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| Monday, 4 June, 2001, 11:15 GMT 12:15 UK Is 19 too young to drink? ![]() Police in Texas are investigating complaints that the 19 year-old twin daughters of President George W Bush tried to buy alcohol illegally at a restaurant in Austin. The legal age for buying alcohol in the US is 21, one of the highest in the world. In countries such as France and Spain it is possible to buy alcohol at 16 years of age. Many people believe the age limit in the US is unfair since 18 year-olds can legally vote, marry, have children, own firearms and risk their lives in the armed forces and yet they cannot legally sip a glass of wine in a restaurant. Do you think 19 year-olds are too young to drink? Would a lower drinking age limit increase the likelihood of alcohol related problems? This debate is now closed. Read a selection of your comments below. Your reaction Since the 1970s, 18 year olds have shared the rights and responsibilities of adulthood in Australia. They can vote, be tried as an adult, sign contracts, defend the nation, sit on a jury and drink alcohol. I think it is logically inconsistent to declare a person to be an adult for a whole range of purposes, at the same time as saying that he or she is still a minor for the purpose of drinking. Most of the problem drinkers and the repeat offenders for drink driving in Australia are in their 30s and 40s.
Gay Bonnar, New Zealand I applaud the fact that the US insists on a valid ID card to prove your age when trying to buy alcohol. I only wish that it had been this way in the UK when I was a teenager. I think 21 is a good age limit, although as always, people determined to get a drink will work around it. It always makes me feel better when I get asked for my ID to prove I'm over 21 - I'm 35. My take on this is that teenagers in both the US and the UK want to start experimenting with alcohol at around the same age - say 15 to 17. In the UK, once you're 18 alcohol loses a lot of its "thrill" - I know that once I turned 18, everything now legal seemed a lot less interesting than it did before. But in the US they have another 3 years of the "thrill" of getting away with buying alcohol underage. The fact of the matter is, teenagers will always abuse anything that's not legally and freely available to them. The US's attitude to alcohol abuse by younger people (and older people, for that matter) is to bury its head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. Thirty years ago Queensland had a 21 age for drinking, but it was common knowledge that 17 year olds plus were in the pubs. Now and then the police did sweeps but there was a wink and a nod so only a few under age drinkers were caught in the net. With the 18 limit we now have 15 year olds (particularly girls) getting into pubs. If you could do a physical and mental maturity test it wouldn't matter what age you drank. Unfortunately there are too many policemen and grieving families who will testify that death and injury at automobile accidents is caused by immature, physically and mentally, drivers in the 16 to 21 age group.
Elisa, USA So a few teens go out drinking and get killed in a car wreck! Does this mean that we punish everybody under 21 by saying they are too young too drink? An eighteen year old in America is old enough to vote, get married, own a gun, and join the army to fight, kill or even be killed for his country! He/ she is an adult and should therefore be treated like one! You're all missing the point. It's just hilarious that Bush's daughters were caught!!!! Does he still have any moral authority?? A few years ago we visited the Napa Valley in California. This is a wine producing area, hence we visited some of the wineries. During the tour we tasted a couple of wines. On two occasions they refused to server me as I was 4 months pregnant and gave my samples to my husband. He mentioned that he was the driver and the reaction was 'there is no problem drinking and driving'. Talk about double standards... I have just returned from a recent trip to the US. Several times during the trip I was not served alcohol because I could not prove I was 21. I am 31! I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Gareth, UK It's not about the age limit. Let me give you an example: I was never fobidden to drink alcohol in my house when I was a kid. Never have I had the urge to drink it outside in large quantities. People are suckers for images. To have an image of 'rule breaker' seems more appealing than being a 'clean cut' person, which is usually equated with being boring. To resist and not be a member of such a 'clan' is not necessarily a question that should be put only to teenagers but also to the older generation. If you can change the image of alcohol drinkers, you'll be able to solve plenty of problems. Having travelled many times to the States. I have come to the conclusion that America is the only country to go from infancy to senility without going through adulthood. They need to review their laws regarding the consumption of alcohol. I do think that 16 is a trifle too young but 18 would be a good balance to fall in line with other laws pertaining to the arrival of adulthood within the States.
Gilda Costa Mpuya, Tanzania, East Africa What's the big deal with alcohol? I was brought up by Spanish parents in England and we usually had wine with our evening meal. As a direct result of this I have never abused alcohol in the way that so many British people do. The law should change, but more importantly so must society's attitudes. I think the point is not the age itself but respecting the law. However this comes if you are respecting yourself in the first place. Anyhow, anyone of the age of 19 is not too young to do anything no matter what it is. I think 19 is too young to drink - you only have to look at the hordes of young drunken hooligans on the streets every Saturday night to realise that teenagers cannot handle alcohol. I am a teenager myself and I do not feel that I am ready to drink yet.
Neil Halliday, UK The reason that the legal drinking age is not 18 in the US is due to the fact that to get to any bars you usually need to drive to them. The legal driving age here is 16 and it is believed that if the legal drinking age was lowered it would lead to more drink-driving related accidents in the youth age group. I believe in the US the drinking age should be 18, the driving age should be 18 and there should be more bars near my apartment. I should point out that if you are 18 and in the military, then you are allowed to purchase alcohol. However, just because you are old enough to purchase a firearm is not a good indication that you should be drinking. I am 35. When I was 19 I was stationed in Germany with the Army. It was embarrassing to watch fellow Americans of similar age who, for the very first time, were allowed to legally consume alcohol, especially compared to Germans of similar age who hadn't had all the Puritanical restrictions we had grown up with. The argument that 18 year olds have all the rights, limitations, and responsibilities of an adult is a better one, but watching the differences in behaviour between two cultures with differing attitudes towards alcohol surely makes for a good argument to lower the drinking age. I thought that the age for drinking was set at 21 in the US because the makers of non-alcoholic drinks (Pepsi/ Coke etc) complained that they are not making enough profits from selling fizzy drinks to children. Adding young adults to this market has ensured profits remain high.
Giles Jackson, USA Perhaps a good test is to see how society treats the law in practice. In the US it's almost understood that teenagers drink on occasion, despite the 21 age limit. When the public accepts it, teens will easily find a way - like coming across the border to Quebec where the limit is 18. I lived and went to school in America when I was 16. Where I lived it was incredibly easy to buy hard and soft drugs yet it seemed virtually impossible to buy a beer.
Chuck, USA What nonsense it is to talk of 'having no right to break the law', how irrelevant. People break laws for many reasons but I don't think anybody thinks they are actually asserting a right to transgress. The Bush girls just wanted a nice drink. By drinking in a bar, and unfortunately for them getting caught, they show the ridiculous nature of the US laws. Other kids 'shoulder tap' over 21's to buy them booze to drink on the streets or wherever. This creates some very warped and potentially dangerous power relations. Laws are changed because they are consistently broken by reasonable people. Go Bush girls! From the perspective of an American citizen, I believe that it is the right of society to put certain limitations on young people. You will never eliminate under-age drinking or drunk driving, but I believe that it is an effective tool in reducing irresponsible actions on the part of teenagers who still believe that they are invincible. As a side note, drunk driving fatalities are down 40% for the general population and 55% for those under 25, in the past five years.
John Hawkes, UK When on holiday in Mexico at a time which coincided with the American school holidays, I saw many(under and over 18) abusing alcohol to the extent that they were doing things they probably shouldn't have been. The reason? Because they were unable to drink in their own country, so went overboard when they got the chance. A more healthy approach to alcohol consumption, such as that in many European countries (excluding UK and Ireland) would be more advantageous in terms of health and social well-being in general. I think that people in Britain may regard 21 as too old to be the minimum legal drinking age. However, America has different concerns than the UK. In the USA you can drive at the age of 16 and most kids either own or have use of a car at this age. Furthermore, there are very few cities with competent public transport systems. The pressure for kids to drink and drive in the USA is much greater than in the UK and hence the difference in the law.
Michael, UK I am teaching in an American high school at the moment. I have been shocked how under-age drinking is at epidemic proportions among my students and it is all down to the fact that they legally cannot drink until 21. There are several students who have been convicted of drink driving offences - some on one more than one occasion! My students in Britain drank but I don't remember any of them turning up to school drunk, like some here, and never heard of any of them trying to bring alcohol to school in water and soft drink bottles, like some do here. The more you restrict and the less you educate in regard to alcohol, the more likely there are to be problems. The Americans have got it wrong in so many ways! I believe people under 21 should not bother with alcohol because they're not mature enough to handle it. Studies show people under 21 die of alcohol-related car crashes. Many European countries should at least raise the drinking age to 21.
Malcolm, UK If, as a society, we let people drive cars and let them take on that huge responsibility at the age of 16, why not let them drink at the age of 19? The actions of the President's daughter, while disappointing, is irrelevant to the whole debate. Whether you agree or not with 21 being the appropriate age to legally drink, that currently is the law. I don't agree with having to pay income taxes, but it's the law so I do it. The whole argument of the legal drinking age in relation to being able to vote or being drafted at 18 is certainly a good argument in favour of lowering the drinking age and needs to be reconciled. With all those guns about, I think 90 is too young!
Vivien George, England In the UK you can marry at 16 and die for your country at 16. So it seems silly to say people of this age are too young to have a drink. There is however no age where you can say that people can handle their drink. The average age of the US Vietnam soldier was 19 and the majority of our troops involved in past wars were under 21. Unfortunately American society has created such a bizarre stigma with alcohol that people under 21 tend to be completely out of hand when they drink. In other nations it is not seen as such a 'big deal' and thus it is handled in a more mature manner. I think the age should be dropped to 18 but the transition will probably take a while. It's sad that our society has 16 year-olds handling shotguns and rifles responsibly (usually) but they can't handle a sip of beer. I have been drinking regularly since I was 15, with the knowledge and consent of my parents. They believed it was far better for me this way, as they could keep an eye on what I was up to; they would even buy alcohol for me. My sister, not 18 until June 27th, has similar privileges, and neither of us has had any problems with alcohol, nor is in any danger of developing them, thanks to the responsible attitude of our parents. When I went to the US aged 18, I found it unbelievable that I could do, legally, many things which would pose a risk to my life and the lives of others, yet I was not allowed to walk into a bar and buy a drink. As a child my parents would often give us watered down red wine with Sunday lunch. We grew up knowing about alcohol and the responsibility that goes with drinking it. That's not to say that we didn't get drunk occasionally. Moderation at any age is called for. The problem with the US is that "young adults" mix it with drugs, guns and sex. Anything that is taboo will be binge taken. Educate the young. Teach them their responsibilities and let them live their lives just as we did. If they don't drink they will take ecstasy etc as the replacement. After all it's easier to get than beer!
Paul Hodgson, UK The drinking age in the UK seems to be correct. However, no matter what you do, underage drinking will persist as children these days find it a thrill to get away with breaking the law. It's the same old prohibition argument. The more you restrict a part of the population from doing what the rest do, the more they will abuse it. Just look at the difference in attitude toward alcohol between the UK and Continental Europe. Over there they have a much more mature, healthy attitude where there are few limitations. Over here we have a binge drinking, alcohol fuelled yob culture. Treating the population like immature idiots only encourages them to act that way.
SEB, England This is the second time they have been caught drinking underage. However, the drinking age should be lowered just to match sex and driving laws. Alternatively, perhaps their father should talk to them rather than destroying 30 years of global peace negotiations. People can have drinking problems at any age, and preventing them drinking before the age of 21 when they can do so many other things at the age of 18 is plain ludicrous. It's time America stopped being so puritan. Is 19 too young to drink? Is 16 too young to drive a car in the UK? Is 17 too young to vote? The legal drinking age is immaterial. Just because a law may appear out-dated or harsh we do not have the right to break it. We have to accept it as it is. And there are more important issues than drinking alcohol. Personally, I think it is unfair that people under 18 who work and pay tax are not allowed to vote and have a say in how their tax revenue is spent. |
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