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| Tuesday, 13 February, 2001, 13:39 GMT Should sanctions against Libya be lifted? ![]() The end of the Lockerbie trial has brought calls for the lifting of UN sanctions against Libya. The UN suspended most of its sanctions when Libya handed over the Lockerbie suspects in 1999. Libya now wants them formally lifted. But the US still wants Libya to accept responsibility for the bombing and compensate the families of victims. Tripoli is refusing to do either. Should sanctions be lifted now? Should Libya pay compensation? What should the UN do next? We have been taking your questions and comments live on World Service Radio's "Talking Point on Air" programme. Click here for previous e-mails on this topic. Select the link below to watch Talking Point On Air This debate is now closed. Read a selection of your comments below. Your reaction Your comments since the programme None of the sanctions of America, against Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan or Pakistan are justified. Because America shows that it wants to solve the problem by applying sanctions on the country, but in fact it creates a much bigger problem. Lift the sanctions not only in Libya, but in Iraq also. Thousands of children are dying from malnutrition, while nothing has changed politically. I think everything would be in a good order if the US just kept their feet on the other side of the Atlantic! People of these countries are the only ones who can change things. The sanctions should be lifted. There is no meaning to any sanctions. Only the people of the country suffer. The sanctions against Libya are unjustified. The real victims are the ordinary people not Gaddafi's regime First of all, I would like to say categorically that what happened at Lockerbie was a horrific disaster, and a tragedy, and no amount of justice or compensation will ever suffice for the relatives of the victims. However, the same could also be said about those who lost their loved ones when the Americans shot down the Iranian Airbus as well as the Libyans who lost their relatives when the Americans bombed Libya in 1986. I am not going to condemn any country, but all I will say is that for all sides to accept and admit to their mistakes and to apologise for them is the only way to lasting reconciliation and forgiveness. This case leaves a very bad taste. It is hard to escape the conclusion that the victims of an atrocity have yet again been duped by the hounding of an innocent scapegoat, this time with overtones of a propaganda war. It is tragic to see those who have lost relatives expressing satisfaction at this outcome, and making further accusations against Libya. It is pointless to move the goal posts now. The verdict has been reached. Let the rule of law apply. Lift the Sanctions? NO! Not until Libya has renounced international terrorism and been brought to account for its actions in the Lockerbie tragedy. Indeed, maybe they should be kept in place until a free and democratic government is formed in Libya! I think we should introduce sanctions against the USA for their repeated violation of Human Rights. I believe that the USA, and its shadow, Britain are being unfair to Libya. A deal was made and Libya stood by it, now the sanctions should be lifted accordingly. Did the USA pay compensation to those victims it bombed in the 1986 Bombing of Tripoli? Yes the sanctions should be lifted. As far as the compensation is concerned ok it's fine. But who'll pay for all the losses which Libya has suffered during the sanction period? I think the Libyan people have suffered enough for the actions of its leader. You really can't make the people of Libya rise against its leader by putting economic sanctions on them. The sanctions on Libya has had the desired effect, the trial is over for good or worse. But the actions of some should not make the others suffer Hasn't this already happened in Iraq? All that will happen is that the Libyan people will be the victims, and the tyrant Gadaffi will stay in power. The US way of "peace and justice" in the Arab world has only killed innocent civilians, it has never proved to solve anything. It's odd to see that people were so enthusiastic about sanctions against South Afria, and Rhodesia before that, but now that Libya is concerned, suddenly they say sanctions hurt the innocent. The United Nations should lift the sanction on Libya as soon as possible without any conditions. Libya should present evidence why they still feel innocent for this? But pressuring Libya to pay compensation is premature .Let's give fair chance to Libya to prove their point. I just wonder how many of you lost loved ones in an act of terrorism? It is very easy to sit back and say what should happen, but the fact remains that there is a campus in the US that lost 35 of its best and finest students. AND, there are 35 sets of parents who will not live to see their sons/daughters grow into the people they should have been. That says nothing about the REST of the passengers. My personal opinion is that sanctions are nowhere near enough! If the verdict is upheld, then some 300 people were killed on the instructions of the present government of Libya. Are sanctions the best way to punish this government? - probably not - but the consequences of not taking any action may be worse in the long-run. The world needs to agree how these problems are dealt with in a way that is seen to be fair (by fair minded people at least). What makes it fair for one nation to have something and deprive other nations from having it. That is what the west and US do all the time. So please before even talking about a samll country like Libya or others, we should be fair enough to at least to admit that these big countries are the biggest enemies of the world peace. Lift them. See how Libya reacts and also sanctions only effect the poor. Leaders are not effected at all. If the Iranian navy had shot down an American airline killing over 300 people and the Iranians merely said it was an accident, I wonder if anyone would have accepted their apology, and I wonder where we would be now. Ones thing is for certain - somebody, somewhere would be cranking up the rage levels in the Middle East. That never changes. What wise politicians we have. I would be so happy if oil producing countries put sanctions on the West, stop selling just oil to them and see how they feel. This is only fair play! I find it astounding how little talk there is of the fact that the United States bombed Tripoli. During this bombing civilians were also killed, including Gaddafi's daughter. Why doesn't the Yale professor talk about President Bush's actions in terms of being a 'world citizen' as she does for Gaddafi? Isn't the Tripoli bombing, and the lack of its mention a perfect example of the double standards of the West? The situation is very simple. There was a deal brokered by Nelson Mandela: If Libya delivers the two suspects and the trial runs its course, the US and the UK will lift sanctions. All of that has happened. The US and the UK are simply going back on their word now, they are in breach of contract. The sanction against Libya is another clear-cut example of Western imperialist hypocrisy. If Libya can be sanctioned for its so-called 'state sponsored terrorism', how much more punishment would the mighty U.S. and its imperial allies would deserve for their misdeeds and acts of terror committed in the name of democracy? It is a fact that sanctions against Iraq and Libya have done more to harm the citizens of these two nations, rather than their dictators. On this basis alone, the sanctions should cease. Another aspect that is often overlooked is the selective sanctioning of various countries. If the United States and the UN were truly concerned with issues of justice and international well-being, they would not be selective in applying sanctions, and therefore would be compelled to place sanctions on two of the largest violators of human rights and international law in the world, China and Israel. In this case, we have a received half justice. These two men are responsible for the bombing of Pan Am 103. Both should be guilty and convicted. The real culprit that must be brought to justice is Gaddafi,. There is enough evidence to support that. But a deal was arranged with the UN including Nelson Mandela and Saudi Arabia to spare him from justice. Yes I agree that sanctions hurt the people of Libya. But people forget that if we allow Libya to trade then it will only start its nuclear programme and spend all its money on their armed forces then it will become a threat to regional stability. The guarantee offered to Libya by the international community for the lifting of sanctions was the handing-over for trial of the two Libyan suspects in the Lockerbie bombing. The Libyan government has met this requirement and the international community, especially the West, must lift sanctions against Libya to demonstrate integrity, moral leadership, and good faith in honouring commitment. If sanctions are not immediately lifted against Libya, the world leaders put their future negotiations into jeopardy. Sanctions must be lifted to save the international community from embarrassment! The US and UK seem to be adding more conditions for removal of sanctions. The sanctions should have been lifted after the Libyans surrendered the two suspects. Nobody has proved that Gaddafi had ordered the bombing. However, UK and US want Libya to pay 10 billion dollars to the victims. By the way, when US brought down an Iranian plane in 1988, they paid only 130 million dollars to Iran. So why should Libya pay 70 times the amount to the US. It is rather interesting to note, that when the Iran Air, flight 650 was blown out of the sky, 290 innocent civilians died. Their compensation by the US Govt was $62 million. The US and Great Britain are requesting $740 million for the 260 victims of Pan Am Flight 103. Is the life of an innocent Iranian worth so much less than that of an American? The double standards exhibited is shameful..really shameful... Most Islamic countries are non-democratic. However democracy is no guarantor of decency and much of the Western powers' foreign policy is disgraceful and self-interested. The world badly needs an effective and democratic global law and enforcement body that is free of commercial and political influence. Why are so many people misunderstanding the sentence given out? He has not been sentenced to 20 years, he has been given LIFE imprisonment with an absolute minimum of 20 years. The sanctions were levied, both by the UN and the US for the sake of bringing the two accused Libyans to trial. This has been done and the sanctions should cease. Now, it seems that the US is wanting to continue to punish Libya until they admit that it was a government orchestrated plan. People seem to forget that sanctions hurt only the ordinary people, not those in power. Why should a people be punished for the callous and tyrannical actions of their leaders? They are already suffering enough. What foreign policy seems to lack is humanity which larger and wealthier countries can afford to give. Gaddafi and his minions should be punished, not the people who must endure the consequences of his madness everyday. If Libya owes compensation to the families of innocent Lockerbie victims, does the USA not owe similar compensation to the families of civilians killed in the 1986 air raid on Libya? (not to even mention Yugoslavia!)
Lohrasb Amjadi, London I would like to ask Ruth about the fact that some Moscow diplomats were warned NOT to be on the plane. Could you please comment on this or explain? Thank you very much! Sanctions against Libya must be lifted immediately. There is no need to force Libya to admit responsibility because it was not involved as a state in the bombing. Even the conviction of Megrahi is doubted by some people in UK. If you give nations that sponsor international terrorism an inch they WILL take a mile! Western nations think that they have the power over the world especially Muslim nations. I think that Muslim nations should get together and put sanctions on them and see how they feel.
Jonathan, Scotland, UK On the specific issue of Lockerbie, I take no sides: I have nothing to do with it whatsoever. My point is, the sanctions on Libya should be lifted. In fact, they should never have been implemented in the first place. Not that the US is morally wrong in imposing them, but the fact is, they simply do not work. A leader crazed enough to order the bombing of an airliner or embassy or other place where innocents will be harmed is NOT going to care about his country more than himself. Sanctions will only make the poor and commoners suffer. The man on the street will have to sacrifice because his leader will try to maintain his position. If sanctions do not affect their specific intended target (the leader), then why have them? Was it terrorism when Libya supported Nelson Mandela and the African National Congress? I am glad that the Lockerbie trial has finally ended. While I agree that Libya might have been involved in that exercise of blowing up a plane, I guess we cannot make the people of the nation pay for one (or some) men's action. What would have happened if the plane had been blown up by a Western power? Only the culprit would have been punished: not the entire nation. Though there was a wrong done and a great deal of hurt was caused to the families, I think the sanctions have gone on long enough. Libya should compensate the families and let that be closure. The sanctions should be lifted. Libya met the commitment it made and delivered the men for trial. The implication that Libya may have been overall responsible for this horrendous crime should of course be investigated. However until sufficient evidence is available to the international courts, normal relations should resume. Your comments before we went ON AIR
Christopher Laird, Tokyo, Japan Yes, they should be lifted, but only after we go get their unconditional surrender. Col. Gaddafi has already started talking of new evidence that could free the convicted Libyan. Fine! Let's therefore wait for the appeal hearing. In any case when the accused is finally convicted, then I will finally be convinced that it was indeed just a criminal act that was not sanctioned by any state agent of Libya. Therefore the people of Libya should not be made to suffer because of the handiwork of one individual or a group of unproven individuals.
Roger Beck, Metropolis, Il, USA I don't think that the punishment that was given to guy who blew up that Pan Am jet was harsh enough. The judges should have giving him the death penalty, not 20 years in prison for the crime he committed. The terrible thing about these indiscriminate sanctions is that only the weakest in the target country are annihilated. Morally speaking, why should the US and UK brand other countries terrorists when the "superpowers" are terrorising the world by instigating and sustaining wars and crises, running the war industry and polluting the globe physically and morally.
Terry Helton, Crown Point, USA It would seem reasonable that, given that Germany is still repaying its war debt to Israel and to the B.I.S. for distribution to the United Nations it seems fair that Libya, on the weight of the evidence ought to be forced to pay damages and some compensation to the relatives, if only, based on lines of nationality, to those relatives who reside in nations who are pressing for such compensation. We cannot send yet another appeasing message to yet another anti-democratic and intolerant fascist republic (risibly self-nomered "socialist" as was Germany formerly known as "National Socialist") that we, the democracies, are doing all we can to make the world safe for tyrannical states so that they can conduct their mindlessly violent and disruptive affairs in the comforting knowledge that no one will even whimper next time Libya takes it upon themselves to blast a jetliner full of innocent passengers out of the sky. It's amazing how Western countries can never do this 'terrorism' thing. It's an 'accident'. When the USS Vincennes put a standard missile through an Airbus. Killing a couple hundred people. Where was the trial? Where was the outrage? Oh hang on. It was done by the US. And don't give me a mistake. That boat has an Aegis Battle System. It's a little hard to confuse a military aircraft with a huge airbus. A seriously cocky commander, a crew who probably had a mass delusion in battle? Possibly. But, don't tell me you can't tell the difference. Even a stupid 19 year old such as myself knows what a multi-functioned phased array radar can do. Imagine what would happen if another country 'accidentally' put a standard missile through a U.S. plane. Although, the U.S. doesn't seem to mind a good old massacre and doing nothing about it. A few thousands people killed in Timor was passed off as "dirty bedroom" by the Clinton administration. Not a single US combat soldier. Your three judges have decided that only one of the accused is guilty. Your judges have said Libya is not involved. Your judges have set free the second accused. What else do you want? Blood?
Kevin M, Calgary, Canada I am simply trying to find out the nature of your anti-American stance, before engaging in further dialogue. Remember Vietnam? Millions of Vietnamese and thousands of young Americans lost their lives. Despite many thousand MIAs and millions of ruined lives, the Vietnamese - particularly individual people - have showed a remarkable generosity and nobleness of human spirit in a willingness to forgive and look to the future. American policy to Vietnam, however, remained vindictive and was held hostage to families of MIAs. It is this demand for retribution that most non-Americans find perplexing and alienating - whatever their views on the merits of the case. If America chooses to flex its muscles and punish Libyan people indiscriminately (by sanctions or bombings), such actions will not be seen by most people outside America as being morally just, but that of a power which does what it wants because it can get away with it: that of a bully. Maybe when America stops capital punishment (the ultimate in barbaric vindictiveness) will we see an America with the political maturity and moral authority consummate with its economic power. Until then, there will be many forms of resistance to the exercise of American power.
Roxanne, USA Suez (1956), an eight year Iran-Iraq war fed and perpetuated by Western arms and Western interests, the second Gulf war (ditto), shooting of civilian airlines (by mistake - what?), sanctions against Iraq, sanctions against Libya, American air raids of civilian areas in Libya, air rockets sent to Sudan ... My dear friends, don't you see that the above list of atrocities and madness leads to one conclusion: Western leaders need to be re-educated regarding human rights of non-Western peoples, especially the Muslim nations. Now that we are talking about globalisation, their minds should be orientated towards what good they can do to the less developed nations not what punishment they should impose on them or set one nation against another in order to keep the arms factories in Europe and America rolling. The world is badly in need of global justice, not just global trade. The Lockerbie affair should be seen in this context, and the Western public should be given all the facts. Sanctions against a whole nation is unethical just like punishing the whole family for the crime of one individual. I think countries are all too willing to forgive and forget. What about when Israel sank an American destroyer in 1967? Within 8 hours they had apologized and we forgave them! Now we give Israel 4 billion dollars of aid per year, even when they are assassinating people. Live and let live is a naive statement to make or to believe. We don't like the Libyan government, sure, but did we impose sanctions on the Soviet Union? No. Not even over the Cuban Missile Crisis. Too bad.
Saima, Pakistan Libya has not taken responsibility for the actions of the terrorist group that it sponsored that blew up Pan Am Flight 103. Until Gaddafi renounces terrorism, Libya should be seen as a rogue state and treated as such. Lifting sanctions will only allow it to channel more money and resources into terrorism and pose a greater threat to the world than it does now. The judicial system has clearly indicated that the Libyans are innocent or at least there is no proof pointing towards them. The verdict is symbolic to appease the CIA. Compensation should be paid, but not from Libya: The US government should pay. Surprisingly, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Sudan, Libya are all under sanctions. Why only Muslim countries? Is this a modern crusade?
Kwasi Tieku, Canada Let the matters rest? Move on? Don't punish the poor citizens of the offending nation? It seems cowardice is now the main staple of many Europeans. Thank God Winston Churchill and not these cut and run people faced Hitler and Stalin. Two world wars bled the boldness out and left only knaves and fools in Europe. Please save your responses, go sit in the corner while we fix things. Once Americans abandon this romantic illusion that they are somehow protectors of the planet, then their populist government will have to change to reflect this. Once this happens, America's foreign policy will in turn reflect the change in public attitude and for once we may see the United States begin to treat other nations with something other than arrogant disdain. Perhaps then America will realise that by lifting their hypocritical sanctions on other countries, they may in turn be forgiven for the human rights abuses they have inflicted on those very same countries.
CM, Ann Arbor, USA I have not studied the details of the Lockerbie air crash other than to know Libyans were accused of the terrorist act of bombing a passenger airliner, and that one, but not both accused Libyans, were found guilty of the offence. Serious statements and analysis cannot be done under conditions unsuitable to do so, and so I will postpone making a better legal analysis of the matter owing full respect to the legal process involved for both the victims, the families of the victims and the accused. However, I can say this: the international relations/defence strategy of major developed nations to operate through stigmatisation of certain ethnic cultures or regions throughout the world, whether Libyan, Iraqi or otherwise is counterproductive to good international relations. If the state leaders of such nations are approachable on the personal level to rational, civil dialogue, it is a foolish, destructive strategy to set out to alienate nations conducting foreign relations no differently than McCoy-Hatfield feuds. In reply to Evan S's comments: Sure, every country has something nasty in its history - the UK is no exception. This does not, however, put us on a level with the US, which has become steadily more and more aggressive since the end of WWII. Would Evan say that the invasion of Vietnam in order to prevent a democratic election taking place was 'protecting the interests of its citizens'? Would he say that the crippling sanctions currently imposed on 75 foreign countries for such heinous crimes against humanity as mislabelling tuna cans was good for their people? Or how about the recent admission that US soldiers buried surrendering Iraqis alive using a bulldozer - surely that was a real coup for human rights (compensation to be paid? Don't hold your breath!). As for the US saving the world - that statement isn't even worth comment.
Richard Grainger, Brighton, UK Evan S. says he's seen too many anti US comments on Talking Point. Well, I actually read people's comments and they are more critical of Western government actions than anti US. If they were British comments, I think he would find they are critical of the British government as well as the US. Please remember that if it the majority of British people were against the bombing of Tripoli, our government would never have let the Americans launch from our country. The only "Anti-US" constructive criticism I have to make is this: If an Iranian Navy ship had shot down a US liner and without even an apology - would the US government believe it was not deliberate? When someone makes a mistake, they apologise. It is reported that America didn't. So what do you think the average Iranian thinks about the matter?
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