Jeremy Guscott Former England centre

The first yellow card for Phil Vickery was very dumb. We heard the referee say that the next guy giving away a penalty in his own 22 is going to get a yellow card. Vickery was off his feet, he should have been leading by example, and he didn't.

Martin Johnson can probably relate to the Vickery incident, but Danny Care needs to be made an example of - dropped from the squad even. It was blatant.

Care just lost his head. He is supposed to be a number nine and supposed to have composure.

I think he will be really annoyed with himself. His sin-binning cost England the game. It was ridiculous, it was headless, it was mindless. Did he think the touch judge was not going to see it?

In the changing room, the guys should be looking at Care and saying, 'You lost us a bonus, you lost us the game and you lost us the foothold back in the championship when we could have competed for the tournament'.

Johnno was clearly angry, but there's nothing more he can really do. The guys have got to, among themselves, start putting pressure on each other, saying 'What are you doing? You're letting us down'.

Jonathan Davies Former Wales fly-half

If Ireland had been given two yellow cards, England would have won, simple as. That was the main difference.

England's forwards do struggle with the pace of the game. I don't think they are mobile enough, so the only way to survive is to give penalties away or people will score tries against them. How you get around that I'm not sure yet, but that's their problem.

Once they get on the park, the coaches can't do anything. The players know what they have to do. They are professionals, they know the game better than we did because they live and breathe it. But they will not win games because of indiscipline, simple as.

Sometimes as a player you do professional fouls to save a try. You say, 'OK, I accept that', and the manager says, 'yes, you had to do it', and off you go. But the two sin-binnings were ridiculous.

If Steve Borthwick wasn't captain, nobody else in that team actually jumps out. Maybe Mike Tindall.

But there's no-one else there, even on the bench. Maybe Martin Johnson's got no option. He thinks Borthwick is the man that is going to take England forward.

Keith Wood Former Ireland captain

England missed a trick last week. Then they complained about the referee, saying that they were being targeted.

What they should have said is, 'we're going to improve our discipline'. If you don't admit that, you've made a mistake and you're never going to get it right.

They're suffering very badly. It's not the same guy every week, that's what makes it so difficult. It's like a virus that is going from one player to the next.

I do feel sorry for Johnno. I think it's very hard. I think he's got a team of guys that maybe aren't quite up to scratch.

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