So, the Twilight Saga is a bit of a guilty pleasure of sorts for you then, Mark? Are you going to read the books? Please post a video when you do! :D

Twilight did have some interesting elements as discussed and the reason it works past the obvious selling points is that it does have some ideas about the vampire genre that make for good teen drama.



The baseball scene in Twilight was a very refreshing idea, showing vampires protecting a human from other vampires! The director was very on the ball and she does know how to do great teen angst films: Lords of Dogtown and 13 etc.



I'm not sure that New Moon has a director who is as able with this kind of material, however like the Potter movies perhaps the brand is now so well established that money will roll in and it's quite a hard thing to break so long as you remain true to the key elements behind the story.



The fact that the third movie is already in post-production shows how much faith the studios have in the brand and things could be a lot worse... COUGH! Transformers... COUGH! Spiderman etc etc

The 'baseball' scene in Twilight was hilarious, it was so badly shot and edited. The Harry Potter's, whatever you may think of them, are all beautifully made, imaginative, films.

Mr Kermode, I was really disappointed by your review of this film. In the same show, you talk about the political point of view of Michael Caine's latest, and then go on to praise this film which portrays a very patronizing view of women and an unhealthy relationship model as desirable.

I can accept the fact that this movie is for teenage girls. I can also accept the fact that characters are unrealistic and rather flat (Bella has no interests, plans for future, and it seems that the only thing on Earth that can make her happy is a boy, or rather THE boy). I’m quite happy with muscular boys running through the forest in cut-of shorts. What I cannot accept is how terribly boring this movie is. I don’t know how anybody can defend it.

Oh, and the way Robert Pattinson talks… it just annoys me.

First Star Trek, now this! My faith is very shaken.

Damn! From Mark's review and the above I might have to see 'Twilight' now. Have to say I thought it a teen movie when it came out (and I'm not a fan of the H. Potter movies either, thought I have read several of the books - they're OK'ish.) Hope I'm pleasantly surprised.



Just watched the Delux, 2 movie, edition of 'Red Cliff'.

Very pleasantly impressed; you wouldn't immediately guess it was a John Woo movie (not much slo-mo or [thankfully] wirework) with very impressive battle scenes, the final one particularly.



It's much, much better than Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Hero etc. Plus a lot of focus on character, narrative and historical accuracy in costume, sets and props.

Dare I say it, it bares comparison to some of the best war epics of the past that Hollywood has produced. I include Lean and Kubrick in that.

Best watched over two nights though.

Forgive me; if you've not seen the trailers, here's one. (The 2 films on DVD have subtitles.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A17reerR5sM

The Twilight Saga: Nothing New Under the Moon.

Still the same old misogynist folderol posing as a harmless teen flick.

Here's hoping that the third installment features a cameo by Lili Taylor as seen in Ferrara's "The Addiction".

Then at least we'd have some interesting discourse to pass the time with.



Pattinson: "Your scent, it's like a drug to me. You're like my own personal brand of heroin."



Taylor: "Dependency is a marvelous thing. It does more for the soul than any formulation of doctoral material."



Pattinson: "I hate you for making me want you so much."

Man, I'm perplexed as nuts.



I love it.

Dear Mark



I've just seen the worst film of the year and for once I totally disagree with you.

Twilight New Moon is bad, very bad, and yes, it is worst than Bride Wars.



Not only is it badly written, it is badly acted and badly shot (the Wolf CGI???!!!!)



And the whole "stay a Virgin (airlines?) as long as possible-sex before marriage is bad" thing?



SPOILER:

She begs him TO DO IT, but he says: "No, let's wait at least another five years"

she says"No, that's toooo long, let's make it three"

he says "Oh you are such a stubborn girl, then my only condition is: marry me. Then we can DO IT".



Rarely have I seen a female leading character so insignificant, dull and uniteresting.



The only girl who has any charm and beauty at all, the evil red-head Victoria (she is in the only really beautifully shot scene in the woods), is depicted like a witch. She has DONE IT, SHE LIKES DOING IT, therefore she is wicked.Hmmmmm....

All the other (good) vampires (the ones who have DONE IT) feel bad about it and are trying NOT TO DO IT AGAIN.



It seems to me this message appeals very much to fathers of teenagere daughters, who would like their daughters to postpone all that stuff until they are at least 93, but, come on...

Totally agree with fortunesfool73.



First star trek and now this.I'm beginning to think double standards again..

The last one felt like a two hour long emo music video. Luckily the girlfriend is let me take her to see New Moon tonight. Yeeeaaahhhhhhh.

Not seen either film, they do look rather awful.



As Teen Vamp films go, I was raised on THE LOST BOYS, its unlikely that another Teen Vamp film could every top that... Death By Stereo!

Mark, I love you. You old romantic. Glad it's not just me who enjoyed this film.

Giving good reviews to drivel like this and Jennifer's Body isn't exactly helping your case when you say you're not biased towards horror films (or vaguely horror in the case of Twilight)

Well what can i say. I think a cross fade means a passage of time has occurred. It teetered on okay at points but i was just bored. But in fairness the girlfriend loved it so.....

This sounds to me like Mark trying to prove how postmodern he is.



I have to admit this review irritated me.

I haven't seen the films or read the books but they don't sounds very original. Girl falls in love with vampire, vampire falls in love with girl, vampire leaves girl for her own good, girl falls in love with werewolf and werewolf a metaphor for teenage sexuality. Hasn't all this been done a million times before? In fact every single one of those aspects has been in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.



I want to see these films to form a proper opinion but is this franchise actually adding anything new to the genre?

P.S. although it's interesting to note that David Slade (Hard Candy, 30 Days of Night) is directing the next one so maybe that will be more interesting.

Actually I have read all the books about a hundred times and was very disappointed in the movie. It was filled with horrilble acting and most of the best points made in the book were absent in the movie. Disappointed

I think the New Moon review was totally reasonable- if a film can please its target audience for all the right reasons (i.e. not just by appealing to the lowest common denomenator) then what's the problem? Also- as the good Dr. pointed out- if you start to look at the whole teen werewolf/vampire thing as metaphor for adolescent boys becoming dangerous as they grow up then there's really more depth to the whole thing than you can usually expect from the average teen film.

P.s. I think 5tella's comment is total nonsense. Now that everyone knows Stephanie Myer's a Mormon (or whatever) they're desperate to somehow prove that the whole series is just some abstinence tract. What people fail to recognise is that the not-having-sex bit is actually about unfulfilled desires, a theme that has existed in Western Literature pretty much since its inception and actually has nothing to morals or Christianity.

Hummmm.....the idea that this, the sequel to one of the most tedious, slushy, slow moving and down right patronising movies I've seen in...well forever, is in anyway entertaining to anyone who isn't 13, female and a fan of the Jonas Brothers is very difficult to believe. However as mentioned above Mark did like Star (yawn) Trek so I guess there's no accounting the Doctors taste.

The problem with the twilight saga is not that they are an terrible peice of fiction, but tha despite the target audience being huge, it has limited appealto everyone exept teenage girls and their middle aged parents.

I also believe it isn't going to last long because it's target audience is too limited to be cult and it's plot is too mainstream influenced to gain it's cult status.

Twilight fans have been in knots for almost a year over the second chapter of Stephenie Meyers' vampire series. The New Moon comes out Nov. 20th, and there are already New Moon reviews out. The consensus among critics is that the film – you’ll have to pardon the pun – really BITES. (How am I not supposed to make that joke?) Rotten Tomatoes along some of the really big reviewers have decided that the novelty has worn off, and are giving the film a hiding. If you got payday loans for camping gear to wait days for tickets, it might have been a waste.

Saw Twilight, was pleasantly surprised by the direction and cgi, the plot had something too it.



Saw New Moon, that's two hours i'll never get back. A movie based on the hinge that Bella might fall for Jake when everyone knows and can clearly see he's out of the picture the second old messy-locks is back. Pedestrian, badly paced and dull.

What is it with you people? always analysing and dissecting content as if you need everyone to acknowledge your higher plain of meaning and existence... watch a film, enjoy it or don’t enjoy... then go and do something useful with your higher knowledge.



For the record, I enjoyed both films, and now I’m off to do something useful...

I was watching New Moon with my teenage sister and felt incredible nervous during Bella's 'Depression scenes'. I felt the suggestion of suicide over a relationship breakdown were dangerous and irresponsible to a teenage audience.

I also felt, the only female role model for Bella, the partner of the head werewolf seemed to be condoning domestic voilence. She 'Stood too close when he was angry' and yet, like Bella, was too hopelessly in love and now carries the graphic facial scars.



Maybe i'm being tgo sensitive, let me know what you think!

I kind of agree Lucy comments on the 7/12. Bella is portrayed as the victim. The whole book reinforces the central idea that woman are the second sex and ultimately weaker than men.



On another note, has anyone read 'Strange Angels' by Lili St Crow? It's kind of in the same vein as New Moon, but i'd say a bit less romantic and more action. Check it out, let me know what you think.

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Appreciate to read more post on bbc chanel. I love reading the twilight story and "New Moon" is one of parts in this film that I deeply like watching.Pretty good post and hope you post again soon.

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I am New Moon fan. Looking forward to more interesting discussions and reviews on New Moon. Now come here and talk about New Moon!

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As for me, I've read and heard a lot of comments about this film. The las one I've heard was that the vampires become younger and younger in the films and soon we'll have vampire-babies. As for me, I liked the film a lot. It is kind, it teaches a lot of nice things. I've found a list of sites where everyone can check all the details about the film: https://www.pdfok.com/twilight-saga . There there are not only fan websites but also the ones where I found information about shooting the film. In my opinion it is very interesting to see how the film was shoot. What interesting was held when the cameras were off.

I've lost all respect for Kermode, they doesn't appear to have any principles regarding his reviews anymore on one hand they feels strongly about convincing people not to watch Pirates of the Caribbean (which is far superior to any Twilight film) read review from here watch anime online & then they gives this piece of trash a positive review. You have lost a fan Mark.

Sorry, Doc, but I must interject here. Perhaps it is because I (rather arrogantly, by my own admission) consider my self a relatively intelligent young person (I don't want to give away my age, for fear of being looked down at but let's just say I'm comfortably within the target group for this film, albeit the male half) I could not watch this film without feeling patronised and a little ill. I would be able to pass this film off a "not really my thing, but whatever" if it wasn't for the rich seam of inherent sexism running through this instalment and indeed the entire franchise. There is a scene in this in which one of the "werewolves" (not actually werewolves of course, but shape shifters, it's a technicality that I have bored many female friends with)is seen with his girlfriend who has a massive scar, inflicted by him, across her face. But it's OK, they're in love. I'm sorry, but that is reprehensible. Also, when Edward leaves Bella, oh what's that? She can't carry on. She is a wreck without a man in her life. Ridiculous.



I respect your opinion, Doc, but I think you may have taken some powerful hallucinogenic substance to enjoy this. Not only is it sexist, but away from all that, it's poorly written, boringly directed, and poorly acted (R-patz and K-stew just do not do it for me).



Rant over. For now.



Much Love,

Aidan DeLarge.

Oh, but on the plus side Michael Sheen's scene was pretty watchable. Balance, balance, balance, that's how my rants go.

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I tried to read the books and only made it through two and a half. I figured the movies had to be better. Like Marcin, I'm quite happy with taylor lautner running around on screen half-naked. In fact I once ran into a display counter at a store because I was eyeing a Twilight poster featuring Taylor Lautner. I am not a movie reviewer though. And Mark, this review feel a little like you're eyeing the poster and tripping over yourself.

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