Friday 12 June 2009

is there anything moire cringeworthy than an 'apology' from a former government minister who has just discovered how much she is in deep .... and is hastily trying to make amends, the hundreds of votes lost because of her and other renegades decision to quit the day before the count will never be known...but it didn't help and probably ensured BNP taking their first seat in the North West...nice one, Hazel...and no, you cannot come back..too much damage

Ecolizzy

If you are about.

From the intro above

"They are taking over large areas of land and planting vineyards"

Conflict and migration over water resources.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2009/06/thursday_11_june_2009.html


Kell-tic Lion

the political career of all the house flipper, moat cleaners, double dippers and duck housers is over. Any MP who doesn't think so is in denial. The next election will be the closest thing the uk comes to a revolution. it'll be a giant pig roast.

any party who wants to keep their seat and avoid the BBQ better deselect the MPs in the frame. No one in their right mind will vote for them.

From the top deck. No. 7, Friday, 12 June 2009


Iran .....

The most important political event this year, bar none.

The quasi-orthodoxy versus the moderate reformers, a parallel to the stand-off between the protocols, values and principles of the westernised world and the writings of Islam. The Iranian middle classes appears to have reached the stage where they acknowledge that Iran has a more responsible, coherent and , importantly, valuable contribution to the global stage with the more demanding amongst them being women whom see some advantage to the updating of their image, status and roles. With the prospect of further but modest liberalisation the desire for reform - through the ballot box - appears to get more vocal, and yet still peaceful, every hour. Yet in the UK we have no apparent call for the equalitisation and upgrade of muslim women, from either gender, in such numbers. Why?.... Because there appear to be few muslim women amongst the middle classes that appear to want to be able to put their heads above the parapet. Or is it that HMG is not willing to fully and unequivocally support those women that are idealistic enough to take the risks? The chosen isolation of the communities, for reasons of religion and culture, will only diminish if positive actions are taken and thence fully funded. Be sure that it will be muslim women whom will want to take those actions, for they have the most to gain and currently lose the most. And for long term social harmony they should be full and vigourously supported.( Hang on. Is HMG not wanting to upset muslim males? No, surely not! )

Zimbabwe ......

....... Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, et al. Is it now time to give up on Central Africa? All the aid that has gone in appears to have encouraged the continuation and subsidy of all the problems.

Last nights voters panel .....

Editorial aspects aside, they were truly representative of the level of involvement by the GBP in modern politics. It would appear that the GBP is as disengaged with politics as MPs are detached from the GBP. Youve made your bed ....

Banksy and Crew .....

..... William Tell, Zorro, Robin Hood, Captain Sparrow .... Folk heroes! Banksy? I think not ! It seems that when you make lots of dosh for yourself - and even more for others - your sins, crimes and misdemeanours are excused on the basis that you are an Artist!

Mr Malik .....

..... Query ..... Strike Two?

Mr Portillo .....

Yes of course. The BNP WILL go away if you ignore it! Now, why are you no longer an MP? Anything to do with your ability to judge a situation effectively? No?. Hmmm!

Ms Blears .....

Looks as though Coventry is a very crowded, and lack-lustre, place? Self admitted three misjudgements and now the plea for clemency? Have you suddenly discovered that the mortgage and lifestyle available as a Minister is a bit more of a problem when you are on the income of an MP. Might be that the motorbike will have to go, Haze?

Ms Spelman .....

How credible can someone with selective memory attempt to be? George Osborne could have saved LDV. Sorry? Anybody recall policies like Northern Rock?

Blog Posters and BBC Finances .....

The Beeb could save an awful lot of lucre by reading stroke using blog posts instead of paying out appearance fees for luvvies and the like whom dont seem to be saying a great deal that is different that which is posted. Now theres a good idea for an interesting and cheap programme. A sort of Political Points of View ( British Bloggers Log perhaps? ) but hosted by Lady Em or Sir JP! ( Hang on! Just for thinking of this brilliant idea I could earn as much as that bloke that thought of Desert Island Discs! Yippee, a new computer at last!)

Mr Hain .....

Please, please, please take a real look at what training is on offer for the unemployed! Then you might be able to talk with some - believable - authority!

Madonna ( and Child.) .....

Question. How many bowls of maize could have been bought with the money paid to lawyers? And how do her actions ally with the contemporary zeal for getting back to your roots ( whilst foregoing the location ]? And how good is the potential for a Mother if you havent been able to stop your children eating with their mouths open? One adopted, highly privileged, tokenistic trophy. Ah ..... The ego of it!

The power of recall .....

Sorry, will that apply retrospectively?

Ruth Kelly .....

.. a person of real ability ... but living in a different Universe, all of her own..

and Rory Bremner?

..."and now is the winter of our discontent"

Ed Begley, in the Billion Dollar Brain, also starring Mike Caine,

I had thought, if all TV and radio was turned off for a whole month, might we all be a lot happier?

Hazel is panicking because she faces three votes of no confidence in her constituency party next week and clearly now understands that her clever performance played some part in the BNP MEP gain in the North West, which her constituents and her grass roots of which she is so fond will not cease to remind her of.

If she's not de-selected, then beware what happens in Salford at the General Election.

There may just be some glimmer of recognition on Hazel's part that she, Flint and Purnell got totally carried away with their own importance - Diane Abbott is convinced Hazel sees herself as the reincarnation of Barbara Castle - and forgot about why they're supposed to be in Westminster in the first place.

At least it's the end of Blairism; nearly was the end of Thatcherism today as well.

Her politics aside, I always quite liked hearing Hazel Blears. She was always quite a cheerful politician in what can be a dreary old world. But I would like to think nobody gets to be an elected MP, let alone a Secretary of State, without having at least some political common sense. That being the case, she knew exactly what she was doing when she made her comments - especially as she made more than one!

She has of couse been nobbled as part of this "Gordon's great and he's really back in the driving seat" nonsense that we're all expected to fall for. She also risks being deselected by her constituency party. It has everything to do with that and nothing to do with anything else as far as I'm concerned.

Hi,

realise you probably can't add this to the site but perhaps the following might be better in running our affairs...?

the film features the bit from shakespeare...somewhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCqB_Dw5iWM

she played for kingdoms and lost. what is the usual penalty.

Gordi is McBeth, Blair was Julius Caesar, Mandy is Iago, Harriet is Desdemona, Cameron is Malvolio and Vince is Prospero.

Any more for any more?

#2 Mr Kelltic, yes I've got it! : ) Didn't I read somewhere that water shortage is really beginning to worry the middle east. Didn't I read that the Saudi's have bought a huge amount of land in the far east to grow food, and all the local people have been moved out! But perhaps it was you that told me that! ; )

It is often worthwhile to put Shakespear's quotes in context. Having accepted the advice about the 'flood' Brutus went on to fight the battle of Philippi where he was defeated! Mind you in the current situation any Labour leader is likely to lose.

Suggestion for the name of the new element

Appropriate for the 21st century perhaps ........

Obesium.

LABOUR SO SCARED THEY ARE GOING FOR THE TRUTH?

A couple of days back Miliband D boldly declared (the truth) that people vote 'rosette' not 'person'. Tonight, union leader Billy Hayes joined in. Might we here more of this mantra, and might it be that Labour are scared of the 'Vote Independent' movement gaining momentum?

Or is it just that Hazel is so embarrassing, they want only to acknowledge the rosette she wore?

Whatever - another step on the way to SPOIL PARTY GAMES.

#12 Ecolizzy

No it wasn't me. It might have been in one of the references but can't take credit for that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2009/06/thursday_11_june_2009.html

Eh wat JJ

Mr Kell-tic Lion

#14 JAperson

I assume it would have full inner shells?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_shell

Kell-tic Lion

JAperson (#4) "Yet in the UK we have no apparent call for the equalitisation and upgrade of muslim women, from either gender, in such numbers. Why?.... Because there appear to be few muslim women amongst the middle classes that appear to want to be able to put their heads above the parapet. Or is it that HMG is not willing to fully and unequivocally support those women that are idealistic enough to take the risks? The chosen isolation of the communities, for reasons of religion and culture, will only diminish if positive actions are taken and thence fully funded. Be sure that it will be muslim women whom will want to take those actions, for they have the most to gain and currently lose the most. And for long term social harmony they should be full and vigourously supported."

Is it not possible that human males and females are biologically designed not to be equal? Is it not possible that sexual dimorphism is physical and genetic? Is it not possible that large numbers of females across all cultures are quite happy with this 'inequality'? Is it not possible that the Muslim world has got it right, the Liberal-Democracies have got it wrong, and the latter are paying the price of this error with extinction level below replacement level fertility?

"There is a tide in the affairs of men. Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune; omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries."

Yes Gordon, you should have had me as creative director/project manager for the Millennium Dome, when I applied twice. Instead you chose a French, unicycling car park attendant then a failed attempt at a casino instead.

https://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ecodome/

How smug you would have looked now on the world stage, with an extra £50 billion per year in the UK economy and all the world's environmental problems solved.

OK that's enough of my self-indulgent narcissism. You can only do so much without getting jayjayed.

Mr Kell-tic Lion

19 years maximum for a brutal killing! this is called life imprisonment. I would hazard a guess that many would find that an inadequate penalty. 19yrs detention given to the three animals who brutally murdered a young lad was not long enough. Many would argue that a rope is longer...and a whole lot cheaper. That's why i voted for the BNP, the only political party that would reintroduce the death penalty. The return of capital punishment is a wish many of the electorate are always denied from all the other main political parties. Not quite sure why the BNP would want to re-nationalise some of the old British industries? very old socialist labour that. But everything else including the Powell doctrine... am in full agreement with

#20 the cookieducker

One of the reasons I would NOT vote for the BNP.

https://tenpercent.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/torture-cancer-met-police-waterboarded-suspects/

Try comments

Mr Kell-tic

Hazel

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

One of the laws of cybernetics is: all decisions have consequences.

Oh and finally Hazel. You did support a policy to drop bombs on children. And you think you are having a bad time.

Get a life.

Mr Kell-tic

Hazel Blears is most depressing , another reason why New Labour is so out of touch. Does she really believe that she had an effect on how people voted by resigning !!!!! astonishing .

However having watched the programme who are these blogger people ??? Talking total nonsense all three of them, never heard of them and if people like that are getting into mp's heads no wonder they are out of touch with reality.

#16 Mr King, I've found some links about the land being bought for food.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7790711.stm

https://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13697274

AWARD WINNING NEWSNIGHT

As Kirsty incoherently defined the Scots verb 'to blether' poor Jan Ravens (who on 'Dead Ringers' once said in her Kirsty voice: "I will now repeat that with the consonants reinstated") had to listen with a straight face.

But riding to the rescue came Rupa Huq! Not since Nacy Del'Olio caused poor Andrew Neil's cerebrum to fuse, with a string of incomprehensible gibberish, have I heard such mind-numbing vacuousness. How does she manage to string so many platitudes and political cliches together, without her large intestine leaping up through her neck and strangling what passes for brain (as with Vogon poetry)?

Wossy had better look to his laurels. Newsnight is shaping to take the number one position for contentless broadcasting. The Boundless Blether Corporation just reached new heights of depth. Hey - there's edgy!

Newsnight Review

The Celtic Tiger may have crashed. The Lion didn't

Mr Kell-tic Lion

AM I SO VERY MISGUIDED?

Surely Mandelson's pronouncement about Brown - being sure to meet a further challenge at Conference time - is just a Machiavellian manoeuvre to wind wee Jimmie up some more (while being able to plead 'fair comment' not attack). Yet it was discussed at face value in the studio. FACE VALUE!! This is Mandy, for goodness sake - and Tony is still out there needing revenge.

#24 Ecolizzy

You are one hell of a researcher. Your first link is water,water, water. The phrase cash rich, water poor.

The second link I haven't taken in fully. But it is written in a more concealed format than the easy read BBC link.

Water is a fundamental key. I wrote in post recently if you can;t eat it, drink it or breathe it. Don't be concerned. It's what politicians don't mention you should be concerned with.

I'll track it over the weekend. Thanks. Hope people visiting this blog read your links and get an insight into the real challenges we need to address. Not fiscal stimulus and quantitative easing.

If you spend 40 days in the wilderness it is water and food which are important not Credit default swaps or inter bank lending rates.

Food and water come from the Earth the other from the Federal Reserve. Gordon et al, you get on with talking piffle. The rest of us will just do life.

Back to Life Back to Reality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTRmS6NrrvY

Mr Kell-tic Lion

Newsnight Review

I thought this was an excellent and most enjoyable half hour. Lively, interesting - and didn't degenerate into a shouting match. Thank you, NNR.

#27 Barrie

"Tony is still out there needing revenge"

Sorry no. "Needing". How much more does he want or need? (free market capitalism is turning the consumers wants to needs).

Careful what you wish for. May you live in interesting times.

Mr Kell-tic Lion

#27 Barrie

Sorry Barrie I can't let it go. Gordon DIDN'T get deposed. How much more does Tony want?

A long drawn out tortured agony of constantly being poked with a pointed stick is far more preferable than a Coup de grâce.

Barrie you are the writer on this blog on the mindset of politicians. Physician, heal thy self.

Mr Kell-tic Lion

barriesingleton (#27) "Surely Mandelson's pronouncement about Brown - being sure to meet a further challenge at Conference time - is just a Machiavellian manoeuvre to wind wee Jimmie up some more (while being able to plead 'fair comment' not attack). Yet it was discussed at face value in the studio. FACE VALUE!! This is Mandy, for goodness sake - and Tony is still out there needing revenge."

How does one get rid of someone who isn't elected without getting rid of the incumbents he works to? This is also a devious way to further shape the public towards wanting rid of an unelected House of Lords in favour of yet more anarchistic populism/consumerism.

Milband's carefully chosen words that he 'considered' resigning is equally ignoble.

These two don't play/follow cricket.

Was reading how the guys really in charge of the Iranian elections were... may be a bunch called the Council of Guardians.

That all sounds suitably Marvel(as in comic)icious.

Sort of Voltaire-lite or, possibly 'Revoltaire' (oo. that's one for the neo-thingie post): 'We may not agree with what you say, but we will sort of tolerate it... so long as you are not an Israeli'.

Which is the odd caveat we seem to be seeing from libertarians closer to home.

To 'a little bit pregnant' I guess we need to add 'freeishdom of speech'.

Makes you proud to be in a cradle of democracy.

Allied propaganda begins to fade?

The WWII rape disproportionality figures haven't changed much. Will we ever wake up?

CAVEAT (#33)

Item of headgear worn by a cockney caveman.

BLOGDOG - I hope you are keeping an eye on the 'lonely hearts' digressions on this blog/forum. (:x)

34

kelly's heroes was a nod in that direction of war as a crime spree and even ends with 'dedicated to all those who got away with it'. which points to a more sinister side.

given the evidence is that every war is a crime spree of sorts it is delusional to think this one was any different. a mix of angels and demons.

THE LUCIFER EFFECT - WHAT MEN DO.

The Stamford Prison Experiment, 'retreated' from after only six days, because of the behaviour, DRAWN OUT BY CIRCUMSTANCE, from just the sort of chaps you might expect to find in military service, illuminated BASIC male behaviour. There is currently a furore over the killing of a deer, yet worldwide, human life ebbs slowly - in full understanding - in rubble piles, 'un-noticed'.

IDS gifted Blair his 'precious' (gollum gollum) war - perhaps Hazel might tell them both how to own up?

#33 Junkkmale

The Star Chamber


#34 JJ #36 bookhimdano

German tactics in the Blitzkried of link and Israeli tactics in Six Day War.

#35 Barrie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PgRznuRseA&feature=related

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

NNR is supposed to be: 'A critical look at the cultural highlights and lowlights of the week.'
I was disapointed that the 12 June programme abandoned this brief. Surely BBC TV should be reviewing art work and events as part of its output? 30 minutes a week hasn't been much. Are we to lose even this now?

#37 Barrie

Google

celtic lion torture

38

israel is in a 50 year war and its not over yet?

barrie (#35) I was going to raise a similar voice of concern. I hope it will be heeded.

BNP I would If I Could but I Cant

My More Than Colourfull Friends Would Stick The Nut On Me.

(or maybe A bunch of fives)

FifthDaughter (#40) "NNR is supposed to be: 'A critical look at the cultural highlights and lowlights of the week.'
I was disapointed that the 12 June programme abandoned this brief. Surely BBC TV should be reviewing art work and events as part of its output? 30 minutes a week hasn't been much. Are we to lose even this now?"

Is that what it's supposed to have been? If it is, I for one wouldn't mourn its demise. It's largely been self-indulgent nonsense. Even Newsnight itself is losing its bite.

We have been feminizing/subverting our culture at great cost. As Kirsty raised on Newsnight viz Cabinet position and women, perhaps women aren't up to the job. Think about it. What you are seeing today is subversion of a culture by those who can't see how they are being used, and who never will, because it's not something which can be learned. Look into the cost.

2 Believe Anything coming out of nulabour would Force Me 2 Eat my own Head.

KingCelticLion (#38) It's what comes next which matters! Note with due care and dilence...

NARCISSISTIC DELIGHT

"What a great idea: they can call the "new body" the "Elders of Zion" and put out a manifesto entitled what else? The Protocols. Then they can translate it into Spanish and pass it out at taco joints and factory gates (those that arent closed on account of the recession and the Israeli boycott of U.S. goods and services). Now theres a winning strategy if ever I saw one!"

Liked The Wine Wars and Jerusalem Politics Major? - This is even better.

Mea Cuplpa (#47) Diligence - Now, will that teach me?

#50 JJ

having once spent considerable time trying to understand the relevance of some Russian metaphysical mathematical philosophy to one of your posts. Only to get back to the site to see you had apologised in my absence for a spelling mistake.

I learnt my lesson and am now diligent in differentiating a typo from a misdirection to a journey into the little explored areas of human consciousness.

Mr Kell-tic

#48 JJ

Do they do that in sugar free butterscotch flavour as well?

KingCelticLion (#50) Mere Coupler I think you'll find it was Lennon-McCartney, not Lenin-McCarthy.

#51 No, but it does come in Borderline, Histrionic and Anti-Social. I'd love to see prevalence rates by ethnic grouping and geographical area. It's classified by simple observable behaviours in DSM-IV, so almost anyone can have a shot at it.

mandy's call for the euro has just driven the last nail in any electoral recovery for labour.

who is talking about the euro down the dog and duck?

Another one for you Mr Lion.. https://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900SID/NSPR-7SVC8T?OpenDocument or perhaps you know this site? : )

EARTH'S CLIMATE - DO WE KNOW ALL THE FACTORS? (#54)

Is it likely Eco? We only have the one 'Earth-like' planet to study; we have only had clever means to carry out such study for a very short time (relative to natural cycles - solar, solar-system, galactic, cosmic) and most of our studies have been carried out INSIDE the very systems we are addressing. This is not a good way to do good science. Humility should rule.

If you would like to be made helpfully uncertain, search: 'The Electric Universe' and ponder on just how much we don't know - and just how far THE POLITICS OF PURPORTED SCIENCE skews uncertainty towards the popular, accepted 'truth'.

#54 Thanks Ecolizzy....eh for forcing me to read them

Oh they make me so..wanting to get a red pen out mark them and send them back with "must do better you don't fully grasp the subject yet"

I could have switched off on the first line, second word-aggressive.

This is the false paradigm mentality that causes the problem. They think they have to make war, get violent with the planet. The planet where the life we are evolved from.

We are part of a planet, the host of our existence. The planet is sick because we are slowly killing it. So the mentality is we get aggressive.

Imagine being on a hospital ward, any ward. Maternity, surgical, heart, medical anything. Do the doctors and nurses come in grab every patient and give them a good slapping 4 times a day as part of the treatment.

We must 'fight' climate change is another classic.

The planetary ecological systems need restoring and enhancing. Like a hospital caring for a patient, like a craftsman lovingly working on a classic car, like a watchmaker repairing a time piece.

But the rhetoric of dealing with the planet is that of the flick knife and the Uzi 9mm.

I read the Freeview text earlier, Australians demonstrating. They want to protect the environment FROM climate change. A changing climate is OF and PART OF the environment.

Someone once wrote that climate change (but using it as an example for the greater planetary ecosystem) was more important than terrorism (as in please don't drop bombs on children). Oh it was me.

Anyway the media celebrities, politicians and world leaders all glanced at it, and climate change was more important and a greater threat than terrorism. So they ran of in their macho way to make war on that as well/ instead of.

None took the time to understand the mission or the solutions already existed. Just ran off making sounds of battle against another enemy they had invented. An enemy they couldn't see. because they didn't realise they and all the mess they had created was the enemy.


#19 Above
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2009/06/friday_12_june_2009.html

Perhaps next week it may be time to put a patrol together and go into deep country to rescue the idiots running around, lost in darkness, screaming words of war.

Before they start shooting the innocent.

The Celtic Lion

Nos25

yes but in black she's lickable
and lickable beats yes


Brownie points for your writing Barrie.

#54#55#56 Ecolizzy Barrie and Me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMbwp1pYCI&feature=related

Yes it is ECO. Eco from the Greek oikos management of the home. Or the bigger home Earth.

It doesn't matter what factors cause anything. Things still have to be managed.

Reality is a web in space and time of interaction. Everything affecting everything else. All decisions have consequences. all feeding back and affecting everything. Everything is in flux.

Even if change on the planet is really being caused by Klingons hiding behind Jupiter with a cosmic fan heater, just out for a cruise and having a laugh. It doesn't really matter. We still have to manage the change.

IF change, ANY CHANGE , I don't even have to use the word climate. REDUCES THE GROSS OR NET PRIMARY PRODUCTIVITY OF THE PLANET.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_production


(You only need to read the one sentence that begins at the end of line two. 12 words.)

THEN WE ARE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE.

I didn't write it. Trust me I have been totally absorbed by ecology since I was 18 months old. At this point in time that line is true.

I don't mean diversionary asides like the collapse of the global economic system . Or Purnell resigning. Or dropping out of the ERM. Or shares prices falling. Or Subo may or may not performing at the Britain's Got Talent. Or Ronaldo leaving Manchester United.

It doesn't matter one jot whether Gordon Brown uses his time phoning up Simon Cowell to find out if Susan Boyle is OK or deals with global economic collapse. Both are relatively on par with each other in the cosmic scheme of things. Both are performance and theatrics brought to you via the same media.



Even though in my submission to the UN report which the UK Government was to base future policy on, despite the fact that the week before we had had still born twins and I was so shocked that grinning politicians thought it was fine and acceptable and OK to drop bombs on children. I still wrote "IF CO2 causes climate change" and "So I have been told". The lawyers, the politicians, decided not to read that 'small print' this time. The IF. They still dropped bombs on children then also decided they could deal with the running the complexity of this planet by tax and legislation.

To any climate scientists reading this. When we set up the new generation of UK climate models, at the DTI Conference Centre London in December 2002. (Which contributed to the 2007 Nobel Prize).

When the man from DEFRA (the Funder) imposed parameters on the models I was the bloke who stood up and told him that was wrong. I thank the other 299 of the top climate scientists in world for not saying I was wrong.

Barrie I appreciate what you say about methane and all the other factors. But it is government who decide the parameters. Not the scientists. Because Government control the funding. So we have the infinite complexity of eternity and infinity, the existence of life. Think about all that involves.

But your rosette stands decide what can be considered. Which the media then further dilute for mass consumption and 'understanding'.

Does it really matter in great scheme of things if 6 billion people die and 60 million species of animal and plant become extinct if a politician can get elected for a few years or the stock market goes up for a few months. There are priorities in this planet, and they are not about living or life.

Celtic Lion

#55 I don't know Barrie! I just read all these different things, and can't make up my mind about any of it! I expect JJ would describe me in some way, ditherer, indecisive or somesuch! ; )

And as I've just been to see Mose Allison, and had a glass or two of wine, I don't care much at the moment! ; )

#56 Ah Leo that's good, at least you're telling me that they are probably wrong! My feeling is consumerism and everybody running around the globe all the time is some of the main problem.

Ever heard of Natalie Nahai? She's very good. : )

#60 Ecolizzy

No I am saying they are right but for the wrong reasons. Which is far worse, because if they don't know waht the cause is, how can they solve it.

This one

https://www.nathalienahai.com/

"consumerism and everybody running around the globe all the time is some of the main problem."

So the G20 to get out of the economic aside increase consumerism. They did completelty and totally the wrong thing.

Leo the Lion

#59 Ecolizzy

Did Mose Allison influence the Doors, Listen from 2.35 onwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKbPUzhWeeI

Celtic Lion

Just listened to the Andrew Marr show.

After seasoned reporter John Simpson tells us that he heard some hots fired 'but no one was killed' (how does he know?) Harriet Harman says her main mission in life is to arrive at a 50:50 split on women in politics and the Cabinet.

An interesting priority, and in light of all else facing us at the hands of various bean-counters, box-tickers and target-meeters (at the expense of any tangible, rational actions) one I would have liked to be delved into further.

But I do have more for the new word thread.

FOR NEW WORDS TO PROSPER IT IS ONLY REQUIRED THAT GOOD WORDS MEAN NOTHING (#63)

Hi Junkk! I was struck by the Harman illogic of 50:50 man/woman - sigh. (Didn't we decide that discriminates against the 'don't knows'?)

Just as no one will tell us how many Swine Flu infectees are now free of it, the word-nutters are ignoring the rate at which we are LOSING words.

Words now redundant: GRAVITAS INTEGRITY LOGIC PHILOSOPHY. I almost added COMPETENCE, but under EU law, that now means POWER as in: "All UK competences will be stripped from those annoying islanders and buried at the dark heart of Europe."

Hence we have a third category to go with 'new' and 'redundant' - namely: 'rassigned'.

Have you noticed how WE are getting sucked into the vacuous, gravity-free swamp? (There's some popular science for Susan!)

Barrie, as one who spends too much time (and energy) in the cause of words (my day job) and also... maybe even more... on lost causes/words (my tea breaks, evenings and weekends) I fear you are right (especially on writing? Talk is now too cheap).

And what you suggest has sort of become a dimly flickering bulb in my consciousness for a wee while. Hence still lobbing in the odd mot (using French for pretension and to avoid repetition), if not always a bon one, here lest some who seek power for better reasons than most might get all empathetic and be inspired to act against every self-interested aspect of their breed.

Hence little reminders may yet have value. Here's hoping.

BON MOT (An effective defensive, water-filled circular ditch - Fr. of castles.)

La plume de ma Tante est, maintenant, dans le Coeur d'Europe. Aussi, je ne plus de feu . . .

Hoping along with you!

#62 Yes Mr Lion, I think he probably did influence the Doors, but then an awful lot of other people as well. It's amazing the songs he's written, that I didn't know he had. Did you know he wrote "Parchman Farm", I think John Mayall must have been influenced by him as well. I'd better shut up now, or I'll have the wrath of NN bloggers on me! ; )

And what do NN bloggers think about this? https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8099408.stm Is he right?

#61 Leo, Yes that's the girl.

A SMALL POINT PERHAPS BUT . . . (#68)

QUOTE: Paul Krugman, who won the 2008 Nobel prize for economics, said that the UK's economic policies had been "pretty good" and called them "intelligent".

Did this giant in the land of money-magic, spot the crash coming? Thought not.

Incidentally, I have, for decades, resisted the temptation to gamble with my savings. I LOST NOTHING. Is there a Nobel Prize for simple common sense? Thought not.

Why should we take note of Paul Krugman? On balance, I am the better judge of global finance. (:o)

#68 Ecolizzy

No he is completely wrong. One thing it shows is the abysmal level of knowledge required for a Nobel Prize in economics. So they give a Nobel out to someone who could not foresee the crash coming and do something about it.

Why don't economist's understand their own subject?

They called it an economic Tsunami. In the Tsunami the sea went into recession the level went into depression. Many of those who died were the ones who walked out wondering where the water went.

Those who went in the opposite direction were the ones who survived. But we have the politicians, the media, the bankers, the economists all running and trying to get the water back in our economic Tsunami.

The big destructive crash is yet to come, just like those found out went the water went out. The economic system is a sub system of the human social system which is a sub system of the planetary bio/ecological system.

What we have had is a minor tremor in a minor system. If it was an earth tremor people would be evacuated before the big quake, the big volcanic explosion.

All the politicians, bankers, economists and the media have done is go in the wrong direction, straight into the danger zone. Increasing consumption. This will make the crash of the planet's ecological life support systems inevitable. Extinction of all higher life forms.

Not only do I find it unbelievable that the BBC not only do they give publicity to such rubbish, I find it unbelievable that they are even permitted to do it. Surely they should have some duty of care.

They try to shut down sites which give details of how to commit suicide. Yet the BBC are allowed to publish details of how to commit mass genocide and speciocide. (Is that a word, what is the word for the deliberate extinction of all life on Earth.)

Unbelievable the Olympic 2012 ad has just come on the 'fight' against climate change. And a 'Green' Britain day. Just how are they permitted to air such tosh. Who comes up with such insane ideas.

Actually I know. I got contacted via the Government to give advice on making the Olympics Green and sustainable. What's the phrase, "you can't polish a t__d".

Celtic Lion

#69 Barrie

Sorry Barrie when I posted #70 I hadn't read your post they crossed in cyberspace.

Celtic Lion

HEY CELTIC - MY MAIN MAN!

When relevant, I always check the time log (which - on a good day - is accurate and helpful).

I like the one about going to see where the 'water had gone', but there the analogy breaks down, as in the case of global money the 'ocean' was illusory.

By the way - you seem to carry some brief for Homo Sapiens as worth saving. Have I got that wrong, or might you defend the position with a dissertation? (:o) Personally I think we are a frontal-lobe too far, aberrant and expendable.

NAIVE BUT MEANS WELL - OR WORSE?

junkkMale (#63) "Harriet Harman says her main mission in life is to arrive at a 50:50 split on women in politics and the Cabinet"

From which can we infer that she is a) self-centred/narcissistic (going by her own stature?) b) scentifically ill-informed about sexual-dimorphism c) sexist and d) a danger to the effective governance of this country. Or is she just good at subversion like the rest of New Labour?

Looking at the facts of the matter, and watching Nicky Campebell interview Brons and colleague on TV today, and noting that neither he, nor many of his panel/audience could see theirsocial fascism, I wonder just how many people will be bothered to note the subversive force of this? It's very cleverly done. VERY.

To see it requires one to do a complete inversion of what most take for granted, but it fits the fact and explains the deviations from what one would expect by chance. peole do not what the BNP to be heard not because of what the BNP allegedly stands for, but because of other illusions/sacred cows which will be exposed for what they are - and that risks some losing money and power.

LET'S PUT MANDY AND SMOKEY IN CHARGE OF THE UK

Mandelson, who is supremely relaxed about the filthy rich, and Ken who became filthy rich selling tobacco to feed a pathetic, filthy addiction, must surely constitute all the governance expertise this decadent nation needs (deserves?)
If demeanour is anything to go by, they are so magnificently capable, they need only put in one day a week.

As for the imminent investigation into the Iraq war (gifted by IDS to Tony): if you have tears to shed - don't bother.

barrie (#69) But are you as well connected? or as magnanimous?

PS. I have grave doubts about the philanthrophic and empirical merits of 'economics', but ask that you please keep that under your hat, as I don't want nobody nicking that idea for no Nobel Prize nor nuffink ;-).

#72 Barrie

Well we seemed to be surfing the same psychic wave there.

I would like to think Homo sapiens had a future. Just for the sake of having something to show for all the effort of 4 billion years of evolution.

But on a cosmic universe scale we could be just a blind ending track on the shunting yard of life. Its baffling how are leaders are a result of a process of selection of the worst.

We would only be worth saving if we could contribute something to the planet and universe that made us. And to the future.

As it is to be truthful I'm more concerned with the rest of life.

Look at us Barrie. some lawyer says who wants to drop bombs on children, and hundreds of our leaders jab their arms in the air like school kids, volunteering for a trip to the fair. Where did the scum come from?

Are we really worth it?

Celtic Lion

BUT WHO'S PHIL?

Addendum (#75) Some American schools are clearly philofrothic, quite apart from alternative spelling they appear to have a passion for alternatve realities.

That's what one must expect from a people who take seriously policies like 'no school should be below average!' [see their 'No Child Left Behind', or here, our 'Every Child Matters'].

Anyone care to challenge this?

"WHERE DID THE SCUM COME FROM?" (#76)

I suspect scum-leaders in the animal kingdom can be quite advantageous to group survival. But charisma and scum seem inexorably connected, so the Ape Confused by Language is stuffed.


NO REFUGE

So many gifts are heaven sent
to humble souls who close-the-ground dwell.
That bounty owned, I still ask why
Charisma's gifted to the scoundrel.

In Stateside joust the hopefuls bring
great cogency and erudition.
But then Charisma mounts the stage
and wins the country's top position.

Poor Gordon followed Tony's stint
felt sure that any fool could juggle.
Charisma's gilt is jester-gold;
he's lost without it and must struggle.

All's right and fair in love and war
and politicians' quest for power.
Charisma tips injustice' scales;
the wrong man comes - cometh the hour.

Mind is no match for instinct's urge;
a fundamental to confound all.
Mankind is doomed, like Hamelin's rats
to scamper to the piping scoundrel.

PHILOFROTHIC (#77)

Nobel Prize for literature goes to Jaded Jean for ONE WORD. It sums up everything about the 'out to lunch' modern world that defies up-summing. 3-year-olds should be corralled and taught to meditate on it in the 'Meditation Hour'; shortly to be introduced by er - who's doing education now? All those Proxymorons will rush to embrace its intrinsic nowness.

#77 JJ

"No school should be below average"

No that job seems one that would take an infinite amount of time. No school being below average would occur at the same point that parallel lines meet.

The conditions for this to occur must happen when the absolute ceiling on or levels of intellectual performance, ability across the spectrum of skills by all members of the schools is reached.

Obviously this is a phenotypic expression.

So to ensure there is no average to fall below. We must ensure that their is no genetic variation in any of the the children and that all of them are subjected to exactly the same environmental factors. So in every individual genetic plus environmental conditioning are the same.

So we must have a race of genetically identical and genetically perfect children to meet the criteria. We muct condition them and educated them in exactly the same way to achive our goal

And zen ve vill av for 1000 years ze perfect results and for ze thousand years ve vill av....

(Mods it is satire and kind of ironical in a Go1 sort of way)

Celtic Lion

CLIMATE CHANGE CLIMATE CHANGE

Well I've turned on my TV and the whole McCartney clan have appeared. They are telling us me must not eat meat for one day to stop climate change.

You don't know who these McCartnies are. One flies around the world showing of these clothes that she has drawn pictures of and someone else makes, so these other girls who fly around the world can walk up and down a raised platform can show them off so these other people who fly around the world can take pictures of them. So other people who fly around the world can by them.

It is very important work and a vital contribution to the well being and sustainability of this planet. Any contribution she makes to climate change by doing all this flying round the world is more than offset by..

Hang on I'll have to go and think about that. But as in #80 I may only find the answer where those parallel lines meet.


Celtic Lion

73 JJ Very Clever VERY. By Half they are not Clever at all

Sad n Stupid is what they are

(Not A Leg 2 Stand On) a bit like repubLickins

tony blArse for/as head of state. Right

when does the fire start

What is this guy talking about when he talks about the 'Discreet Charm of Newsnight Review'?

https://moralorder.mediumisthemess.com/

(Scroll down to Saturday 13th).

SEEN IT WITH MY OWN EYES I HAVE

KingCelticLion (#80) "No that job seems one that would take an infinite amount of time. No school being below average would occur at the same point that parallel lines meet."

Ah, but you're just one of them high falootin' intellectuals who thinks they can change the world (or climate). Everyone who has ever stood on a long railway line and looked into the distance can see with their own eyes that they meet, just as anyone with a brain can see that the sun goes round the earth, that programs like Brain-Gym, HeadStart, Aiming High raise attainment, that Speech and Language Therapy rehabilitates offenders and that psychotherapy cures the maladjusted - lots of people have seen it with their own eyes.

Only an odd bunch of geeky boffins don't trust common-sense and what folk see with their own eyes. There's got to be something wrong with 'em - autistic or something - they don't mix well with ordinary folk and have communications difficulties - if they see ordinary folk, they run away they do!

I DRAW THE LINE AT ASYMPTOTICRY (#80)

Are you sure Celtic? Isn't it just Animal Farm revisited: "all schools shall be equal", said another way to make it sound uplifting? Of course, the easiest way to avoid below average schools is to set the bar VERY LOW. So, to rephrase: "NO SCHOOL SHALL SET A STANDARD THAT CANNOT BE REACHED BY ALL". (Stop that grinning JJ.) I think if Labour trumpet that ethos across all the services, they could get in with a landslide.

Dumbing down would be conquered - 'down' would be abolished. How the bankers will cheer!

Sorry Barrie I missed that one I didn't acknowledge reverse speak hidden ideology. There was me trying to go in the wrong direction to obtain an average.

Celtic

PS I wrote this post 5 times, then just deleted it all. I think it was because it made sense. I keep forgetting....

The Incredible Human Journey has finished. Shame as it is based on real science and it was very interesting.

Dr Alice Roberts ended up saying that there is very little difference between the races. To me that reinforces the view that genetic variation is greater within a race than between races and therefore there is no scientific basis for the so-called race "realism" of the far right posters who frequent this page.

By the way when 99% of thousands of world class scientists in a field agree that there is climate change due to human impact based on the cumulative total of thousands of years of research it is worth listening.

It does make sense.

Blears apologised to the sinned against Brown (who does not apologise except grudgingly for bank regulation failures) - but where is McBride?

Will this Scarlet Pimpernell ever be seen again?

Will the House of Commons committee ever lay eyes upon him?

Will he join Lord Lucan in the annals of the "disappeared"?

The "loose canon" who cannot be found.

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

On the Beeb we have a video report 'We could have forecasted recession sooner'.

SHOULD we have forecast it earlier and more importantly WILL we be able to forecast any future crisis. Has didly squat really changed since the G20.

Paul Mason?

#87 Go1

"The Incredible Human Journey has finished."

At least we agree on that now all the crazies behind the increase of consumerism and consumption plus all the other G20 madness destroy the ecological systems of the planet.

"By the way when 99% of thousands of world class scientists in a field"

That'll be Glastonbury then I presume.

Celtic Lion

A frequent cry of the far right posters on this page, who ideologically sound very similar to Von Bruun who shot up a Holocaust museum site in the US, is "do you understand us - we are so clever" in a manner of speaking.

Maybe it is helpful to know that you don't have to grasp the inner universe of the Manson Family to grasp pretty well what was going down with them.

The swaztika on the forehead was a clue I think.

81. At 10:02am on 15 Jun 2009, KingCelticLion wrote:
CLIMATE CHANGE CLIMATE CHANGE

LOL.

What they should have done is got their people to call Aunty's people and had Ethical Man 'bump into' them in a railway station in Diego Garcia... or Hawaii (I've noticed globe-trotting eco-warriors and their irony-free chroniclers do like it warm and sunny, no pun intended):)

That way many boxes would get ticked.

#93 JunkkMale

Oh dear and this is a BBC blog

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/climatechange/2009/06/the_unpredictable_weather.html

A truth in the matter and for for Go1. I was invited to the meeting to set up the new generation of UK earth and climate models. By these people.

https://quest.bris.ac.uk/

All the pre literature said it was a 'Blue sky' programme. No restriction on how the models would be created.

So off I went with my 20,000 words and my diagrams of the architecture of the systems of the the way I considered the Earth system could be modelled.

All was going fine until the funder (DEFRA, they funded the NERC) decided and told us they wanted the model compatible with the previous generation of Hadley Centre models.

Like going to a convention to discuss new methods of music recording and the person who is funding the do pulls out a vinyl 45 and says you can do anything you want as long as it looks like this.

I stood up infront of 300 Go1's 1000's of scientists and told DEFRA I didn't think that was right by limiting the parameters of the project.

Guess how many of the 300 top climate scientists in the UK and Europe got up after me, and told me I was wrong. One less than in Go1s team.

Now in a complex dynamically interactive system every factor affects every other. So I fully agree CO2 will be part of it. But so will many other factors.

Any way I better go and check my Vegemite and Tofu supplies. So Stella can fly Business Class on a 747 with some drawings of clothes and Paul can visit his girlfriend. Then go to one of those warm sunny beaches, as it's raining a bit here.

Celtic Lion

Surely The BBC shouldn't allow a family that owns a vegetarian sausage factory to appear on one of it's programmes and tell us all to not eat meat for one day.

thegangofone (#92) "A frequent cry of the far right posters on this page, who ideologically sound very similar to Von Bruun who shot up a Holocaust museum site in the US, is "do you understand us - we are so clever" in a manner of speaking."

There's no point anyone reminding you of the disproportionate attack on Gaza by Israel is there? Do you consider yourself a chosen person? Are your needs and wishes more important than those of others? Are there 'far right' Israelis/Jews? Do you express hostile views about them or are you more selective?

The far right are anarchistic free-marketeers not statists. Perhaps Stalin (and Hitler) saw that Trotskyites and Social Democrats (e.g. New Labour) in practice implement policies whereby people are blinded by froth and individualism - i.e. that de facto people end up with no collective political representation, and merely serve as hordes of placid debt-slaves/consumers?

TILTING AT ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING

JunkkMale (#93) Wasn't Justin's conclusion (basically) that whatever good deeds he and his family came up with to help save the planet, it was all undone by having another baby?

Given that only reasonably well educated people bother to follow Newsnight (with at least one notable exception it would seem ;-), I guess that's one more box ticked in the 'let's increase differential/dysgenic fertilty in order to advance our hegemony' conspiracy by the evil-ones - the other being promotion of useless degrees and jobs for 'brighter' females ;-)

I was going to post a comment on this site about the topic in question. But having read through some of the posts already on here, I`ve decided against it.
It is nothing but a free-for-all, for all the little childish supposedly adults who should know better and stop complaining about other people`s views.
If you are going to leave a comment, do so, please do not act like a 5-year-old who has been sent to the corner of the classroom by the teacher.
Grow Up!

marineJohn-H (#97) "I was going to post a comment on this site about the topic in question. But having read through some of the posts already on here, I`ve decided against it."

But there wasn't a topic was there? If you read around the comments you'll see that there is, lurking within them, a consistent theme, and a lot of disagreement focuses on that theme.

"It is nothing but a free-for-all, for all the little childish supposedly adults who should know better and stop complaining about other people`s views."

No it isn't ;-)

"If you are going to leave a comment, do so, please do not act like a 5-year-old who has been sent to the corner of the classroom by the teacher. Grow Up!"

That sounds like a very bossy 6 year old ;-)

#90 Go1

"WILL we be able to forecast any future crisis".

Of course we can predict most future crises.

As you have pointed on this blog I was able to inform the police of the date and magnitude of UK flooding before it happened. The present economic situation was so easy to predict to the nearest £billion years ago.

That is not the problem. The problem is getting people to do something to avoid such situations.

What power would the politicians have waving their arms about, dealing with such crises, if they could be avoided in the first place?

How many times have I posted. The decisions of the G20 to stabiise the economic sub system in the short term will contribute to the collapse of the planet's ecological life support system.

You will not get a bigger crisis then that. 10,000s read this blog, Newsnight reads this blog, the BBCs flagship news and current affairs programme. For this to get posted the mods must read it.

There are more important things. Britain's Got Talent has just finished. BB has just started. Then I'm a Celebrity... There is a world cup in football next year, as well as a general election.

Nothing will get done it will be business as usual, until the known problem manifests. The politicians and media will take a reactive stance. But it will be too late.

Just see how much will be done. Nothing. Being able to determine future problems results in the Cassandra Complex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra_%28metaphor%29

We can predict future crises. It is just that nothing is done to avert them.

Go1. Do a little experiment, just to satisfy yourself Start writing to all the media, phone up newsdesks of all the major papers. Write to your MP, the PM all MPs. Tell them that global ecological systems will collapse in the near future. Tell them this will result in the extinction of all higher life forms on the planet. Tell them this can be avoided.

See how much help you get to prevent this crisis.

Celtic Lion

Slightly OT, but can anyone please explain why Newsnight Review has been hijacked by the politicos? In the good old days - oh, I don't know, let's say three weeks ago - NR consisted of Kirsty or Martha with a number of invited guests (please not Ekow Eshun though) talking about RECENT film/TV/opera/book releases. In the latest show two long-dead TV dramas, a book by Trollope that was televised eight years ago and Hogarth were co-opted in an incredibly clumsy and unforgivable boring attempt to link current affairs and the arts. There are virtually no serious arts review programmes where the non-metropolitan can get their fix of current arts - why hijack this one? Seriously. Why?