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| Wednesday, 22 January, 2003, 09:56 GMT Is assisted suicide ever justified? ![]() Police are to investigate the widow of a British man who died after committing assisted suicide in Switzerland on Monday. Reginald Crew suffered motor neurone disease for four years and made his way to Switzerland on Monday, where assisted suicide is not legalised but is widely seen as a humane act. A Swiss politician has denounced the practice of travelling abroad to be medically helped to die, fearing Switzerland will become a destination for so-called "death tourism". With his wife by his side, 70-year-old Mr Crew planned to take a lethal barbiturate, which is not illegal as long as he drank it himself. Mr Crew told the BBC before his death: "I don't want to go on living like this. I have had enough." Helping someone to commit suicide is illegal in Britain, despite a number of legal challenges. What do you think about the practice? Should British laws on assisted suicide be relaxed? Is it ever justified to help someone to die? This debate is now closed. Read a selection of your comments below. Your reaction I had to watch my father die of MND. His last words were "give me a gun so I can die". Then, 3 years later, I watched my mum die of cancer, a long painful death. She had asked my family to help her die but we never had the guts to do so. However, I feel that if a person wishes to be allowed to die on their terms then we should respect their wishes. I have a living will saying this and hope somebody listens to me and allows me to die the death of my choice. If that is against the laws of God and the state I am sorry. Maybe I am being selfish and stupid, but I thought God was a forgiving and compassionate God. I personally believe that when one comes to a stage of no cure and quality of life starts diminishing rapidly then if one wishes to die should be allowed to do so. In the same time some other factors needs to be considered as well. Often a seriously ill person wants to die because s/he does not want to a burden to his/her carers.
Georgina Lawrence, England If you are deeply religious and believe that god should take you when your time has come, then why do you accept life support machines, and intravenous feeding to keep a terminally ill person alive? Surely this is not God's way. If he gave us the freedom to prolong the natural death of another person then surely he would give that person the freedom to end their misery. And if suffering is part of that faith then why do you accept pain killing drugs for those nearing the end with cancer? My thoughts are with Mrs Crew. If an Assisted suicide type of death of any sort became legal, but I personally held to my beliefs that it was wrong, and then became ill enough to be pressured by those who think it justifiable, I would be very, very worried. If it was legal by then, I guarantee I would not be left alone, people would sidle up and hint to me. They would adopt the embarrassed way of asking for organs after a death. A premeditated death is no-one's business but God's.
Alison ter Haar, England After watching the horrible death my father-in-law endured as he lost his battle to a rare cancer I can without a doubt say that assisted suicide should be legal. My husband and I watched as his father turned from a strong burly man into a shadow. He never asked us for help to leave that life but if he had, we wouldn't have hesitated for a moment. We have given so much of our lives to the government rules and regulations - do they deserve our deaths as well? When it comes to killing, as in other matters in life, the motive is all-important. Killing out of genuine compassion is not a sin (crime against life). Killing out of self-interest is. Who is the ultimate judge of the motive? It is not the killer. If you kill someone simply because you cannot bear to see them suffer, is that compassion? No, it is not, it is your own lack of capacity in the face of suffering.
Richard Webber, UK Unfortunately it could never be legally acceptable to perform the task of euthanasia on a presumably suffering human being. Law relies fully on black and white philosophical principles of what is right and wrong but regrettably this is an area of human society that is weighted very much in the grey; which in turn has various shades and textures. I don't want to see anyone suffer but who can really have the right to judge who should live and who should die? Once one has considered that point, a proverbial "can of worms" presents itself. We feel it necessary to stop our pets from being in pain, and let them die with dignity, yet we do not allow our own species the same luxury. I do not believe in a God therefore I see that I have every right to end my life when I see fit. However, I can appreciate that for the medical profession it is hard - they are there to save lives. Start debating the subject more and you never know, we may come up with a workable option not open to abuse! I see that the Police are going to "investigate" the family of this man. Typical. Irrespective of the ethics of Mr Crew's suicide, the family has done nothing wrong and yet the police now intend to stamp all over their grief in their Size 12's. These are the same police that can't be bothered to chase burglars. Disgusting.
Joanne I have two friends who go to church regularly. Both have had abortions and view the process as nothing more than a medical option, and their choice. They are vehemently opposed to legalizing assisted suicide and argue their case along all the lines brought out in this Talking Point. I have a hard time understanding society accepts the termination of life while the offended intellect is in no position to protest, yet demands the right to intervene when someone decides to leave us while they can do so in a dignified state, still resembling the person they want us to remember. I would want the option while capable of making an informed decision of my own. Watching someone slowly dying from a disease that cannot be cured is unfair not only for the family but the victim. I believe you should have the right to die, under the right conditions, and this should not be challenged by anyone. No-one owns you. If Mr crew's case goes to court it will be an outrage. Can't someone just die in peace if it is for the better?
Anthony Allen, UK Good grief, have the police nothing better to do than to investigate the relatives of terminally ill patients. We all know that the wife of the man who committed suicide in Switzerland will not be prosecuted so why don't they use their manpower more effectively and leave the poor woman alone. I watched my father die a very slow and painful death. I had to listen to him begging for the end to come. He did die in the end, a former shadow of himself with no dignity. I know that if I was to suffer this way I would wish to die long before my father did. I wonder just how many of these do-gooders have experienced this!
Chris Beauchamp, UK Surely everyone has the right to live a dignified life - and if someone is suffering a debilitating disease which leaves them with no dignity, if they wish to end their lives they should be permitted. How on earth can the Church or the government make the decision of whether or not this course of action is right or wrong. Ultimately only the person suffering is able to make that decision. Another example of political correctness gone mad. What on earth will be achieved from investigating his wife who has already been through enough and is absolutely no risk whatsoever to anyone else? I know it's a clich�, but why don't they try and catch and convict some dangerous criminals.
John Herron, UK This surely is a matter of freedom of choice. If someone has expressed a well-thought out and reasoned wish to die, then their wishes should be respected. Surely the fact that people are finding ways around the law illustrates that the law itself is at fault. The Dutch system shows, clearly, how safeguards can be put in place to prevent abuse of such a system. Surely the key test is quality of life, if there is no quality of life due to illness and the patient wishes to no longer live then it should be his/her choice. After all as people have pointed out here we do the same for animals, but we decide for them! If something like this happens to me I want the right to die without the indignity of having to go to court or those who help me facing jail.
JB, UK Life is a gift from God. I believe we are all created in the image and likeness of God and have no right to end someone's life. If we have a quality or pain threshold in a life on which we base whether someone is entitled to die, we have seriously failed as human beings. As a parent of a severely handicapped son, only now I appreciate that there is substantial value and potential in people's lives. Therefore, if we allow even one step along this very dangerous path, what message does that send to any of our disabled colleagues? That this poor unfortunate man has to travel to a different country to receive the medical treatment (and yes, I consider suicide to be a medical treatment) is a horrible indictment of the outdatedness of the UK's legal position on the right to die. Where's the humanity in this charade? We should legalise assisted suicide (with suitable medically-supervised procedural safeguards) immediately. It's the problem of explicit, informed consent. Legal authorities appear to be worried by creating a gap through which murderers could pass. I don't have a problem with assisted suicide but the possibility of the criminal use of the practice must be recognised. Having seen both my parents suffer in terminal illnesses and heard them asking to put them out of their respective misery, painful as their eventual death may be, it is kinder to enable them to do so if they wish. If a pet animal was suffering as such we would not hesitate in having them put down, but to do so to human beings at their bidding is unlawful. It is time things changed. As most people seem to believe the person should have a right to choose (as long as they are capable of making that decision) then what is the problem? All anyone wants is to be able to make their own decisions without horrible consequences! I believe that every living human being on the planet has been given a right to live, a right to life. It is surely therefore wrong that anyone can turn round and say that they want to end it whenever they choose. Leave nature to do its work, life can be painful and emotional and distressing, but that is what life is half about. People have to accept that however tragic, life should go on until nature decides otherwise. To Mr Crew: May you walk freely and enjoy the freedom you now have. My thoughts go to your wife.
Graham, England We choose to create life, why can't we have the right to assist in ending someone's misery? There is no doubt that seeing a loved one die slowly is most certainly very unpleasant and distressing. Even more so for the person suffering. However, I still believe that the beginning and the end of life needs to be left in the hands of God. As for there being no hope, this is simply not true - ignore the church, sure; but don't ignore the fact that those who have faith in Jesus have eternal hope in heaven, without any pain or suffering. To Steve, UK. If you have religious beliefs then you have every right to live your life accordingly. But don't have the arrogance to impose them on everyone else. If I, an atheist, were ever to find myself in a position similar to Mr Crew or Mrs Pretty, I would resent having my choices limited because of the religious views of others. As other contributors have said, if the patient in question is of sound mind, then the decision should be theirs and theirs alone and not subject to external interference, be it medical, religious, political or otherwise. It is surely not beyond the bounds of possibility that appropriate safeguards and procedures could be devised to ensure the system would not be open to abuse. So long as mental illness is not clouding issues and no pressure is being put on the individual, then surely people should be given the right to choose whether they want to end their own suffering, with professional and understanding assistance. Apart from the obvious religious concerns, the main trouble with assisted suicide is drawing the line. I totally agree with assisted suicide. With new human rights laws being introduced surely the right to die should be included, and assistance should be available for those unable to carry out their wishes. I continue to be embarrassed that Diane Pretty was not given the right to assisted suicide here. I see no reason whatsoever why a reasonable and sane adult cannot decide when enough is enough and when they can no longer tolerate the mental or physical anguish of a terminal illness. It's cruel to deny them this right.
My sister would have given anything to have that ventilator switched off and if we could have helped her legally - we would have done. Life is not always sweet and with MND there is no cure, no hope - just despair. My sister had Familial MND which means that there is a possibility that I or my brothers could get it. I know that I would book the first flight to Switzerland if I was told that I had MND. I find it amazing that animals are "put out of their misery" yet humans have to endure psychological and physical torment because of do-gooders. The government is quite prepared to send very able bodied men to their deaths in Iraq, but sick frail people must live! Why?
Ian Lowe, Scotland, UK I witnessed my father-in-law pass away in 1981 from MND which had been initially diagnosed in 1978. My mother passed away from stomach cancer in 1979. In both instances, assisted suicide would have been a blessing. In both instances they were being kept alive waiting for the end. The quality of life that was being "enjoyed", and I use that term very loosely, did not exist. If you take a cat to the vet and it is in pain and cannot be cured or terminally ill, the vet will tell you that it would be better for the animal's sake to put it down. Surely this must be analogous to humans too? We are no better than cats or dogs after all. The argument is that everyone has the right to live, which is very true. But surely no one has the right to make a terminally ill person suffer in agony until they pass away, causing suffering for the person, and the loved ones who have to watch them suffer. We are humane with animals, we wouldn't dare watch them suffer, why are we so different?
Kathy Willsea, USA Assisted suicide can be a dangerous thing to legislate. A living will, describing in detail the circumstances under which a person would like to die could be used. I hope that by the time my infirmity comes that this issue will be cleared up. There is nothing dignified about dying as a shell of your former self, or about enduring agony from which there will be no respite. I am an English nurse who has lived and worked in Holland for 13 years, I have seen euthanasia carried out here. It was an extremely moving and dignified experience. Families should not be left to carry out something like this, the guilt is enormous. Leave it to responsible and compassionate professionals. Instead of running away from this issue it is high time the powers that be faced up to it and then at least there could be some controls in place to protect against abuse of this right!!!
John Lavender, England Surely if the individual is mentally all there, the decision is for that person alone? Not for the government, and certainly not for the church. It is never easy, but a decision that society must face up to. Instead of prosecuting his wife for helping him to die, why don't we deal with the criminals who kill for the sake of killing? I'm pretty sure that if I had a debilitating disease, which would slowly take away control of my bodily functions, I would rather be put out of my misery, than lead a life as a shadow of my former self. Having seen the effects of multiple sclerosis first hand, similar to motor neurone disease, I believe that anybody who suffers such illnesses and is unable to use their basic functions has the right to die as and when they choose. |
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