Thursday 8 October 2009

Mr Cameron's full speech is here, for those that missed it.

"It was all about a stronger society, conquering social injustice, combating big government"

Oh dear, it was an appalling, schoolboy, like speech. Who wrote it? It was crafed for a dumbed down population, that's for sure.

Our financial problems began in NYC and London as a consequence of years of erosion of Big Government and regulation in the USA and UK. Central and local governmnt has been staffed by people who can't do their jobs, I suggest, on purpose, in order to facilitate privatisation (see The Post Office union today!). Politicians of all parties have done this for decades and the public has been duped into voting over petty differences beween them as to how much each party wil do the same thing. Surely people can see this? Only a few years ago, Cameron was competing with Brown over as to who could deregulate the most.

The British public is very naive. See the recent NN sample.... :-(

#53 from mimpromptu
Barrie
Thank you. It's good to get a comment from a poet. So far I've only heard from prose writers.
It's true that there is quite a bit of listing in some of Carol Ann Duffy's poems but otherwise the images are vivid and the verse flows.
I'm currently reading her 'Rapture' poems (with no lists). So far I've enjoyed them all. The collection is conceived as a love story that begins and ends but there are also stories within some of the poems themselves, like for example 'Give' in which the unity of time, space, mood, verse and rhyme seem perfectly balanced.
With regard to her recent Royal appointment, I think she'll probably become one of the most outstanding Poet Laureates in the history of the post as she has already done quite a bit in promoting poetry in others rather than just writing the 'required' contribution of her own and I have been told by the Poetry Society that she has donated all the £5,000 to a youth poetry competition.

"Is the "N" word or the "P" word ever acceptable? Carol Thatcher was banished for saying one thing, but Anton keeps on dancing after uttering another thing."

I suggest it's offensive for the same reason that calling someone male of female genitalia is offensive. It's just very odd verbal behaviour if you think about it! What was Anton's partner supposed to say? "So? You dance like a girl!" ? ;-)

PS What's wrong with looking like a Pakistani anyway? Have I missed something?

for me the conference came across a bit weak. like kids rolling down the hill in a home made go cart with shoe leather for brakes [pre health and safety days].

they indulged in their religion of cuts. didn't mention who caused the debt mountain nor convinced me those responsible will quite rightly bear the brunt of 'the pain'.

They are using the bankers inspired debt as a trojan horse to get all their pet troops into the walled city. Apparently govt is useless so lets have more market fundamentalism in public services because that theory the market is the most efficient arranger of resources has been proved so true by the credit crunch? all market fundamentalism delivers is greed.

apparently uk war in afghanistan is necessary so no more camps are formed? given there are training camps all over the world including ones in the uk are we going to invade those too? the attacks in the uk have mainly been by uk citizens that are fired up with motivation without anyone telling them anything they can't read or listen on the internet? so basically the tories are perpetuating the neocon narrative. british blood for no good reason. never mind getting advice from a general who sees the war through a religious perspective? which seems an iflammatory mix?

still under the tories if you have wads of inheritance you'll be all right to go out and do a bit of fox hunting?

#3 continuation
I would make some comments about the event itself this afternoon at the Royal Festival Hall but unfortunately I seemed to have had a few too many unwarranted 'followers' trying to 'make their mark' again so unfortunately I had to leave and I'll carry on leaving places, events, television programmes, etc, until the time when these 'followers' trying to 'make their mark' are stopped. Am still hoping not to have to leave the UK.

I just can't believe that anyone still thinks this is acceptable in 2009, I mean where have they been, clearly another planet? There surely is no-one working within the media industry that doesn't realise how offensive this is, I mean there must be clear Beeb guidelines about this sort of casual racist language and it begs the question that if he is prepared to drop this whilst on air, what on earth does he say in private?

Over many years, things change. I reckon Bruce is right; should we be so sensitive. His comment about 'Limeys' is germain to the argument that when comments are made one must temper one's imagination.
All too often, we are seeing ethnic minorities being vocal whenever anything resembling a 'slur' word is used. I don't like to hear any words like 'Blacks' but that is not now offensive. The terms like 'Golliwog, Paki' and such words tend to refer to the origin of the race, most of the people here now are second or third generation and though their origin is not in doubt, they are British Citizens and should be treated as such.

Bruce reflects on the before time - its a truth and at the same time the reason something had to be done. As said before we see a different value through the filter of change over time.

Bruce does what a lot of elderly people do - pulls the past to the now time without the filters. To do the same to him would be to plaster our values and prejudice that before world. We can't change whats been done or place a gone acceptance on today.

I really REALLY don't like the word 'panties' but it doesn't affect my appreciation of Mr Jay's writings:

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Err mim I apologise for the way I articulated the last post I made referring to you, think I must have been run ragged with the stuff I have to do.

Kirsty

Your dear leader Jeremy has decided that the assets and income of public figures should be made available to us plebs - so that we can decide whether they can truly represent us.

Sadly, Jeremy has so far managed to avoid revealing how much he himself receives from the public purse.

Would you like to stsrt the ball rolling, by doing the decent thing, and telling us how much we pay you?

JadedJean #2

Perhaps the fact that Black Eyed Peas( binge drinking and blowing all your money is cool ) " good tune " has recently been number one and is still hanging around in the top ten indicates the debth of ignorance in our society . I blame their narrow minded parents and grandparents.

Sallybugs (#7) "I just can't believe that anyone still thinks this is acceptable in 2009, I mean where have they been, clearly another planet? There surely is no-one working within the media industry that doesn't realise how offensive this is, I mean there must be clear Beeb guidelines about this sort of casual racist language and it begs the question that if he is prepared to drop this whilst on air, what on earth does he say in private?"

Ummmm isn't it all carefully rehearsed and scripted like all of these shows? Isn't it all just made to look like it's spontaneous?

Postscript #12 For what it's worth, I sometimes find calling someone a name because they belong to a group, offensive, but that's because doing so is an instance of aggressive behaviour! It's the aggressive behaviour which is offensive, not the utterace of the word per se.

It is not racist, sexist or offenive, to point out differencs between groups. Many people get confused about this. people get confused about the concept of class, set or group becasue whene talk about things we talk about members of classes, from apples to zebras. Some have abused this confusion for political or personal reasons. Some groups have cleverly exploited this confusion to their socio-economic/political advantage. Some(x)=Not(all(x)) and All(x)=Not(Some(x)). All and Some are known as logical quantifiers. These are basic to logic, language and reference.

Kirsty, Please please please raise this on the programme because it REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY annoys me. Can you ask the people pontificating about this which LEGAL CASE was it that decided the 'P'Word was, quote 'mere doggerel' before it was then overturned at a higher court ?? Give up ??

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/s/60/60862_paki_football_chant_ruled_racist_by_court.html

Details are here. My point is that I know this is offensive. You may know this is offensive. Anton Du Beke no doubt knows this is offensive.

But this asinine assumption that EVERYONE reads the papers daily for any court cases ruling on which are the latest verboten words is nonsense.

To guard against this we as a society judge people not by individual slip ups, but by two things. How offensive something is. AND how often they say it. The ridiculous system now that some words are considered so offensive that merely saying it once brands that person as just as rude, racist, homophobic or misogynistic as someone who does something dozens of times and ten times worse is the curse of 'zero-tolerance' or as it should be known 'too thick to apply logic and analysis to a situation'.

To pretend that people in their 70s and 80s regularly go for 6-monthly diversity workshops or read the Guardian everyday when they left the workforce donkey's years ago as absolutely ridiculous. I don't support what Carol Thatcher said, but when the said items are still for sale in Bath and other places some people who are 'out of touch' are forgiven for not understanding just how offensive these terms are to some people.

And the way to deal with it is explaining to them and relying on their better nature not to do it again. The specious arguments which are used to limit freedom of speech are many and varied and result in walking on eggshells and cries of racism where none exist. Classic examples include Anne Robinson being referred to the Equalities and Human Rights Commission.

Tony Blair getting in hot water for saying 'Effing Welsh'. Personally I am of the view that I should be quite entitled to say 'Effing Israelis' if what they do in Gaza annoys me. Or 'Effing Hamas' if they introduce some idiotic policy or other. I am not saying it is civil and I am against swearing generally. But that is not the same as saying I am committing some kind of vile thought crime.

I agree that it is impossible to see what is on someone's mind and that therefore we don't really want a world where people casually abuse others at football matches and get away with it. But one has to ask a question when Ron Atkinson's career was ruined for one remark when he did more than most to encourage black players into the game.

One only has to look at the utter claptrap on the 'Comment Is Free' board on this very subject to make me, a lefty-liberal, wish for the Tory Party to return to government, champagne swilling Etonians and all, if it means a return to commonsense and everyone having to learn to have a slightly thicker skin so that we aren't all just one slip away from falling off the tightrope into the hands of the thought-police for re-programming.

On a lighter note, since many idiotic racists used to throw bananas at black players during football matches, should use of bananas by other members of the public be restricted lest they be judged in the same way ?

It would have saved David Miliband from some problems...

So pensions are going to be linked to earnings when everyone is taking pay cuts, stock market parasites less likely to earn more this year also. It could in theory go negative like the train fare increase formula did recently ?

BUT WESTMINSTER GAMES PLAY ON

Not one word of reinstatement of democracy. Remember John Major's triumphant cry from the despatch box: "I've got it, I like it, and I'm going to keep it." Once Shiny-Boy Dave and his gang, get their hands on power, it will be Westminster as before. Charades, whipping (inside and out) chicanery, deals, lies, damned lies, statistics, dissembling, duplicity - the whole thesaurus.

I have an ex-squaddie for a (Tory) MP. Having spent all my life in science, I gave him a science-based nudge. He scoffed and dismissed me. (Mind you, I did stand against him for parliament, but I am sure honour would not allow spleen.) What does Dave know of all these hurting and fearful individuals, he is going to ride to the rescue of? I realise he is shiny like an armoured knight, but the silly glottal stop was evident in his speech; is that Dave getting down with the small people? Is he going to teach us all to whistle?

I see no change coming. Disgraceful Westminster governance will continue until we return enough independents of integrity and TRUE honour, to:

SPOIL PARTY GAMES

Sallybugs - GRRRR !!! Again more claptrap from the ill-informed !!!

"There surely is no-one working within the media industry that doesn't realise how offensive this is, I mean there must be clear Beeb guidelines about this sort of casual racist language and it begs the question that if he is prepared to drop this whilst on air, what on earth does he say in private?"

THIS WAS NOT DONE ON-AIR ! If you don't know what you are talking about [and you clearly do not] but are just bandwagon-jumping I suggest you keep quiet. Again this is a situation which has been resolved between the two people, it was a joke which has been apologised for and it is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

Of course, Sallybugs, you probably inhabit the groupthink bubble which receives regular updates for which words are 'in' and 'out' and insist on using words like 'movie' just to appear 'cool and with it'. This is just showing how narrowly you perceive what the rest of society is like.

Many in Britain never read newspapers, have English as a second lingo and yet we the 'BBC/Radio4/Guardian Reader' brigade think that our view of society is how everyone else perceives life in Britain. Many in our fair country are too busy keeping warm, keeping safe and keeping alive to be constantly worried about whether their linguistic fashion is keeping up with current trends.

I don't want to cause offence to anyone - but for heaven's sake, if we have arrived at a point where saying certain things 'burns your bridges' to an extent where it is impossible to put the genie back in the bottle with an apology, then we are a short step from anarchy.

Think on this. This whole episode has just served to upset Du Beke, who was probably a reasonably decent fellow to start with. Whereas the BNP are still alive, well and churning out their hate-filled propaganda since they stick within the letter of the law regarding incitement with impunity.

How on earth can this be progress folks ??

#16

Just to clarify my observations on state pensions policy, if the stock market parasites are allowed to get their own way and the BoE continue " quantative easing " the inflation rate currently used looks set to go through the roof ?

from mimpromptu after listening to T.S.Eliot, not that there are similarities in content:
I would like to say, ‘Oh, ye shameful nation’ and yet I can’t
I would like to say, ‘Oh, ye shameful cowards’ and for now I shan’t

Bored with Cammo speeches ? Try this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cYWfq--Nw

They'll make the country Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger doncha know..

Or is that Harsher ?

All of the many utterances of of the p word and the n word - how sad and fearful the world has become that we can even speak plainly anymore - that I have directly heard in public in recent years have been negroes discussing or cussing other negroes or people from Pakistan and - surprise, surprise - vice versa!


How about at a specific moment in the near future the whole of mankind stands up, turns to the four points of the compass says ...... Sorry ....

and then we all get on with our lives?

BUT SURESTART LIKE HEADSTART DOESN'T WORK

Neither does Aiming High or SEAL. When an analysis of the Primary school study justifying SEAL (it actually showed it didn't really work, Girls just liked it a bit) was analysed in a series of comments posted to The Guardian's Comment Is Free a few years ago, they were subsequently removed!

And...what is Cameron talking about when he says he wants all kids to have the educatinal opportunity that he had? Ability is genetic, that ans it runs in families!

What's this talk about transparency?

I find it ironic that Calvin Mackenzie rants about the lack of judgement in this statement and says that an apology is needed to heal the offended. Where is this philosophy when it comes to the lies he printed and refuses to retract about the Liverpool supporters at Hillsborough?

How does a nasty word spoken as racism fall behind the crass untruths and disgusting language used about his own fallen countrymen in his mind?

As a license payer my one Christmas wish is to never see another penny of my money spent on this hypocritical throwback.

lordBeddGelert (#18) "Whereas the BNP are still alive, well and churning out their hate-filled propaganda since they stick within the letter of the law regarding incitement with impunity."

The BNP appears to think that the UK has been subjected to demographic warfare through uncontrolled, low-skilled immigration which supported nothing but economic anarchism and the Balkanization of Britain over many years. Are they wrong? The same thing happened at the end of the C19th and beginning of the C20th (in both the UK and USA). The Alien Act (UK) and Sedition Act (USA) was designed to limit the immigration of anarchists. That failed. Anti-racism hysteria has been used to protect one group which does very well out of economic anarchism. Are you in favour of this?

from mimpromptu
This afternoon at the Royal Festival Hall, during the celebrations of the National Poetry Day, I listened, among others, to Lemn Sissay reciting a few of his poems which I really enjoyed and I would recommend a visit to his website. He was brought up in children's homes /though since then has found all his natural family/ and is now the Resident Poet at the RFH. There seems to be a real quality to what he is doing.

erratum(#23) "Ability is genetic, that is, it runs in families!

This is why psychologists study race when studying intelligence, one of the two statistical FACTORS (the other is personality) they use as dimensions for studying individual differences (see Cronbach's famous paper 'Two disciplines...' in the 1950s). It's not because psychologists or behaviour geneticists are interested in race per se, it's just that races are natural classes, and classes are created and maintained by gene-barriers, e.g. oceans between land masses are gene-barriers, so are mountain ranges, so are phenotypes like skin colour etc. This allows psychologists to look at how genes are expressed. It's called a natural experiment. It's epidemiology. Some misguided people are going around saying it's racism!

from mimpromptu
Streetphotobeing
What happened at #9?
Couldn't you rephrase it?
In between now the the sunrise?
mim

THE VIEW FROM THE SUMMIT - NOT BROKEN BRITAIN BUT MANGLED ENGLISH

You might recall my post (#2) yesterday was removed. I had used two words (killer and love) with regard to our efforts in Afghanistan, thereby creating a paxoesque mix of provocation, attack and offensiveness that the Blogdog, paradoxically, proscribes.

Tonight my provocative subject is 'Manglish' the mangled English used widely by the 'Manglish', from call-centres to medical practitioners at every level. I, personally, find Manglish irritating, time-wasting and even endangering. Clearly, where medical staff are concerned, if I cannot understand what is being said TO ME how can I judge the intent, or EVEN THE COMPETENCE - of the person I am engaged with? Do I have the right to demand an equivalent English speaker? What is my chance of such being provided? Would this be in some perverse way racist?

My brother - distressed, confused and stark-white all his life, lies in a care home bed and yells: "white nurse" or alternatively: "no Indians" and he has good reason. Several senior members of the nursing staff EVEN I cannot understand - and I AM NOT THE ONE WHO IS PAYING! I have no idea if the staff can all understand each other, but feel pretty sure there is serious risk here. would anyone dare put this into 'risk assessment'?

Shiny-Boy Dave says he is going to have droves of health visitors coming to private houses, where you are. Does this cosseted toff have ANY IDEA how many will be speaking MANGLISH and carrying cultural norms, in their very bones, that are far removed from those of indigenous Brits? AND CONFUSING, IF NOT INTIMIDATING, to the old and infirm?

The psychological stability of this country is being eroded in ways that I doubt Dave has any idea of. The newborn are made anxious by lack of natural nurture. The young are destabilised by the wonders of institutional school. Those of working age are propped with alcohol and prescription drugs. The prisons are full of the mad and maddened, just waiting to come out and join in. The elderly are medically extended while mentally debilitated; stored to death in varying degrees of degradation. That's the Britain you need to fix Dave - a bit more than cut and paste economics I fear.

The idea that cheap foreign labour makes us an enhanced 'multiculture' ignores all the above. Our economy in the near future will depend, more than ever, on the Manglish hoards, as surely as slaves and oppressed colonies propped our disgraceful ways in the past. I don't think Dave has any idea of the time-bomb he is keen to have and hold. He may yet go 'boom' more impressively than Magic Obama!

"The Strictly... 'Race Row'."

Has there been a wave of complaints demanding 'something be done', or is this the usual media elite getting hysterical, effectively, about itself? Kirsty didn't mention any public outcry. A lot of the 'offense' about this, that or the other is often concentrated within media circles and the general public, if they are asked at all, often appears pretty non-plussed by it all. Perhaps that's the reason for all the hoo-ha: to educate us.

Remember, not a single person has spontaneously become racist because of what Mr. du Beck is alleged to have said. Believe it or not, racism is a product of ignorance, which is a product of a poor education and poor upbringing and not the product of television.

"'Party Conference' Coverage."

I noticed, between all of the conferences, how often we would be subjected to lingering close-ups of each party's 'front bench', until each M.P. displayed the requisite few seconds of discomfort and the producer cut to another shot. Is this how the media gets its kicks and how they show the politicians who's the boss?

If we have to have poems how about this one mim

I learned this short extract as a teenager, one of the wagon driver's I used to ride " shotgun " with used to recite it to amuse himself and any passenger before the advent of cab radio's. I believe it was originally written by our local village " punk poet " Eric Bolton, who worked at the mill as an engineer and managed the then quite successful village football team

This is the story of Ehpple Vinube
Who plemmed to St Pancrass by underground tube
Riding along so besh and so crell
An ormany imperf he happened to tell

I don't remember any more but I believe Eric wrote loads of similar stuff.

LOGIC

You will note that White Europeans can not assert that anyone ever discriminates against them as members of a group without they themselves being accused of racism for suggesting such a thing! They are likely to be accused of being 'white supremacists' or members of the BNP in Britain (elsewhere they will be called extreme right wingers!).

When Jewish, Back or Asian people say they feel discriminated against, and create special interest groups, how come they aren't accused of being Jewish, Black or Asian supremacists or separatists?

Is it because that would be White racism too? ;-)

Methinks there is something devious at work to favour at least one minority group here where other (less cognitively able) groups are used as a cover to secure hegemonic advantage. Know of any statistics which corroborate this 'outrageous' hypothesis? Maybe we could ask the resident Political Panel? ;-)

from mimpromptu
Do I need to explain who it concerns?

leech, leech – you’ll get a stitch
up where it hurts
and in turn perverts

leech, leech – you’ll get a stitch
up and inside your water bottle
with a few bubbles and then a throttle

HOME GROWN MANGLISH

I truly am bewildered by Kirsty's brand of Manglish - twofold: that she is paid so much to speak so indistinctly, and that no one seems to care. I recall the poor foreigner who just could not extract meaning from her output (oh the irony) and I have a number of friends who assure me I am not imagining, nor exaggerating. Is Botox-speak 'edgy' in media terms? Is Kirsty as fascinating as Elvis, in her own way? Does no one in the Newsnight gang realise that many listeners have less than perfect hearing, which is easily defeated by the Kirsty speech-patterns? Lastly: does she, herself, not realise any of this?

#34 from mimpromptu
I'm surprised you're saying this as I don't seem have any problem with either hearing or understanding of what she talks about

#35 continuation from mimpromptu
and I've heard rumours that she is indeed friends with Elvis

from mimpromptu - addendum to #33
Now that the stanza's have been accepted I thought I'd try the first one of this particular ditty:
leech, leech – you’ll get a stitch
up to your crutch by a witch

#38 from mimpromptu
It’s interesting how long phrases can make up a 4-rhythm rhyme
To go with time
Streetphotobeing
I'd like to share with you another of yesterday's events if I may:

When on my way yesterday morning
After L. Cohen’s ‘Always’ playing quite loud
Mark came out of jj’s positioning
Saying he wanted just for an hour.

I threw a glance at him in horror.
‘I’m not a girl to simply be borrowed’.
I thought to myself and left it at that
He ain’t getting from me a pat.

POETRY CAN BE BAD FOR PEOPLE

mimpromptu (various) would you class your ditties as love poems or just metaphysical? ;-)

ARE THEY PAYING FOR IT!

barrie (#29) "Do I have the right to demand an equivalent English speaker? What is my chance of such being provided? Would this be in some perverse way racist?

My brother - distressed, confused and stark-white all his life, lies in a care home bed and yells: "white nurse" or alternatively: "no Indians" and he has good reason. Several senior members of the nursing staff EVEN I cannot understand - and I AM NOT THE ONE WHO IS PAYING!"

There's the thing barrie, if one complains about a service because it's sub-standard, one is entitled to have one's complaint 'registered' and 'addressed', but if it's a complaint about the service of a person who's caring skills are limited through linguistic, cognitive and cultural 'challenges', that's underachievement as a function of diversity, and to complain about that is intolerant, and if pressed, racist (or otherwise discriminatory). That a past cognitively able (elitist?) recipient of said 'services' may well be paying for their 'care' directly as well as that of others (as if one has assets above 14K one will contribute, and if above 23K one will have to fund one's care in total) one must remember that one had a choice of care. In other words, if one doesn't like it, one must choose elsewhere. The fact that many private care homes try to maximize profit by keeping down staff costs by employing as cheaply as possible as this is good business practice, and 'good for the economy'! The problem is, most of our politians don't see what's going on as, 'thespians' that they are, they're blinded by their love of limelight ;-(

Your post was full of astute, thought provoking, observations, as usual.

Thank you.

"THIS IS 2009!" - A GLARING LACK OF INSIGHT?

Strugglingtostaycalm (#30) "Perhaps that's the reason for all the hoo-ha: to educate us."

Yes. Indoctrinate via coercion might perhaps be a better way of putting it?

"Remember, not a single person has spontaneously become racist because of what Mr. du Beck is alleged to have said. Believe it or not, racism is a product of ignorance, which is a product of a poor education and poor upbringing and not the product of television."

It's a political tool used by right-wing anarchists. It's done in a most peculiar way. Just remember which government the original legislation was brought in under, and who was behind it. This was because of the way they lost power for their right wing anarchistic behaviour in earlier times. It's a preventative, opportunistic measure and other less able groups are used as a foil. The objective is economic advantage/hegemony, but most will have to really think about this, or look at statistics to see how this works.

I note that Kirsty Wark often makes her mark not by cool, rational analysis, but via emotive, nefarious rhetoric, heckling and bullying.

Her eyes gave her away just before the Political Panel last night.

Why does Kirsty behave this way? It does her image no good at all. I remind her that in 2009 we are in no great shape. Kirsty should not be proud of our anarchisic times. On the contrary!!

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

Nos 34

Think Kirsty simply had a dicky throat problem which was always bound trigger your little obsession fetish into a rampage of verbal over drive. Makes for an interesting little read though Barry.

Perhaps the producer should say 'maybe you need another day or so to get over the bugs before you present' Having your voice fail you on-air errr is not good for the confidence and it almost happened last night and a bit of self induced on-air panic ain't going to help a dicky throat. If the producer cant say that maybe there is a problem. But then we wouldn't have anything to trigger Barrie's little creative flurries that can be so entertaining now would we.

streetphotobeing (#43) Emoting and heckling - is that symptomatic of illness too?

THE FASCINATING HUMAN DISASTER

I have just absorbed Desert Island Discs, featuring DAME Ellen McArthur. I was stuck by her, apparent, extreme position on the Bell Curve. Is this not another illustration that creativity and endeavour arise in US from extremes of function? And paradoxically, such people seem to hypnotise the Curve's middle ranks, who see them as charismatic, hero, master, guru etc. Was Jesus an obsessive?

Might I have led myself back to the 'wisdom dilemma'? I am in little doubt that, at an animal level, 'excrement-or-bust' alphas are probably conducive to group-survival (on balance). But having collected our cerebral frippery, courtesy of evolution's caprice, yet still without the wisdom to resist the extreme performer, I reckon we are on the way out. With hindsight, Tony is just a nut is he not?

In light of the above, the perversity of Britain's leadership and (lack of) direction, is self evident; with much of the world close behind.

Nos 44

She does it (I think) partly because at the end of the day its entertainment. It also helps knock people off their perch and maybe get at a hidden truth. If all people went in for truth and logic, hey no problems but who wants to be a BORG.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to get on with trying to buy some gold before it escapes me with truth and logic.

from mimpromptu on Madam Mim's little problems:
He won’t let her pee -
How’s that for human rights
That proud Englishmen engage in fights?
That’s of what Gordon and Pete’ll be accused
How they let Madam Mim be constantly abused.

As for the rest, a mention would do
That they are aware of winnie the pooh
Who makes her blood pressure go through the roof.

#39 from mimpromptu

none of your business

streetphotobeing (#46) "She does it (I think) partly because at the end of the day its entertainment. It also helps knock people off their perch and maybe get at a hidden truth."

Hidden truth? What's that? How do you know when you have found it?

Do people assault others on the streets in order to liberate their hidden truths? Is this what troops have been doing in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is this provoctive ('entertaining') behaviour in aid of finding hidden truths in Iran? Do you agree? Do you understand?

Or do you just make it all up as you go along like Madam Mim and Kirsty, for 'entertainment'? ....partly.... ;-)

mimpromptu (#48) I take it you don't like critical appraisal/feedback? Did you do well at school etc?

JJ's feeling all spunky Mim what should we do with him?

Methinks, he'd enjoy a nice broom spank, Streetphotobeing. But let's leave that for later, he's currently being spunked by lovely metallic music he enjoys so much.
mim

if paul is going to sit on a bench by the canal the to fit in he should have a can of special brew in his hand?

france

one law for the rest of us and one law for...

BBC in Colour

funny to see the bbc try to rescue their best show as it falls burning out the sky. no one will be able to think about the show in the same way now?

#52 continuation
jj may also enjoy Nina Simone's 'Do I move you?', what do you think? Shame I don't do pole dancing, he would enjoy that even better but I would leave it to Madonna.

from mimpromptu
Streetphotobeing
I'd like to share another thought with you today before pushing off on to the London streets:
I think congratulations are in order to Barack Obama for winning the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009. It is hoped, however, that on its reception, if not before, he does recognise a contribution made to his election in the first place and then suggestions for diplomatic solutions by a tightly knit group of selfless friends. He knows who they are.
How much gold are you planning to buy, Streetphotobeing?
I hope you enjoy the rest of the day
mim
P.S. I'm copying this to the White House

#25 jaded_Jean

"The BNP appears to think that the UK has been subjected to demographic warfare through uncontrolled, low-skilled immigration which supported nothing but economic anarchism and the Balkanization of Britain over many years."

When you say the "Balkanization" of Britain I assume you are talking about the presence of other ethnic groups. Its worth bearing in mind that there are in fact very few genetic differences between the races as we are all genetically descended from a very few individuals.

In general immigration has been good for Britain but there are legitimate concerns over recent numbers and planning for services and so on on the basis of imprecise figures.

For you anybody is an "anarchist" if they aren't National Socialist or Stalinist.

As the BNP are "not a Nazi Party" but a "modern and progressive" nationalist party I assume that they must be "anarchists" too.

Their last Euro election literature had the "anarchist" Churchill on it and the symbol of Nazi resistance in Britain the Spitfire.

#4 jaded_Jean

"What's wrong with looking like a Pakistani anyway? Have I missed something?"

Basically you have missed your own propaganda that implies there are significant genetic differences between the races. Hence your hero Hitler had the Heck cow as a symbol of racial purity!

If you check out your flawed rants about immigration and "Balkanization" later you may uncover the truth about your own views.

Most everybody else worked that out about you a long time ago.

mimpromptu (#54) Are you aware that your contributions to this blog contain a lot of affective imagery? Is this the Polish mating season?

HAS THE REVOLUTION STARTED? - WHY WASN'T I TOLD?

Just took in Daily Politics. They (insert edgy verb) a 'package' involving lots of VT of toddlers, many dressed as fairies etc. BUT THE FACES WERE CLEAR - NO PC-FUZZ. Am I no longer a paedophile by default? I had become habituated to fuzzy-headed kids. Can I claim for distress? Is there anything I can attach to my TV, to fuzz the faces, I am worried the old trouble might come back. I don't want PC Fuzz breaking my door down in the small hours.

The Nazi economy survived only because it was set against the Depression and then World War. As it was largely a command economy there was no real way of setting a market value price. Hence in peace time you would have expected to see distortions in value causing economic crisis as in the Soviet Bloc where they ended up with a near barter system where oil was paid for with sewing machines and so on.

As the BNP, that is "not a Nazi Party", is full of activists who love all things Hitler maybe some astute economist could ask them about how, if they "ruled the world", they would run the economy.

My guess is they don't think about that much as they tend to be personalities looking for ways to express unreasoned hatred and the economy is basically just numbers.

On Obama I think it is excellent that he got the Nobel. Hopefully it will communicate to the Boltons and others in the Republicans that it is better to recognise a changing world and reap the benefits of cooperation in mutual interest.

Their stand-alone "Pax Americana" and bullying simply alienated friends as well as preventing foes from being turned into viable working partners.

The only irony is that I would think Obama is the President most likely to have to consider extreme violence should a rogue state or terrorist faction in a failed state acquire nuclear weapons and look to be intending to use them.

The fears of the opponents of proliferation are likely to come to a head in the next decade I would have thought.

But the benign intentions and goodwill that he communicates may ease us through these difficult waters.

On the BNP and immigration it is also worth remembering that their economy, the only genuine National Socialist one they can reference and that is the German Nazi economy, did not have immigration.

They used forced and slave labour as for example the Auschwitz camp where the life expectancy was measured in months.

NOBEL COMMITTEE WINS NOBEL PRICE FOR POLITICS?

To avoid the Blogdog I am constrained from indulging in a delicious play between 'Noble' and 'Nobel' - shame.

However, this announcement brings to my mind the token Acts from America, that have featured, politically, in the Royal Variety Show.

A bit more weeping required it seems.

Go1 #57

"As the BNP, that is "not a Nazi Party", is full of activists who love all things Hitler maybe some astute economist could ask them about how, if they "ruled the world", they would run the economy."

Perhaps they would generate electricity usingpixie dust?

(Thanks for that JunkkMale :-)

thegangofone (#57) "When you say the "Balkanization" of Britain I assume you are talking about the presence of other ethnic groups."

No, as I've said many times, I'm referring to the creation of and devolution to, the Regional Development Agencies (NE, NW, M, SE, SW, London, and, Scotland, Wales and soon, no doubt, a unified Ireland/Eire. All are the size of EU NUTS (limke the Scandinavian countries).

Uncontrolled immigration has aided this process. It has helped some make money as predators and it's also helped to further break down communities, increasing crime and instability. Just what's needed when one is braking a nation state up.

#29 Barrie I understand your post completely, and in future will use your word Manglish, it perfectly describes it. I did reply a while ago to another of your posts, my mother has exactly the same problem as your brother when in hospital, and she's also very hard of hearing. I understand another 40,000 asylum seekers are going to stay, (slipped in quietly) so it will only get worse, until we all speak Manglish, and no one particular race or religion are in the majority in Britain. I presume the whole world is going that way or is it just the european countries?! How was it we had a booming economy back in the '50s when there were only 51 million of us, why do we need 70 million in a failing economy?!

Funny you should mention magic Obama, he's now spun up a Peace Prize, does anyone know why, I thought he was fighting a war, not very peaceful that!!!!

thegangofone (#61) "The only irony is that I would think Obama is the President most likely to have to consider extreme violence should a rogue state or terrorist faction in a failed state acquire nuclear weapons and look to be intending to use them."

Do you think someone should alert Governor Schwarzenegger?

One of the things that none of the parties covered in their conferences was the presumed need for re-balancing the economy. That surely is critical to the nations future and requires strategic thought with general acceptance from all sectors of society.

If we were a services economy largely based on financial services what will we accentuate instead if that sectors role must diminish?

Hedge funds are moving shop and if better regulation is established on derivatives perhaps some banks will follow. Those that remain will probably aim for more stable growth.

It does not seem likely that cars will be the future unless we invest in, and get ahead quickly, on green cars. It is clearly a volatile sector these days anyway.

Perhaps infrastructure changes to allow more green public transport (2020 carbon shortfall) and carbon free energy production (nuclear won't cut it cost wise) will tide us over but there still needs to be some viable plan.

ecolizzy (#66) "why do we need 70 million in a failing economy?!"

1) They buy lots of stuff at Tescos and JB Sports etc with Welfare money
2) They populate inner city Academies so speculators get hold of public assets via BSF
3) Even more carers in the NHS etc!
4) They can be flogged credit/debt very easily
5) They'll vote for the people who deregulate (gullible/not very bright)
6) They breed lots.

I could go on..... :-(

I can't see #64 or #66 but on the basis of previous posts I can expect to see something along the lines of Holocaust "agnosticism" - but the moderators will I am sure accept that trials and history and witness statements show it did happen - from Newfazer.

Ecolizzy is not the BNP but has visited that website and does not like to visit London due to the racial mix.

For those that don't know the BNP website "gets more hits than all of the other political parties put together".

That of course is why they have two Euro MEP's - for now - and a London BNP Assembly Member who was pulled up for bringing the local council into disrepute. He had referred to three murders that never happened. It was due to dyslexia and the local church bells.

I can see that.

Perhaps the rumours that Nick Griffin lost an eye through popping a shotgun cartridge into a fire and then sitting next to it - as you do - fail to take account of any dyslexia or church bells.

So clever the BNP.

ME AND FREUD - WE ARE 'LIKE THAT' (#65)

I had to chuckle when I spotted my error. If, as I suspect, this Nobel is a fix, an immeasurable price has, indeed, been paid. Another remnant of honour and integrity, sold down the polluted river of failed humanity, in the great Scrappage Scheme we call Civilisation.

Lizzie: if you apply Modern New Adjusted-Thought-Speak, you will realise that war IS IS IS equal to peace in exactly the same way that (as any fule kno) woman is equal to man.

PS Come the election, I shall be out there asking the voters: "Will you vote rosette or rosette-stand?" Perhaps popular pressure will then demand a new Nobel category: AGENT PROVOCATEUR and I shall carry it off - triumphant! Hurrah!!

DING DING: THE SOCIALIST INTERNATIONAL, RING ANY BELLS?

Postscript (#69) Disraeli started all this with his Parliamentary Reform Acts. After the universal franchise in the 1920s, it gave them ideas as to how to dumb down the population even further in aid of their economy! Have you noticed how nation statism is now a tabboo? That's internationalism at work, Globalization, or what Stalin called, Cosmopolitanism. he didn't approve of it either, so he put an end to the Comintern, completing Hitler and Mussolini's objective. Trust Thatcher, Reagan, Blair, Bush and Brown and other Neocons to make a real mess of it...

#65 & 69
HHhmmm I didn't realise how much I agree with you JJ. I've been telling everyone for years that's what the government wants, to break us all down into Regional Development Agencies but I don't put it quite as academically as you do! Why are the English throwing themselves away? They seem hell bent on total self distruction, re a certain poster on here! Why do we hate outselves so much, and think our culture is rubbish? Why are we not proud of being english? Is it because we are told we are British or European or multicultural?

A comment to #69 Hhhmm but what happens when the Welfare money runs out? It inevitably will, with so few working, and so many demands made on welfare payments, the health service and free education.

'WHAT IS NOT COVERED' (#68)

My take on 'what is not covered' (that splendid phrase found on insurance documents) is the mental health of the world - led in decline by Britain - and totally outside money, trade and commerce.

But - at risk repeating myself - (:o) governance is a game of Monopoly, aspiring to Globopoly. On the Globopoly board, status accrues from, nukes and GDP - crude wealth. UNTIL NATIONAL STATUS IS MEASURES AS THE CONTENTMENT OF THE POPULACE - THE WORLD WILL GET PROGRESSIVELY MADDER. This was not covered in any conference, nor is it likely to be while party politics are played in Westminster, and parties choose 'good players' to be presented for selection, by 'universally insufferable' voters.

SPOIL PARTY GAMES

# 68 - who will pay for the new infrastructure? There is an ongoing downward spiral. We don't generate sufficient wealth in this country to maintain our standard of living. We sold off BT, BG etc during the Thatcher years, to subsidise our standard of living; we have effectively sold off hospitals and schools through PFI over the past 10 years. Throughout these periods, we have also been subsidised through North Sea oil revenues. These revenues are diminishing. I reckon what we will now see is the sale of yet more infrastructure (roads, rail, schools, power genreration, hospitals) directly and indirectly to foreign investors which we will have to "rent" back.

ecolizzy (#73 "Why are the English throwing themselves away?" They are not English, they are internationalists!

What will happen when the welfare money runs out? They will move on to pastures anew! They are internationalists. The mistake is to think that they care about other people except as means to their ends. They are just useful assets. This is very hard for many decent people to grasp, but it's very Axis II Cluster B etc :-(

Ecolizzy #73

This particular Englishman does not hate himself or his culture, in fact I'm rather proud of it. I am grieved that it is being irreversibly dismantled and that we may not speak out in its defense. My culture is as rich and valuable as any other and I object to its devaluation by those too stupid or ignorant to understand the outcome.

nedafo (#75) "I reckon what we will now see is the sale of yet more infrastructure (roads, rail, schools, power genreration, hospitals) directly and indirectly to foreign investors which we will have to "rent" back."

Yes, classic cosmopolitan, globaiist, internationalist etc anarchistic state 'asset-stripping'. Why do so few see it for what it is? This was done to Russia in 1917, and again in the 1990s.

barrie (#63) "To avoid the Blogdog I am constrained from indulging in a delicious play between 'Noble' and 'Nobel' - shame."

Speaking of which, it isn't the first time

Postscript (#76) Think of the state as a great unnatural resource, created by previous generations through hard work, taxes and community effort, which is later mined/pumped out by migrant anarchists who have appropriaed control of the country.

That's what's happening these days, PFI is one aspect of it. Now they want to liquidate 'non essential' state assets and give them to cosmopolitan 'investors'.....

Obama gets the Nobel Prize. For what?
:p not he was only in Office 2 weeks after nominations for the Nobel Prize closed.

OBAMA IS CONFUSED - APPARENTLY

He sees the award as not actually for HIM and yet is HUMBLED. That is quite a feat of mental gymnastics. Surely he should be EMBARRASSED?

I think it should have gone to the Aspi defence-computer hacker.

In passing: how can Dannatt be a Knight (of the Queen) and be partisan in her government, when she is neutral?

Nos 55 mim

"How much gold are you planning to buy, Streetphotobeing?"

I'm living dangerously mim a relative reminded (and also castigated ) me of something today.

Spartan's were not allowed to possess gold or silver - the currency was iron bars - in theory removing the money love problem.

The traitor who betrayed Leonidas (no doubt for wealth) at Thermopylae - Ephialtes along with two others were not as far as I know Spartan.

Have a good evening mim and I hope your feeling balanced.

I thought Kirsty Wark very sharp against Jeremy Hunt tonight - appreciated. Paul Mason as well.

"Strictly Come Dancing's language problems".

Was there a technical glitch in post production?
Did Newsnight lose an item from the programme just before transmission?

If not, why waste valuable broadcasting time on the five minute discussion
about a spat on a Reality TV programme?
There wasn't any reports of rioting in the streets.

It was the worst item I have ever seen during the past twenty years.

Come on Newsnight, keep the flag flying, don't get dragged down into
being a PR department for Light Ent.

Ron Taylor.

Political correctness/economic anarchism is intermittently reinforced by the media and those who 'control' it.

Anybody read JPs book The English, I've got it, a present, but haven't read it! oopps :( My daughter in law started the book, an avide reader, but just couldn't get into it.

Perhaps I ought to get off the comp and start reading it now! :P

THE MR ANGRY SCHOOL OF ANGER MANAGEMENT

Has Kirsty been on a course at the above establishment? Or mud wrestling perhaps?

15. At 9:58pm on 08 Oct 2009, lordBeddGelert

LOL.

No matter what the topic, I am sure here on the BBC it will always be 'fairly reflected' in the edit suite to suit internal demands for narrative enhancing and events interpretation, plus external ones to readjust things to help with emerging truths.

Some news is more newsworthy than other news. And can be assisted to taste anyway.

Unique.

SOLZHENISTSYN (#85) It was all part of the ratings competition with X-Factor I suspect. ITV had a PC controversy too! Pathetic. The X-Factor is an example of modern pornography. The BBC risks going the same way.