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Wednesday, 21 March, 2001, 17:33 GMT
Is Walsh the best ever?
Is Courtney the greatest?
West Indies fast bowler Courtney Walsh has made history by becoming the first player in history to take 500 Test wickets.

The 38-year-old reached the milestone in the second Test against South Africa in Trinidad after an international career stretching back 17 years.

But where does he rank among the all-time greats?

Tell us what you think

HAVE YOUR SAY

A national hero in Jamaica, Courtney Walsh began his Test career at a time when West Indies were unquestionably the strongest team in the world.

As well as an array of magnificent batsmen, they also possessed a fearsome four-man pace attack, which also included Malcolm Marshall and Michael Holding.

Their fortunes changed in the 1990s as members of their all-conquering team left the international scene, but the proud and tireless Walsh continued to pick up wickets all around the world.

He formed a dangerous new ball partnership with Curtly Ambrose and finally surpassed Kapil Dev's world record of 434 Test wickets when he dismissed Zimbabwe's Henry Olonga last year.

Ambrose called it a day after last summer's series in England, but Walsh soldiered on and has now achieved his 500-wicket goal.

Is Walsh the best fast bowler in history? Or is his success simply a question of talent, allied to longevity?

Where does he rank among the great West Indies pacemen like Hall, Griffith, Roberts, Holding, Marshall and Ambrose?

Tell us what you think.

HAVE YOUR SAY


One could possibly argue interminably as to whether or not he is the best. Ultimately, this achievement will speak for itself. Courtney Walsh represents what is best about the game of cricket, and we should all be grateful for the opportunity to witness such a unique talent in action.
Len White, USA

I think he is one of the greats but not the greatest! I love the way he bowls and keeps bowling. According to me Holding, Marshall, Lillie, Hadlee and Akram are the greatest fast bowlers ever. Walsh is very consistent and experienced but not deadly, but a feat of 500 wickets is the one that will always keep him in the books and people's mind.
Nirav, India

For anyone to say that a bowler who has reached 500 wickets is not the best ever (so far) is truly amazing. He has taken over 100 more wickets that some of the other great fast bowlers yet it is dismissed because of his longevity. You guys should be ashamed!
Marc Goodridge, Canada


"Walsh is the great cricketer ever produced by any cricket playing countries. As a Human being he is excellent. I hope nature is always with him"
  Usman Lakhani S/o Amin Lakhani
His determination and hard work that has brought him to this stage and put his name among the records. In fact the duo of Walsh and Ambrose were considered to be the best opening bowlers during their reign that most batsmen feared. It's really difficult for the West Indians to produce another Walsh seeing their current situation although there are hopes of Hooper raising the team morale once again. It will be a big loss to the West Indian cricket after this great cricketing hero retires. A salute to this great superstar of Cricket.
Allwyn Ferandes, London, UK

Walsh has lasted for 18years, this is an acheivement in itself. Also his 500 wicketes is awesome. Also his one-day figures of five wickets for one run against Sri Lanka will always be fresh in ones mind. He may not be as dashing as others but truly his deeds speak of himself. It takes such qualities and gentleness to be a truly great fast bowler.
Kalpesh, Hong Kong

I would say he is the fittest and most consistent ever, but not even close to being the best ever. There are and were at least 20 other bowlers better than him, people such as Sir Richard Hadlee and late Malcolm Marshall.
Denim Clyde, USA


"I believe Walsh was good but not the best. Holding, Ambrose & Marshall were better. In terms of durability he is the best. His 500 wickets show that he is someone who does not give up easily. He is a great man"
  J.Scarlett, Jamaica
In time to come Courtney Walsh will be to the West Indies what Don Bradman was to Australia. It could not happen to a nicer person.
Dhanpaul Narine, USA

Walsh sure is the best. The fact that he has had an international career stretching 17 years as a fast bowler and is still physically up to international level says a lot. He rocks! Go Walsh! You are the best.
Nandita Ahmed, Bangladesh

As a competitor, Courtney is up there with the best but, as a strike bowler, he falls short of the truly greats like Lillie, Hadlee, Akram,Donald, McGrath and Imran. Amongst West Indians, I couldn't place him with Marshall, Ambrose, Holding or Roberts, he's more on a par with Joel Garner. Walsh's great assets are his durability, longevity and his total commitment. His 500 wickets will take a lot of beating. If McGrath or Warne don't get there, I would think that it will be Muralitharan who will eventually top Walsh's record.
Dave Atkinson, England


It's a difficult task to survive as a fast bowler for 17-18 yrs, never mind to achieve this excellent record
  Mohamed Iqbal, U.A.E.
Walsh's 500 wickets is surely a feat to be applauded. It's a difficult task to survive as a fast bowler for 17-18 yrs, never mind to achieve this excellent record. Considering the West Indian team, there are lot of fast bowlers like his partner Curtly Ambrose, who have given Walsh company in the fast bowling attack for a long time. Maybe one day Akram may reach the milestone, but the feat achieved by Walsh cannot be forgotten in cricket history. Our hearty Salute goes to the legend of fast bowling cricket.
Mohamed Iqbal, Sharjah, U.A.E.

'Greatness' is a word to be used sparingly. For me, it can only be used in relation to Marshall, Holding, Garner, Ambrose and Roberts amongst WI bowlers; Lillee, Hadlee, and Imran amongst the rest. Walshy is definitely the greatest in terms of longevity, but he falls into the 'nearly great' class, with Donald and Thomson. The only modern players who will eventually join the greats are McGrath and Wasim Akram. Marshall and Lillee were the greatest of the greats!
C S Grant, UK

There have been deadlier, faster and more talented bowlers, but Courtney must surely go down as the most relentless of the modern era. He actually improved with age, in a time when international cricketers are playing more Tests than ever before and let us not forget that despite his workload, he has never shirked from one-day games or matches for Jamaica or Gloucestershire. He may not have been the best West Indian bowler of all time (that was surely Marshall), but he will be the most missed when he finally takes his well-deserved retirement. Many congratulations, Cuddy!
Max Freedman, England

The best ever, no. Courtney may be an awesome bowler, but not the best. If anything, all you can really say, is that his physical endurance to play for so many years is very impressive.
Glenn Mathis, South Africa


Over a number of years he has proven himself to be the best
  Chris Benjamin, England
I cannot believe the jealous, ignorant comments about Courtney only reaching this milestone because of the number of matches he played. Over a number of years he has proven himself to be the best. He certainly would not have employed the gamesmanship tactics used by the Sri Lankans or English. His leadership, dedication, fitness, skill, and tenancity places him head and shoulders above any other bowler, particularly given that he has been carrying the Windies for the past 3 years. Well done Courtney here's to 525 before the end of the current series
Chris Benjamin, England

When the West Indies toured Australia in 1984, he was an unknown getting to bowl with some of the greats like Garner, Marshall, and Holding. Who would have thought after 17 years, Walshy would down in history as the greatest wicket taker. He is a gentleman on and off the field. Congratulations Walshy, a great ambassador for cricket.
Jason Thi, Australia

Rather than say Walsh is the best, I would put him in the group of all time best bowlers. He has shown, on and off the field, strength and stamina and also gained the respect of players and fans alike. This quality alone makes him worthy of all the praise being given and it will be a sad day for cricket when he hangs up his boots.
Adrian, Trinidad & Tobago

Michael Holding was the best fast bowler I ever saw with Wes Hall and Dennis Lillee coming close behind.
Terence Humphreys, Ghana


No overseas player ever gave so much to his adopted county as Courtney did to Gloucestershire
  John Rogers, England

Walsh is a great bowler, but Michael Holding is surely the greatest fast bowler ever. Anyone who saw his singled handed destruction of England in 1976, followed by his teams domination of world cricket for the next 10 years would agree. Holding had everything - pure naked speed, swing and movement off the seam both ways. He could also get something out of a lifeless pitch that other bowlers simply couldn't. He also had that intimidation\fear factor - batsmen simply did not want to face him. That is perhaps the greatest compliment.
Derek Leslie, Scotland

In picking fast bowlers for the best West Indies team, Walsh will certainly be included in the top three, especially if, hypothetically, it's going to be a good batting wicket. According to Viv Richards, it's good to have someone in the team that you are guarenteed will give 100%.
Selwyn Rodulfo, Trinidad & Tobago

Walsh may not be technically the best ever - I would say that lies between Trueman, Lillee and Marshall. However, no overseas player ever gave us much to his adopted county as Courtney did to Gloucestershire. He was an inspiration and a delight, and will never be forgotten here in Bristol.
John Rogers, England

While Courtney may have not had the raw pace and menace of some of the other greats, I still think that he should be considered as in the top 3 of great bowlers. His attention to his fitness to keep going this long, his fantastic gentleman like attitude and metronomic line and length more than make up for any slight lagging in the other departments. Hadlee is the greatest bowler but Walsh is a very close second
Joel Hockley, UK

Walsh is without a doubt a fantastic bowler, one of the all time greats. However, when put into context Richard Hadlee of New Zealand is far and away the greatest achiever. His consistency, strike rate and average is second to none.
Karl, England


He deserves all the acclaim and he is truly the greatest bowler in test match history.
  Simon Hargreaves- England
Walsh may not be the greatest fast bowler of all time. But his sportsmanship, on and off the field, his dedication, consistency and durability to the cause of cricket and of West Indies make him perhaps the greatest cricketer of our time.
Lanka Nesiah, Sri Lanka

The remarkable thing about Courtney Walsh is his longevity, and his ability to bowl truely heroically long spells. As others have said he is not the best ever, Hadlee must take that accolade, as he had no strike partner at the other end, then Marshall, Holding, but I would want Courtney in my team any day.
William Lack, England

Courtney deserves praise for reaching the milestone of 500 wickets, but I feel sure his contemporaries would have reached the same if they had have gone on longer. That is where difference is, Courtney did carrry on, and he deserves the credit fot not leaving West Indies completly in the lurch when things havn't gone well for them lately.
Warren Cooper, England

To say that Courtney has taken 500 wickets just because he has played the most matches is beyond belief.The fact that all the other great bowlers such as Lillee,Thompson, Marshall etc did not play as many is not Courtneys fault. He has kept himself in prime condition and got himself onto the field which is a feat in itself. He has taken 500 wickets because he is simply the best "line and length" fast bowler that has ever been. Well done Courtney and keep shutting the know alls up!!
Vincent hughes, liverpool,england

Remember the World Cup in India/Pakistan in 1987? A young Courtney with tears in his eyes after failing to prevent in his last over an England one day victory. This summarises the commitment and emotion with which Courtney played his cricket for the West Indies. He deserves all the acclaim and he is truly the greatest bowler in test match history.
Simon Hargreaves, England


It's only a matter of time before Muttiah Muralitharan surpasses Walsh
  Gane, Sri Lanka
It's only a matter of time before Muttiah Muralitharan surpasses Walsh and he will use up less matches too.
Gane, Sri Lanka

Let's just say that Walsh is a great fast bowler who has luckily soldiered on for many years. He might have claimed the most scalps but his relatively high average and strike rate, puts him in a bracket behind Lillee, Willis, Marshall, Hadlee and Imran.
Ali Sultan, Middlebury, USA

I would put Cuddy in the pantheon of the greatest of the great. He has taken wickets against all opposition and on all surfaces. In fact, it is said that the more docile the pitch is, the more effective Walsh is. Posterity would remember him as one of the all time great fast bowlers ever to have graced the cricket field.
Ramani P Easwaran, India

I don't think even Courtney would rate himself, technically and statistically, the best. However in terms of the finest of human qualities -humility, perseverance, and a willingness to learn - he has had few equals. Consider the fact that it took 80 tests to get to 300 and another 49 to get to 500. A great human being, a sportsman larger than life.
Everal, Jamaica

It really doesn't matter whether he is the greatest bowler of all time. He is the first bowler to reach 500 wickets and the record books will acknowledge that amazing milestone! He is the most durable of them all and maintained an unbelievable fitness regime. He is also a warm, sweet gentle person with a terrific sense of humour. Walshie represents what's best about West Indians at work or at play. At the end of the day, does anything else matter?
Christine, Jamaica


He has always lacked the manacing characteristic that any great fast bowler must have
  Ronald Greenidge, Barbados
Walsh is a very good bowler, but he certainly cannot be rated as the greatest bowler of all time. He has always lacked the manacing characteristic that any great fast bowler must have. I would rank Roberts, Holding, Marshall and Abrose ahead of Walsh. His achievement of being the highest wicket taker is due to his longevity in the game, and also due the lack of support bowlers on the West Indies team over the past eight years or so.
Ronald Greenidge, Barbados

There's no doubt, over the last ten years or so, Courtney Walsh has been an excellent bowler. However, to rank him up there alongside the Lillee's, Marshall's, and the Holding's; the guy's who could truly turn a match, would be pushing it a bit too far. He has been a true asset and great ambassador for the game of cricket. I wish him the best.
Reggie Green, CA, USA

Courtney Walsh is definitely the best bowler ever. His performance both on and off the field is a good example of what cricket should be about.
Louis, UK

He is a great player. He might not be the greatest player in cricket history, but in my opinion he is definately one of the three greatest players. He is not only a great bowler, but also a great man and so gentle, some of modern day players should learn this from him. Cricket is a gentleman's game.To stop the situation getting worse, we need peoples like Walsh to bring back the reputation of cricket. My heartiest congratulations to such a nice person, for his brilliant achievement.
Zahid, Bangladesh


To take 500 test wickets in a career is undoubtedly an incredible achievement, and a testimony to Walsh's ability and durability
  Mark, UK
To take 500 test wickets in a career is undoubtedly an incredible achievement, and a testimony to Walsh's ability and durability. Walsh is not, however, the best fast bowler of them all. Certain other West Indian fast bowlers had greater talent and greater pace, such as Malcolm Marshall, whose test wickets were won at a better strike rate and a lower average. He was, perhaps, the best of the West Indian pacemen. Amongst the other countries, Richard Hadlee's achievements appear all the more remarkable, considering his wickets were won without having a world class pace bowler at the other end. Nonetheless, Walsh is certainly one of the greats and although perhaps his wicket record will one day be surpassed (as most records are) it is appropriate that it should be held by such an unselfish and unrelentingly dedicated cricketer.
Mark, England

Best ever? No.Tenacious and deadly, but on a bad team. He really does not have to fight for his position, though at their peak the Windies were the best. Wasim Akram is a match winner, he's the best in my opinion.
Rehan, USA

Courtney Walsh rates very highly as a fast bowler. Obviously, with taking 500 test wickets you have to rate him as one of the all time greats. Over the years there have been many great fast bowlers including Lillee and Thompson of Australia - but I would certainly rate Walsh in the top five of all time. Well done Courtney!
Pete Bull, England

Walsh has achieved the feat with the support of his stamina. Also, he has had been very consistent in his performance. Other bowlers like Hadlee, would have achieved better if they had, had the same stamina. The record achieved by Walsh may not be erasable for many years, though Warne is a good candidate who may be able to cross the landmark.
Venkatesh Pundyavana, USA


Certainly one of the greatest I have had the pleasure to witness
  Jay Tea, UK
Courtney's 500 wickets place him up there with the greatest, by all means. There have been faster bowlers, meaner bowlers, and higher strike rates, but seldom a career spent so long at the highest level. Walsh was awesome in a losing test side against England last summer and I hope he goes on to grab 550 wickets. Congratulations Courtney Walsh - certainly one of the greatest I have had the pleasure to witness!
Jay Tea, Crowmarsh, UK

As much as we respect and admire Courtney, he has taken 500 Test wickets because he has played more matches than any other bowler. He has improved over the years and become a great bowler as he has become number two and now number one bowler for the Windies, but he is not a Lillee or a Marshall or a Hadlee. Top of the second division.
Paul Dickson, USA

The stats speak for them selves, he is the greatest fast bowler of all time and still performing at the top level at his age is amazing.
Michael Ellis, England

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