Civilians now out of Azovstal plant in Mariupol

All elderly people, women and children have been evacuated from the besieged Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol according to Russian and Ukranian officials.

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Julian Worricker is joined by two guests: Kadri Liik, senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations; and Kai Kupferschmidt, science writer and a contributing correspondent for Science magazine.

(Picture: A handout from the Russian Defence Ministry press service shows Russian servicemen and Red Cross volunteers escorting civilians from the Azovstal plan in Mairupol. Credit: EPA/RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY PRESS SERVICE)