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Friday, 11 October, 2002, 12:35 GMT 13:35 UK
'It has been quite an ordeal'
Glyn Technology School
Teacher Steve Taverner is on stress leave
The teacher who received death threats from two of his pupils at Glyn Technology School in Epsom says reinstating the boys sends out the wrong signals on discipline.

This is the transcript of the interview teacher Steve Taverner gave to BBC education correspondent James Westhead.


Teacher: I was at the appeal meeting so it was quite an ordeal to have to defend my decision and then two days later to be told by the appeals panel that these boys were going to be reinstated.

I could not believe that three fair-minded people - having read the transcripts, having been told what had happened, having been told how it affected me and my family - could in any way overturn the head's or the governors' decision.

Westhead: What effect do you think it has had on not just you but the school and the discipline of the school?

Teacher: I think it could have a devastating effect on, or could have had a devastating effect on, the discipline in the school because it's really giving every child in that school the message that you can say things to teachers, you can threaten to injure teachers, you can even threaten to kill teachers and yet nothing will be done.

They can come back to school again and I think it's very, very important that these boys are not allowed back in the school so that the school can get back to normal, so that the discipline can be reinforced because there's good discipline in the school.

It's a popular school and I would hate to see the school's reputation suffer because of this.

Westhead: But there's a legal stalemate at the moment because there's no way to overturn the appeal panel's decision. It's final.

Teacher: That's correct and that's up to the LEA to sort out when they meet the parents today.

Westhead: The parents have said that they feel their children have suffered enough and that they have been punished enough. They have been off school for five months; these threats were not real threats, they say, and that's why the appeal panel rightly overturned that decision. How do you feel about that? And they're also saying they're not going to accept a place somewhere else. They want their kids to go back to school.

Teacher: I leave it to your listeners and viewers to make a decision whether they thought the threats were real.

The parents made the decision back in June to appeal and therefore they have gone down that course and we are where we are today because of those parents appealing and also the independent appeals panel reinstating those boys.

I don't know really how those children could come back to Glyn in the circumstances.

It would certainly devastate me if they came back, hence why I'm off school at the moment through stress.

Westhead: You felt those threats were real enough?

Teacher: I certainly did at the time. I didn't know who they were.

I wouldn't have involved the police and everyone else if I thought they were just jokes.

Westhead: How do you feel about it now that the secretary of state has intervened in this and said that it must be sorted out? Does that reassure you or are you worried that because of the finality of this appeals panel decision there's nothing that can be done?

Teacher: I'm extremely relieved that Estelle Morris has intervened and so quickly.

I think that's a credit to her and her advisers. The pity is that nothing like this happened sooner and it's due to the media pressure that someone has intervened like this.

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The BBC's James Westhead
"The mother of one of the pupils has hit back"
Chris Keates, NASUWT
"This case is highlighting the perversity of these appeals"
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