legacy has also seen the rise of nationalistic sentiment, the BNP will win seats in parliment at the next election...and I'm in two minds about that.
    Population control, clmate change ect and New World Order: Alex Jones .

    https://www.youtube.com/user/thealexjoneschannel?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/5/tv9t2Jrvne4


    https://www.youtube.com/user/thealexjoneschannel?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/4/W5HaV_aw8Zw


    cookieducker and er...not keith Vaz. Mim, be careful when listening to L. Cohen, he can mess with your head, especially if one drinks a bottle of wine or two.

  • Comment number 88.

    @ Mim #85 - it is possible to be thin and have a high cholesterol count. Just be careful with the animal fats :o)

  • Comment number 89.

    This was an interesting programme on last night (More 4) unfortunately it is not on 4 on demand.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgnmT-Y_rGQ

  • Comment number 90.

    TIS THE SEASON OF AWARDS AND REVIEWS.

    Perhaps it's time for Newsnight to make as well as receive awards. So, who would your “JERKY KNEE/STABLE DOOR AWARD” go to.

    Mine for TODAY will be shared by Ed (no) Balls (see #77 above) and Mr D Cameron MP. For this.........


    https://page.politicshome.com/uk/cameron_announces_legislation_on_mps_and_peers_tax_status.html

    Your turn!


    p.s.

    Girls, Girls. #69,70,72,73,75,80,84,85,88...............

    Perhaps slagging IS the right word. handbags at dawn ladies????????????????

  • Comment number 91.

    No 88

    Thank you for your advice. The only cholesterol that I have slightly raised is the positive part of it. At 55 I do seem as fit as a fiddle and to celebrate the fact I did some twirling this afternoon to Itzack Perlman playing his fiddle' as well as to a couple of Wesrtern cellos, Susan Boyle's Silent Night, Iranian music, African tunes, Leonard Cohen's Light as the Breeze, Nina Simone's Do I Move You, Elvis Presley's Blue Moon and the aria of the high quality Barber of Seville, Figaro.

    How about yourself, m76uk, what kind of state of health are you?

    mim

  • Comment number 92.

    Unless your a megadeath fan, I've given you a bum steer with above links.

    Alex Jones:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv9t2Jrvne4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5HaV_aw8Zw

    yeah..and like, your gonna watch-um, right.

  • Comment number 93.

    #90

    Another bright idea from you, Brightyangthing!

    Apparently D Cameron is ready for a snap election as well.

    As far as slagging is concerned, I much prefer constructive exchanges with other ladies rather than bag bashing, even when they may seem to be in direct competition.

    And with regard to awards, thigh of a different kind, I was absolutely delighted to hear that Andrzej Wajda was awrded yet another prize for being innovative while already in his eighties in his latest film 'Tatarak' /polish title/ which he collected together with Krystyna Janda in Bochum last night. Isn"t it an inspiration for those with interesting and positive ideas eager to put them into practice?

    mim

  • Comment number 94.

    #92 Kev

    Alex Jones has Ecoscience on the table by Paul Ehrlich, who I posted a link to last week.

  • Comment number 95.

    SPORTING HEROES

    Watching Sports personality

    Off topic but I an so incensed by the act that in running 43 marathons in 51 days, Eddie Izzard raised an amazing £300,000 for charity.

    How much money does a round of golf with Terry Wogan, or 10 minutes in F1 car for Jensen Button, or a few not so 'subtle inNuendo's from Jonathan Ross COST????

    This country's values are ALL WRONG!

  • Comment number 96.

    #92kev This is the article in China Daily referred to in your link:

    https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-12/10/content_9151129.htm

    My earlier blog quoted UN as not allowing population control to be on the agenda at Copenhagen. Will be interested to get reaction to the Chinese proposals in due course.

  • Comment number 97.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 98.

    CONSPIRACY FATIGUE (#92 links)

    Blimey Kev - whatchoo doin to me? I watched both. So the reason I only think of it every 7 minutes (instead of regulation 6) is down to the New World Order drugging me! Fool that I am, I thought it was my age!

    Isn't it time for Alex Jones to be found 'Dead in The Woods'?

  • Comment number 99.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 100.

    The prosecution ruled that Knox and Sollicito had been playing a game that went too far.

    If so, one can assume the murder wasn't premeditated so it would be unlikely the defendents were wearing gloves.

    There was no DNA from Knox in the room or on the body and DNA from Sollicito in one tiny suspect location only and none on the body.

    A bottle of bleach was bought the morning of the discovery.

    But Guede's DNA was all over the room and the body.

    It's a bit of a puzzle to anyone who likes logic.

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