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I agree with Agata from Swindon. The Polish Catholic Mission is all about getting money to the headquarters in London, not to the needy in Third World Countries. What is the money spent on, as all Polish parishioners who make a donation have a right to know.
My aunty stopped giving to them many moons ago, and used to help support the foregn missions in places like Africa.
Ana Nas
Polish Venice, Notts
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The role of the PBF
I agree with the Polish Parishoner from London The world has changed since the PBF was first set up in 1952. More and more stringent legislation has been imposed on all charities, and yes, even the Poles have to fit in with UK law. It is no longer a case of ‘zalatwi sie’. The previous administrations of the PBF either didn’t appreciate what was going on or buried their heads in the sand.
They cannot be blamed for their selfless efforts even if ignorance of the law is no justification. They failed to communicate what they were about and, even now, many prezesi of the LMA’s and the parish priests themselves still do not understand the role of the PBF and PMK. What chance do the elderly so called ‘beneficiaries’ have who think that the PMK has got something to do with ‘Afryka’ ? The recent Gift Aid fiasco with the Inland Revenue, which dealt a major dent in the finances of many LMA’s, was a case in point and was totally avoidable. It must never happen again !
The Gentleman in Black Velvet must take his share of the blame and not continue to swing the sword of Damacles above hisassociates.. He should realise that he is only sanctimoniously informing the Polish community of the rights of the beneficiaries under the terms of the Trust Deed which he KNEW himself.
It is however difficult not to blame the previous Rektorzy for not bringing in a new generation of professional people as Trustees. To his credit the current incumbent has done precisely that and the burden of bringing the Polish Community into the 21st century now rests with a new group of selfless individuals who, like their predecessors, not only do not derive any personal benefit but underwrite our future with their own personal assets.
the two leaders of the PBF and PMK should be given every help and support in their challenging roles. Many of the parishes are dying out not just as a result of old age but as a result of the failure of the original emigrees to hand over power to the next generation. How many prezesi are there still around at the age of 80 ?
How much potential was lost to the more welcoming English parishes and to demoralised oblivion ? How many of the first post-war generation who have survived and still frequent the polish parishes spend their time moaning about everything instead of directing their considerable creative energy into taking their place in the circle of community life ?
The new PBF Trustees have done precisely that and their reward is to preside over the inevitable demise of many of the smaller communities such as Stoke-on-Trent. It is their duty to do this with sensitivity and make adequate provision for the remaining parishioners. The PBF through its Trustees with the ‘General’ at the helm must expect constructive criticism as befits a democratic society but they deserve everyone’s support and not the anarchic insults that are the politics of the sewer.
Unless they can engage in a meaningful and constructive dialogue with their critics then Polish society as we know it may soon reach the point of no return. As for the Gentleman in Black Velvet he should cut his losses and re-consider the sacred principles and obligations of his original vocation !
Bezstronny
UK
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The Demise of Polish Clubs
The 'sad observer of the loss of polish community spirit in our 'leaders'' must question the motive of those inciting the 'trouble makers' before he/she takes sides against the PBF.
The demise of most of the Polish Clubs and parishes was self inflicted by our parents generation who failed to include and hand over control to their children who in turn left in droves to friendlier pastures.
The so called privatisation of the club in Nottingham is sadly a necessary consequence of Charity Law. Whereas the manner in which it has been handled is worthy of contempt, this pails into insignificance compared to the exploitation of the situation caused from men who should be preaching reconcillation.
Alfred Komar
Birmingham
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Notts Polish Club
I am writing in about the debate of the future of the Polish Club in Nottingham. i must say that although i am only a student i am so ASHAMED about the behaviour go on and do not like to admit that i am Polish because of this. It has gotten so far that people have been arrested because of this feud. Can't anoyone see that arguing about a stupid club is tearing the whole Polish Community apart??? What kind of example are we setting to the young children who so innocently learn Polish there every saturday and also the very future of the community-the scouting association? I do understand it must be a very difficult position to be in looking at it from a business point of view but let me just say, since Poland has joined the EU, i want to congratulate all the Polish people involved in this mess.what a great way it has been to show the rest of the UK and those comming from Poland how well we all function as a community. i hope Poland are proud of us.
notts polka
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PBF
You should haved attended the meeting on Sunday 23 May 2004 at 4pm in Nottingham. Let me quote your line "Do not be disruptive, listen to the answers, and feel free to give any light or hard questions as you may wish. The onus is on them to show that they have acted in your best interests".
The group that calls themselves "INTELIGENT" were" MUUUUUUU-ing all the time when they did not want to here the truth. Shame on you people and sincere Sorry to priest Jan Zareba for those horrible "catholics". What a show. Can just imagine them leading the club. I am disgusted and ashamed for their action and would like to appologise to pralat Kukla for their nasty behaviour.
AN
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pbf
Beneficiary of London.
I was a witness to the Parish Meeting in Nottingham of last Sunday 23rd May where PBF showed their true colours as regards meeting the needs of the Beneficiaries.
The founders of PBF were people of Great integrity who understood why Poles were not allowed to return to Poland after the war.Those Poles who did return vanished without trace.Many postwar Polish people stuck to their principles and even refused to apply for Consular passports when the Communists were in power until their demise in the late 1980's thus being in exile in this country.They did not apply for naturalisation which would have then entitled them to a British passport to visit their homeland , as the British Government would not have guaranteed their repatriation back to this country if these people would have been questioned as to where they were during the war by the Communists if they ste foot in Poland.
The events that unfolded at the meeting in Nottingham quite frankly can be equated to a Communist Party Meeting.People were given the parish statements only on entry to the meeting,when in fact all beneficiaries which parishioners are should have received these well in advance. When signing in they were also being demanded to fillin their addresses which thankfully many refused.
At the meeting itself, PBF tried to install one of their Trustees to chair the meeting( even though this directly contravenes their own rules) , the people refused. There then followed heated exchanges until finally the Chairman of the Parish was forced to chair the meeting as prescribed in the Parish rules which I might add all 78 parishes in England and Wales must adhere to as these rulesare what all of us are governed by.
What then followed was even more farcicul,statements were read out by the previous leaders of the LMA( local management agency, represtatives of PBF)No debate was allowed following these reports which inflamed the parishioners even more. Next came the so called 'Elections'to the LMA. PRCC RULES state that whilst the Chairman can be installed by the priest, all other officers of the LMA have to be ELECTED BY THE PARISHIONERS. The Parishioners, vocally demanded for elections to take place, but like all good Communist Party meetings, the voice of the people was disallowed,even to the point of microphones being switched off at crucial points.
The previous LMA was reinstalled with the full approval of the Rector and the Chairman of PBF .
And why you may ask they agreed to this so that the dirty deed of privitising our 'Osrodek'which besides still being a very viable and fully sustainable by the whole community,PBF are trying to had over to a group of 'business men'. This would then allow the Premises to be sold and for the coffers to swell even more at PBF Headquarters , and for what and for whom ? It is certainly not for the Beneficiaries of the Trust.
Monsignor Kukla please don't think PBF it is there to soley support PMK ,PBF funds are there for the support of Beneficiaries.Parishes graciously donated £67000 (Source Dziennik Polski newspaper). Nottingham Beneficiaries showed their ultimate distain when nearly 95% of the Benenficiaries of whom there were nearly 450 at the meeting, turned their backs at a call to the faithful to prayer at the end of the meeting and walked out in disgust because of a refusal to listen to the Parishioners.
Remeber the Beneficiaries are NOT there to serve PBF, BUT VISA VERSA Warning to all POLISH COMMUNITIES IN ENGLAND AND WALES. Read, digest and if you really want your communities to continue don't allow yourselves to be manipulated by a Trust which has responsiblities to its beneficiaries
WALDEMAR
NOTTINGHAM
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Role of the PBF
Mr Szparka and others.....
Having lived in the UK since the 1950's and attended Polska Szkola and Polish Churches, I find it incredible that some messages on the board fear a PBF takeover or see the PBF as the enemy!
For 40 years the PBF worked in the background not interferring in parish affairs - so now they are criticised for doing nothing. When the Polish parishes can no longer support themselves, the PBF is called in to sort the mess out - when they do say something, they are criticised for interferring.
Listen, the PBF can only act for the benefit of the people - Within Polish parishes, some people are for and others against, whatever the issue is. It has always been that way and some are grateful for the democracy our forefathers fought and died for, that allowed all the views to be aired. But, please don't invent bogeymen that don't exist.
Polish parishoner
London
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Polish Bene Fund
Its great to see some constructive views on this Board about the PBF, its role and responsibilities. Its a good organisation, but for a very long time, has run its own show without the discomfort of external verification by the beneficiaries. It can be uncomfortable, suddenly having to explain your actions. The way I see it, as far as the beneficiaries are concerned, they will get back as much as they put in - if they show interest, ask questions, get sensible answers, then maybe they'll contribute more, to their own benefit and that of the PBF. If they sit quietly and vote with their feet, they'll contribute nothing, but get nothing back as well.
J J Gabrielczyk
notts
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Polish Benevolent Fund
I think that in all honestly, the PBF has failed in its duty to provide local beneficiaries with a straight forward honest discussion. This is why a lot of people are angry at the way the Polish communities are being treated.
I understand that there are 2 discussions in 2 different parishes on Sunday 23rd May, Nottingham I beleive in 4pm and the other 6pm in Stoke.
Considering that stoke is approx 1 hour away, I do not think that Mr JSS and the Rev KUKLA are expecting to stay in Nottingham for a long time. Does anybody know why?
I would recommend all those who are interested in the survivial of there Polish communities, and give the members of the Pbf a frank and honest questioning.
Do not be disruptive, listen to the answers, and feel free to give any light or hard questions as you may wish. The onus is on them to show that they have acted in your best interests.
Whether or not people have secondary families in honduras, el salvador , ulan bator, warszawa, dakkar, baghdad etc and you are from Polish descent and are catholic, were originally from the UK, have any soft spot for the Polish community, feel free to join the meeting. After all we are all Polacy. This could happen to a polish community near you in the future!!!!
Glupi Polak
Krakow, Polska
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pbf longdon case
I doubt very much PBF would reply to any correspondence, as letter writing is not one of their strong points.
From what friends have told me in where places PBF are attempting to play their heavy hand and either turn the Osrodki into a commercial enterprises or sell the buildings. They don't seem to think that the local Polish community have any say in the matter ,even though all Polish people who came to this country after the war and had lived prewar in the terrotories of Poland as of 1939 as well as their off spring born here are classed as the beneficiaries of the trust.
There are some interesting postings that I have found on www pbf.monitor,ukonline.co.uk which might be useful reading. Unfortunately there are a few postings which are quite uncalled for and I notice the same individual has contributed on this message board. I thought this board is for intellectual discussion not for'mudslinging' and the besmirching of peoples private lives.
For those of us who are actually wanting to see these Osrodki continue we must be more vocal at local level.At the sametime if possibly a venue could be found for all concerned beneficiaries throughout the country to get together this would be even better. I consider PBF is not being run in the spirit that it was originally intended to be. Unfortunately ,there is apparently a poor command of English.
Where communities feel that PBF is failing them,perhaps you should consider writing to your local MP,the Charity Commission and possibly newspapers including dziennik polski who up to now have refused to publish anything which could cast a shadow on PBF'S actions for whatever reason. Could this mean that the freedom of the Polish press in this country is being curtailed and have PBF got their finger in there as well?
Finally in the next couple of weeks people will be standing outside our churches with collection boxes for 'Myscia Katolicka' many people are under the illusion that monies collected go for African missions ,I believe this money goes to the polish catholic mission in London which is the non chairtable side of PBF.
Until PBF becomes more open and accountable to all beneficiaries of the trust by possibly parishes being given the opportunity to vote for trustees to be appointed to run PBF, this organisation will be looked upon as the Pension fund for priests and nothing else.
Agata
swindon
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Reply to Stoke Polish Centre
J J Gabrielczyk, so that we can be clear, see pbf.monitor.ukonline. I think I have mentioned the discussion forum earlier. I think this web-site gives a good indication of what has been happening in other cities with the PBF, and I am sure that you would be happy to post any good or bad news in relation to the PBF actions in the UK?
Glupi Polak
Krakow, Polska
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Polish community web links
The Polish Community in Leicester now have a web site that may be of interest to your internet users. See Weblinks
Mr Jan Krupski
Leicester
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pbf
This is a call to all POLISH COMMUNITY CENTRES in England and Wales. Reading the postings on this message board it appears that something quite sinister is a foot as regards the safety of all Polish Osrodki in this country.
It seems to me that PBF are looking to swell their coffers by the sale of properties which most Polish communities signed over in the 1950's to be held in TRUST for the beneficiaries which Polish Parishioners are. Perhaps the Chairman,The Rector and the Trustees would do well to go back and read the 1952 Trust Deed and also remind themselves of the THREE objectives these being the relief of Poverty,furtherence of Education as well as Religion.
I would be very interested to know if anyone knows of any parish where PBF have met these objectives because from what Ican see all Osrodki have always been self supporting without any help from PBF.
Ifind it incredible that PBF, instead of helping their beneficiaries as in the case of the senior citizens of Longton by financially supporting them, chose to throw out the very people who initially funded the Osrodek.Had they supported these people they would have fulfilled at the very least one of the objectives of the trust deed.
Perhaps it is time that all Polish Osrodki in this country get together and establish a legal fighting fund to prevent the PBF from totally distroying all our communities. Unfortunately at this moment in time the hierarchy within PBF appears to have very little empathy with Post war Poles in this country
Z Szparka
London
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Stoke Polish Centre
In response to J J Gabrielczyk's suggestion of writing to the PBF for clarification about the use of funds from any sale of the Community's real estate. I believe the PBF has been requested for such information.
The priest who serves Longton and Leek should have done this long ago, and I believe he did, but with no helpful response (yet).
From talking to Committee Members, it seems they have also written recently requesting this information and a PBF representative at the next General Meeting which is in less than two weeks time. As far as I know they have received no response. I wonder if anything constructive can be achieved at the General Meeting if this vital information is lacking?
I'd suggest the Meeting would have to be adjourned - or at least any decision on the future of Centre/building deferred. There are questions that only the PBF can answer with regards to the possibilities for the Stoke Community. Why isn't it giving them to the people directly affected?
KW
Stoke
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Stoke-on-Trent Osrodek
It's sad to see that some individuals using this messageboard, seem to know as a fact that the Centre at Longton closing down, while those people who use it, including the Community Council Members are unaware of any decision.
I'm not saying these folks are wrong or that it's gossip, but if they are right, the PBF and PMK will have acted in an incredibly arrogant, not to say undemocratic way.
Don't let the PBF and PMK have its way over Longton. Attend the EGM at the Longton Centre on Sunday 23rd. May at 6.00pm. Come out in force! You have a right to be heard as a Member, an Associate Member or as a Beneficiary (i.e. any person of Polish decent who is RC). Ask the questions that need to be asked, make the PBF accountable, show your support for the community and its Centre.
Why don't Radio Stoke invite themselves along to find out what's happening? I'm sure the Committee would welcome them (if not the Priest
Duped by the PMK and PBF for too long
Stoke-on-Trent
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letters written
under whose instructions or authority have you written anything to anybody? you are resident in warsaw poland with a new family you are not a beneficiary - i hardly think you would be deemed an avid supporter i suggest you take your advise and go meddle in somebody elses problems
a kowalczyk
nottingham
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Trouble makers
I could agree more with the comments made by people about the so-called "trouble-makers". Yes, they are making trouble, but the question is, who for? They are in fact "troubling" the self-appointed bosses of the PBF by forcefully asking the self-appointed bosses of the PBF to account for their actions to the Polish community. This is exactly the same "trouble" the Communist Party had in Poland from the people. carry on "trouble-makers".
Lech
Gdansk
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The demise of Polish Clubs
It is worrying to see so many comments in this forum concering the role of the PBF and the priests provided through the Polish Mission in England and Wales.
It seems obvious to any observer that there is at the very least an image problem with these institutions - and it seems that money is at the root of these. While God may 'work in mysterious ways', Satan works in incidious ways both within and without the Church. Those whose actions are motivated by money and manipulating the situations in Polish communities should examine their consciences carefully as to whether they are acting in love and charity according to business acumen.
God bless those who have been labelled 'trouble-makers' for trying to oppose these trends and are in actual fact doing what the PBF should be doing which is to provide for the needs of the Poles in the UK.
Mr Sikora-Sikorski and the Rektor should take heed of the comments made by Marek of Wimbeldon, and listen to the needs of the people, as without their support they have no role, i.e. no one to serve.
Sad observer of the loss of Polish community spirit in our 'leaders'
Stoke-on-Trent
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Re: Polish CLub in Nottingham
Please note that the Polish Catholic Club has been evicted!!!! Those parish activities you mention are not club activities
Apolish benficiary
Krakow, Polska
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Stoke Polish Centre
In connection with the closure of the Centre and the points made about PBF, may I suggest that you, as Beneficiary resident in the area, write to Mr Sikora requesting clarification of what he intends to do with the proceeds of sale.
I am waiting for a response to an awkward letter which I have written to him, so I suggest you consider sending a copy to the pbf.monitor website, who may well post it up, and possibly a copy to the Charity Commissioners.
J J Gabrielczyk
Nottingham
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Polish Club Nottingham
re: a kowalczyk poniatowski in his letter states that a meeting of PARISHIONERS was not called to openly discuss the solutions and future prospects. The two EGM's were called for CLUB MEMBERS.
Even though the attendees would be in part at least the same at both, it is the parish who is the owner of the premises and the parishioners who decide what they want there (within legal limits of course).
I certainly agree with you that the continued existence of the club in its previous format could not really be justifiable.
Jan
Nottinghamshire
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Re Stoke on trent
Jurek Biegus junior, I am gueninely sadden at your loss. Wouldn't it be good if the Poles could unify for their cultural preservation. Their is more in-depth discussion on Polish matters nationwide on http://pbfmonitor.proboards30.com Please let the Polish voice in the UK be heard.
Glupi Polak
Krakow, Polska
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Polish club in Nottingham
A worried person in the Polish community, that wants the bar open! Just remember the position the Priest holds. To call him a meagre employee is not 100% true. By George, you're right when we should carry on running the club like a business, I have never heard of a "president" use the " I only did what I told by my bosses" after 7 months through a spokesman. Why be a president? Presidents are LEADERS and ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THERE ACTIONS.
A Polish parish is not like running a Polish state run company under pre 89 Polish management. The issue in receiving a license is up to the licensing authorities to decide. You see, we live in a DEMOCRACY, and both sides of the argument have to considered. I trust their judgement!!!!
Not A Kowalczyk
Poznan
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Stoke Polish Catholic Centre to be closed
It is with great regret that I must announce that the PBF have finally decided to close the Polish Catholic Centre in Stoke.
This is no great surprise and I certainly do not intend to condemn the PBF for taking this action, it has been on the cards for a good while now.
However the PBF will now find themselves with a prime piece of real estate on their hands so I would like to find out exactly what will happen to the proceeds of the sale, assuming they do intend to sell the building. The Centre was built up over many years using loans from the PBF, which were all paid back in full and with interest. Therefore it seems only right and proper that the proceeds from the sale of the building should return to the Polish community in Stoke on Trent.
Unfortunatly the Polish community in Stoke is largely made up of the old folks who use the daycare centre which started off this whole debate. As this daycare centre is running very low on funds at the moment, to the point where it can only meet once a week, surely it would be only right and proper for the PBF to use the money to help the very people who built the club and left the PBF with such a fine building. After all, we pay our mortgages in order to help in some small way towards our retirements and I know of no reputable lender who would demand the proceeds from the sale of our homes once the debt has been fully re-paid.
I would be very interested to hear Mr Sikora-Sikorski's opinion on the matter including full clarification of any plans involving the sale of the building and the distribution of the proceeds.
Jurek Biegus jnr
Burslem
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Nottingham Polish Club
BOTH SIDES CALL A TRUCE! Settle this as adults.
I am opposed to the club going into private hands, and nothing will change this. However, my view is also that people will oppose my views, so let the Nottingham Parafia decide. THIS IS DEMOCRACY
The whole issue of the commercial tender was certainly not thought out properly and many issues and discussions, ie club assets and recompense for loss of income is certainly a matter for discussion. You see this is where the difference between the private tender and club tender is non-sensicle for the parish.
A quick reply of "give the lease to knapczyk for a year" is clearly not a well thought out solution. Nobody would accept this. Clearly it is not going to be acceptable, with the grievances aired to date.
My Solution
Please note these views are not the views of any "sides". Quite clearly the club still has a license, get at least an interim contract signed with the Polish club. The rental will give the Polish Parafia some much needed cash. Get back the missing stock. A ballot of all parishoners is possible.
EGMs are only a basis for debate, using them as a ballot mechanism does not work because it will probably always get cancelled at the last minute until a quorum in favour of a PBF view is attained. This is fair, registered and represents the views of the Polish community.
If the Polish community want the club to be private, in the long term future, there will be a final yeh or neh. The priest cannot use a veto. If the parishoners want a private club, let it be.
Both sides need to swallow that bitter pill, but if the cause is the Polish community as is described on both sides, then surely it is worth it.
Are we adults? lets behave as such. Everbody has to stand by the decision of the Parishoners, whether you're opposed to it or not. This is democracy. Not only that but it is the polish parafia who decides (the beneficiaries) and the whole thing is clear and nobody can argue with the result.
akowalczyk I believe, you admit that this was not the case in this tender.If this bitter pill, is not swallowed, this has the potential to bring the PBF so much bad PR.
"Longton" and Devonia are keeping silent, but how long can this attitude continue? The Land act does categorically state if there are any significant changes to buildings held in trust, beneficiaries must be consulted. This as I understand has not been done to date and this is reason why people I think have gueniune grievances.
In the meantime, I believe that no applications for licenses should be made, legal proceedings dropped and BOTH wiadomosci as tool to get people more involved and not as a tool for picking fights. I think both sides agree the proboszcz's position cannot be saved. This is probably the most amicable solution one can get at this stage.
In the meantime, I do not want to get involved in politics but just get a solution. Any opinions to this should be aired on this message board, I do not want to get involved in any personal discussions at this time on this subject.
Remember, debate and resolution are the weapons of the intelligent, legal proceedings and fighting are for the weak and those who don't want to succeed.
Glupi Polak
Krakow, Polska
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polish club
to mr poniatowski: this is exactly where the problem is , an egm was called for september 14th 2003 which on its agenda had a speech which would have explained the need to a: close the club in its current format , how and why and b: how to make it a commercial venture for the benefit of the parish ... as is typical of all poles in this parish there are too many "znawce" and not enough workers .
Most appear to have some sort of letters after thier names or better still dubious specialist qualfications.
Where were all the community concerned members all year round with thier support for the club or even worse when it came to agm time to take on a non-fee paying job ? its all well and good criticising others but you people have had 50 years of running the place and over the last few years the opening hours have been greatly reduced and the wages bill was taking well over its share of gross profit .
If you are saying that the club could have survived the answer is that yes if it was purely to be an employer of 1 or 2 people and a vehicle for collecting vat so that parish purchases could benefit from this then yes its utopia .
However in reality the place not only needs investment and thats of a serious nature but also professional management to even attempt to make it work . There is a lot of people who dont understand the real reasons for the crusade anti anything positive and this is why we have the current split and situation with over 90% of the membership not knowing wha! ts really happenning .
I Congratulate the orchestraters of these actions as they have succeeded in causing disruption but in the long term the parish will suffer as the legal bill for creating and doing what is right shall be footed by it concerned of nottingham
a kowalczyk
nottingham
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'Jakubczyk' Family Tree (Polish)
I am Helen Jakubczyk a 23 yr old Masters Student at Salford University. My Father is Josef Jakubczyk and my mother is called Rozalia. I am trying to research into my family tree and am having some difficulties...Could you please help?
From Josef's side, My Grandfather was called Ignac Jakubczyk and my Grandmother was Aniela Jakubczyk (previously married name: Levandoska). The other side of the family, my mother's was grandfather: Carol Bys and Grandmother I think is Jan. If anyone has any information for me please email me at misshell2000@hotmail.com
Helen Jakubczyk
Rochdale
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Looking for contacts??
Hello Everybody - greetings from London!
My name is Beata and I work for Polish Express, a new magazine for Polish people in London but not only in London. We would like to make Polish Express bigger and better, so we are looking for people who would like to work with us - writing articles about the area you live in, Polish roots in this area and Polish organisations.
We would like to know and let other people know that Great Britain doesn't start and end in London. :))
We know that Great Britain has got a very strong Polish community and we would like to get in touch with people who would have a bit of spare time to write for us. Some of these articles would appear in the printed version of The Polish Express, some of them would be accessable via Polish Express website .
We would like to be able to give people as much information and history as we can, but there are just a few of us and we are limited in finance, time and travel.
We would like to have information about any events connected to the Polish community etc etc etc. We want to let our readers know there's life out there and other Poles too.... I'd be grateful for any contacts....Hope this is ok -to leave this message here:))
You'll find my email address on the Polish Express website. All the best to all of you.
Beata Sakowska Co-ordinator Polish Express
London
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skierniewice
my father is from skierniecewice - have been there many times. he is 80 years old too, perhaps they might know each other - eddie zeslawski atherstone warwickshire
eddie zeslawski
nuneaton england
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Jakubczyk
HI
My grandmother was a Jakubczyk. Her name was Stefania ( Jakubczyk ) Brzezicki.
My father, Benjamin S.Brzezicki, was 19 months old when he came to America on October 26, 1913 [ S.S. Carmania , NYC ]. He was born in the part of Ukrania that was once part of Poland. The area is around Kamien Koszyrski, the town was called Mala Holoby. Near the Prypet River Marshlands. Majdan is the town that the BRZEZICKI family is suppose to have lived in. The area is about 25- 50 miles north of Kowel.
My grandfather was Michal P. Brzezicki, [1889-1940], and was married to Stefania Jakubczyk, [1893-1971]. My great-grandfather was Boleslaw Brzezicki and he was married to Marjanna MARCINKOWSKA. This is where I need help. They had six children. Michael, Alexander married to a Rubinowska, Kaszemir, Leon, Antonia Brzezicki married to Julian SLADEWSKI, and Domicial, married to Joseph Charbak. Other relatives : Onisk, Lachnicki, Pawlin, Knysz, Niedzwiecki, Skibel.
I'm looking to find the location of the church records for 1860-1895 , Catholic Church in Kamien Koszyrski , Ukraine. Note: My dad changed his name from BRZEZICKI to BREZICKI when he received his citizenship papers.
Antos Jakubczyk married Marelanna Onisk and they lived in a village called Mala Holoby {Malyye Kholoby] near Kamien Koszyrski [Kashirskiy], They had six children : Stefania Mary Jakubczyk , my grandmother , Michael Brzezicki was her husband and they had four children. Marcianna Jakubcczyk- Wladyslaw Pawlin , 5 children, they moved to Argentina S.A. Agnes Jakubczyk-Adam Lachnicki , 5 children, they lived in MA
Then there were Felix, Thomas, and Andos Jakubczyk that we don't know what happened to them. We lost all information on them. The last we knew about them was about 1939-1940.
Any information on your family would be helpful.
Thanks
Greg B
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Polish in the Midlands
Dear all, My name is Lukasz and I am currently president of "Warwick Polonia" -polish student society at the Warwick University. I am very keen on contacting with other polish students within West Midlands as it would be great for you to join us at our events and parties.
On top of that, this year I am undertaking a project about Polish Community in the West Midlands so if you have some interesting article or if you could write a few paragraphs about your local Polish Community please contact me on my email - thanks a lot and I would love get to know people from this notice board.
Lukasz Rzeczkowski
Warwick University, Coventry
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