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Talking Point On AirThursday, 22 April, 1999, 11:41 GMT 12:41 UK
What next for Kosovo's refugees?
Refugees queue to cross the border into Albania
Talking Point On Air is broadcast live on BBC News Online and BBC World Service radio on Sundays at 1405GMT. This Sunday we discussed the refugee crisis evolving in the Balkans.


Your reaction since the programme

I am originally from Gjakova (Djakovica in Serbian) and I haven't heard from my family for about a week and a half ago. I have no clue where they are. The scariest part of all this is that the Serbs who are committing these atrocities know who they kill and know who they are making them leave Kosova. I talked to a family from Gjakova who are now in Albania, told me that as the Serbs were kicking them out of their house, they told them "Now go to Clinton where you have sent your son...." The son truly is in America. Nato gave the Serbs too much time to sent all the troops that are killing and expelling now. Clinton's overstated claim "Not another Bosnia in Kosova," and the reality happening now, makes me feel sorry for the American foreign policy.
Mike, Kosova

After going through the e-mails, it seems that the Yugoslavia people mostly Serbs are angry with the bombing. Some scared, some crying for the world to feel pity. Do you know what you are feeling now is what Albanians have felt for months, scared that a Serbian soldier or police just come and kill you. Day and night suffering, being chase out of their homes.
You Serbs cry for pity but what about all the Albanians that have been crying for so long. You as the people of Yugoslavia can make that changes ask Milosevic to accept the peace plan. It is wrong for Nato to bomb Yugoslavia, but if its the only way to make you Serbs wake-up than I am backing Nato all the way.
Ryan, Malaysia

When I read these comments I think to myself that only history can be the judge of who is right and who is wrong. It may be that Nato force is unjustified but, in answer to these comments, mostly from well to do people sitting comfortably in front of their computer screens, how would you react if for instance your resident country started ethnically cleansing you using such brutal means as shelling and firing squad just because your ancestors some five or six generations back were not natives? To think that all ethnic Albanians in Kosovo are K.L.A. is lunacy! To think this all started because Milosevic refused to accept the offer of a return to the autonomy that Kosovo had under Tito. I am also hearing people in Nato member states suggesting that Britain and the U.S. shoulder the refugee burden on their own. How about these countries doing their share? Britain for one has bankrupt itself twice over this century fighting World wars in Europe and abroad one of which involved a monster far worse than Milosevic.
Simon, Isle of Man

When shall we stop fooling ourselves this whole thing is for sake of any refugee? Of course I'm mourning for all unfortunate people (including my two daughters and 8-month old son), but the essence is that Nato wants the control over the "gap" between Poland - Hungary - Greece (Macedonia and Bosnia are already occupied and controlled). Also, talks about "actions against one man - Milosevic" while devastating the whole country is at least cynical. People are not just driven away from their homes, but being exterminated. I don't want to name any of the nations - we're all human beings. And did anybody think for a second about the people who can't leave their homes, but doomed to stay where they are, and only waiting for the next bomb on their head to "help" them stop worrying.
Mirko B, Yugoslavia

By taking in these poor souls as refugees, you have caved in to Milosevic. The objective was to return them to their homeland, at least show the guts of your countrymen and do what is right and send in ground troops.
Andy O'Pray, Canada

Every morning I think where to run from possible death. Every evening I put myself to sleep saying to myself that if bomb hits my house, I won't feel anything. I am not afraid of dying, I am afraid that I'll be crippled by bomb effects. When Freedom Bridge in Novi Sad was bombed it was full of people, pedestrians, cyclists and drivers. No one reported that. We all have gun pointed at our heads. Nato is doing the same thing as Milosevic. Only, Serbs have nowhere to run. Pray for us.
Tatjana Prokic, Serbia

Refugee is a person leaving their home and heading to unknown. Refugee is NOT a person leaving Kosovo and heading to homeland, Albania. Most of the people that lived in Kosovo are citizens of Albania, illegally transported in Kosovo during past years. Kosovo is Yugoslav province, it is not Albanian province. It is absurd to call somebody a refugee, when a man is fully armed, born in Albania and drilled in army camp in Albania. Ordinary people that can be called refugee are terrorised and manipulated by KLA, which is Albania based terrorist organisation, financed mostly from drug smuggling business. The rest is propaganda.
Ceda, Yugoslavia

With the refugee situation reaching beyond a disaster it amazes me that the responsible bodies are not applying a broader vision to the resolution of temporarily housing the refugees. Surely it would not be too difficult to ask that all owners of cruise liners that are not in service to sail them to the Adriatic and anchor them at convenient ports where they could take on board at least some of the refugees and provide them with decent living conditions, food and sustenance. Use every ship that is spare including the Royal Yacht if it has not yet been broken up. Old cruise liners anything that floats and has accommodation. Pressure cruise companies to take their liners out of service.
Then considering it is still not the summer holiday season. So who is occupying the myriad of holiday hotels on the Mediterranean coast? In Italy, Spain, Greece, Cyprus and France? Transport the refugees there and at least give them some temporary respite. Use and commandeer ferries from all over the world to transport them. Take British Columbia's new super CAT ferry and others at least that way the cost of building it could be justified!!!
Bob Mountfort, Canada

Nato's Air strikes will not solve the problems in Kosovo. It is the problem between the SERBS and Ethnic Albanians. US always like to dictate terms on other countries. If Indian Government takes extreme measure to crackdown the terrorist in Kashmir US may try to BOMB our country also. This can happen to any country in the world. Nato should not win this WAR.
Radhika Menon, India

So many political agendas being played out. So many people who think they know where to ship refugees, who is to blame. The media, the government all of us are responsible for our ignorance. We know nothing about what is really happening. People are dying and we are pointing fingers, clapping, booing. We are all to blame.
C, Canada

PEOPLE OF SERBIA! The world mourns with you! Though we cannot feel the pain you feel, or cry the tears you cry, every individual with a conscience to his name will remember your valiant struggle. But don't give up, don't let the forces of the West think that they can oppress a FREE COUNTRY. I read an e-mail by this young gil who is currently living in her basement. She asked "How many of us will have to die before we have peace, tell us Americans." I started crying when I read that. This is not a fight over ethnic-Albanians or the KLA or anything like that. It is fight for your basic human rights of freedom, peace, and of course, LIFE! The world stands with you. Don't lose hope. No more children will have to die, no more...
Ishan, Indian living in the US

I just would like to say the people of Kosovo are caught between 2 bullies, at the moment. To them I say I am sorry! I don't know who is right or who is wrong. My one concern is how are these people going to salvage a life out of the rubble!! Is NATO going to be there for the long haul? Once this "skirmish?" is over the people of Kosovo will need financial help along with material goods to re-build. Will NATO be there then? Saying I'm sorry just isn't good enough...
Crystal Jensen, USA

I have recently returned from taking a school party to the WW1 Battlefields of Flanders and the Somme. Whilst sat outside a cafe in the central square of Bruge, reading the headlines about the capture of 3 US army soldiers, it was quite chilling to think that people were sat in that very square reading similar headlines on the Serbian question 85 years ago. Then, the Balkans lit the fuse to a European conflagration. I hope and pray that history will not once again repeat itself.
R. Davies, England

Why haven't in this humanitarian disaster, many other countries helped as they have before have helped them? For instance, Mexico, why haven't they sent, or at least offered some assistance? The international community has also helped us in the past, why shouldn't we also do the same?
Sebastian Monterrubio, Mexico

The Nato air strikes have not stopped Milosevic from wiping out villages and leaving thousands of people as refugees every day. The world community has a responsibility to make sure that the refugees are accepted in the countries they flee to, that borders are left open and that clean water, food and medicine is available, to stop the next silent killers such as hunger and disease.
Amrita, Canada

About the refugees, the only way to solve the problem is for the USA and UK to provide cargo planes to transport them to those countries, but of course that would deprive the media of all these pictures that we see, and of course that is the reason they keeping these people slipping in the mud. For the bombing I'm totally in favour, and I'm waiting for Nato to bomb Turkey, for the right of the Kurds to have a country as well as for the occupation of Cyprus, and after they are done with them, to bomb Israel for the occupation of Palestine. But what can we expect from a person who commits adultery in the oval office. Then lie about it to his people and the world, why should we think he is telling us the truth now?
Nick Papadopoulos, Greece

A partition of the province of Kosovo and incorporation of the sections into Albania and Yugoslavia is the only sane recourse. Such an action will save unknown thousands of lives and result in an immediate end to the hostilities. Peace in the Balkans, unfortunately, depends on the existence of ethnically homogeneous states. The west allowed and welcomed Croatia's ethnic cleansing of over 200,000 Serbs from the Krajina region in the mid 1990's. Let Milosevic and Nato representatives meet and thrash out a deal in Moscow for a similar division of territory in the province of Kosovo.
Eric Fitzios, Canada

I have read all your comments. No one party of people deserves to be treated in this way. The crucifixion of the Albanians may be a test from God questioning your true soul. I question all motives here. Mine is to see the suffering stop. These people can endure no more. Look to your heart and do the right thing. Save the refugees. Pray for Yugoslavia. The world will help you rebuild.
Melanie Buswell, USA

Nato shamelessly parades Albanian refugees for it's propaganda purposes in this conflict. We all remember that there were no refugees before Nato started bombing Yugoslavia. All of a sudden after 10 days of unsuccessful Nato bombing campaign there are refugees who will make people in North America, gathered over their Easter dinner, sicken and want to annihilate Serbs. Unbelievable! I realise that this world will probably vanish in nuclear flames pretty soon.
Slaven, Canada

People say that Nato's bombing led to the refugee crisis; although the refugees seem to remember being forced out by the Yugoslav Army at gunpoint (if they were lucky enough not to be killed.) The West sat by during Croatia as well as Bosnia; had we acted then, the current situation might have never happened. The Serbs claim to be innocent victims of Nato aggression; but despite the state-controlled media (notwithstanding the recently-censored B92) they surely know what horrors their government has done or sponsored throughout the former Yugoslavia. The Germans after WW2 claimed that they didn't know about the Holocaust, either. We tried to negotiate, but the Yugoslav government refused to restore any of the autonomy that Tito had granted the Kosovars, but which Milosevic had taken away - this is the genesis of the KLA.
The West sat by as Hitler ethnically cleansed Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, etc, in the name of the protection of the German people. The West sat by as Milosevic ravaged Croatia, aided to ravage Bosnia, and is ravaging Kosovo, in the name of the protection of the Serbian people. It seems that, to the Serbs, that only the Serbs deserve control or equality. Sound familiar?
Andrew McKenzie, USA

Help these misplaced people and stop complaining, Also Nato should go after Milosevic.
Yakub Gujarati, Singapore

What I cannot believe is that more Albanian people are not fighting for the freedom of their people. I watch the news and see many many grown men fleeing like cowards. If we are willing to fight for them why don't they fight for their freedom?
Jim Dwy, USA

I feel that it is now time to put in ground troops to stop this war once and for all. The refugees need help and support to return to their own country. They should be encouraged to help construct their temporary campsites. The issue of refugees going to other countries is wrong because of the many different cultures involved, they should stay and as soon as it is safe to do so go back to their own homes.
L Radcliffe, GB

I have been keenly following from Germany your reporting on the Kosovo crisis for over six months. As a sign of your proven independence you have interviewed several times in the past week the Head of the Serbian Information Centre in the UK. Next time you interview him, please ask him: If it were true that the exodus of Kosovo Albanians has been provoked by the Nato air attacks, where are the Serbian civil and humanitarian organisations to help them? If a sovereign country had part of its population displaced by attacks of a foreign power, one would expect a massive, concentrated action by the rest of the population to help them. Instead it is Nato that is doing it!
Joaquim Ferreira-Godinho, Germany

The refugees should be given back their land and those who have created the mess should have to restore the infrastructure and the normal conditions for living for all the people who lived once in Kosovo: Albanians, Serbs, Gypsies, Turks, etc. Kosovo should be given autonomy after "Swiss model", that is all ethnic groups must be granted the right to live there in even rights, backed with a "Marshal plan" for the whole area. The Serbs must abandon Milosevic as well as the Albanians must abandon KLA, for KLA and Milosevic are the two faces of the same coin, that one of hatred and evil.
Stephan Nikolov, UK

It's obvious that the humanitarian reasons don't fuel Nato's engine, because then they would have intervened in Serb Krajina, Croatia, 4 years ago or in Rwanda. Therefore, when talking about the intervention, please skip the humanitarian crisis as the reason number one. Maybe Nato wants to finish carving up ex-Yugoslavia for its 50th birthday?
Mikula Mali, Dalmatia

What next for Kosovo refugees? How about, what next for the impoverished and bombed Yugoslavia? The next step for Nato is making a deal with Milosevic, the same dictator that is being accused of the 'atrocities'. Isn't he giving Nato a good show for the Western public, a cause to maintain the organisation in its current shape and size? Kosovo Albanians are suffering, Serbs are suffering, but Milosevic and Nato are only getting stronger.
PM, Canada


Your reaction during the programme

General McArthur caused huge controversy with his views at the end of his military career. Once war is forced upon us, there is no other alternative than to apply every available means to bring it to a swift end.
Wars' very object is victory, not for long indecision."
These words ring chillingly true now.
Bernie UK, Belgium

NATO is acting as the air-force of a terrorist organisation, the KLA. If it sends ground troops to Kosovo, they will fight back to back with terrorists.
Imagine Russian air-force supporting the IRA in Northern Ireland.
Should we justify that or not? Not
Dragana Tasic, UK

"They make a wasteland and they call it Peace." --Tacitus, Roman Historian.
It was true at the beginning of the first millennium and sadly it is still true at the end of the second.
The refugee crisis would not be happening if NATO had not begun bombing on March 24 and the unarmed monitors of the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) did not have to leave to make way for the attacks.
Louis Massano

I am proud that my country and others are proving their humanity and compassion by mounting their massive relief operation for the hapless victims of Yugoslavia's unprincipled attempt to steal an entire province from its rightful owners.
But what are the Muslim powers doing to help their fellow-religionists? Saudi Arabia, for instance, is extremely rich and disposes of massive airlift facilities.
Does not the Koran enjoin them to help as well? Is compassion for Christians only?
Lieut Colonel Guy Bellairs, Portugal

Whatever happens now, Milosevic has won. The expelled people will never want to return to their home.
The surrounding countries are unstable and likely to be in a mess for years. To his people, Milosevic is a hero.
Can you imagine your capital being bombed during your biggest religious festival ?
Martin Richter, UK

It breaks my heart watching the footage on television of these people standing in the rain and cold, newly borns, children, men and women, and the elderly.
I look at them and see my children, my brother's and sisters, my friends and my parents.
It is so frustrating to be watching and thinking of all that we have and being so far away.
Jocelyn House Australia

We might not agree on the actions that Nato might take next, but one thing should be clear, and it doesn't concern the political implications of the bombing: the refugees.
Genocide by any other name, is still genocide. And genocide concerns real people. May the bureaucrats who hold the 'political will' of the international community not forget the Holocaust, or Rwanda.
Jeff Yen, Singapore


Read reactions that came in before Talking Point On Air

People who suggest European countries shelter the Kosovar refugees are inadvertently using their opinions in favour of the ethnic cleansing goals by the Serbian government.
Gjergj Kastrioti, Albania

Why feel sorry for the Albanians? They wanted a free Kosovo did they expect to get it for free? If they want Albania - go back to Albania. Macedonia is doing the right thing in not accepting any more Albanians.
N Petrov, Macedonian living in Australia

Kosovo is for Kosovars. Their home is Kosovo. Nato should use ground forces to make their return home possible.
Ardit, Albania

If all Kosovars leave Kosovo then Milosevic's problem will be solved because no more ethnic Albanians will be fighting for Kosovo. If this territory is so sacred to Albanians they should not flee but stay and defend this land.
Andr� Nahoum, Brazil

Shame on those who say NATO actions caused the refugees to flee from Kosovo, when its well know who is massacring the people of Kosovo. It's certain that it is not NATO forces. Serbia should be punished for what she is doing to Balkans for all these years.
Shqipe Albanota, Tetova, Macedonia

It was about the time that NATO did this step, so everyone that feels as a human should support these actions.
Bekim Selami, Tetova, Macedonia

What is humanitarian situation like for 800,000 Serbian refugees from Bosnia an Croatia, who are now in Serbia? Who will pay everything you destroyed during this exercise for NATO?
Predrag Tanasic, Serbian refugee from Bosnia 1992.

I worked in UN mission in former Yugoslavia in 94-95. From my experience I learned that in such conflicts like in Kosovo both sides are doing wrong things and use violence. That's why it's very important to have independent observers there.
Raspopin, Russia

I have seen nothing about Serbian and other refugees, but Albanian. I can't believe that only Albanians are being displaced by the "WAR" western "allies" are inflicting on Yugoslavia.
Dan Bloom, Canada

The only good thing for the future of the refuges is to give arms to KLA.
Mytaher, Kosovar living in Istanbul

One more week of NATO bombing, and the Kosovo problem will be over. No more Kosovar Albanians will be left there.
Costas Betinakis, Greece

There is no way that NATO can escape a significant part of the blame for the burgeoning refugee problem. I hate that I am culpable along with my government for this great and cruel stupidity the bombing has created.
Beth James, Canada

Airlift these refugees to the NATO countries . We do not want them here.
James, Albania

The refugees should be given citizenship in the NATO countries (US and UK should pick up biggest share).
Naresh, India

The USA, Britain, France and Germany are responsible for these refugees. UK should pick up 100,000 refugees . That's their share and responsibility.
Sam, UK

A safe haven should have been offered before the bombing commenced. There isn't much time, shouldn't these visas be available now? What is the delay?
Tom, Australia

The simplest solution is stopping the bombing, at least temporarily, to see if the refugees can come back or not.
G.Chen, China

I am very surprised to know that the media has not said anything about what is happening to the orphans, with Macedonia closing its borders today, I am sure that there are many people like myself who would like to adopt two children from Kosovo.
Mrs Leticis Muris, Mexico City

I have a spare bedroom with enough room for a very small family or mother with one or two children. It's not a lot but the offer is genuine and heart felt. If the Red Cross or Nato could send them to the DFW airport in Dallas Texas. I could meet them there.
Karen Berghauser, USA

If the United States is so concerned about the Kosovo Albanian refugees, why doesn't she take 200,000 of them as immigrants?
Demetrios Kazakos, U.S.A.

Albanians enjoyed a lot higher standard of living in Kosovo and personal freedom than in their homeland in Albania.
Grad, Australia

In regard to the matter of the refugees, I personally do not believe that NATO are entirely to blame. Sure, with hindsight it's easy to declare their folly, but I for one heard no one voice these concerns before the attacks began.
Bob Huxtable

While one may feel great sympathy for the Kosovo refugees, no population in the world can allow a 30,000-strong terrorist force to be recruited from its ranks and hide among its civilians without expecting a harsh response from the government.
Fax from Robert Thiele in USA

Watching the USA/UK/CNN/BBC propaganda machine in action is truly sickening. What hope for our future ?
James McLaren, S Africa

For ages people were ruled by various dictatorships, nowadays the dictator is mass media that always target and hit the majority in a society, thereby making the so-called democracy possible. People should finally learn to think independently.
Dmitry Kulakov, Russia

I do not understand the complaint about there being no independent correspondents in Kosovo. The Serbian Service of Radio Free Europe has reporters on the ground who report regularly from various Yugoslav cities. Last evening the RFE correspondent in Pristina denied categorically Western allegations about the setting up of a concentration camp in the Pristina football stadium. She said, as eyewitness, that the place is deserted. A great deal of Western coverage of the situation in Kosovo is blatantly unprofessional and selective.
A. Branny, Krakow, Poland

The BBC has undoubtedly sided with the "terrible plight" of the ethnic-Albanians, so the idea of it being an impartial news service goes right down the drain. You have no plausible right to judge the situation and to give the rest of the world a tunnel-vision perspective on a conflict you cannot even properly report on!
Srdana, Bosnia

Have you watched a movie " Wag the Dog" with Dustin Hofman and Robert De Nero - about an American president? If you have not, please have a look at it and you might get all the answers to your questions!
G.Zivkovic, Australia

I cannot understand how, when the propaganda war is so important to Nato resolve to end this crisis, the Beeb allows indicted war criminals so much air time to threaten us in our living rooms. Let us make no mistake, this Arcan is a war criminal. Nobody in their right mind would have Goebbles on the air in the second world war.
John, Malta

It is clear that NATO is losing the propaganda war in the region by concentrating too much on military targets and less on removing Milosovic's formidable media machine.
Dominic (UK), living in Hungary

This propaganda war against Yugoslavia is worse than NATO bombs. BBC, CNN, ABC, ... caused this genocide.
Predrag, Belgrade

Don't be fooled by the media demonisation of Yugoslavia and its leader. The US produces a hate campaign of exactly this type whenever they want to invade somewhere, always criminalising and painting as mad the current Bad Man figure they're bravely fighting.
Brendan Tuohy, Aotearoa/New Zealand

Can you help one group of human beings by bombing others?
Krishnan, India

As a Macedonian Australian, my loyalties exist somewhat in Macedonia. I feel nothing but contempt for both Serbia and Albania. Macedonia is now considered to be the powder keg, with it's own sovereignty and borders being questioned. There is also a region in Macedonia where a greater portion of the population is Albanian. Is this to be given to the Albanians too?
Belinda, Australia

I am a Serbian lawyer 35 years old. I was living at nice house at small city near of Belgrade. NATO plane was bombing a civil chemical industry near of my home. My whole house is destroyed. My wife and two year old child is at hospital. I don't like a Milosevic, but now I want to going at War as a Serbian soldier.
Zoran Popovic, Yugoslavia

When has American military intervention done any good for a country and its people? This war is costing millions of dollars every day. NATO is creating a humanitarian catastrophe not preventing it and now they are asking all the neighbouring countries to pay the price.
Jelena Kojic, France

As time goes on, many of us begin to have an increasing sense of cynicism about the commercialism that is displayed in a "war" that spends lavishly on electronic toys for the "good ol' boys" while hardly leaving crumbs under the table for the refugees stranded in the hill country of NE Albania.
David Baynes, Canada

Are there any signs of other countries breaking away from NATO membership as a result of this disasterous attack on a sovereign nation which has already caused more casualties than it was supposed to prevent?
Dave Thomson

What happens next if the soldiers who were captured are executed allegedly for spying? This is just a thought of what one of the charges might be if they are court martialed, will this constitute all out war?
Melvyn Whittingslow

I'm writing you about the recent Nato attack on Novi Sad that targeted the bridge to Petrovaradin. Contrary to what the BBC claims, that wasn't a railway bridge, but an ordinary old bridge. It has been built after WW2, because another similar bridge was destroyed by the Nazis. It couldn't absolutely bear any military traffic, because of its weak structure (I've crossed it many times and I always felt insecure on it). Now, I'm asking you, this information you give to your listeners and you think BBC is doing a professional job ?
Riccardo Chelleri

NATO action is not really for humanitarian purpose. It is purely political. Why did Nato fail to stop genocide in Rwanda?
Esayas, Ethiopia

"NATO said IT HAD REPORTS of recent executions of leading ethnic Albanian intellectuals. RELIABLE SOURCES report that ..." Tell me - in a trial anywhere in the world, would statements like those be accepted?
larisa Zupanjevac Nikolic, Yugoslavia

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