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Jerry Springer: 'Not wanted in Bradford'

"This crosses the line"

As Jerry Springer: The Opera kicks off at Bradford's Alhambra Theatre, Nick Jones, vicar of St John's in Great Horton and spokesperson for Prayer for Bradford, explains why some people of faith in Bradford think it shouldn't be shown in the city.


Prayer for Bradford is an informal network of multi-denominational Christian ministers in the Bradford area who meet regularly to pray, especially for the city. Prayer for Bradford does not see itself as a campaigning organisation but when its members heard Jerry Springer: The Opera was coming to Bradford they felt something had to be said.

Nick Jones, speaking for both himself and Prayer for Bradford, told the BBC Bradford and West Yorkshire website: "I think we felt it wouldn't be good for Bradford and I also think it's not particularly wanted in Bradford. Our conviction as a Christian group is that it is a show that denigrates Jesus - and therefore our faith - and it is not something we want to see in our theatre and that's why several of us felt we should do something. We are a prayer group and not an action group so we don't organise around issues but we felt this was something we needed to give a voice on.

Nick Jones, vicar of St John's, Great Horton
Nick Jones

"A group of us were then asked to take on that responsibility and one thing we decided we would do was to make our view, and the view of many in the Christian communities here, known to the Council so we put together a petition in January and presented it to the Council because they own the Alhambra. Ultimately they are responsible for what goes on there. We gathered our petition just over a short period really – for three weeks in January it was in various churches and 2208 people signed it with 59 churches and church organisations represented, most of them part of our informal network. However, quite a number got about and at a particular Roman Catholic church that isn't linked into our network the whole congregation signed. In one case people who just came along to a community centre signed, so the signatures weren't all from the Christian community as such...

"I was invited to go and talk to the Bradford Faith Forum and they were very sympathetic. Our petition called for the Council to withdraw the play. They had a discussion on the Faith Forum and they didn't necessarily feel they could unanimously support that but they were very supportive, very sympathetic. The Faith Forum hasn't taken a stand that's the same as ours but they have written to the media to say they think this is bad for the city and for relationships within the city.

"[Our position is based on] the portrayal of Jesus. The show has quite a lot of strong language in it. It's notorious for how many swear words it has, but it's not the only show even in the current season that has a lot of swear words in so that's not our particular objection. Actually I've read the script and a lot of it is gratuitous – not all of it because it is a portrayal of the the Jerry Springer Show - but I think the way Jesus is portrayed is the key thing and I do believe that is gratuitous. There's four aspects to that: there's the portrayal of Jesus in a nappy and that is quite unpleasant in itself. There's the language that's used to address Jesus. I think it's one thing having strong swear words but when they actually relate to someone you think is the Son of God and he himself uses that language and there's the notorious phrase where Jesus says, 'Actually I'm a bit gay.'

"The best thing would have been for Jerry Springer not to have been booked in the first place and then you've got no issue."
Nick Jones, Vicar of St John's

"There are the comments which are made both about the crucifixion which is obviously at the heart of our faith, and the Virgin Birth which is very important too. All of that is very offensive – it's not just offensive to the Christian community, it's also offensive to the Muslim community because Jesus is a highly respected prophet in the Muslim community. While Muslims don't, as I understand it, have the same understanding of the crucifixion they do believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus and they do obviously believe Jesus to be expected so it's offensive there too. Currently there's a lot of sensitivity around how you portray the significant figure in a world faith and because we have a mixture of faiths here in Bradford, it's something I think the city should have taken more careful account of.

"Censorship is an interesting question because it has a bad name for various reasons and this is something we've debated quite a lot. We've talked to quite a number of Council members and officers and freedom of speech, freedom of expression, is something that's come to us as a contrary argument and I think that needs to be taken very seriously. I think I speak for myself and Prayer For Bradford in saying we believe in freedom of speech and freedom of expression and when we had the opportunity to speak to the Council last month this is what I spoke about because I wanted to stress this is something we hold dear as well, the hard-fought freedoms that we have. The whole creative and artistic area is something I think is a very precious part of our culture and of course I don't want to align myself with those contexts where artistic expression is highly constrained for socio-political relationships in dictatorships and so on. We all know the history of that.

"But there's another side isn't there? What I've said to the Council is that freedom of speech can't have the last word. It has to be held in balance. There are the other things we hold dear in our culture, particularly as British people. One of these is courtesy and one of them is respect, and another that I think is particularly important in our city is the equal valuing of one another in a multi-cultural society and the religious dimension is an important aspect of all that. I think these things need to be balanced. We could be represented as calling to bring back censorship in the theatre and, if push came to shove, then my argument is there are times when freedom of expression crosses a line and we have to say, 'No.' We have to say in a decent society that's not acceptable. Obviously people aren't going to always agree where that line is, but in our view - and I think we represent a considerable proportion of the Christian community, and probably a lot of other people of a lot of other faiths, and people of no faith really (if you like, decent people) - this crosses the line. It's the same when I've shown people the script, the offensive part. A lot of people are horrified to be honest.

Alhambra Theatre, Bradford
'We are really blessed to have the Alhambra!'

"What we've tried to be very careful about at Prayer for Bradford is that, in calling for respect and courtesy, we actually conduct ourselves and behave in a way that is also courteous and respectful. Otherwise you can really lose the argument in the way you conduct it, and without wanting to mention any groups we've been careful to run our own local campaign, if you want to call it that. We've sought to do what we feel is right in this context, in a balanced way we hope, and with prayer. We've made our representations to the Council and actually we are still waiting for an answer which is a little disappointing – they've said that their next Executive meeting will discuss it but that isn't until after the show on June 20th. We've been hoping they would be able to give us an answer before then on what their considered view is on our petition and what we've called for so we're still in that discussion.

"Also we've asked if we can put a postcard out in the theatre which has a positive message in it – it simply says: 'Now you've seen Jerry Springer: The Opera, why not find out about the REAL Jesus? Who he is, what he's done, and what he can do for you today.' The postcard will just be about in the theatre in the same way as you see such cards in cinemas and the theatre management have agreed to have them. We're not going to be troubling theatregoers – we think that's counter-productive. There may be others who are outside the theatre next week but that won't be us. We'll just be quietly bringing it into our prayers and our part there is to put these cards out. Really our argument is not with the theatregoer, or even with the theatre management who are required to make an artistic/commercial decision on what they put on, but it's the Council who need to have the overall picture. In as much as there was a protest it was on April 4th when I addressed a Council meeting and a lot of supporters of Prayer for Bradford came. They gathered in a prayer vigil outside, and they filled the public gallery and gave us a resounding applause with quite a number of the councillors joining in which was a nice moment.

Christian Enquiry Agency postcard

"As well as what the petition asked for, which was for the show to be banned, we've also asked the Council for two other thing. One is that there will be an expression of regret which we can pass on to the community that the show was booked in the first place, and the other is really that we want to be part of a constructive process in the future because our belief is that there ought really to have been a better mechanism for considering whether it was right for a show that has this sensitivity to actually be brought here.

"Perhaps I'm speaking more for myself here, but I'm committed to the arts and the engagement between the Christian community and the world of art is an important one. Certainly for myself and my church, and members of many other churches in the city, we are all patrons of the Alhambra and St George's Hall and I think we are really blessed – to use a religious word – in our city to have these. Our theatre has excellent and very interesting shows. My Fair Lady has just been here and Trainspotting, while it is one of the shows to have strong language, is a very serious show and tackles a very serious social issue. Prayer for Bradford is not an organisation to speak out. Nor is it really a campaigning organisation, but the churches we represent are involved in a whole range of social projects and a number of churches are very practically engaged on the ground with the drugs issue.

"We want to offer ourselves as people who can be consulted with and there are other bodies too such as the Faith Forum who it would be useful for officers and members to consult with on matters like this because it will come up again. But the best thing would have been for Jerry Springer not to have been booked in the first place and then you've got no issue."

last updated: 19/05/06
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Alan Bate
Christ said; "By their fruits you will know them". Any one persuaded by a work such as this are not seeking truth and therefore will not see Heaven. The real spiritual enemies are far less obvious. God is not phased by this, He has decreed, "That every man will reap what he sows".

audrey newsome
this should not take place. it is disgusting and should be banned

Nathan Whipp
I am a Christian and I didn't oppose the Jerry Springer show. Why? Well I think it's important to remember our church history and the hugely important struggle the radical reformers had to ensure we have freedom of belief in this country. It is possible that many of those opposing the Jerry Springer show would not be able to profess their belief if it wasn't for the fight of many of our Christian heros of the past who suffered abuse, prison and even death to ensure we have freedom of speech and belief. Not something I'm going to give up lightly over a silly little play - I think God's able to cope with insult, he's had it for 1000's of years!

Peter Finan (Haworth)
Heavens! If you 'might' find the show offensive, don't go and see it, there's your answer. By your reasoning, you would deny everyone the right to see the show. Well,I'm sorry, but we don't all share your views, religious or otherwise, so don't try to tell me what I can or cannot see - I don't tell you what you can or cannot see, so don't tell me! It's the same with TV - if you don't like what's on, you have the ultimate sanction - turn it off. Peter Finan

Dan
Personally, I've decided to go and see this when it comes out. despite this being somewhat of a comedy and I'm sure not one designed to be offensive, it always comes off as such because the religious groups have such a low tollerance of anything that involves religious figures but does not profess to worship them. It is amusing how the argument of non-censorship is so false, ultimately they want it banned, no censorship is good censorship as the minute you've taken away that freedom of expression, you've headed down a certain path. It is interesting how there is an objection to the line ''actually I'm a bit gay''. Would they have the same objections if he said he straight? Perhaps it is the notion of sexuality at all, but I can't help thinking this harks back to the Old Testament's homophobic outlook. It's also interesting how this is still a general rule of thumb, while stoning people at the edge of the village for working on the sabbath day is not. I say we reintroduce this immediately! On the point of this censorship though, I find it amusing how certain groups think they're right in censoring what they don't like in society, for the apparent benefit of everyone. J. B. Priestley once commented on this sort of thing happening back in the thirties, it's a shame to still see it going on to day. Perhaps we should maybe look at the track records for Religion vs. Atheism/Agnostism in world history. For religion we have countless persecutions, wars, conflict, massacre's (i.e. The Crusades, where in one instance the Arab garrison surrendered a city, the crusaders then promptly slaughtered both Islamic and Jewish people in the city, afterwards going to prayers) numerous burnings at the stake, need I go on? As for Atheism/Agnosticism, (with the exception of Stalinist Russia, which had a pretty bad reputation anyway) well they've written a few plays and films that are immediately comedic in their presentation. I think it's clear that there is brutality on the one hand, and a few jokes at the expense of a few religious figures on the other. I mean just look at the cartoons of Mohammed. How many died because people couldn't understand a bit of parody, or alternatively, just ignore it? If there is indeed a God, I hope it has a good enough sense of humour to find a little parody funny. I mean, if this entity did indeed create the whole universe, you'd think it'd understand, not get angry and especially not want to ban it. What sort of compassion would that be? Of course we write a piece of ourselves into God, but really if there is such a thing, we have such a lack of understanding of it. Do you think it'd really be bothered by one little theatrical performance?

Anita Gray
NOT GOING, Horrified that this issue has got to this stage without being totally banned. I believe that there should be more respect for the Christian Faith and pray that there will be a change of heart and that the show will be banned.

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