Did Ed Miliband convince you?

Yes, I know nothing about this man, nor what he stands for. All I've heard about is his relationship with his brother. Time for him to start providing a real, effective opposition!

i will not listen to him as i dont believe anything any politician says especually a career one that has no idea what happens in a work place or life on the street

No. I will be too busy trying to work out what the Tory Party wants me to say on HYS about his speech being ineffective, not a match for Cameron, and evidence that he is controlled by the Unions.

I will listen to what he has to say. New Labour is gone. Miliband needs to let the Tories and Liberals carry on fighting yesterday's war over the centre ground and set a new, soft left leaning, agenda that concentrates on everyone contributing through work but within a framework that shares the rewards more fairly. Not working not to be an option.

A system whereby no CEO could earn more than 25 times the lowest full time employee's income would be an excellent start as it should encourage decent lower level wages. John Lewis seem to do ok with a structure like that. Why not everyone else?

Ed's a nice guy, but for me, politically and competence wise a Muppet.

So no, I'll run a mile before listening to any more of Labour, they drive me potty, with their silly rhetoric.

Why, for what reason should i watch this, apart from the fact i have a job which means i cannot swan off and watch the telly when i wish. Just yet another pleb, no doubt he will apologise for his party's involvement in the destruction of the economy but will vow to change this...blah blah blah, the old saying '' all as bad as eachother'' is very true. i have no interest in any form of politics, i used too but find it dull and repetative, no originallity anymore and its all about the EU these days ! this fella's eyes are a bit close together for my likeing as well !!!

Will you watch Labour leader's first major speech

NO

No.

Only seen a tiny bit of the Labour Conference, usually I ignore them because I feel so let down by them in the past 13 years. I'm hoping that Ed Milliband will bring the party firmly back to the core of Labours traditional values and priorities.

I'm not holding my breath about that, but Iwill be watching and listening to see what he says.

Nah, too busy. Will steer away from this page as well to avoid the depressingly predictable comments that probably are being written before the speech even starts. I have huge expectations of Ed but will wait for his deeds rather than his words.

Lets hope it is better than the completely tangential and tedious speech given by older brother yesterday.
He is talking to the wider electorate (none of whom trust Labour now, whoever is leader).

We should learn from recent history.
It took the Conservative Party nine years to turn from the Thatcher-Major era - having experimented with Hague, IDS and then Howard following 3 lost elections. The Lib-Dems changed their whole approach in less than a day when the offer of ministerial perks appeared.
Should Labour now move on too?
Emphatically YES and NO.
No, there should be no turning back on creating a much more equal and fair nation.
Yes, we must adjust policy and priorities to meet the needs of the next decade.

Inequality of earnings is getting worse. The Banker's excessive bonuses are but on example. It happens everywhere in private industry. Where companies are not actively shipping jobs to China or India they hammer down wages and use Asian wages as a justication to hammer pay down whilst rewarding themselves for increased profits.

See CapGemini, IBM, Hewlett-Packard etc as prime examples of firms that take huge amounts of money from Government and reward UK workers with redundancy as they ship increasing anounts of taxpayer's money abroad to pay minimal wages to the workers and huge bonuses to CEOs. All in the name of profit, not service. The Government may pay a slightly lower day rate but this is no benefit when UK workers are then claiming benefits too.

I'd like to see Miliband guarantee that UK taxpayer's money (what there is to spend) would be spent here to support our economy or at least that of EU workers. It's not a union pandering policy, it's plain simple commonsense.

Will you watch Labour leader's first major speech?

I don't need to.

There will be 2 main themes.

Firstly - the end of New Labour and the restoration of socialist values - widely predicted by many pundits even before Labour lost the election.

Secondly, finally admitting that mistakes were made during the reigns of Blair & Brown when labour lost sight of aforementioned core values. (whilst neglecting to mention why he didn't speak out whilst he was cabinet).

Ulitimately his aim will be to diassociate the Labour party from the mistakes of New Labour, whilst trying to pretend to the public that most of the faces in his shadow cabinet are not New Labour through & through. (even though they inevitably will be).

The Spin Continues..

Why would I watch the speech?

The labour leadership is completely irrelevant to all but the party members, for the next couple of years at least. That is, unless the highly unlikely event of an early general election occurs.

I'm not a party member, and never will be. Why would I care what the leader says? I'm sure I can find some drying paint to watch.

If you look at the bbc's homepage today, Ed Milliband appears to be the identical twin of Kim Jong-ils son. Or perhaps one and the same. Should we be worried?

Why spoil an afternoon tea party....one can read all about it in the next day papers or that other source of social injustice, BBC's Nick Blog. Im still celebrating that we probably have at least 13 years of growth after we have paid off Labours debt.

The speech is endemic of Labours failures.

The MAIN and essential reason I think for Labours failure is just the NORMAL political idealogical DICTATE which permeates EVERY political party and government which IGNORES so much reality and plain common sense.

Much of Labours attrociousness was in its dictatorial attitude that it could impose so much attrocious and constant mediocracy via LAYER UPON LAYER UPON LAYER of regulation and laws, which endemically and negligently effected/affected every aspect of life, while at the same time negligently missing that which threatened the very existance of our nation, economy and society, and resulting in attrocious damage across the whole spectrum of our nation of which the costs and effects will be born by future generations.

LAWS and regulations are for BAD and STUPID/IGNORANT and CRIMINAL people, but so much of Labours idealistic bias PUNISHED and DAMAGED good decent people and businesses.

Even the European Human Rights laws are attrociously implemented enabling the worst in society to use basic decency against the system and our society and escape justice

Much of the implementation of the EU Human Rights laws were cynically and attrociously allowed to be interpreted in ways in which they were NOT intended. Every word has had to be discussed at HUGE cost and given absolute meaning and legal reference.

Its all very well Labour and Ed saying they took "their eye off the ball", the fact is, is that their ball was already fit for the dump.

Yes Labour brought forward a number of important social changes, but the price of them is far far beyond what the majority wanted or could/can afford.

The way forward, with Labour and the ConDems, is an outrage in all sense.

Even the most basic requirements of life, water, energy and food, are relegated and handed to profiteers and manipulated by an even smaller number of profiteers who solely gamble on value outcomes by purchasing up supplies and holding out for maximum price.

Such a sytem is totally unsustainable, and ultimately will result in a much worse catastrophy than the presentfinancial disaster inflicted upon the world.

Capitalism is becoming more and more unstable and is in itself a growing threat to the world via abuse by the few.

There are many many serious problems/issues facing the world, as well as the UK and Labours so called moral ideals have failed to deal with them.

The world and Britain/UK is actually facing more problems, than before Labour took office.

Hence, "taking your eye off the ball" is a weak and pathetic attempt to excuse the UNEXCUSEABLE.

This ConDem lot are no better, they essentially act and make decisions based upon votes, the NHS is a vote winner, it is also a huge gravy train of which this ConDem government will just hand to the private sector.

For ALL its faults, the public sector did not very nearly self destruct the world, that was the RESPONSIBILITY of the private sector.

The public sector can only be as good and efficient as those who are ultimately responsible for it.

Factually, and quite attrociously deceitfully, this government aims to offload much responsibility via its "freedom" and "democracy" pretentious ideals. The public will ultimately gain nothing of worth/value from such devious and pretentious idealistic political propaganda. Any benefits, will as normal be very small, and as normal, will last all of 10 seconds.

It seems the ConDems are following the same negligent policys as used in Iraq, which is to dismantle a nation and then as an afterthought, attempt to iron out attrocious outcomes. If the ConDems think that they can dismantle and change so much without severe issues of competance and neglect, then they are not just deceiving the nation, but also deceiving themselves.

In MOST instances, whenever government sets up or makes ANY changes, there are so many endemic fundamental problems, which ULTIMATELY lead to extortionate increase in costs and damage to peoples lives. These HUGE changes the ConDems seek to implement, as historical evidence suggest due to sheer scale of whats now being attempted, will factually result in a massive amount of social deprivation and chaos, and wide ranging experiences of sheer disaster, negligence and incompetance for many people. Its a stark and factual reality of consequence, and all ConDems are basically attempting to do is verbally spinning a minimum outlook/outcome, which in reality is impossible due to real life consequential effects/outcome of policy.

Thing is, we have had Tory government, Labour government, Tory government, Labour government Tory government Labour government, etc etc, HOW many times do each of them have to use the words "eyes off the ball", as an excuse.

Basically and relatively so, an ASBO, fundamentally relates to UK governments for if ANYONE is worthy and morally due to have an Anti Social Behaviour Order imposed upon them, then factually UK governments should be in numero uno place/position RIGHT at the TOP. They each deservingly earn it and attain it when their anti social behavioural policys are rejected at election time.

Hence, what we are about to receive, may Labour not be truely thankful, because it is as a direct result of them "taking their eye off the ball", and I doubt that Labour will ultimately be totally forgiven within the time between now and the next election regardless of attrocious social consequences imposed by present ConDem government. Hence David Miliband, if of inteligence I think he is of, will I think walk away from a political future he has little confidence in.

Why would I want to listen to someone that went straight from school into university and then straight into politics?

What possible life experience’s could he have to lecture the likes of me and millions of others on how we should take this country forward, how long we should work for and how we should treat other people.

This guy has never done proper days / nights work in his life and would not know honest days graft if it jumped up and slapped him in his smarmy smirking face

Like all professional politicians the guy is all hot air, theory, no life experience at all and a total waste of space so no I will not be watching.

Ed Milliband reminds me of Bernie Winters ,? im expecting Schnorbitz to walk on any time soon ,
why the media have not dubbed the Millibands Kayne and Able is any ones guess.

it must be hard for David with his fixed grin sit through his Brothers speech today ,still i cant see him hanging
around much longer

No I'm at work not at home in front of the telly; I'll read the edited highlights later out of mild interest over just how far to the Left the labour party will lurch under Ed.

Frankly though this is unlikely to win Labour my vote back, especially since my personally experience of working with a Union and seeing there head office from the insider perspective has left me very wary of their political arm and anyone they put in place.

If anyone is exploiting the working man it’s frankly union leaders in my opinion and I would never consider joining one.

I doubt Ed will be saying anything to win me over or convince my his agenda isn’t increased union power, after all he who pays the piper calls the tune and Ed has gained his position through the unions.

It really doesn't matter what he says, Ed Miliband will never be Prime Minister - his personality, policies, background and appearance make him about as appealing to the electorate as swine flu.

By electing Ed Miliband as their leader the Labour party have committed electoral suicide, just as the Tories did with IDS and Michael Howard.

The parting on the right

Is still a parting on the right

We will all get fooled again

Journalists, technicians and broadcast staff will walk out of the BBC on October 5 and 6, when the Conservative conference will be held, and again on October 19 and 20, the date of the spending review while at the moment there is constant running coverage of the Labour conference on both BBC news and Parliament channels. So much for impartiality. Shame on the unions for forcing a non partisan corporation to appear otherwise. And thus, I am not paying any attention to the voice of the unions now.

I'm watching him as I type and I'm trying desperately not to doze off.

His speech sounds like a history lesson to me; a lot of talk about what the Labour party did whilst in power, but nothing about what he's going to do as the new leader.

He looks just as useless and vacuous as I expected. David Cameron has nothing to fear; he'll be in 10 Downing St for a long while because this bloke is no threat at all.

No. His mandate to lead the Party is very dubious. All well and good to make irresponisble promises running for an office or postion, but when you win the role, reality of the irresponsible comments and policies come home to roost. Is he going to renounce responsibility for the economic mess his Party left the country in. Is he going to standby Darling's debt reduction proposal or just back no cuts at all because his union paymasters orders. Is he going to attend the Oct 19th rally to honor a committment he was totally foolish to make. If so he is proving how irresponsible one can be, if not he is telling the world that his promises are not worth a bean. The brother David is looking better by the minute.

Is the pope a protestant?

He said a new generation was in charge of Labour with "different attitudes, different ideas, different ways of doing politics".

So, does he exclude himself from position of responsibility in previous Labour government.

Does this mean that the OLD generation who made up the LOSING Labour government, namely and including the other Labour leadership contenders, excluding Diane, and the others who made up the Labour government cabinet, will not be part of his new opposition cabinet, which would mean quite a few redundancys.

Or are "different attitudes, different ideas, different ways of doing politics" just further pretentious propaganda gloss that even a one eyed blind meerkat could see.

No I am still celebrating the fantastic news of Red Ed's appointment as the leader of the Lazy party.I tried to watch some TV but its all about the Milibands and my puke bucket is full but at least I can relax with the knowledge that for at least the next 20years the Lazy Party will be in oblivion.The next thing to achieve is the disbanding of the BBC as it should be funded by the Lazy Party as its official news and publicity machine.I believe all BBC journalism is so biased in favour of these left wing bigots it should be investigated under the Trade Description Act.I have to purchase a licence(Tax)so I believe I have the right to refer to the Trade Descriptions Act.

Are you watching Labour leader's first major speech? Sorry comrades, I am watching some paint dry.

I could find nothing more tedious than to listen to any politician spouting platitudes to an audience of idolisers, let alone Mr Miliband.

With, hopefully, years of wilderness ahead, he could at least assure his listeners that 13 years of economy-wrecking were brought to an end a little while ago, and that it will probably take this competent coalition as long again to pay off our debts, personal as well as national, thanks principally to Brown when he was Chancellor, and Brown when he was the worst PM this country's ever had.

Same old blah blah blah. Doesn't he realise that it's only four months since we kicked them out because of the mess that they got us in?

Wants to value family and community and wants every child to have a loving home? Rich coming from a previous government that did all it could to destroy the traditional family and because of it's immigration policies changed the face of this nation forever? Turned it into a multi cultural mish mash. What community? You mean a 24 hr binge drinking yob culture that regularly trashes our town centres and a youth culture that makes many peoples lives a living hell. Perhaps he should start and set the best example by marrying the mother of his child?

And saved the NHS? From what? Only themselves.

Freedom and equality for all? What exactly does that mean? How about personal responsibilty?

As I began. Blah blah blah. Good riddance to labour and it's union masters.

I'm confused: if it's not New Labour anymore, is it Old Labour again, or New New Labour?

So, first we had Old Labour - failed
then we has New Labour - failed spectacularly
what next, Different Labour ?
Can the country ever afford another Labour party?

The speech is ok but he seems to be spending to much time trying not to upset the middle class £100.000 a year voters instead of trying get back the £40.000 a year working class voters that did not vote labour at the last election.

Listening to Mr Ed whilst I am working. I have heard this all before from the Clown. Mr Ed is a dreamer. Just like Clown, his promises are also meant to be broken. Little touches of communism in between, but there is little sense of reality comparing the wages of care workers and bankers. He is professing equality for all, but in reality many workers, especially in the public sector, will need to suffer a reduction in pay to achieve equality for all, but he has not told them yet, and probably never will.

No I am not listening to some jumped up career politian with no exp of real life. As a person living in Manchester Mr Milliband and his labourites have made my life hell this week with road closures etc... Who are these untouchables that are scared of the general public and need a police ring around them?? To say the labour party is paying for security does not wash either as when you get to the crux of it its still us the tax payer footing the bill and where have all these boys in blue suddenly appeared from? Party Conferences? Just spin and bull!!

NO I like my pantomime acts around Christmas time !

BY that time Mr ED might by a Panto horse with the Two Milibands inside it

Dear me....doesn't he go on?

I got caught by Tony! To my shame, i actually voted for him once. Words are way too cheap for these professional politicians - I'll wait until I see how he behaves, then judge him.

Once bitten - and regretted it for 13 long years!

YOU BETTER LISTEN TO THE CHINESE COMMUNIST LEADER
CAUSE YOU WILL BE WORKING FOR THEM SOON
( IF NOT ALREADY )

THANKS TO REAGAN & THATCHER THAT GAVE ALL JOBS AND INVESTMENT MONEY TO THE CHINESE !

I will listen as ever but to be fair I think there will be little of substance. If he still wishes to pursue the old socialist policies of the enforced re-distribution of wealth, thinks it is “fair” to have differential tax were I have to pay at 2½ times the rate that my neighbour pays, supports the current proposed industrial action and wishes to operate as 20% annual budget deficit then I feel the Labour Party will not be re-elected for a long time. I am not a fan of left or right in describing ones political views but to put his challenge into context he has to move the party’s thinking and policies to the “right” of centre to capture the votes he will need to form a government.
The population have moved on most people I speak to have a myriad of views which embrace the political spectrum and perhaps having a coalition means there is consensus around the policies that are pursued. I wish Ed to seek to remove discrimination (positive and negative) and legislations that discriminates against the rich, the poor, the race and the creed. It’s got to stop it is no longer acceptable for one part of the community to beat up on another part of the community are expect another part to do all the paying. We shall see as the weeks unfold and the Shadow Cabinet is announced as this I feel will colour the new policies that will be pursued. One thing is for certain we need an affective and vibrant opposition.

Why in the BBC analysis of EM and the union vote do they insist on noting that "More than 40% of unite voted ..."

Why not say "less than 50% of Unite voted for EM"

And what about those unions where more voted for David than for ED? There were a couple of those

And what about all those union people that voted for the other candidates?

There were THOUSANDS of those.

In the end, EM did NOT get a majority of union backing. He got the most (80 thousand votes or so) but the others between them clocked up around 125,000.

This entire Red Ed thing is complete BBC and other media GARBAGE!

Clearly there is a bit more to this man than we realise. Good start I say - and not as a Labour Supporter.

No. Didn't know it was on.

Had enough of Labour for a while.

Not left wing enough, I agree with him about being Red Ed, he isn't andwouldn't have deserved such an honour.

I'm sticking with the greens, the only party that isn't ashamed of being left of centre.

I just caught some highlights, and I thought he was impressive.

He sounded refreshingly optomistic, in contrast to the two doom mongering clowns at number 10!!

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That speech has really cheered me up. Brilliant stuff! Ed Miliband has just demonstrated that Labour has made the right choice for the new Leader. I can't wait for Ed to expose the ineptitude of Cameron and his unprincipled sidekick Clegg. Excellent!!

Are you watching Labour leader's first major speech?

No. I'm at work. But I'll get a reasonable, well balanced view of what's in his speech from reading the posts on HYS.

It shows that he has little political experience. How he will get the Labour party behind him with this miriad of policies beats me. He is doing what all new leaders do, setting out a plan that they never follow. How it turns out in practice, or how he and his crew follow it is a completely different thing.

Nothing new or revolutionary here. The proof will be in the next 12 months or so as he sets out his stall. I think that for now, Cameron will marmalise him at PM questions.

Are the first few comments of people from the Tory Madrasa? Come off it guys, I can spot you guys froma mile a way LOL!!!

No I'm not. Do we really need 3 HYS's on 'Saint' Ed? Give it a break BBC.

Goodbye David, you not needed as foreign minister....all that hard work he put in with Hillary Rodham Clinton gone to waste...never mind he can always join the Libdems...now thats a thought isnt it

Predictable, impressive words, but that’s all they are, words. He can sat anything he likes but it’s the actions that count.

Nick clegg always said the right words as far as I was concerned and look what has happened to his convictions

Time will tell I suppose

“Fooled again” probably

1. Leaders all over the western world get elected with just over 50% of votes and in Britain in elections are won with much less than that of the electorates. Once they are chosen they have to represent the views of all - not the section which supported him or her. Consequently, nothing wrong in Ed Milliband taking a different tone on his speech.

2. Well spoken, honest about his views and assessment of the issues in the short time he had. He should be judged in time not even before he starts. I applaud him for his speech giving due credit to all parties when situation demanded.

· 30. At 2:58pm on 28 Sep 2010, Kuradi Vitukari wrote:
Are you watching Labour leader's first major speech? Sorry comrades, I am watching some paint dry.

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Presumably then you will do us all a favour and refrain from commenting on it then

Can't watch the speech due to work commitments.

Hope it goes well for him. Be interesting to see any polls taken over the coming week as a YouGov poll of 1,948 adults for the Sun, conducted over the past two days, suggested Labour's support had risen to 40% - above the Conservatives, on 39%, for the first time in three years.

Even Rupert Murdoch the Tories great supporter and redeemer is reporting they're losing the arguments already.

Where next???????

Surprise, surprise Millipede plays to the gallery and particularly those most responsible for manufacturing his coronation, the Trades Union barons. The single interest groups to whom The Labour Party garnishes most of its electoral support (immigrants, benefit claimants, alternate lifestyles etc.) can rest assured that their lifestyles will be protected in the current uncertainty despite the economic disaster which they played a key part in creating and which the rest of us must now pay for to resolve.

Meanwhile however for those of us who form the mainstream forgotten majority, i.e. the employed, the law-abiding, Christian leaning, ethnically Caucasian etc. Millipede and his discredited party can offer nothing except more of the same of their discredited economics and social experimentation. More immigrants, more profligate spending without restraint, all from a party which has always been a world leader in spending other people’s money or money they simply don’t have but not much else.

No, I will not be listening. The speech is certain to be about 'Change', because every new leader of every party always promises change. Brown was going to change 'boom and bust', and Cameron appears to be in the process of changing everything. We never know whether change is good or bad until it happens.

The reality is that Ed the "slayer" is an ambitious and ruthless man; willing to humiliate his brother to achieve his ambition. I would never trust a man who could do this to someone he says he loves very dearly. Another Labour leader with a vision, and the over used, change agenda. Still, at least
Oxford men are leading the three main parties. Normal service has been resumed.

He said the fiscal legacy of 1997 was hard earned.. That was the Conservatives wasn't it?

Once again it seems we have hoardes of Daily Mail readers blocking objective views of the speech by Milliband today.
Excellent speech. Tho not a natural in front of a lecturn he delivered a balanced sensible and yet impassioned speech. Liked the bit about optimism-good rebuff to those seeking to drive this economy downwards. Good stuff on small business and entrepenourship as well an honest appraisal of Afghanistan and Iraq. Very good passage on the banks which will only annoy those who demand bonuses for failure.

A reasonable speech.

He's a nice guy, but a political lightweight.

What struck me was the obvious sourcing: He's read 'Spirit Level' and he gets climate change in a way that nobody else in mainstream politics seems to do...

if he keeps his promise genuinely to change UK politics - to get away from the Punch and Judy idiocy of PMQs and starts 'grown up politics' to match the vague efforts in that direction from the coalition; if he manages to shift the rhetoric towards ecological thinking, to the concepts that rising GDP isn't the best yardstick of well being, away from the old, stuck, tribalism, it'll draw a lot of us who were Libdems because that's what we thought they stood for...

What a pathetic display. Any just what is Britain's infatuation with Israel? why is the rather internationally-unknown new leader of a party out of power in Britain, going out of his way to admonish Israel in what is basically his opening speech to the British public?

If he really wanted to discuss foreign policy issues, why not mention Pakistan and Iran which are some of the most pressing issues?

Of course not. This was a pathetic placation of the left wing Israel-obsessed nut jobs and their Islamic bedfellows whose votes Labour goes out of its way to court.

You're a joke, Ed.

So he tried to distance himself from everyone, whilst pleasing everyone. Unions, old labour, new labour, Blairites, Brownites. I mean it was just painful and wandering. Designed to appeal to Middle England Marginal seats. It madness to try and appeal to everyone in a country with little no value consensus beyond basic morality. Its more madness to try and do it in ONE man.

I am really bored with labour. There is nothing new here, I can no longer vote for labour to keep the tories out. I'm better off siding with protests AGAINST the current Tory government and hoping this time they murder themselves. I really don't expect much of this countries short term future.

Labour (and the Tories) need to be broke up into smaller parties. There just too big and viewpoints are not being discussed and compromised on, there being neutralized by party "leaders".

Rainbow coalitions and parliamentary democracy over cabinet democracy.

Why bother?
It will be like any labour speech, full of lies.
Labour are a has-been party. And hopefully a never-again prty.

WHY - WHY? Do you have a Tory apologist asking Andy Burnham questions on BBC? This is classic push-polling - he just called National Insurance a 'tax on jobs'?

why is this man allowed to be here?

New Labour is dead.... Long live the Labour Party!!

To be honest if I was reading the speech it could have been any politician from the last 30 years from any of the three parties’.

Just goes to show that it makes no difference until we all stand and be counted.

A politician opens his/her mouth, says what 50% of the population want to hear and they all agree, the other 50% disagree no mater what is said. Because he/she is wearing the wrong party colours. Lets face it the only difference between any of them is the colour of the tie

How do you spell the sound you make when you throw up?

Now what would I want to do that for, its the same gang that put us into this mess.

Brilliant speech from Ed Miliband. At last there is party leader aiming to make politics more real and to engage with people. He lifted this over the usual conference humdrum. For the first time in some years I felt moved by a political speech, so something worked!
If only it meant that the ragtag&bobtail coalition were not still in power...

And the mystic babble flows like a torrent from the mouth of a mystic preacher of the Doctrine of Sacrifice, twisting the very meaning of language and concepts, stolen from the mind of dead people to con the minds of the living!

Do you believe the nonsense?

No I -

Lets re-write history and forget the transgression of a decade or so.......Jump down a rabbit hole and become like Alice chasing the rabbit!

I thought it was a new one of those 'Creature Comforts' adverts...

No much better things to do had a nice carvery and a few pints ; cheers

At least he didn't burst into song, all that talking about the new generation. Yes mate, Generation Debt. Thanks Labour, not.

Yes, I watched. Gandhi said, "Be the change you seek." A speech which was plainly self-written, almost entirely devoid of rhetoric, pretty brave given his audience, somewhat nervously delivered and -arguably - over-long was a pretty good first step. I'm sick to death of over-prepared, soundbite-ridden, media-trained 'professional' politicians. Like many people, I knew very little about Ed Miliband and I'm pleasantly surprised. I felt I was listening to an honest man.

I watched it. I'm still laughing. People vote for this lot at their own risk.

Labour are in real trouble I think. I am not a Labour voter, and neither did I support all of the policies of Tony Blair. But for all that, you have to admit he was a very gifted politician. You can choose your own interpretation of what 'politician' means, but the point is, I look at Ed, and I look at Tony, and Ed is just never going to measure up.

The Conservatives feared Blair, and rightly so. I can't see them fearing Ed. My pet rabbit wouldn't fear Ed.

I don't want to judge him too harshly yet, but his speech wasn't particularly rousing.

So far so good: acknowledging the mistake of the war in Iraq, immigration concerns, the importance of the Middle Class, etc. He has a good accent & comes across well. Well done my boy!

Until he threw his hat into the Labour leadership ring I didn't even know Ed Miliband existed. However, having watched his speech this afternoon, I thought he presented a coherent and credible set of ideas that I would be happy to vote for.

If you didn't listen to Ed Milliband's speech how can you offer any form of critisism.

I listened to the speech and whilst I wasn't swinging off the rafters with delight I was pleasantly surprised considering this was his first major outing as the Labour Leader.

Let's just wait and see what happens and give the guy a break.

Looks like he is trying to position the party in the centre-left space usually occupied by the Liberals which is quite an astute move in that Labour will not only appeal to disaffected Liberal supporters but, if they don't get a majority at the next election, they can form a coalition with them if there is a hung parliament.

However, 4 years is a long time in politics so we will have to wait and see what happens.

I would rather pull my toe nails out with a pair of pliers than watch a Labour union flunky telling me how we made a mistake throwing them out of power after they taxed me to death to pay off their voters and destroyed my country, my liberty and hundreds of thousands of women and children in the middle east. I don't care if he now says he didn't agree with the war or any of their other futile and stupid policies. He stayed deafeningly quiet at the time when he could have made a difference, instead he chose to preserve his career.

Are all those delegates the same ones that used to give Blair and Brown a standing ovation or are they computer created? Not sure that I recall him speaking against the Iraq war at the time?

Does his mum know that he has bunked off school?

And I see that Kinnock has lost none of his wind and p**s.

Back to the same old pseudo socialist empty rhetoric.

55. At 3:34pm on 28 Sep 2010, Its all Thatchers Fault wrote:

Predictable, impressive words, but that’s all they are, words. He can sat anything he likes but it’s the actions that count.

Nick clegg always said the right words as far as I was concerned and look what has happened to his convictions

Time will tell I suppose

“Fooled again” probably

Do you mean this conviction?

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7003100.stm

Again we hear that hackneyed phrase "FAIR SOCIETY" from another mesia of the chattering classes ED MILLIBAND.When he was part of the last government the British worker had to work longer hours.Because his government taxed the ordinary worker so much.Add that to the fact that their pensions were desemated.The gap between rich and poor widened to its worst ever.His paymaster the unions stood by like his government and saw waves of cheap imported labour from abroad.Take jobs and lively hoods away from the people who voted for them.We became second class citizens in our own land.Billions wasted on stupid idears and non jobs.If NU/OLD LABOUR want a new label how about the hypocrites party.No dought these truthful words will be moderated out for the sake of the BBC calls democracy.

69. At 3:45pm on 28 Sep 2010, Macha Maguire wrote:

WHY - WHY? Do you have a Tory apologist asking Andy Burnham questions on BBC? This is classic push-polling - he just called National Insurance a 'tax on jobs'?

why is this man allowed to be here?

He is there to provoke debate and National Insurance is seen by many as a tax on jobs.

Brilliant speech, both myself and my partner watched it in full. I was so touched by his words on the need for honesty in politics and the living wage. A plea to David - don't leave, your country needs you. Both of you in the game is greater strength, not division.

Ed's speech came from the heart as well as from the head. It was authentic,human and based on a bedrock of conviction that has at it's centre, fairness and decency for all.

I didn't realise Bob Crow was making his first speech!

The Tory media run the country for the next 5 sad years. Ed. Miliband is promising a breath of fresh air and new politics based upon markets and fairness. Something alien to the vultures of this coalition.

Clegg spent his time in opposition condemning Brown and Blair for thier support of the USA and for failing on fairness, yet here is another man of privilage now grovelling to America and supporting brutal cuts on innocents who did not cause the reccession. What kind of fairness is that Lib dems?

Next week we will have privilage and the press telling us all to tighten our belts while they the Coalition protect those who caused this very reccession. They wont need to tighten thier belts Clegg and Cameron's privilage will assure thier type live it up while the least well of face poverty and a choice between eating or heating. Because that is the choice Cameron is offering in his 'Big society' a choice of staying warm or eating.

The Coalition are creating the Broken society, Labour must not allow them to do so else we are going back in time. Our children will pay most for what the Markets have been allowed to do but they may find there are few jobs and no houses.

The Coalition are about protecting the Greed culture and attacking the least well off in society. Labour must change this baseness.

70. At 3:49pm on 28 Sep 2010, mwmonk wrote:
New Labour is dead.... Long live the Labour Party!!
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Quite right. It's about time we had a political party in this country that didn't just pander to those with the most money.

I just dread that we may have years of this droning, pious, smug, done nothing, preaching little cub-scout boring, boring, BORING us to tears with his pathetic, self-righteous whining for years to come.

And the BBC charter says they have to give him air time??? Surely we should get a rebate on the licence fee every time he spoils our viewing.

When they go on about Zanuliebour reducing crime, what they fail to mention is that they created "Anti Social Behaviour" which is crime in anyone else's book, but not the reds. Crime was decreased bcause these guys moved a load of it elswhere a little bit like our money.

What a load of tosh. This guy is an idiot and reminds me of Neil Pillock. Hopefully an entire generation if not more of Liebour in opposition.

Perhaps they should have kept Gordon!

He means well, he's a nice lad, he has a lot to learn so let's hope he learns it before he is PM and not on the job.

In the interests of this country, Ed Milliband should have made one commitment above all; to work fully WITH the coalition government to get us out of the mess that such as Blair, Brown, Prescott and Harman, to mention a few allowed this country to get into. To spend the next 4 years or so working as a government of national unity. He should have warned off the Unions, telling them that strikes would not have the backing of the Labour Party and will be detrimental to our recovery, thereby renouncing his Red Ed credentials.
His comments on the Iraq war were welcome, however he should have taken the opportunity to apologise on behalf of the Labour Party for the unnecessary deaths and injuries caused by this folly.
As for crime and immigration; his comments were somewhat tongue in cheek, being that it has been Labours’ open door policy over the last 13 years that have led us to where we are now - a country overrun by immigrants, which is rapidly becoming a Mongrel Nation. And as for Crime, they can (and this applies to all parties) quote statistics saying that crime is going down. The ordinary man and woman on the street know differently – what of the pensioner who is frightened to leave his/her house for fear of coming across the yobs down the street. As for the police, a joke – the yobs speak and treat them like dirt, and the rest of us have lost confidence in them through their inability to police our streets so that we feel safe. They must be the only profession who get paid whilst others do their job (i.e. Joe public).
And what of the feckless and workshy! Or are they beyond the reproach of a Labour Government who see them as hard core voters to the party - that’s always assuming that they can get out of bed and manage to put a cross on a ballot paper - it's probably thankful that they only have to put a cross and not have to spell their names being that some 25% leave school not being able to read or write (but that’s another subject).
All pie in the sky I am afraid. Conflict and strife is what we have to look forward to over the next 4 years or so.

58. At 3:38pm on 28 Sep 2010, shillo wrote:

Can't watch the speech due to work commitments.

Hope it goes well for him. Be interesting to see any polls taken over the coming week as a YouGov poll of 1,948 adults for the Sun, conducted over the past two days, suggested Labour's support had risen to 40% - above the Conservatives, on 39%, for the first time in three years.

Even Rupert Murdoch the Tories great supporter and redeemer is reporting they're losing the arguments already.

Where next???????

Having a lead in the polls is quite meaningless just after a general election. Maybe the Labour party should of had their leadership contest before it was held.

Red Ed says "the fiscal credibility we earned before 1997 was hard won and we must win it back by the time of the next general election." So they earned fiscal credibility when in opposition, lost it in power, and want to win it back again now they are once more in opposition? Confirms what I always knew - the Labour party cannot be fiscally responsible when in power.