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| Thursday, 6 April, 2000, 16:22 GMT 17:22 UK Cults: Should they be banned? ![]() Once again, the activities of religious cults are in the spotlight. While the Ugandan authorities continue to unearth the bodies of members of a religious sect, the followers of another cult in Peru are rescued from death by the police.
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Victor Lefrancois, Canada Unpleasant as the events in Uganda may be, it would be virtually impossible to ban cults without removing the right to free speech, thought, assembly, freedom of conscience, freedom of religious thought and most other human freedoms. And who exactly defines what a "cult" is? Every religion must have started as a Cult and become acceptable latter on. Christianity for sure might have been considered a dangerous Cult by the Roman Empire. I don't think state or religious groups have the right to brand others.
If you ban Satanism, what of Christianity? What does it matter who, which god, or what you choose to worship, as long as you practice your rituals within the laws of the appropriate land. Dream Weaver, England All religions are madness, based mainly on fear and ignorance of the unknown. It's hard to say whether or not one is 'worse' than the other given the choice!
Ben Right, United States Reading through the comments, I find Josephat Ddungu's question intriguing. Why do people start cults? Do we need new cults? Don't we have enough "brands" to choose from? Is it an investment or a fashion to come up with the latest model? Cults take many forms these days from the dooms day cults to the Roman catholic, eastern Orthodox, Mormons, Jehovah witnesses, etc. All of these are cults it is just some are more accepted and have a larger membership than others. Religion has historically been used to discipline the populace and cults are no exception. Some people need the comfort in belief. But anyone who is foolish enough to harm themselves through religious propaganda shouldn't be part of society and is better suited to the isolated lifestyle within these groups.
Yakobo, Canada You can't lump all religions or cults into one basket and curse them all. Just like you can't lump all political parties together with the extreme parties. Some people in this debate are expressing at lot of atheistic intolerance of religions in their comments! Weren't the greatest slaughters of the 20th Century caused by atheistic movements (Nazis and communists)? P.S. As an evangelical Christian I'm prepared to love and tolerate people I don't agree with - are these so-called enlightened atheists? Who would determine the label of "cult"? Some evangelical's believe LDS Mormons and Catholics are in a cult. Would it be up to a "Majority Rule" per region? Unless they do something illegal and are caught you cannot do much to curb them. Santaria is legal and involves animal sacrifice. Certain Native American religious practices are legal in involve peyote. What do you do about those?
Peter F.B Pappamikail I'd like to say that the idea of banning cults seems an extreme step. Objectively it's difficult to set a clear line of demarcation between religions and cults, and established religions have often been guilty of stigmatising not so well established religions by calling them cults, which is just a modern version of the old technique of calling those who subscribe to a different religion "heathens" and "infidels". It's not that I don't recognise the harm done by cults such as the one responsible for the mass suicides/murders in Uganda: it's just that law is a blunt instrument for dealing with the problem and can be unfairly discriminatory. The whole problem behind cults such as the Movement for the Restoration of the 10 Commandments of God is that people too easily listen to power-hungry zealots rather than the truth and light that the Bible provides. I have heard many people calling all religions dangerous and all religions cults, but if people would follow their religions instead of allowing people like this cult's leaders define their beliefs for them, events like these could be prevented. Check out Jesus some time, you might like it. I have listened to a number of callers on your program and many have looked at the question, 'why do people join cults?' I would be interested in hearing a discussion and comments on the question, 'why do people start cults? What is really the intention of those leaders who go out to start a cult and later recruit members?
Dale Emerson, Belguim If someone, as an adult, wants to join a cult, fair enough; Did those children choose? Governments CAN restrict "the choices" we make, look at libel or slander laws, don't they restrict our freedom of speech? What is a cult? Christianity could be defined as a cult along with everyone of the worlds religions. How would you be able to ban a cult? Isn't that an erosion of free speech. Besides that it would be almost impossible to do. Of course banning cults would also have to include banning those who subscribe to the modern cult religions of Socialism, Feminism, Gay Rights, Animal Rights etc. This crazy idea seems to have an up side after all.
Zainab S. Kabir, US A cult is too indefinite, and attempts to ban voluntary groupings tend to defeat the purpose. To the extent that we frown all oddities (such as racism) out of sight, we limit our potential to evolve. This is not to say there are no obviously wrong queer behaviours, but what is obvious to me is not obvious to all. I do not agree that poverty wholly explains why people join cults, or why people joined the Movement for the Restoration of the 10 Commandments. One of the known cases is that of the mother of a fairly middle class computer software engineer who had been living with him in Kampala and could not have been considered destitute.
John Clements, UK Your comments during the programme
Tim Slater, Bavaria I was born and raised as a Jehovah's Witness, and when I left the religion I was disciplined by "disfellowshipping" and the rest of my family, all believers, were instructed not to speak to me until I 'returned to the faith'. Couldn't that be called coercion to stay inside a cult?
Wes Sale, US I was born into a cult called the children of god and I remember a strange and bizarre life. For me the whole experience was very negative and frightening. When you look at the conflicts caused by so-called legitimate religons, it is not so difficult to understand the actions of cults. Religion in general creates divisions and isolationism. It is a shame, that so many people could have perished in Uganda without anybody noticing. The government should explain how such a tragedy could have happened. People have been betrayed by the government and by the mainstream churches and have been alienated and that's why they turn to cults which promise them relief from their problems. Can the main stream churches get out of their closets and reach out to the perishing with the message of Jesus Christ of love and hope! I respectfully disagree that cults are the place many go due to impoverished conditions. What I think does entrap someone is that the give people a false sense of community, of a togetherness, and an ability to get to Heaven quicker than the average person. The end result is it's very very scary to think someone can become that enraptured.
Martin Dvorak Czech Republic
Mohamoud Afrah When beliefs are taken to extremes, religious cults become violent, either to themselves or toward others, therefore, it becomes evident that the corollary should also apply; namely, that the less strongly a belief is held. the less likely it is that less violence would be exhibited. Surely, there is enough evidence to demonstrate that the divisiveness of religious belief is one of the worst causes of the conflicts which beset this planet. Your comments before we went ON AIR I am deeply concerned with 'who' will decide the definition of a Cult. I'm torn between our very own "Jamestown Tragedy" as well as "The Salem Witch Trials". Religious Freedom is at stake here as well as protection of humanity from the evils of false prophets. I have no answer except to be very, very careful in what we banish. As a former cult member, I know that simply banning a cult will not produce the desired effect of preventing membership in the group. Instead, cult members often see such things as proof that they are indeed God's chosen. The problem is that those in a cult do not recognise that they are being controlled. They perceive that they have come to their belief of their own free will. Even if that belief denies the basic human right of life.
Chris, Canada It may not be a good idea to ban cults as such an action will inconsistent with the concepts of liberty and civil rights. But what can be done is to constantly monitor the activities of such groups and make the people who join the cults aware of the danger they are exposing themselves and others to. Most of the adherents of cults are either illiterate villagers or ignorant people. So, responsibility lies with the Governments concerned to make these more aware. I don't agree with some people, who say, "all religions are cults." I don't know much about other religions but Christianity is not a cult. I don't consider the Ugandan cult members as Christians. True Christians are those who strictly follow the teachings of Jesus Christ without any human modification. True Christianity results in basic changes in ones life and has nothing to do with the mass killings observed in Uganda or anywhere else in the world. True Christianity and Jesus always go together, and wherever Jesus is present there will be peace of mind, a base for social stability. Please try Jesus and check out that true Christianity is not a cult and it has nothing to do with mass killings or suicide. Religion as we all know, is by and large irrational and can be dangerous both to individuals and society at large. Dispossess, ignorant and poor societies looking for some answers to their predicaments are far more susceptible to the influence of any so call religious organisation. I am not in favour of banning cults, but I am in favour of protecting poor innocent people from falling into this form of tragedy. One way of preventing the repeat of this form of tragedy is through education,and proper scrutiny of so-call religious groups.
Tim Jinkerson, UK Cults religious or otherwise should not be banned. The concept or cult, I believe is not clear. A lot of human activities other than religion are operated in a cultic manner. Such activities include government, (cult of personality) commerce, ideologies and some professions. In cases such of Uganda the cult activities were magnified by the fact that there is no government. How can such a large number of people disappear without the 'government " noticing it.
Bill Halchin, USA Cults usually represent an idea whose time has come plus charismatic leadership. The more universal the teaching, the more likely the 'cult' will grow from the fringe of a society to the centre of its culture. No beliefs ought to be banned. You should be ashamed of yourselves for even asking that question. However, I don't see a problem with a government keeping an eye on groups that may seem dangerous. My husband has been attracted to an extreme religious group, which has the origins of a cult in Walterboro, South Carolina, USA. It calls itself the Overcomerministry, the founder calls himself the 'Last Day Prophet'. This man encourages break-up of families and has been quite successful is doing so. My comment is that cults are formed by persons who are bitter about their own personal lives and are aiming to make themselves rich through the wealth of others by psychologically bullying vulnerable persons who lack inner strength at some point of their lives. Belief in God has nothing to do with most of these incidents, it is purely evil and encourages wicked people to do more wicked things all in the name of God. There is a huge difference between freedom of speech and freedom to kill: cults which lead their followers to their deaths ought to have their activities curtailed, for the protection of the cults' members. Dangerous cults should not be banned - doing so only drives them into hiding where they cannot be observed. There is also the issue of an individual's right to worship as one pleases. Even though many cults, such as Scientology, are threats to national security and dangerous to critics, most liberal societies feel, rightly in my opinion, that curbing religious violence and abuse will adversely effect religious freedom for those who cause no harm. This is why dangerous cults such as Scientology are free to wreak havoc in USA society - the cost of prevention is too high.
David Hammond, UK The real problem with cults like this is their isolation from the rest of society. This allows the leaders to from some sort of mini- government where the followers are no longer allowed to express dissent or divergent views but are kept in tow by threats and fear of even death. This phenomenon has underlined most such tragedies, from the Guyana tragedy to this one. Available law enforcement and a functioning judicial system is really all that is required. Social psychology states scientific research in to the causes of human behaviour, in particular, group dynamics, is important before we pass judgement on the values of a particular group.
Godber W. Tumushabe, Uganda The problem is not one of belief or religion but rather one of education and information. The unfortunate people who died in this horrible manner were not weak or feeble-minded, they were simply used and misled by a mass murderer and sociopath. All religions have a myth of 'the last days'. For the unfortunate souls in Uganda, the prophecy of doom proved true. To believe that it is possible to make a moral judgement upon the legitimacy of an organisation is ridiculous. Taken to its logical extreme Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism and any other religion would be outlawed. There is already provision for dangerous individuals or groups, these are the routes to be followed, not knee-jerk reactions to what the followers believed to be genuine (and for all we know maybe they are) religious communities. COMMENTS: The crimes of murder and aiding and abetting suicide are already illegal. Other than that, no, religious and political thought should never be banned. It runs the risk of the Government of the day banning anything that appears to threaten its perceived control over the people. Also, these reports of the misdemeanours of various cults are coming from all over the World. If we banned them here, it still wouldn't help Uganda.
Evelyn Lutalo, Uganda How about banning all religious groups, cults and the mainstream? At least the cultists tend to keep to themselves. Mainstream churches, on the other hand, have throughout history been responsible for the persecution and murder of millions of persons deemed to be non-believers.
Danial Beers, NZ I believe that people have the right to believe what they like. If this leads some of them to be deluded into believing nonsense put about by cults and/or religions, then so be it. If they're stupid enough to believe that some sort of suicide or mass-death will grant them admission to the next life, let them do it - people have a right to make a fool of themselves. The problem comes when they decide to start taking non-"believers" with them in the belief that they are on some kind of mission from 'God'. I do not believe Governments should have the right to ban anything - even for the perceived good of the people. Human beings are theoretically blessed with choice and do not need to be 'nannyed' by the state. If some people are silly enough to be led into a destructive cult which claims their life - tough, it is their own fault. If governments want to help they should aid the unbiased transmittal of information about various subjects so that the tax paying populace is better informed with regards to making a decision. As usual those people who firmly believe in there particular religion/cult think their way is the only way. So people like Trevor Dodds think early indoctrination is the answer, as long as all children are indoctrinated with his beliefs. Cults should not be banned but any organisation that is not a registered company should be available for investigation, and that includes established religions, charities and recreational groups. I was taught a long time ago:- "Anything good is hard to join and easy to leave" whereas "Anything bad is easy to join and hard to leave" Attempting to ban cults can too easily turn into repression by the state of basic human rights. However I think that a profile of potentially dangerous groups should be drawn up, and such groups should be monitored by the secret services so that any crime can be prevented in advance.
Ray Marsh, Australia I seem to remember an historical precedent from about 2000 years ago which has relevance to this debate. As I remember, it had something to do with a carpenter's son with some radical points of view who the authorities of the day decried as a subversive. His followers were persecuted and executed as members of a dangerous sect. I think that we should be careful about rushing to implement irresponsible laws in the name of protecting people from themselves.
Mandlenkosi, South Africa Cults should not be banned but regulated by requiring them to post their complete financial statements for the government and the public to scrutinise. All religions were cults at one time but many religions are becoming like cults again in their desire for money. All cults seem to be driven by greed. The more paranoid and apocalyptic they are the more they extort money from their faithful causing a vicious circle of dependence and fear. Freedom to all religions should not free them from a responsibility to society, therefore they should pay taxes as do individuals and corporations Ban cults? Then what...the Girl Scouts? People have a choice to join these and any other religious organisations/cults. I dare say that Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc. all started off as small religious cults; they didn't become vast worldwide faiths overnight! On this basis, any talk of banning cults must surely include these great religions! I rest my case...
Laetitia, Kenya The problem is not "to ban or not to ban" cults. The problem is the underdeveloped countries being crucified by the IMF and The World Bank with brutal interest rates and concomitant debt payments and creating squalor and hopelessness in their wake. Obscurantist, religious cults breed in such circumstances and are products of profoundly sick societies. The solution is to radically change the world politically, socially and economically to the advantage of all the people. Only when that is accomplished will Doomsday cults lose their appeal to suffering humanity. I think what happened in Uganda is a dreadful thing. Jesus' Ten Commandments are rules of love, peace and justice. If you say that you adhere to these rules, how can you be able to kill so many people? And besides: if you believe in God, how can you be so scared of future to want your life to come to an end? Firstly, in my opinion all religious organisation is a cult of a nature. In an ideal, scientific, fact- based world all religion should be banned. However, we do not live in an ideal world, and if we start banning "religions" are we not just telling people how to think, and run their lives? Then what separates us from the cults? Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting them, just their right to exist. Cults are 100% malicious, evil, self-serving centres for hate, oppression, and prejudice. But so is the Catholic Church, Islam, and all the rest. The Cult is a very horrible belief. The Lord Jesus Christ never asks for anyone to kill themselves or others. He is a God of love. Yes the Cult should be banned. The tragedy that took place in Uganda, and is still unfolding, is a very good reason for banning these so-called cults. These doomsday prophets are not only a danger to themselves but to other innocent beings.
Peter Nicholls, UK Be it a cult or religion, every faith based organisation is supposed to advance humanity to a new level of progress, spiritually as well as materially. If it fails in this responsibility, it has no reason for existing. In the case of cults that fool people to commit mass suicide, it is absolutely necessary for human decency to ban them.
Augustine Kwakye-Agyekum, South Africa Firstly, exactly who is it that we would be trusting to ban these 'cults' - the UK state, for example, is officially tied to a 'religion' as full of irrational and archaic beliefs as any 'cult'. Should we trust one 'cult' to regulate another? The best remedy against any form of superstition is surely to attempt to foster a climate of open questioning and scepticism. No religion should be banned, but all forms of questioning those religions (including what the Christians call blasphemy) should not only be allowed, but also noisily practised by anyone who wants to further the interests of truth and humanity. Cults should be completely banned. These sorts of beliefs, which go in the shade of freedom of worship, should certainly be looked into for the sake of preserving human life. It is the prerogative of GOD to let you live or take you away and any other human being with such devilish minds like the one which happened in Uganda. I wish all the leaders of Religious groups to disclaim such things.
Mabvuto Nkangala, Malawi In South Africa there are many fringe religions which come and go and merge into each other and break away again. Logistically they could not be monitored, let alone controlled. They do encourage their adherents to switch off their brains, A human being is the highest form of God's creation. God gives life and only God has the right to take it away. Exaggerated concepts of freedom and rights mainly from the West, including the right to live or die as one chooses, pose the greatest danger to God's kingdom on this planet. African countries should steer clear of extremist views of freedom and rights as often propagated by the West.
Malebogo, Australia If a cult offers human sacrifices, it is from the devil and certainly should be banned. "Freedom of Religion" is a RIGHT so long as they are not devil worshipers and offer human sacrifices. There is a difference in salvation and a cult or a religion. Christ came to save those who are lost and HE lives in our hearts. We need to spread the word more about Christ and the plan of salvation. It would be truly wise if people before writing about cults etc., would look up the correct meaning of the word. A "cult" is a religion or faith that is led by a human leader. Often, Jehovah's Witnesses are branded as such whereas they have no human leader. Their leader is Jehovah's anointed King, Christ Jesus and no other. It is always wise to be sure of all the facts before considering any religion a sect or a cult.
Rubin Naidu, Canada Cults should not be banned under any circumstances. Instead they should be studied very carefully since they offer a window into our primitive nature which is much clearer and broader than any other effort to understand the pure forces and yearnings of the human psyche.
As far as being a potential menace to society, then it is not simply religion that should be targeted. What about the Labour, Conservative and LibDem parties? Should we ban those? Wake up people! Try to ban cannabis or prostitution and what happens? You still have the problem but it is driven underground. What an inane idea. Paul Boswell, UK As a Ugandan I was pushed off balance on hearing the news from home. I couldn't believe that such a thing would happen to my country men. I guess the main remedy is to educate people and try to uproot any related signs associated with this tragic incident. Yes yes yes. Cults by definition are a deviation from regular social behaviour and has caused more grievance than good. Could it be possible that the Ugandan authority had a hand in this horrendous "murder?" Given past and present problems the government have/is encountering with these so called religious fanatics, could it be possible that they wanted to stem this "cults" from growing into another thorn on the side of the government?
It is up to the people to decide for themselves whether a particular cult is practising the correct form of worship or belief. As such, it is the responsibility of the various religions in the world to enforce and stress on their teachings, so that the people would not be likely to be misled by corrupted teachings. Chee Kin, Singapore Cults should be banned. In Uganda we didn't have such problems during Idi Amin Dada's regime because he had regulated the practise of various religions allowing only three - Islam, Protestants and Catholics. I think this should be the way forward. Look at the Tabliq sect for instance which is always prone to violence on other people. We never used to have such, during the "good old days" of Idi Amin Cults: should they be banned? Well, as I am informed; believing in Christ once was considered a menacing cult and the believer was treated accordingly. So beware...
Trevor Blayney, N. Ireland All religions are cults, except some have been widely accepted in the course of time. If possible, all religions should be discarded. We don't have to search far and wide what all religions do, amputating arms, an eye for an eye, keeping people ignorant and unthinking for themselves. Cults recruit from the most vulnerable members of society and cannot be ignored. Many cults do not preach peace and have the potential to harm themselves and others. Remember Waco? The Branch Davidians had enough weapons to arm a small army! Members of the cult groups are insecure people. They can be led by half-truths because their own knowledge-base is limited. There are lots of such groups existing in today's society. It is obviously a difficult matter to establish criteria for banning such groups. However, many of these groups are violating existing laws. Cults should be banned, because they're a danger to society and the public.
This is of course at the cost of the cult members lives, but we have to take responsibility for our actions. It's not as if they don't know what the result will be. Rod Mansell, England, UK The difference between a cult and a main stream religion is just a matter of perspective. Cults tend to have many more activists in its rank than mainstream religions. But many mainstream believers are fundamentalist enough to maim and kill those who disagree with them just as in Rwanda and Burundi both predominantly catholic countries or Northern Ireland where the issue of sect is a strong one. Cults can be a danger, this is irrefutable. Jesus said "in the last days false prophets would be prevalent, misleading many. Whether these prophets preach commerce, racism, exploitation of humans or the planet they are all degrading this society. Education; focus on the essentials is fundamental in avoiding manipulation by cults. Fortunately we have choice. Governments can't ban our freedoms. |
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